Recoil is Broken
Dark Devil
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Recoil should be increasing my attack on specials by 30%, right?
This was consistently the outcome of many sp2 attacks, being increased by right around 3,000 damage between with and without recoil on.
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I'm merely speculating why it could be so low.
So, without Recoil, he has 6x his base attack. With Recoil, he has 6.3x his base attack.
I don't think that's wrong or broken, rather I think this is a misunderstanding of how these things work together. Although, I'd have to look at how Recoil is worded again to be certain.
I just want the game to do what it tells us it’s doing
Wouldn't be shocked if this is also something that is now not working as described as new champions have been added.
If it’s not working to add 30% to attack, and it once was (which it should have been because I don’t recall anyone claiming it malfunctioned this way before), then the question is why it’s now malfunctioning? Put simply, what changed and why?
Dr. Zola
It’s supposed to straight up add 30/45/60% special damage and not even consider attack. People probably didn’t notice because it was another scenario of things stacked on each other and we don’t have full knowledge of how things interact still. If I added recoil, it was always with glass cannon, suicides and other changes and never in a vacuum. Same way people didn’t know the Special Boosts didn’t do anything. Too many unknowns that we assumed worked and they didn’t.
To clarify the way Recoil works, it will increase the damage of special attacks based upon the base attack only. It will apply this attack bonus when the special attack hits and to most damaging effects, such as bleed, triggered when the special attack hits.
Thank you for the feedback about the wording of the description. We've passed it along for consideration.
Thanks
When it was first released it increased damage by the correct %, since 12.0 it has been broken and these change wordings instead of fixing content is beyond old. Treat your customers better already.
Out-dated mechanics / miss-wording, definitely you guys have tons of more things under curtains than we know...
Or just move Recoil further back so we dont have to take 5% damage each time we fire special. Just let us access poison/bleed suicides without going through recoil. That is the best trade-off here
the wording says: "increase the damage of special attack of all champions by 30%" this is very very very very different of "increase the damage of basic attacks of all champions by 30%".
I understand what you say, but the mastery description gives a totally different understanding. And if you think carefully, it makes sense to be an increase of 30% of the special attack, because of the 5% recoil damage is a high trade-off.
Before simply update the description, please consider adjusting the mastery to its description.
the question is: which is the next mastery that will not work as written in the description?
What a bunch of Bull poop. this is getting old with the "oops we miss spoke" when people spend ALOT of time and/or money on units/masteries including recent deals you have offered to promote suicides.. and they don't work the way we thought.
The damage bonus on recoil is not broken. It's always worked the same way of increasing the base damage of specials. If you've ever taken the time to look at how damage masteries / boosts / synergies / etc work you'll find they all work this way. There are some odd interactions here and there but the mechanics haven't changed. Cap IW gets a ton of additional bonus damage on his SP2 which is why the effects of recoil are less noticable compared to someone like Corvus, where 3/3 recoil makes a huge difference.
If I use a special, damage data pops up. It’s very detailed too. If a mastery increases special damage by X, Y or Z, I expect that number to increase by that factor.
It doesn’t matter to me whether something ‘always worked a certain way’. It’s not my responsibility as a buyer, to make a study of it.I simply want to (and have a right to) buy what is advertised.
Now we can go all semantics or legalese on this subject, but we shouldn’t. If something can be worded transparently, it should. If it isn’t, it’s either due to a lack of care or an attempt to mislead customers. I’m hoping the former applies.
Either way, the issue (and it is an issue) should be addressed promptly and with the interest of the buyers at heart. That would be elegant and beneficial to all, including prospective buyers and, ultimately, the seller.
However, given that (e.g.) Inequity also suffers from (cough) a serious case of bad phrasing, and has been for well over a year, while continually being pushed as something to aspire to (see champion intro’s for CAP IW, Void and others) customers’ interests seem to be delegated to a backseat. On a leaky raft. During a hurricane.
...Masacre...Night Thrasher...
If it's not your responsibility to understand how a mechanic in the game works, then you can't blame the game when you find out what you thought in your head was wrong. There are very few 'multiplicative' damage boosters in the game. Most of all damage boosters scale off base attack and add-on from each other from there. Did you think having a green boost + attack boost at the same time multipled the effectiveness of both as well? In this example, if the OP had a 30% attack boost on instead of recoil then the crit damage would be the same. Again, you're only seeing the miniscule difference because Cap IW has a large damage booster already on. If you want to see purely recoil damage in action, compare a 0/3 recoil Corvus with 3/3 recoil (no suicides) and last I checked it works just fine.