War Rewards are so low

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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,392 Guardian
    If the rewards are not worth the effort, don't put in that effort. Focus it elsewhere

    I don't think this completely dismisses all issues with AW rewards, but I do think there's a lot of this in here. Players are supposed to put in a level of effort that is appropriate to the rewards. They cannot put in vastly more effort than the rewards are worth, then complain about the fact that the rewards are not worth the effort.

    Kabam doesn't force us to spend. We force each other to spend by spending more than the war is worth, encouraging our opponents to spend even more to chase those rewards. In fact, spending on alliance war is remarkably close to a paradox in economics known as the dollar auction.

    It goes like this: I will auction off a dollar to the highest bidder. However, at the end of the auction both the highest bidder and the second place bidder must give me their bids: the highest bidder gets the dollar, the second highest bidder gets nothing.

    So someone bids five cents. That's a good deal. Then someone else bids ten cents, because a dollar for ten cents is still a good deal. Now the first bidder thinks to themselves, if the auction ends now I'm out a nickel. So it makes sense for me to outbid the other guy, because I can still get that dollar for less than what it is worth. So he bids fifteen cents. Now the second guy thinks the same thing: he's out ten cents if he stops, so he's strongly incentivized to keep going.

    Now imagine that after many rounds of this the first guy bids 95 cents. He can still get the dollar for less than a dollar. The second guy is about to lose 90 cents, so he bids one dollar. He can at least break even and get out of this game. But now the other guy is about to lose 95 cents and get nothing. He figures it would be better to bid $1.05 because then he is only out five cents rather than 95 cents. And then the other guy bids $1.10 thinking a similar thing, and then the bids just keep going up.

    At this point I'm auctioning off a dollar for more than a dollar, possibly way more than a dollar, because those two guys have stopped trying to win a dollar, and are now trying to not lose to each other. The dollar itself ceases to matter to the need to not lose.

    The reason why we think the rewards aren't worth the effort is that most of us aren't even trying to win the reward. We are trying not to lose to each other. No matter how high the rewards are, or how low they are, we will keep trying to not lose. The rewards will never be enough for the effort, because there's no end to the amount of effort players will spend to not lose to each other.
  • ian5555ian5555 Member Posts: 20
    Shrimkins wrote: »

    You and I agree. I was being facetious using the same logic as the person I quoted to reverse his argument.

    ROFL you didn't reverse my argument at all and most certainly didn't use any sort of logic. All i said was the 6*, 5* shards and the rest of the rewards do not scale downwards in the same way that 2TA and T5B do. Your argument is subjective and has zero basis on the facts.

    It's not debatable that Master's is easily much more difficult than Plat 1,2,3 and of course Gold 1 but are they deserving of 36x a 2TA and 18x a T5B is debatable and a subjective debate at that.
  • ShrimkinsShrimkins Member Posts: 1,479 ★★★★
    ian5555 wrote: »

    ROFL you didn't reverse my argument at all and most certainly didn't use any sort of logic. All i said was the 6*, 5* shards and the rest of the rewards do not scale downwards in the same way that 2TA and T5B do. Your argument is subjective and has zero basis on the facts.

    It's not debatable that Master's is easily much more difficult than Plat 1,2,3 and of course Gold 1 but are they deserving of 27x a 2TA and 18x a T5B is debatable and a subjective debate at that.

    It's not debatable. If you have never played in tier 3 or above then you have no idea what you are talking about.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    I could easily be f2p and run path 5 in gold 1. Can't say the same in higher brackets
  • OmniOmni Member Posts: 574 ★★★
    I run path 5 in t3/4 and node 29 still sucks there. People are still placing rank 5s in 7/10 wars.

    I also ran 5 in t1/2 half of the time. So to say gold 1 is a push over isn’t completely fair I still boost just not as heavy but then again I’m on 29 and boss duty
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    Omni wrote: »
    I run path 5 in t3/4 and node 29 still sucks there. People are still placing rank 5s in 7/10 wars.

    I also ran 5 in t1/2 half of the time. So to say gold 1 is a push over isn’t completely fair I still boost just not as heavy but then again I’m on 29 and boss duty

    I've done both as well. 29 in t4 is easy with a good roster. It's easy to place gold 1 in t4
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