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Kabam, you mistakenly nerfed Sandman’s damage instead of buffing it!

SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
edited November 2023 in General Discussion
Here’s the direct damage comparison. Look at the red numbers specifically. It’s insane that you rolled out this buff without checking the numbers with someone who actually plays the champion… @Pikolu @DNA3000 @Kabam Miike please look into this…

Pre-nerf
https://youtu.be/w9A11ryDSiI?si=Hm4FTcM4UMksyOg0

Post nerf
https://youtu.be/nUtQ6dEYDUM?si=BQVggR5bEABBNlvW

These clips are both in the exact same scenario: the second sp3 of the fight. The damage difference is insane, in the worst way possible.
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  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    edited November 2023
    Photos for the people who don’t want to click on the links:

  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,790 Guardian
    edited November 2023
    Are you using him everest content, or AW/BGs content? While the ceiling was reduced making him worse for long content, his floor was dramatically raised making him much better for short-medium content.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 8,290 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Are you using him everest content, or AW/BGs content? While the ceiling was reduced making him worse for long content, his floor was dramatically raised making him much better for short-medium content.

    Looks like RoL cap marvel fight.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    YOU CAN’T NERF THE CHAMPION WITHOUT ANNOUNCING IT, I DO NOT CARE IF HE HITS HARDER IN SHORTER FIGHTS, THIS IS A NERF TO HIS DAMAGE.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Pikolu said:

    Are you using him everest content, or AW/BGs content? While the ceiling was reduced making him worse for long content, his floor was dramatically raised making him much better for short-medium content.

    Excuse me? You think Realm of Legends is everest content? This is 550k hp, why is his damage lower than before?

    There was no mention of a damage nerf in the rebalance!!
    550k hp is above medium-fight length. Most BG health pools are 200-300k.
    Again, the rebalance program is there to announce all the changes, there was no mention of a LONGER THAN
    BG FIGHT DAMAGE NERF.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Pikolu said:

    Pikolu said:

    Are you using him everest content, or AW/BGs content? While the ceiling was reduced making him worse for long content, his floor was dramatically raised making him much better for short-medium content.

    Excuse me? You think Realm of Legends is everest content? This is 550k hp, why is his damage lower than before?

    There was no mention of a damage nerf in the rebalance!!
    550k hp is above medium-fight length. Most BG health pools are 200-300k.
    Again, the rebalance program is there to announce all the changes, there was no mention of a LONGER THAN
    BG FIGHT DAMAGE NERF.
    Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I haven't used sandman ever myself because he didn't fill any niches for me. From what I've heard from those who use him though, they really like his buff. He is now doing the fights he is supposed to better now.
    I have no problem with him being buffed for battlegrounds, but DO NOT NERF HIS ORIGINAL LONGER FIGHT DAMAGE. Just leave it the way it is Jesus Christ…
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★

    YOU CAN’T NERF THE CHAMPION WITHOUT ANNOUNCING IT, I DO NOT CARE IF HE HITS HARDER IN SHORTER FIGHTS, THIS IS A NERF TO HIS DAMAGE.

    Why are you yelling?
    Because I hate this thing. I’m happy he’s better in shorter fights but why… why would they LOWER the longer fight damage? Why not leave it the same??
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★
    edited November 2023
    They should’ve released the first version they had during the beta, but oh well. He’ll be pretty good for battlegrounds now at least. He wouldn’t have been busted if they left his damage ceiling alone and many other champs can still do both types of fights
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    They should’ve released the first version they had during the beta, but oh well. He’ll be pretty good for battlegrounds now at least. He wouldn’t have been busted if they left his damage ceiling alone and many other champs can still do both types of fights

    Busted? No, his long fight damage was not special, he does Labyrinth SL in 5:50 at r4 which is not good at all, so what are you even talking about?
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,790 Guardian

    Emilia90 said:

    They should’ve released the first version they had during the beta, but oh well. He’ll be pretty good for battlegrounds now at least. He wouldn’t have been busted if they left his damage ceiling alone and many other champs can still do both types of fights

    Busted? No, his long fight damage was not special, he does Labyrinth SL in 5:50 at r4 which is not good at all, so what are you even talking about?
    So, he was bad for long content before, and you're complaining about how he does in long content now?
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★

    YOU CAN’T NERF THE CHAMPION WITHOUT ANNOUNCING IT, I DO NOT CARE IF HE HITS HARDER IN SHORTER FIGHTS, THIS IS A NERF TO HIS DAMAGE.

    Why are you yelling?
    Because I hate this thing. I’m happy he’s better in shorter fights but why… why would they LOWER the longer fight damage? Why not leave it the same??
    Do you not understand what the term "rebalance" means?

    If Sandman is being buffed for BG sized fights, it makes sense to lower his damage ceiling.

    Increasing one thing and decreasing the other is BALANCE.
    I respect you, but this is such a bad take. Do you understand what BUFF means? Buff doesn’t mean rebalance. Buff means improvement. This is a nerf to his sp3 damage. This was not COMMUNICATED ANYWHERE.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Emilia90 said:

    They should’ve released the first version they had during the beta, but oh well. He’ll be pretty good for battlegrounds now at least. He wouldn’t have been busted if they left his damage ceiling alone and many other champs can still do both types of fights

    Busted? No, his long fight damage was not special, he does Labyrinth SL in 5:50 at r4 which is not good at all, so what are you even talking about?
    So, he was bad for long content before, and you're complaining about how he does in long content now?
    HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GET BUFFED!!! I was hyped to see his improved damage, I despise this one-sided battlegrounds oriented view, leave his damage like it was for long fights, he does NOT need to get nerfed there at all.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 4,043 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    They should’ve released the first version they had during the beta, but oh well. He’ll be pretty good for battlegrounds now at least. He wouldn’t have been busted if they left his damage ceiling alone and many other champs can still do both types of fights

    Busted? No, his long fight damage was not special, he does Labyrinth SL in 5:50 at r4 which is not good at all, so what are you even talking about?
    Huh? I said he wouldn’t have been busted and that they could’ve left his damage alone for long form content if they weren’t going to scale it up. You sound really aggressive and condescending on this thread, might want to tone it down a little
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,347 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    Emilia90 said:

    They should’ve released the first version they had during the beta, but oh well. He’ll be pretty good for battlegrounds now at least. He wouldn’t have been busted if they left his damage ceiling alone and many other champs can still do both types of fights

    Busted? No, his long fight damage was not special, he does Labyrinth SL in 5:50 at r4 which is not good at all, so what are you even talking about?
    Huh? I said he wouldn’t have been busted and that they could’ve left his damage alone for long form content if they weren’t going to scale it up. You sound really aggressive and condescending on this thread, might want to tone it down a little
    I read "he would" instead of "he wouldn’t" in your comment and I don’t know where you saw anything condescending, unless CAPITAL LETTERS count 🤷‍♂️
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