Kabam...AW match making frustrations boiling over

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  • rwhackrwhack Posts: 884 ★★★
    Let’s be clear. GR is only here to argue. He reads posts the same way the devil reads the Bible.
  • GreywardenGreywarden Posts: 449 ★★★

    Whether people want to admit it or not most of the revenue made on this game comes from people at the top. If you’re going with a system that rewards people at the bottom with the beat items in the game solely because they’re the best of the bottom (or middle) then people won’t have a game to play because all of the spenders will either slow down or quit.

    I spend here and there and almost always used to get deals that included the big boosts if it was decent, now is the complete opposite. I just stay away from those deals entirely.

    So you think the system should be allowed to be manipulated and progress frozen just because the Top "pays the bills"? Disagree with that one.
    Now you’re putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever say anything about going back to ratings? I’ll give you time to find it....have you found it? Thought so...

    What I’m saying and HAVE BEEN saying is that this system is only minimally better than the old ratings system however it’s still flawed. What I want is to fix that flaw. What you want to do is squabble with people and try to wordplay with them which is just a waste of time.

    We can give all the sports analogies we want and either agree or disagree but if we’re making prestige the only thing that matters in this game for war and aq then it needs to affect the points achieved as well and not just decide who matches who.

    Unless you somehow turn out to be a Mod this whole time masquerading as a player I’m going to assume you got up to 16k posts by being purposely argumentative.

    I’m also not saying cater to spenders but if you’re giving them no incentive to spend in wars and they all have great rosters which can clear pretty much all content then that’s lost revenue....that’s just simple logic.

    What you're saying is people should get what they want because they're spenders, no matter how detrimental it is. That I disagree with. The shifting that has taken/is taking place is much more damaging than Matches that are more even. Don't care if people agree or not. The system has become a mess because people have shifted and played it. That's caused ripple effects throughout.
    Again, putting words in my mouth. How do you know what I’m trying to say better than myself....you must be really good

    I'm responding to what you yourself have said. They won't have a game because the spenders will quit. One of the most common threats on here. "Better do something because the spenders pay your bills!".
    That’s not a threat, it’s common sense. If people that have been playing this game for years stop spending we don’t have a game to play anymore that’s just logic.

    I agree that ratings based wars messed up the integrity of seasons but it took us 8 seasons to get here and implement a system that doesn’t work much better. I don’t want to wait another 8 seasons for something else to come around. I really like and probably would go as far as say I love this game but normally hard work gets you rewards whereas right now others are getting better rewards for half the work.

    If all you need to hear is “tanking was dumb and ruined wars” then there you have it. Can you now fade away that your life mission of trying to get someone to kinda agree with you on a notion is achieved?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 19,400 ★★★★★
    edited May 27

    Whether people want to admit it or not most of the revenue made on this game comes from people at the top. If you’re going with a system that rewards people at the bottom with the beat items in the game solely because they’re the best of the bottom (or middle) then people won’t have a game to play because all of the spenders will either slow down or quit.

    I spend here and there and almost always used to get deals that included the big boosts if it was decent, now is the complete opposite. I just stay away from those deals entirely.

    So you think the system should be allowed to be manipulated and progress frozen just because the Top "pays the bills"? Disagree with that one.
    Now you’re putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever say anything about going back to ratings? I’ll give you time to find it....have you found it? Thought so...

    What I’m saying and HAVE BEEN saying is that this system is only minimally better than the old ratings system however it’s still flawed. What I want is to fix that flaw. What you want to do is squabble with people and try to wordplay with them which is just a waste of time.

    We can give all the sports analogies we want and either agree or disagree but if we’re making prestige the only thing that matters in this game for war and aq then it needs to affect the points achieved as well and not just decide who matches who.

    Unless you somehow turn out to be a Mod this whole time masquerading as a player I’m going to assume you got up to 16k posts by being purposely argumentative.

    I’m also not saying cater to spenders but if you’re giving them no incentive to spend in wars and they all have great rosters which can clear pretty much all content then that’s lost revenue....that’s just simple logic.

    What you're saying is people should get what they want because they're spenders, no matter how detrimental it is. That I disagree with. The shifting that has taken/is taking place is much more damaging than Matches that are more even. Don't care if people agree or not. The system has become a mess because people have shifted and played it. That's caused ripple effects throughout.
    Again, putting words in my mouth. How do you know what I’m trying to say better than myself....you must be really good

    I'm responding to what you yourself have said. They won't have a game because the spenders will quit. One of the most common threats on here. "Better do something because the spenders pay your bills!".
    That’s not a threat, it’s common sense. If people that have been playing this game for years stop spending we don’t have a game to play anymore that’s just logic.

    I agree that ratings based wars messed up the integrity of seasons but it took us 8 seasons to get here and implement a system that doesn’t work much better. I don’t want to wait another 8 seasons for something else to come around. I really like and probably would go as far as say I love this game but normally hard work gets you rewards whereas right now others are getting better rewards for half the work.

    If all you need to hear is “tanking was dumb and ruined wars” then there you have it. Can you now fade away that your life mission of trying to get someone to kinda agree with you on a notion is achieved?
    The point I'm making is your argument is that these Top Spenders will be unhappy and want to quit, but that's pretty much the demographic that's caused the issues to begin with. People are trying to break through to the next Bracket by manipulating the system, and the effects from that are trickling down. Matchmaking is no longer fair or reliable based on War Rating. So, I don't have much sympathy when it comes to the demo creating the problem. Lol. Perhaps not you personally.
  • GreywardenGreywarden Posts: 449 ★★★

    Whether people want to admit it or not most of the revenue made on this game comes from people at the top. If you’re going with a system that rewards people at the bottom with the beat items in the game solely because they’re the best of the bottom (or middle) then people won’t have a game to play because all of the spenders will either slow down or quit.

    I spend here and there and almost always used to get deals that included the big boosts if it was decent, now is the complete opposite. I just stay away from those deals entirely.

    So you think the system should be allowed to be manipulated and progress frozen just because the Top "pays the bills"? Disagree with that one.
    Now you’re putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever say anything about going back to ratings? I’ll give you time to find it....have you found it? Thought so...

    What I’m saying and HAVE BEEN saying is that this system is only minimally better than the old ratings system however it’s still flawed. What I want is to fix that flaw. What you want to do is squabble with people and try to wordplay with them which is just a waste of time.

    We can give all the sports analogies we want and either agree or disagree but if we’re making prestige the only thing that matters in this game for war and aq then it needs to affect the points achieved as well and not just decide who matches who.

    Unless you somehow turn out to be a Mod this whole time masquerading as a player I’m going to assume you got up to 16k posts by being purposely argumentative.

    I’m also not saying cater to spenders but if you’re giving them no incentive to spend in wars and they all have great rosters which can clear pretty much all content then that’s lost revenue....that’s just simple logic.

    What you're saying is people should get what they want because they're spenders, no matter how detrimental it is. That I disagree with. The shifting that has taken/is taking place is much more damaging than Matches that are more even. Don't care if people agree or not. The system has become a mess because people have shifted and played it. That's caused ripple effects throughout.
    Again, putting words in my mouth. How do you know what I’m trying to say better than myself....you must be really good

    I'm responding to what you yourself have said. They won't have a game because the spenders will quit. One of the most common threats on here. "Better do something because the spenders pay your bills!".
    That’s not a threat, it’s common sense. If people that have been playing this game for years stop spending we don’t have a game to play anymore that’s just logic.

    I agree that ratings based wars messed up the integrity of seasons but it took us 8 seasons to get here and implement a system that doesn’t work much better. I don’t want to wait another 8 seasons for something else to come around. I really like and probably would go as far as say I love this game but normally hard work gets you rewards whereas right now others are getting better rewards for half the work.

    If all you need to hear is “tanking was dumb and ruined wars” then there you have it. Can you now fade away that your life mission of trying to get someone to kinda agree with you on a notion is achieved?
    The point I'm making is your argument is that these Top Spenders will be unhappy and want to quit, but that's pretty much the demographic that's cause the issues to begin with. People are trying to break through to the next Bracket by manipulating the system, and the effects from that are trickling down. Matchmaking is no longer fair or reliable based on War Rating. So, I don't have much sympathy when it comes to the demo creating the problem. Lol. Perhaps not you personally.
    Right but just sitting in a corner saying “serves you right” doesn’t really add anything to a conversation nor does it help anybody come to a solution. Realistically all that is really just distracting and keeps people forgetting the real issue at hand.

    We’re 9 seasons into war....9......and we STILL don’t have something that works.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 19,400 ★★★★★
    edited May 27
    It works a great deal better than the mess it was, whether people like it or not. Is it perfect? No. It's damage control from what others have made the system into. I'm for something better, always. I'm just not advocating letting more of the problem happen.
  • rwhackrwhack Posts: 884 ★★★
    Drooped2 said:

    If allaince tanks ban all players in allaince from war for 30 days. Boom tanking solved.
    Make it by reports and kabam looks to see if they agree its tanking or not.

    Ie no attack
    Weak 2 stat defenses
    Clear intentional deaths.
    (I seen a war in plat 1 where an allaince doed 144 times) cause both were tanking (disconnecting on every node 3 times against 2 stars)

    Why ban for tanking? Tanking is caused by matchmaking system. That’s so out of touch. Kabam created a poor system. Players found a work around. Tell me what problems tanking created for you? How the heck do you see intentional deaths? LMAO. Do you watch sports? Systems create tanking not teams.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 19,400 ★★★★★
    Drooped2 said:

    It works a great deal better than the mess it was, whether people like it or not. Is it perfect? No. It's damage control from what others have made the system into. I'm for something better, always. I'm just not advocating letting more of the problem happen.

    Again this isnt better. War rating even with tanking was better then this. Prestige wars juat killed my allaince end of season.
    War rating and tanking these guys have been an ally since season4
    The system is better, sorry to say. There's a larger picture going on here, and having the whole system broken is not better than being Matched within similar Prestige.
    You're from Master/Plat playing in Gold. Lol. You think that's fair for people trying to get ahead down there?
  • SquishyjrThe_4THSquishyjrThe_4TH Posts: 2,680 ★★★★
    Markjv81 said:

    That depends on what you define as chill. Having a reasonable range to Match with is pretty much as it should be. If you're calling chill Wars just taking out weaker people because it's easier, then I'm going to have to say sorry about chill. Lol.

    I don’t usually agree with you but u, but this seems like the best solution. If we use a prestige based rating system to determine AQ map difficulty, I see no problem with matching similar prestige alliances. This also gets rid of alliances that heavily sandbag
    This has been covered, you’re then forcing alliances who rank champs for prestige in AQ to compete at the same level in AW which is ridiculous. Plus prestige doesn’t determine strength of an alliance seeing as it only incorporates top 5 champions meaning in that scenario every player that has 5 r5’s is equal to players that potentially have 10+ r5’s.
    Seems like you’ve been ignoring the occurring problems in AW seasons, since the matchmaking is based on the value of an alliances over all PI then we allow for heavy sandbagging.
  • SquishyjrThe_4THSquishyjrThe_4TH Posts: 2,680 ★★★★

    It does measure the strength of the Alliance because they're using their uppermost Roster. Not the middle of what they have. In War, an Alliance is only as strong as the best they can put up. Numerically, that's a fact.


    Yeah prestige is a double edge sword since it’s good in ignoring the fluff of many players profile, but it does offer the issue of low prestige champs influencing the matching. But naturally people will upgrade champs who are most beneficial anyways
  • Batman05Batman05 Posts: 293

    Drooped2 said:

    It works a great deal better than the mess it was, whether people like it or not. Is it perfect? No. It's damage control from what others have made the system into. I'm for something better, always. I'm just not advocating letting more of the problem happen.

    Again this isnt better. War rating even with tanking was better then this. Prestige wars juat killed my allaince end of season.
    War rating and tanking these guys have been an ally since season4
    The system is better, sorry to say. There's a larger picture going on here, and having the whole system broken is not better than being Matched within similar Prestige.
    You're from Master/Plat playing in Gold. Lol. You think that's fair for people trying to get ahead down there?
    I moved from plat 1 to gold one now and it is fair that my alliance match gold one alliances yes. We are only putting gold one amount of effort into wars so that’s who we should pair against. If we were stuck in masters fighting master alliances then we’d have to fight harder and require more effort to be there. That’s not where we want to be now so we stay in gold or plat 3. You can’t force alliances to either lose every war or spend. That’s why they made war ratings. And no moving down to gold one by choice during the season isn’t tanking. Tanking is done during the off season to lower your rating for the new upcoming season. People don’t tank during the season.
  • Speeds80Speeds80 Posts: 1,160 ★★★
    edited May 27

    My friends semi retirement alliance, they run 2 bgs except last week of season, to to see if they can hit gold 1. Last day of war season, insult to injury if they lose (which is highly likely) they lose 1 point in alliance rating. Making the next matchup just as likely to be this stupid
  • Markjv81Markjv81 Posts: 408 ★★★
    edited May 27
    Speeds80 said:


    My friends semi retirement alliance, they run 2 bgs except last week of season, to to see if they can hit gold 1. Last day of war season, insult to injury if they lose (which is highly likely) they lose 1 point in alliance rating. Making the next matchup just as likely to be this stupid

    There’s always going to be anomalies in less than 3bg wars because the pool is significantly smaller. This is not a true representation of the system in my opinion.
  • Speeds80Speeds80 Posts: 1,160 ★★★
    @Drooped2 it can't actually be that high, most of them only have 2 or 3 r5 5*s,
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Posts: 4,716 ★★★★★
    Markjv81 said:

    Speeds80 said:


    My friends semi retirement alliance, they run 2 bgs except last week of season, to to see if they can hit gold 1. Last day of war season, insult to injury if they lose (which is highly likely) they lose 1 point in alliance rating. Making the next matchup just as likely to be this stupid

    There’s always going to be anomalies in less than 3bg wars because the pool is significantly smaller. This is not a true representation of the system in my opinion.
    That's a 3 BG war...
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Posts: 2,327 ★★★★

    Markjv81 said:

    Speeds80 said:


    My friends semi retirement alliance, they run 2 bgs except last week of season, to to see if they can hit gold 1. Last day of war season, insult to injury if they lose (which is highly likely) they lose 1 point in alliance rating. Making the next matchup just as likely to be this stupid

    There’s always going to be anomalies in less than 3bg wars because the pool is significantly smaller. This is not a true representation of the system in my opinion.
    That's a 3 BG war...
    Time to visit the ophthalmologist, clearly says 2 battle groups.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 19,400 ★★★★★
    edited May 27
    Drooped2 said:

    Drooped2 said:

    It works a great deal better than the mess it was, whether people like it or not. Is it perfect? No. It's damage control from what others have made the system into. I'm for something better, always. I'm just not advocating letting more of the problem happen.

    Again this isnt better. War rating even with tanking was better then this. Prestige wars juat killed my allaince end of season.
    War rating and tanking these guys have been an ally since season4
    The system is better, sorry to say. There's a larger picture going on here, and having the whole system broken is not better than being Matched within similar Prestige.
    You're from Master/Plat playing in Gold. Lol. You think that's fair for people trying to get ahead down there?
    You think it's fair that were playing master and plat allainces so we can get gold 1 rewards? Lol

    This system is far worse then tanking imo.
    Tanking effected a much smaller amount of wars then this.

    But hey I guess screwing over more people is fair.

    I suggested how to end tanking numerous times. Make war rating like xnigs and ban players from war for 30 days if they tank.

    You wont see tanking in seasons ever again
    Your solution is to wave the Ban Hammer at everyone Tanking. That doesn't stop it from happening, it just cuts the number of people playing by about 30 each time.
    It's not screwing over more people. It's adjusting the system where people have taken it upon themselves to play the Matchmaking like a flute.
    The point I was making about your position is regardless of the Rewards you're getting, you're someone with a Master/Plat Roster and Master/Plat experience playing at a level much lower than you. That's not fair to anyone. It's Tanking Light. Lol.
    That's the problem with the system now. It's not a reflection of skill and progress. It's run amok. All these excuses. Tanking, Shells, "taking a break", all of it results in people much more advanced than the people they're playing, coming up against others playing to the best of their ability. It's wrecking the system.
    Playing people within your own Bracket hasn't even been taking place as much as people are complaining for. Dip low, beat the lower guys, a few Matches on your level, lather, rinse, repeat. The Top never touches each other, and the bottom is stuck in limbo because people are playing the system. I'm not sure what system people were looking at that they thought was better, but this wasn't it.
  • LainuaLainua Posts: 660 ★★★
    edited May 27
    The entire thread was poisoned by one idiot kid. And nothing we can do to stop that stupidity. Einstein was right. Human stupidity knows no bounds.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 19,400 ★★★★★
    Lainua said:

    The entire thread was poisoned by one idiot kid. And nothing we can do to stop that stupidity. Einstein was right. Human stupidity knows no bounds.

    I am not a kid, nor am I an idiot. Thanks for the contribution.
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 1,078 ★★★
    1 person (A) has played several seasons in tier 1 wars.
    Another person (B) simply makes assumptions based on their personal experience much, much lower down.

    Who knows more about the prestige based matchmaking system that’s messing up high tier war rankings?
  • Mr_PlatypusMr_Platypus Posts: 1,078 ★★★
    Honestly don’t know why y’all arguing with him over high tier wars. It’s common knowledge that he’s not at the super high levels (which is fine, I’m not either)
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