Brian Grant leaving his alliance take

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  • The_Flying_Jew82The_Flying_Jew82 Member Posts: 76 ★★

    I have been subscribed to his channel for years. Him and seatin were the two that kept me excited. As much as I hate to say this, he is overreacting imo. He is f2p and is angry he can't keep up with top
    going. I am f2p, I have 30k+ units, 50+million gold, and I strong enough roster to complete 7.3. I understand that if I don't spend I can't keep up with spenders (money talks). There is no content that requires any 6*r4, you can easily grind the arena and save your bc till the
    gifting event and pop 100 ggc for free. In the end I hope he keeps playing, but if someone isn't happy playing a game, they should find something else to do. I wish BG nothing but the best in his future alliance and video's, I will stay subscribed to him till the end.

    You're free to play with 30k+ units?

    My only issue with progression right now is how much of an advantage spenders get to ranking up a 6* to R4. I don't care if spenders get some advantage, in fact I feel very strongly that they do get an advantage, it would be silly otherwise. But it's the level of boost that spenders get at the moment to getting the next rank progression level (I.e. the first time you can R4 a 6*, or the first time we could R5 a 5*) I think the best way to highlight this is by looking back to Act 5.

    Before the end of act 5 nobody could get a rank 5 5*, I don't think even spenders could. All of the videos on youtube about their first rank 5 5* are after 5.4 dropped.

    https://youtu.be/X8CdfiY_wos

    Here is the first one I found, Brutal DLX's sparky who was one of the biggest whales in the game, and even he couldn't get a rank 5 before Act 5.4 dropped.

    Act 5.4 dropped December 2017 and by September 2018 we were getting offers like this

    https://youtu.be/TpZ7rIQhJv8

    9k basic for $99. That's 10% of a rank up. But act 5 100% got us 2 whole catalysts for our first rank up of the next progression level, which is the entire rank up. So even after 5.4 dropped, whales still could spend to get their advantage.

    So you compare 4 years ago, where the first time we could get a rank up to the next level by playing the game and completing content. And later, the whales could pay to get their advantage. And then you look at today, where Whales can spend to get 4 or more R4 champions before the gifting rank rewards give them more and the only way to even get close to getting your first R4 without spending, you need to save up 15k units for July 4th, 15k units for Cyber Monday and then 3.5k units for both of 7.2 and 7.3 offers. That is 37k units total, to get that you'd need to grind an insane amount of arena over the year. That is the only way you can get close to a R4 without spending. And to be honest, in some way that's not even playing the game. As in, it's not completing content, it's just grinding arena.

    The option to grind content to get your first R4 is just not there, maybe 7.4 and act 7 exploration will make it entirely possible to get your first R4 without having spent or grinded out for unit offers, but I doubt it. I feel like it will allow those who have picked up a unit offer here or there to get their first R4, but those who simply play the game without saving up units for a few months won't be able to get there.

    I just feel like it's not a great feeling to know that the only way you can push for the next progression rank up is to hoard units all year round and buy some offers. Like, what challenge is that for a very skill intensive game? The way to push your account isn't to take on some hardcore gameplay, or complete some challenge, it's to hold onto your units as long as you can and buy it. That's why I bring up act 5 exploration, you didn't need to grin 37k units, you just needed to play the game.

    Yes, give the whales an advantage, I'm not even saying we should all be able to get a R4 6* the same time, like we could with R4 5*. All I'm pointing out is that there is a stark contrast with how the next progression is presented in the game between now and 4 years ago, one that shows the change in the level of monetisation.

    I just feel that by now, Act 7 rewards, Carina Challenges and SoP should have all added up so that you didn't need any external offers to rank 4 a 6*. But along the way, whales would have had the opportunity to buy any offer they wanted to boost their progress faster than FTP, and get the inherent advantage that spending does, and should, provide.

    If we were coming into the gifting event, where it was possible for a FTP player to have gotten a rank 4 by completing content, but the whales all already had 1 or 2 based on spending and then they could get some more from gifting, I would feel a lot better about it. I don't think it's game breaking, I don't think it's disgusting or any other strong reaction. I just feel like having the next progression rank put behind a paywall of this nature is a bit much, when FTP players literally cannot get a Rank 4 without grinding units all year long, and even if they do grind 37k units, BG showed that they were still 800 fragments off without being in a super hardcore alliance.

    I like Brian's youtube content, and him in general.

    I just want to add to the conversation of even if you add up all the t3a, free to play players are short t3a to r4 a 6* champ.

    Act 7.2 and 7.3 offer was 4500 t3a each for 3500 units, so 9000 t3a for 7k units total.

    spring cleaning (9000 t3a for 337500 dubloons (impossible for free to play to purchase, or 182250 dubloons for $50, 40500 dubloons for $100 ),

    4th of July (18k units, half t3a) ,
    Cyberweekend (18k units, half t3a) ,

    Acts 7.2, 7.3 offers (7k units) = is 43k to 58k units per year to stay caught up.

    True:
    If you don't include the top 45 AQ rewards (moreover, there are plenty of $600-1k+ money spent per year players who barely qualify, or don't qualify, for top 45 AQ rewards for t3a), free to play don't get enough t3a resources to r4 a 6 star.

    Then, gifting event is just another way to get players to spend at least 3k+ units to progress.

    This is the direction Kabam has chosen to go the past 2 years. More deals, rather than tons of content for spenders to spend their way to 100%.

    Kabam has made this game very reliant on grinding (Brian grinded about 2+ hours per day to get 50k+ units) , and to pay for offers, to be able to get top 45 AQ.

    Brian's perspective on the game is 100% valid. It makes sense for his personal enjoyment, to take a indefinite break from the level of grind/dedication he has put in all these 6+ years. Nothing wrong with more casual play.

    I've been a moderate spender supporting this game, but I too at times can feel the grindiness- of this mcoc hamster wheel I'm on- is too much for my taste.

    I agree with everyone else, it's important to take a step back and see the big picture, and see there's no need to chase top 20 AQ rewards unless I'm willing to cough up more money.
    I spent some units so I'm down to 29k and a bit
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,061 ★★★★★

    KaLikOT said:

    He has been pulling his alliance prestige down for a few years now, it’s not like it happened overnight. Let’s face it, if he is not a well known YouTubed, they have kicked him from 4l0ki a long time ago.

    What really happened is he finally realized what he is doing to his Alliance and be decent enough to leave on his own.

    4Loki hasn't been trying hard in AQ for a long time. That's the only place prestige matters. They go harder in AW than in AQ.
    If that’s true then why should prestige matter at all? All that should matter is gameplay.

    Maybe ranking champs for defense? Idk
    I just think he's more burned out than anything. He sounds like Katy Candy in that he's not a fan of where content is headed and that he can't catch up to people. He even stated it's just how he plays the game and others shouldn't read too much into it.
  • Lovejoy72Lovejoy72 Member Posts: 1,858 ★★★★

    Lovejoy72 said:

    This is the "we are going to go ahead and let you resign before we fire you" routine. The YouTuber makes a vid saying hes quitting for whatever reason and gets to save face. The dudes alliance doesn't look like they value prizes over people. It should really be in an HR text book for how to handle an organization having to get rid of someone but no one looks to be the bad guy.

    Is Pete still in there? Buddy? What’s the alliance leaders prestige?
    I am extremely delighted to say I literally have no idea who these people are, nor do I care. And not knowing who these people are is a life win.
    They are other YouTubers in the alliance who also don’t have R4s. So if they aren’t leaving, I question your conclusions. Or, alternately, I just prefer to take BGs statements at face value.
  • FluffyPigMonsterFluffyPigMonster Member Posts: 2,069 ★★★★★

    KaLikOT said:

    He has been pulling his alliance prestige down for a few years now, it’s not like it happened overnight. Let’s face it, if he is not a well known YouTubed, they have kicked him from 4l0ki a long time ago.

    What really happened is he finally realized what he is doing to his Alliance and be decent enough to leave on his own.

    4Loki hasn't been trying hard in AQ for a long time. That's the only place prestige matters. They go harder in AW than in AQ.
    If that’s true then why should prestige matter at all? All that should matter is gameplay.

    Maybe ranking champs for defense? Idk
    I just think he's more burned out than anything. He sounds like Katy Candy in that he's not a fan of where content is headed and that he can't catch up to people. He even stated it's just how he plays the game and others shouldn't read too much into it.
    Sometimes we become hyper critical. I wish him well and hope he finds success and peace in whatever he endeavors.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,061 ★★★★★

    KaLikOT said:

    He has been pulling his alliance prestige down for a few years now, it’s not like it happened overnight. Let’s face it, if he is not a well known YouTubed, they have kicked him from 4l0ki a long time ago.

    What really happened is he finally realized what he is doing to his Alliance and be decent enough to leave on his own.

    4Loki hasn't been trying hard in AQ for a long time. That's the only place prestige matters. They go harder in AW than in AQ.
    If that’s true then why should prestige matter at all? All that should matter is gameplay.

    Maybe ranking champs for defense? Idk
    I just think he's more burned out than anything. He sounds like Katy Candy in that he's not a fan of where content is headed and that he can't catch up to people. He even stated it's just how he plays the game and others shouldn't read too much into it.
    Sometimes we become hyper critical. I wish him well and hope he finds success and peace in whatever he endeavors.
    He's not leaving the game right? Just YouTube and high tier stuff?
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  • GOTGGOTG Member Posts: 1,040 ★★★★
    BG is my favourite youtuber. Its sad to see him leaving.
  • 2StarKing2StarKing Member Posts: 855 ★★★



    He's not leaving the game right? Just YouTube and high tier stuff?

    He's just leaving his alliance for now... after AQ iirc. Also he wants evaluate the new solo gameplay before deciding the end is now.
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★

    AMS94 said:

    Since it's actually possible for f2p to get r4s, are there any out there?

    It's only possible in theory like a mathematical equation that involves lots of assumptions but holds no real life value
    Practically it's not possible & therefore no F2P has it or even anywhere close to getting it
    There's a very high chance that most of the endgame F2Ps won't be close even after Act 7 Exploration
    I'm a F2P guy and I'm currently 21,200 T3A shards away from getting my first R4 6* champ. Now I will admit that I could already have that R4 6-Star but I did make the 'mistake' of choosing the 15k Superior Nexus Bundle over the 15k Superior Catalyst Bundle in the 4th of July offers. There was 22,500 T3A shards in that offer so if I had chosen the alternative, I would have my R4 now. I thought R4s were too far off that w/ the release of 7.4 or later that the extra wouldn't make a big difference. I'm not upset about it and it put me like a 1-2 months behind but no biggee - I'll have a R4 surely when 7.4 gets released in Q1 of 2022 so it's not that big of a deal. Surely there are a few other F2P guys like myself that have one or are super close pending how some RNG came out of their GGCs (I personal got T3a 4 times out of my GGCs thus far).

    BG has his own 'code' of not spending and playing the way he does. While I may share a similar 'code', my attitude towards the spending and the current state of this game is slightly different. Everyone plays this game according to their own situation and that's what is pretty cool about it. Everyone is different and I don't think everyone needs to have exactly the same stuff (particularly if you spend). Each summoner needs to find their own niche that they are comfortable doing playing this game and then do that, enjoy that.
    But if u grind a lot & are able to buy things with thousand of units are u really a F2P
    Instead of money u're spending units which u bought with investing a lot more time each month
    Some people don't have that much time so they invest money instead while those who don't want to invest money invest those extra hours
    That's why I used the word "technically" in my comment bcoz I know it's possible but it still depends largely on "transactions" instead of clearing content
    With all those unit deals u're still "purchasing" ur first R4 instead of earning it by beating the newest endgame content
    With that amount of time investment fr a mobile game it kinda stops being "free" after a certain point, at least to me
    My definition of F2P is some one who plays the game without hardcore arena grinds
    I know that's technically not the correct definition but that's just what being "free" actually means to me
    May be that's just my code
    When I talk about F2P I can't claim the experience of a handful of F2P to be the actual F2P experience
    Just like experience of a handful of players like MSD or Swedeah can't be claimed to be the experience of an average MCOC player in terms of content difficulty
    Just bcoz those 2 or 10 or let's say even 50 players cn do Abyss itemless doesn't mean it's a content that's meant to be done itemless bcoz that's not accurate
    Similarly BG did itemless Act 6 runs, but that isn't an accurate representation of what Act 6 is
  • LilMaddogHTLilMaddogHT Member Posts: 1,203 ★★★★
    AMS94 said:

    AMS94 said:

    Since it's actually possible for f2p to get r4s, are there any out there?

    It's only possible in theory like a mathematical equation that involves lots of assumptions but holds no real life value
    Practically it's not possible & therefore no F2P has it or even anywhere close to getting it
    There's a very high chance that most of the endgame F2Ps won't be close even after Act 7 Exploration
    I'm a F2P guy and I'm currently 21,200 T3A shards away from getting my first R4 6* champ. Now I will admit that I could already have that R4 6-Star but I did make the 'mistake' of choosing the 15k Superior Nexus Bundle over the 15k Superior Catalyst Bundle in the 4th of July offers. There was 22,500 T3A shards in that offer so if I had chosen the alternative, I would have my R4 now. I thought R4s were too far off that w/ the release of 7.4 or later that the extra wouldn't make a big difference. I'm not upset about it and it put me like a 1-2 months behind but no biggee - I'll have a R4 surely when 7.4 gets released in Q1 of 2022 so it's not that big of a deal. Surely there are a few other F2P guys like myself that have one or are super close pending how some RNG came out of their GGCs (I personal got T3a 4 times out of my GGCs thus far).

    BG has his own 'code' of not spending and playing the way he does. While I may share a similar 'code', my attitude towards the spending and the current state of this game is slightly different. Everyone plays this game according to their own situation and that's what is pretty cool about it. Everyone is different and I don't think everyone needs to have exactly the same stuff (particularly if you spend). Each summoner needs to find their own niche that they are comfortable doing playing this game and then do that, enjoy that.
    But if u grind a lot & are able to buy things with thousand of units are u really a F2P
    Instead of money u're spending units which u bought with investing a lot more time each month
    Some people don't have that much time so they invest money instead while those who don't want to invest money invest those extra hours
    That's why I used the word "technically" in my comment bcoz I know it's possible but it still depends largely on "transactions" instead of clearing content
    With all those unit deals u're still "purchasing" ur first R4 instead of earning it by beating the newest endgame content
    With that amount of time investment fr a mobile game it kinda stops being "free" after a certain point, at least to me
    My definition of F2P is some one who plays the game without hardcore arena grinds
    I know that's technically not the correct definition but that's just what being "free" actually means to me
    May be that's just my code
    When I talk about F2P I can't claim the experience of a handful of F2P to be the actual F2P experience
    Just like experience of a handful of players like MSD or Swedeah can't be claimed to be the experience of an average MCOC player in terms of content difficulty
    Just bcoz those 2 or 10 or let's say even 50 players cn do Abyss itemless doesn't mean it's a content that's meant to be done itemless bcoz that's not accurate
    Similarly BG did itemless Act 6 runs, but that isn't an accurate representation of what Act 6 is
    Absolutely consider myself F2P. While I see your point, and I spend no money. There is always a 'cost', whether it's time only, some combination of time/money, or a butt ton of money. Like I mentioned, everyone has their own way that they play and the spectrum you fall in will vary. So because I put time into the game and complete every piece of content in the game generally within the first week or so of release (w/ exception of Abyss) and try to compete at the highest level possible without spending real currency, now I'm a being categorized as what, a F2P Whale? The rewards I earn from playing the game aren't fair/balanced because I play too much compared to a normal/casual user? :D
  • 2StarKing2StarKing Member Posts: 855 ★★★
    BG has played the game for seven years. After that much time playing the same game, it is natural to desire a change... regardless the reason.
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
    edited January 2022

    AMS94 said:

    AMS94 said:

    Since it's actually possible for f2p to get r4s, are there any out there?

    It's only possible in theory like a mathematical equation that involves lots of assumptions but holds no real life value
    Practically it's not possible & therefore no F2P has it or even anywhere close to getting it
    There's a very high chance that most of the endgame F2Ps won't be close even after Act 7 Exploration
    I'm a F2P guy and I'm currently 21,200 T3A shards away from getting my first R4 6* champ. Now I will admit that I could already have that R4 6-Star but I did make the 'mistake' of choosing the 15k Superior Nexus Bundle over the 15k Superior Catalyst Bundle in the 4th of July offers. There was 22,500 T3A shards in that offer so if I had chosen the alternative, I would have my R4 now. I thought R4s were too far off that w/ the release of 7.4 or later that the extra wouldn't make a big difference. I'm not upset about it and it put me like a 1-2 months behind but no biggee - I'll have a R4 surely when 7.4 gets released in Q1 of 2022 so it's not that big of a deal. Surely there are a few other F2P guys like myself that have one or are super close pending how some RNG came out of their GGCs (I personal got T3a 4 times out of my GGCs thus far).

    BG has his own 'code' of not spending and playing the way he does. While I may share a similar 'code', my attitude towards the spending and the current state of this game is slightly different. Everyone plays this game according to their own situation and that's what is pretty cool about it. Everyone is different and I don't think everyone needs to have exactly the same stuff (particularly if you spend). Each summoner needs to find their own niche that they are comfortable doing playing this game and then do that, enjoy that.
    But if u grind a lot & are able to buy things with thousand of units are u really a F2P
    Instead of money u're spending units which u bought with investing a lot more time each month
    Some people don't have that much time so they invest money instead while those who don't want to invest money invest those extra hours
    That's why I used the word "technically" in my comment bcoz I know it's possible but it still depends largely on "transactions" instead of clearing content
    With all those unit deals u're still "purchasing" ur first R4 instead of earning it by beating the newest endgame content
    With that amount of time investment fr a mobile game it kinda stops being "free" after a certain point, at least to me
    My definition of F2P is some one who plays the game without hardcore arena grinds
    I know that's technically not the correct definition but that's just what being "free" actually means to me
    May be that's just my code
    When I talk about F2P I can't claim the experience of a handful of F2P to be the actual F2P experience
    Just like experience of a handful of players like MSD or Swedeah can't be claimed to be the experience of an average MCOC player in terms of content difficulty
    Just bcoz those 2 or 10 or let's say even 50 players cn do Abyss itemless doesn't mean it's a content that's meant to be done itemless bcoz that's not accurate
    Similarly BG did itemless Act 6 runs, but that isn't an accurate representation of what Act 6 is
    Absolutely consider myself F2P. While I see your point, and I spend no money. There is always a 'cost', whether it's time only, some combination of time/money, or a butt ton of money. Like I mentioned, everyone has their own way that they play and the spectrum you fall in will vary. So because I put time into the game and complete every piece of content in the game generally within the first week or so of release (w/ exception of Abyss) and try to compete at the highest level possible without spending real currency, now I'm a being categorized as what, a F2P Whale? The rewards I earn from playing the game aren't fair/balanced because I play too much compared to a normal/casual user? :D
    I didn't say u should be considered as an F2P whale
    The rewards u get are absolutely fair bcoz u spend more time & they would be fair even if u bought them with money
    I just said that u shouldn't be considered an accurate representation of what the actual F2P experience is in MCOC since u're one of the very few exceptions, just like Brian Grant
    Just bcoz u don't spend money but still can manage to get a R4 doesn't imply the game has actually made R4 champions accessible to F2Ps
    Swedeah just did an itemless completion run of the Abyss last night, including the Collector, but that doesn't mean he cn say that the Abyss is intended to be done itemless
    That's what my point ws
  • AldacAldac Member Posts: 478 ★★★

    "Welcome to the worst nightmare of all... Reality!"
    Hellraiser quotes aside, BG had an actual arc the last 2ish months.
    From saying how the gifting event was doomed due to the "constant rewards earning for less effort" changes for new players(something that was a thing last year back when auto was terrible to use and every Act had 4 chapters), then saying how gifting event rewards are too op for spenders(a topic literally brought up EVERY YEAR), and now him saying that he's going to leave his alliance coincidentally before the gifting event ended.

    If that doesn't scream an actual arc, I don't know what does lol.
    Honestly, this happens at least once a year from BG. This isn't a new thing for him.
    If he gets more enjoyment fully solo, more power to him.
    He's still gonna make videos on MCOC, unlike Katy who up and chuck and done quit the game(I don't blame her decision either).



  • SearmenisSearmenis Member Posts: 1,627 ★★★★★
    To put things in a better perspectives, all content creators agree that the gifting crystals were too much this year. All of them in a more or less degree.
  • AldacAldac Member Posts: 478 ★★★
    I completely agree that the top solo gifting rank rewards are completely OTT this year. I think whoever is running rewards/the game economy has made a misstep and will come to regret taking the game in this direction this quickly. At the same time, the reactions of some prominent YouTubers have also been OTT.
  • TyEdgeTyEdge Member Posts: 3,116 ★★★★★
    The moral panic over this gifting event and r4 champs is nonsense. With average luck (an even split of t6b and t3a at 2% rates and 10% average per drop) you’re talking about opening 1500 crystals to form 3 t6b and 3 t3a. Last year’s event featured a 5% drop rate for t5cc when it was the ONLY endgame resource.

    Anyone who’s throwing in the towel over this is using it as a pretext to cover general dissatisfaction with the game. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I wish there was some reflection done where people would speak more about those issues than pinning it all on a bad event.

    I’ve hit a progression wall on my main. I have no t5cc. The only one I’m close to is mutant, but I’ve got Prof X, Apoc, Emma, and Swagneto at rank 3 already, with no mutants at r2. I just wasted my level up day on 4-stars and 5-stars who I’ll literally never use. I’m nowhere near a r4 champ despite completing the Gauntlet and earning every SOP point (not the finale, to be fair).

    There are two 5-star champs I might rank if I pull them - Herc and Shang Chi. When I open a 6-star, the odds are overwhelming that it’ll be meaningless. Even if it’s a great one, I have a quarter of the champion pool at 5/65 so I might have to make a huge investment just to match that champ, and that’s before you account for whether sig level makes the 5-star better (hi, Omega, Void etc)
  • AldacAldac Member Posts: 478 ★★★
    TyEdge said:

    The moral panic over this gifting event and r4 champs is nonsense. With average luck (an even split of t6b and t3a at 2% rates and 10% average per drop) you’re talking about opening 1500 crystals to form 3 t6b and 3 t3a. Last year’s event featured a 5% drop rate for t5cc when it was the ONLY endgame resource.

    Anyone who’s throwing in the towel over this is using it as a pretext to cover general dissatisfaction with the game. There’s nothing wrong with that, but I wish there was some reflection done where people would speak more about those issues than pinning it all on a bad event.

    I’ve hit a progression wall on my main. I have no t5cc. The only one I’m close to is mutant, but I’ve got Prof X, Apoc, Emma, and Swagneto at rank 3 already, with no mutants at r2. I just wasted my level up day on 4-stars and 5-stars who I’ll literally never use. I’m nowhere near a r4 champ despite completing the Gauntlet and earning every SOP point (not the finale, to be fair).

    There are two 5-star champs I might rank if I pull them - Herc and Shang Chi. When I open a 6-star, the odds are overwhelming that it’ll be meaningless. Even if it’s a great one, I have a quarter of the champion pool at 5/65 so I might have to make a huge investment just to match that champ, and that’s before you account for whether sig level makes the 5-star better (hi, Omega, Void etc)

    I think the main source of dissatisfaction has been the solo gifting rank rewards, and in particular the generic R3-4 gems and AGs, not the actual GGCs.

  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★

    This is the "we are going to go ahead and let you resign before we fire you" routine. The YouTuber makes a vid saying hes quitting for whatever reason and gets to save face. The dudes alliance doesn't look like they value prizes over people. It should really be in an HR text book for how to handle an organization having to get rid of someone but no one looks to be the bad guy.

    That’s not what happened at all lol

    Everything he said was 100% genuine & honest.
    It really is funny how many people talk so much about things they know absolutely nothing about.
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