Lol. The Sinister boss has been nerfed. End game players have tested it and it can be done pretty easily.
It’s end game content so if you can’t do it yet, guess the implication.
That’s right. You’re not end game yet. Take some time to build your rosters before attempting it again. You don’t NEED to complete it on Day 1.
(Love the tears of those who don’t understand this simple logic though. 😂)
Also to note 2 revives a day in events so the people saying it took 8 ish doesnt seem like bad to me since they are so easy to pile atm
What makes me not end game ready? 100% all existing content? 12 6* and 70 5*? 8 R5 5*? 14 R4 5*? Do I need that 9th R5 to be ready.
14 revives for me using Hyperion. Instant death as soon as sinister used a special attack. OG Ultron just didn’t do enough damage and died to shock very quickly. Ghost did Ok. Aegon did not do too well.
Hyperion is the wrong champ for that fight. Which is why it took so many revives. The last champ anyone should use is one that procs a ton of buffs. Hence, using Rulk/sentinel. If the directions say flat head screwdriver, don’t go get a Phillips. 😂
And yet he's one of the very, very few champions who can actually get through it without the heimdall and hela/Angela synergy.
It says compensation for those who "completed", should that read as "attempted"? I got to sinister, dropped items, then realized he was bugged and quit.
We are still determining how we're going to act on Compensation. Our first priority is getting these Bug Fixes and Changes out.
If you think it can be done pretty easily without heimdall and hela/Angela synergy post a vid of the fight. Don’t come here with that end game nonsense it just proves you haven’t actually fought him.
Lol. I already fought the much harder version of him 2 months back.
If you can name me 2 champs (even with synergies) that can take him down should Caustic Temper be replaced with Buffed Up, I’m all ears.
(Gonna add that Caustic Temper was my suggestion 😬)
What i dont understand is why people feel the need to rush content on day 1. Its permanent and will still be there when you do aquire what you need to beat it easily without much resources. Just because others can do it immediately doesnt mean everyone can or should. Give it time. Its not going anywhere.
no one is disputing this, but when it's so niche that you're limited to 3 champions on their own, or a very specific synergy team with one of about 10 champions, it may be several months to even a year before some players are able to get past it, even if they have expansive high ranked rosters already.
Does how many times you tried and/or beat him matter? I backed out after realizing he was unbeatable with my team before completing the chapter. I also tried another path but the 3% killed all my champs on the Skill path so I backed out again.
So.... I've got 80+ 5* champs, 11 6*s, I'm 100% LoL, both variants,.... everything except act 6. I have 7 r5 5*s with resources for an 8th, and a respectable stack of r4s. I have no Vision because i stopped spending ridiculous amounts of money for things you plan to nerf without warning (remember 12.0?), and i do not have 5+* Heimdall. So the general consensus of this thread is that I'm just not ready to do the second map of this chapter? .... because I'm missing one crucial synergy?
There's nothing fun and interactive about these credit card nodes. To tell somebody that's finished everything up to this point that they're not ready is just insulting. I've competed tons of content by just throwing money at it, and i for one will not be doing that again. You guys over there at Kabam are just shady AF. But in all honesty, with these whales just constantly throwing money into cavalier crystals every month, nothing's gonna change. Kabam will just continue to milk those that have way too much $$$ to dump into a mobile video game. As long as bills are paid and profits are up, they have us all by the balls.
Getting good isn't gonna cut it, folks. Either pray RNG blesses you with the specific synergy counter, or break out those wallets. These guys don't care about you unless you're giving them a few thousand every month. Fact.
So after all this bickering have we found any viable option no one has thought of? The chap arguing the most still hasn’t proven a point. He used 8 revives to take down a boss. I got to sinister with ease. Barely broke a sweat, then broke everything else at sinister (I didn’t revive after he healed 10 times more than damage I dealt).
It’s ok to use resources nothing wrong with that, but having to spend 2000-3000 units to 100% 1/6th of a chapter isn’t what anyone is looking for.
Also having to rely on 2 champs with how horrible RNG is, is also asking for a lot. Prime example, I just pulled starlord 3 months ago as a 5 star, and I’ve been playing since January 2016. And I started playing when there were 18 5 star champs? Now they are over 90 in the pool. The chances went from 5.5% per champ to 1% to pull the champ you DESPERATELY need.
You know what? Don't use revives. Don't finish content. I could care less. Put those revives in your will while you're at it
Jesus man take a break...Some people take pride in clearing hard content with low item use. Other people don’t care and throw revives at it. You’re getting worked up because the people that don’t, think this is a cheap fight. Let them state thier opinion
Actually I don't even have a 4 star heimdall or hela. I still beat sinister. Looks like you haven't fought him yourself
Then do you mind sharing who did you use?
Captain marvel. A sufficiently ranked and boosted one might be able to get him down in 2 or 3 revives. Took me 8 because mine is only rank 4 and unduped
Too much back and forth but let me comment here cause this is exactly the point. 8 revives, maybe you shave it down to 6 on average times 10 paths is 60 revives times 40 units is 2400 units. If you are like me getting to sinister is itemless so 2400 units to just beat the boss in the second level because of poor node combination
KT1 got through half the boss with a maxed unboosted cap in one go. I think it's safe to say that it will take no more than 2 revives per run with a r5 boosted to the moon. I'm happy 🤷♂️
Restarted many times, finally just boosted and used R4 Hyperion and 5 or 6 revives to knock him down. Parry, heavy, until sp3. Took an easy path and had no issue getting to him.
Super annoying fight, it's a completely bugged fight and total garbage. Looked at 6.2.3 and it doesn't look better. The health of all the champs is like 350k. Ugh
So after all this bickering have we found any viable option no one has thought of? The chap arguing the most still hasn’t proven a point. He used 8 revives to take down a boss. I got to sinister with ease. Barely broke a sweat, then broke everything else at sinister (I didn’t revive after he healed 10 times more than damage I dealt).
It’s ok to use resources nothing wrong with that, but having to spend 2000-3000 units to 100% 1/6th of a chapter isn’t what anyone is looking for.
Also having to rely on 2 champs with how horrible RNG is, is also asking for a lot. Prime example, I just pulled starlord 3 months ago as a 5 star, and I’ve been playing since January 2016. And I started playing when there were 18 5 star champs? Now they are over 90 in the pool. The chances went from 5.5% per champ to 1% to pull the champ you DESPERATELY need.
You know what? Don't use revives. Don't finish content. I could care less. Put those revives in your will while you're at it
Jesus man take a break...Some people take pride in clearing hard content with low item use. Other people don’t care and throw revives at it. You’re getting worked up because the people that don’t, think this is a cheap fight. Let them state thier opinion
Actually I don't even have a 4 star heimdall or hela. I still beat sinister. Looks like you haven't fought him yourself
Then do you mind sharing who did you use?
Captain marvel. A sufficiently ranked and boosted one might be able to get him down in 2 or 3 revives. Took me 8 because mine is only rank 4 and unduped
Too much back and forth but let me comment here cause this is exactly the point. 8 revives, maybe you shave it down to 6 on average times 10 paths is 60 revives times 40 units is 2400 units. If you are like me getting to sinister is itemless so 2400 units to just beat the boss in the second level because of poor node combination
KT1 got through half the boss with a maxed unboosted cap in one go. I think it's safe to say that it will take no more than 2 revives per run with a r5 boosted to the moon. I'm happy 🤷♂️
Took me 1 revive with r5 captiw for sinister. Took the path that suits hela (switch health) Whole path takes like 3 mins with her
CapIW needs the synergy though right? That's still really solid. Did you take a champion for the petrify or the armor break? Curious if you prioritised heal mitigation or extra damage
Kabam, you still looking into this? Honestly, this fight is straight BS. Another case of Kabam failing to test content prior to its release. Let’s look at this fight closely. You need...
● A Shock Immune Champion to bypass the Shock (Gulk & Power Control Champs work too) ● A Poison Immune Champion to bypass the Poison ● A Heal Block Champion to control the Regeneration ● A Champion with Fury to bypass the Damage Reduction ● Must be a 5-Star or 6-Star (Act 6 Requirements)
The only hard counter I can think of is Gulk with Heimdall, also needing Angela or Hella for the synergy (all as 5-stars or 6-stars, might I add). There is no way on earth a Kabam Employee could play through this fight & be like... ”This is awesome! A great, skill based & interactive fight that players will love!” Doesn’t make sense.
The only thing we're looking into is the Caustic Temper node. The rest of it is functioning as designed. This is not going to be an easy fight, and it's not meant to be. There are quite a few different Champions and Champion combinations that will work, but this is going to test the depth of your roster and your RPG Knowledge.
Which “quite a few” champions or champion combinations can solo this fight? If you don’t have a 5* heimdall and hela/Angela for the fury synergy it is impossible to get through him without revives. Most people don’t have a 5-6* heimdall and some may never get him. There aren’t any other options.
Let's remember that this content just came out today. Over the coming days, weeks, and months, there will lots of new strategies that arise. Give it time, take your time, and wait until you are ready.
You mean new champs that Kabam will release that will be good counters? Those same champs which we will need as 5* or 6* and therefore have to spend significant amounts to obtain?
The fact is that the player base already knows the number of existing counters to this fight, and they are limited. The only champ who can come close to doing this fight solo is Cap Marvel (Movie). Everyone else is burn revives and continue, like hyperion, or depend on the heimdall synergy for a fury buff.
In other words, you are limiting effective counters to people who have (1) Cap Marvel Movie or (2) Heimdall as 5* or 6*s.
Whatever happened to wanting people to use the full breadth of the roster? You created fights that present choke points for progress based on whether you get lucky with the RNG to pull that one specific champ you need (in my case, a 5* heimdall).
the only purpose to the restriction is to force spending. they will not lift it, there is a far better chance they adjust the nodes
No. The purpose of restrictions is to funnel the demographic getting through to those who have a breadth of progress that is appropriate for the Resources earned.
So I guess you didn't read what I just wrote🤣 what counts as "breadth of progress"?
Ok then. Let me rephrase. Far enough along. Lol.
No, I understood it, but I'm really interested what progress counts for you as far enough?
Well, it's not what I feel is enough personally. It is more likely as upper crust as possible. The game itself will shift when they're introduced into the system, in a number of ways. Releasing them at a level too low will seriously affect the balance.
Man, you see, you still didn't answer my question. I'm interested in YOUR opinion, what YOU think when, after what content is it okay for a player to start act6.
When it's okay to start it is not really the point I was making. I was making the point that there are progress gates presumably so that they separate levels of progress, and control the distribution of Rewards more safely. That is my theory. If you wanted my opinion on when it's okay to start it, I'd have to say it's okay to start it whenever you get to it, if you choose. You may have to wait until you have what you need. I don't really see the harm in people making an effort whenever they want. In this particular case, you need to meet the requirements. What I would suggest is doing more research and being more prepared so as to minimize the amount of Resources it will take you, but I don't believe in saying when people should and shouldn't start something. You can start it whenever you want. Unfortunately, you can't start it WITH whatever you want.
If you wanted a more direct response, I don't want people getting ahold of R3 6*s unless they're at the very top because if they go to lower demos first, that'll probably break the balance of a number of systems. TL:DR - I agree with my theory. Lol.
the only purpose to the restriction is to force spending. they will not lift it, there is a far better chance they adjust the nodes
No. The purpose of restrictions is to funnel the demographic getting through to those who have a breadth of progress that is appropriate for the Resources earned.
So I guess you didn't read what I just wrote🤣 what counts as "breadth of progress"?
Ok then. Let me rephrase. Far enough along. Lol.
No, I understood it, but I'm really interested what progress counts for you as far enough?
Well, it's not what I feel is enough personally. It is more likely as upper crust as possible. The game itself will shift when they're introduced into the system, in a number of ways. Releasing them at a level too low will seriously affect the balance.
Man, you see, you still didn't answer my question. I'm interested in YOUR opinion, what YOU think when, after what content is it okay for a player to start act6.
When it's okay to start it is not really the point I was making. I was making the point . What I would suggest is doing more research and being more prepared so as to minimize the amount of Resources it will take you, but I don't believe in saying when people should and shouldn't start something. You can start it whenever you want. Unfortunately, you can't start it WITH whatever you want.
..., you can't start it WITH whatever you want, THEREFORE I can't start whenever I want. Since you need 5 specific champs to defeat sinister: 1. Heimdall 2. Fury synergy for heimdall 3. Medusa 4. Hyperion 5. Hulk If you don't have these, you are basically screwed. Even the mods acknowledged it " to borrow the Heimdall/Angela synergy..." That's 5 heroes out of more than a 100. And I'm back at my first comment, where I said that for 4 years I couldn't pull a certain 4* champion. Not 5*, 4*: that's available from PHC, ultimate, grandmaster, cavalier, various character specific crystals and ofc, the 4* crystal. During 4 years that's like a gazillion crystals. What if I have the champs to 100% labyrinth, 100% variant 1 (variant 2 is already done), and finish exploring 6.1, but after that, I still won't have THAT 5 champs to do 6.2.2. I still won't be qualified, because RNG is having fun with me?
Yes. You're going to need a very specific Ability set. That's pretty much the same in a great deal of content. There's not just one option, but they are limited by Ability and Rarity. It's Act 6, and it's supposed to be that way. The game is also built around RNG, so it happens that people won't have what they need. You're not going to be able to go into it with whatever you want and do it. That's kind of the point.
Yes. You're going to need a very specific Ability set. That's pretty much the same in a great deal of content. There's not just one option, but they are limited by Ability and Rarity. It's Act 6, and it's supposed to be that way. The game is also built around RNG, so it happens that people won't have what they need. You're not going to be able to go into it with whatever you want and do it. That's kind of the point.
It’s not limited by ability. Only by rarity. Cavalier is kinda limited by ability. Are you cavalier?
So after all this bickering have we found any viable option no one has thought of? The chap arguing the most still hasn’t proven a point. He used 8 revives to take down a boss. I got to sinister with ease. Barely broke a sweat, then broke everything else at sinister (I didn’t revive after he healed 10 times more than damage I dealt).
It’s ok to use resources nothing wrong with that, but having to spend 2000-3000 units to 100% 1/6th of a chapter isn’t what anyone is looking for.
Also having to rely on 2 champs with how horrible RNG is, is also asking for a lot. Prime example, I just pulled starlord 3 months ago as a 5 star, and I’ve been playing since January 2016. And I started playing when there were 18 5 star champs? Now they are over 90 in the pool. The chances went from 5.5% per champ to 1% to pull the champ you DESPERATELY need.
You know what? Don't use revives. Don't finish content. I could care less. Put those revives in your will while you're at it
Jesus man take a break...Some people take pride in clearing hard content with low item use. Other people don’t care and throw revives at it. You’re getting worked up because the people that don’t, think this is a cheap fight. Let them state thier opinion
Actually I don't even have a 4 star heimdall or hela. I still beat sinister. Looks like you haven't fought him yourself
Then do you mind sharing who did you use?
Captain marvel. A sufficiently ranked and boosted one might be able to get him down in 2 or 3 revives. Took me 8 because mine is only rank 4 and unduped
Too much back and forth but let me comment here cause this is exactly the point. 8 revives, maybe you shave it down to 6 on average times 10 paths is 60 revives times 40 units is 2400 units. If you are like me getting to sinister is itemless so 2400 units to just beat the boss in the second level because of poor node combination
KT1 got through half the boss with a maxed unboosted cap in one go. I think it's safe to say that it will take no more than 2 revives per run with a r5 boosted to the moon. I'm happy 🤷♂️
Took me 1 revive with r5 captiw for sinister. Took the path that suits hela (switch health) Whole path takes like 3 mins with her
CapIW needs the synergy though right? That's still really solid. Did you take a champion for the petrify or the armor break? Curious if you prioritised heal mitigation or extra damage
Ran hela,heimdal (fury synergy) captiw Rocket raccoon and thir rags 6 stars(open the path with 6s) shrug debuffs with a skill champ and rocket gave the petrifies. Hela did the path Capt did the boss Other 3 just for synergy and gate
Nice. Getting armor breaks might increase your damage too much leaving you vulnerable to the incinerate too
If you're just going to keep typing insults and calling me a Troll, I'm not going to bother trying to have a discussion with you. I'm here. I'm discussing it. Sorry if you don't like that, but not sorry.
Your not discussing it. Your saying it’s fine. It’s perfect! Move on. Health of the game! Others have differing opinion and you never change yours so what are you still doing here?
Didn't say it was perfect. They've addressed a number of issues. Is it fine that it's that challenging and narrow? You betcha. It's supposed to be. People have resisted this Act every step of the way. 4*s, Class Requirements, 6* Requirements... I still respect their right to voice their views. Which is not something you're willing to reciprocate. I don't have to agree to be here.
It's also going to be around indefinitely, so there's all the time in the world (by world I mean duration of the game) to get what we need.
Yeah, for sure, but it also have the possibility of not getting those certain counters by the end of the game's lifetime, which means I'm stuck forever.
I'm fine with it, only if Kabam will state that act6 is IN FACT RNG, and not skill based, and money grab, since the only way to increase you chances of getting those counters is if you are willing to spend money on crystals. WHICH still doesn't guarantees that you will get what you need.
It's also going to be around indefinitely, so there's all the time in the world (by world I mean duration of the game) to get what we need.
Yeah, for sure, but it also have the possibility of not getting those certain counters by the end of the game's lifetime, which means I'm stuck forever.
I'm fine with it, only if Kabam will state that act6 is IN FACT RNG, and not skill based, and money grab, since the only way to increase you chances of getting those counters is if you are willing to spend money on crystals. WHICH still doesn't guarantees that you will get what you need.
Money isn't the only way you get Crystals. You can just as easily pull exactly what you need either way. It's the wait people don't like, but everyone has to go through that. We all have to wait on something to advance now and then. You're speaking in finite terms, as if you won't be playing and growing while you're waiting to roll what you need. The game continues either way if we don't have a counter yet. The whole point of having newer and harder content is so that people never reach the point where they've graduated the game. End-Game isn't literally the end of the game. It's the upper-most crust of content, and that doesn't exempt people from having to wait or grow further. It's not just RNG-based. It might be if you're unlucky enough not to have counters, but that's not a design flaw. That's just how things have worked out.
It's also going to be around indefinitely, so there's all the time in the world (by world I mean duration of the game) to get what we need.
Yeah, for sure, but it also have the possibility of not getting those certain counters by the end of the game's lifetime, which means I'm stuck forever.
I'm fine with it, only if Kabam will state that act6 is IN FACT RNG, and not skill based, and money grab, since the only way to increase you chances of getting those counters is if you are willing to spend money on crystals. WHICH still doesn't guarantees that you will get what you need.
Money isn't the only way you get Crystals. You can just as easily pull exactly what you need either way. It's the wait people don't like, but everyone has to go through that. We all have to wait on something to advance now and then. You're speaking in finite terms, as if you won't be playing and growing while you're waiting to roll what you need. The game continues either way if we don't have a counter yet. The whole point of having newer and harder content is so that people never reach the point where they've graduated the game. End-Game isn't literally the end of the game. It's the upper-most crust of content, and that doesn't exempt people from having to wait or grow further. It's not just RNG-based. It might be if you're unlucky enough not to have counters, but that's not a design flaw. That's just how things have worked out.
It could be a design flaw. There’s literally no gate that resembles this one anywhere in the game. The bar is higher for the boss of the chapter. No where in the game do we need two champs synergy to qualify the third to attack the boss. 3/5ths of a team.
Is there one other example of this in the game? The Champion boss had more options. 🤷♂️ I don’t understand how this is clearly a black and white issue...
That Synergy is only one workable strategy. It's been out what, a few days? We haven't even seen the Fight post-fix.
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There's nothing fun and interactive about these credit card nodes. To tell somebody that's finished everything up to this point that they're not ready is just insulting. I've competed tons of content by just throwing money at it, and i for one will not be doing that again. You guys over there at Kabam are just shady AF. But in all honesty, with these whales just constantly throwing money into cavalier crystals every month, nothing's gonna change. Kabam will just continue to milk those that have way too much $$$ to dump into a mobile video game. As long as bills are paid and profits are up, they have us all by the balls.
Getting good isn't gonna cut it, folks. Either pray RNG blesses you with the specific synergy counter, or break out those wallets. These guys don't care about you unless you're giving them a few thousand every month. Fact.
The fact is that the player base already knows the number of existing counters to this fight, and they are limited. The only champ who can come close to doing this fight solo is Cap Marvel (Movie). Everyone else is burn revives and continue, like hyperion, or depend on the heimdall synergy for a fury buff.
In other words, you are limiting effective counters to people who have (1) Cap Marvel Movie or (2) Heimdall as 5* or 6*s.
Whatever happened to wanting people to use the full breadth of the roster? You created fights that present choke points for progress based on whether you get lucky with the RNG to pull that one specific champ you need (in my case, a 5* heimdall).
If you wanted my opinion on when it's okay to start it, I'd have to say it's okay to start it whenever you get to it, if you choose. You may have to wait until you have what you need. I don't really see the harm in people making an effort whenever they want. In this particular case, you need to meet the requirements. What I would suggest is doing more research and being more prepared so as to minimize the amount of Resources it will take you, but I don't believe in saying when people should and shouldn't start something. You can start it whenever you want. Unfortunately, you can't start it WITH whatever you want.
..., you can't start it WITH whatever you want, THEREFORE I can't start whenever I want. Since you need 5 specific champs to defeat sinister: 1. Heimdall 2. Fury synergy for heimdall 3. Medusa 4. Hyperion 5. Hulk
If you don't have these, you are basically screwed. Even the mods acknowledged it " to borrow the Heimdall/Angela synergy..."
That's 5 heroes out of more than a 100.
And I'm back at my first comment, where I said that for 4 years I couldn't pull a certain 4* champion. Not 5*, 4*: that's available from PHC, ultimate, grandmaster, cavalier, various character specific crystals and ofc, the 4* crystal. During 4 years that's like a gazillion crystals. What if I have the champs to 100% labyrinth, 100% variant 1 (variant 2 is already done), and finish exploring 6.1, but after that, I still won't have THAT 5 champs to do 6.2.2. I still won't be qualified, because RNG is having fun with me?
I still respect their right to voice their views. Which is not something you're willing to reciprocate. I don't have to agree to be here.
I'm fine with it, only if Kabam will state that act6 is IN FACT RNG, and not skill based, and money grab, since the only way to increase you chances of getting those counters is if you are willing to spend money on crystals. WHICH still doesn't guarantees that you will get what you need.