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I won't be the only one that had absolutely 0 faith that Kabam would be able to launch Nightmare Raids without issue because, frankly, the last year of raiding has taught us they couldn't. Bugs and errors including but not limited to;

- Not being able to select Raid champ for standard content
- When the above was fixed, selected raid nodes applying through Standard content (2 day period), applying insane damage boosts and leaving me not wanting to clear anything in case I was tagged as a bug abuser.
- All champs being tagged as "Raids: Vanguard".
- Role charges disappearing.
- Role charges not building.
- Role charges not applying damage boosts.
- D'Thanos boss having 10% of the health pool he was meant to have 😂 it's such a basic error! Yet we're meant to believe they can reasonably modify Korg's base kit to suit the Raid numbers? A naive and silly decision as they could have literally chosen any average defender with a kit they didn't have to change, followed by incompetent implementation.

*and that's just Raids*

I've participated in and arranged BG's for every raid since release, it's my favourite content in the game, but there is such a negative track record I thought I'd swerve the grief of content that was "Nightmare" by description and was proven to be "Nightmare" by implementation. I won't have been the only one making that decision, and when we do, it's the most lucrative Raid, *ever*, to take part in for the completely wrong reasons.

I'm genuinely happy for those that are getting something for the suffering of that Raid, and I'm not justifying anyone seeking compensation for not taking part, but there's a big thread bashing someone for saying the same thing in a less developed way. Please understand the frustrations of those who chose not to take on the gamble and stress of new content for the intended rewards, given the track records of bad bugs and poor gameplay, and ended up effectively losing out on more than they thought they would.

I think its more about telling Kabam hey Ive spent all this money as just s regular dude and Im still willing to walk away from this game. Theres a misconception that the whales will keep the game afloat.... they wont, theres too few of them. Its the THOUSANDS of players like the OP who spend every 4th of July, Cyber Week, and Banquet that keep the game going. Not the 35 whales. I promise you the regular folks outspend the whales by a large margin, because there are so many more of us.

I don't get to tell Walmart what to do because I spend money there. I can't tell my grocery store what to do because I spend money. Can you tell a car dealership what to do if you buy a car?

You can provide feedback just like anywhere else but you can't have the expectation that because you've spent money, your feedback needs to be highlighted and brought to the table or expect to be treated better than someone who spends less or none.

Haha some of your analogies are a bit off. Actually if you go to a grocery store you can get your money back if there is something wrong with what you got.
If you go to a dealership, there is warranty on your car for a certain amount of time.

Here in Kabam, all I am doing is giving them feedback. I gave that example about giving money back as something that will not happen. I am not asking for it back. I am saying that I don't think I get what I deserve from spending anymore even after so many years.

A company will always appreciate feedback because their main goal is to make money.

As a spender in this game, you're not purchasing anything. You're leasing permission for access to whatever it is they're selling. The game and the contents therein belong to Kabam and Netmarble, respectively.
What you're leasing is what they're advertising, Champs, Resources, etc. We're not purchasing shares in the company, nor are we buying something that provides any lasting return. If the game folded tomorrow, we would still be out our money.
What we deserve is whatever we bought, and we get that when we purchase it. It's not for keeps, so there's no real deserving anything.

I like this, I mean when I started spending on the game back in 2016, spending on games like this was new to me. I was used to buying actual games.

I guess I have learned that spending on games like this is only giving you the fun and entertainment for that particular time when you did it.

I will definitely not spend thousands of dollars on any other mobile game like this. I will be waiting for the PS6 and buying games then haha

We have to think about live service games like streaming.
Paying monthly for Game Pass or for Netflix means you get access, not ownership.
The catalogue changes, and the directions changes. The cost can increase as well, so you might not feel it is worth it anymore.

You can decide not to pay anymore if it is no longer worth it. But the money you already spent went to access and entertainment, not ownership.

The thing to keep in mind about live service games, and MCOC in particular, is that the game literally gives everything away for free. Players get crystals for free, they get rank up materials for free, virtually everything in the game has an opportunity to get it for no monetary expense. You just play the game, and you get everything for free. If a player gets a champion crystal for free and you spend money and get a champion crystal, what are you actually buying? You're not buying that crystal, you're paying to get that crystal sooner. You're paying to cut in line.

Money buys time, not things. When they nerf or buff a champ, they are not changing something someone bought. They are changing that champ in the game, and some people got that champ for free and some people paid to get that champ sooner than the people who got it for free, but neither group is entitled to decide whether the champ changes or stays the same.

If you don't understand you're paying for time, your paying for convenience, but you aren't buying actual material things, in my opinion that's something people should learn and understand. And it is not up to the spender to decide what they are buying. Sellers decide what's for sale. Buyers decide what they buy. Buyers don't get to demand sellers sell what they expect to buy. Kabam does not sell things, they don't sell ownership rights, and that's their sole decision to make.

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:
First things first, Nightmare Raids clearly didn’t hit the standard we hold ourselves to, and we remain committed to hitting that high mark. With that said, let’s talk about compensation, shall we?

All Summoners who partook in Nightmare Raids, whether completed or not, will be receiving...

The following Compensation Package:
180 Raid Tickets
1 Light Essence
1 Titan Crystal (a jackpot in the final Nightmare Chest)
1 7-Star Crystal
5,000,000 Gold
2 T6CC Crystals
1 T4A Catalyst
5,000 Glory

Of these, many of the rewards are reasonable, but compensation for 180 raid tickets is an overkill. Nightmare participants can participate in Nightmare Raid with no participation fee, and have obtained these rewards.
We take part in our regular raid maps and, as usual, pay 180 raid tickets. The rewards were as usual.

If only Nightmare Raid participants had been informed in advance that 180 tickets would be distributed later, we would have participated in Nightmare Raid.
It is unfair that Nightmare Raid participants will receive a reward with no participation fee. Please also distribute 180 raid tickets to regular raid map participants.

How can they inform you in advance of what potential compensation will come before the content is released.

To be fair I went in knowing it would be bugged and there was a chance for compensation. Never thought the compensation would be this good 🤣

Just wanted to highlight what I said about the Vega video and the fact that the 180° uturn video just went live:


Not surprised.

https://youtu.be/Hof6Wfc_D5o?si=ERR0dS5oC6t-tLpW

Theres a reason his name wasnt listed with Lagacy, Andrews, Traps in the post. You would think that given all the money he generates on his videos from our views, and his giant roster, he'd score in similar brackets to those guys, but he usually finishes like Quantum.

I think its like you said, all about publicity and maintaining appearances i.e. "everybody is frustrated and complaining so let me post a video joining in, only just to post a video right after the rewards get buffed to champion Kabam.

Was never a big fan of him as he just never came across as authentic to me, so im not surprised by that video flop.

I think he is more legit cause his hobbie gets affected and not his sole source of income; but that's my point of view.

Just wanted to highlight what I said about the Vega video and the fact that the 180° uturn video just went live:


Not surprised.

https://youtu.be/Hof6Wfc_D5o?si=ERR0dS5oC6t-tLpW

Theres a reason his name wasnt listed with Lagacy, Andrews, Traps in the post. You would think that given all the money he generates on his videos from our views, and his giant roster, he'd score in similar brackets to those guys, but he usually finishes like Quantum.

I think its like you said, all about publicity and maintaining appearances i.e. "everybody is frustrated and complaining so let me post a video joining in, only just to post a video right after the rewards get buffed to champion Kabam.

Was never a big fan of him as he just never came across as authentic to me, so im not surprised by that video flop.