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I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized

We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.

Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior.
I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...

"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.

they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.

Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s
Sounds like a great idea.
Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...

we've got a brand new rank. this means:

-the whales pay a fortune to have first access
-r3s lose value
-kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s
-the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)

we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??

Did I say that?...
I want to be rewarded accordingly....
I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?

for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.

you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.

You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now?
One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.

brother, i'm sure you've played for a long time so you know how the game works.

kabam separates progression into different rooms. when a new rank comes out they create a new room, put the shiniest tastiest bait in there and entice superwhales to get it. me and you are free to try for it but since we're not trillionaire oil tycoons, we can't.

so what do we do? we wait patiently in our current rooms while kabam starts shuffling paragons and TB'ers into it. you might not like it but that's how it's always worked.

as we temporarily share the same space with paragons and TBers, in the next 6-8 months kabam will start giving non-whale valiants better access to r4s (content, objectives, special spring cleaning and july 4 offers) and we'll eventually join the oil sheiks and business owners in the fancy room and finally leave the gross yucky disgusting paragons and TBers to themselves. that's how the game works.

sidenote: if we got more 7* shards and sig stones, it would only accelerate the economy and bring about 8*s even faster and we would complain about that too!

I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized

We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.

Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior.
I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...

"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.

they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.

Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s
Sounds like a great idea.
Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...

we've got a brand new rank. this means:

-the whales pay a fortune to have first access
-r3s lose value
-kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s
-the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)

we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??

Did I say that?...
I want to be rewarded accordingly....
I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?

for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.

you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.

You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now?
One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.

No you didn't. You and others keep thinking you're getting TB rewards. No. TBs got valiant rewards but you have no proof you got less because TBs and Paragons had access to the same crystal.

Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.

Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.

I posted a response here, and the community team posted a response in the pinned comment that's still at the top of the forums.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2700093#Comment_2700093

I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.

I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.

I hope something changes your mind.
2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?

I don't think you understand sarcasm.

He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.

I posted a response here, and the community team posted a response in the pinned comment that's still at the top of the forums.
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2700093#Comment_2700093

I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.

I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.

I hope something changes your mind.
2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?

I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.

Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.

Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.

It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.

I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.

You could be right.
It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.

Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.

No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it.
Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.

I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.

You hit the nail on the head. The t7b shards were paltry at best. Low drop rates and 630 shards is ridiculous. T5cc being in it was ridiculous. Shards of t6c at 10% and half t6b and t3a was ridiculous no t5cc, at least 50% t6cc shards as the lowest, and full t3a and t6b would have made the crystals a tiny bit better. It was the fillers making up the high percentage of drop rates when we were told there would be less fillers that upset the community so much.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/354001/its-that-time-of-year-banquet-and-accolade-events-are-here/p1

This was last year. You could get 5700 T4A and it was still "underwhelming".

You need t5cc to rank up 7*'s, it's why it's in there. Not everyone who plays the game is drowning in t5cc.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2454110#Comment_2454110

For those that want to read crashes statement about last year

Ooooh thanks for this....transparent reminder of how Kabam thinks.

So I take 3 things from this:

1. The greater, highly anticipated rewards are (supposed to be) kept behind tough content to encourage lower tier players to push for progression right? And the event isn't tailored to progession levels, but the lower tiers end up getting good rewards bc they just happen to be good for their accounts. This seems like a contradiction. Especially with the current banquet. If this is the case, then where's the incentive for them to push for progression for Acts 8 and 9? Why would they think about progressing if they're already getting great rewards from banquet, and in turn are able to stack their accounts from it?

2. The crystals are admittedly trash, and basically we shouldn't be financially participating in an event where we're going to get horrible rewards lol

3. We can expect a response around Jan. 4th 😆

Point one is the main focus of that if no progression lock on events then nothing should have a lock stores eq it might aswell be all unlocked from start since its meaningless at this point

All of game design (or any design really) is about compromises. The term “game balance” itself refers to compromises between competing requirements. If you believe everything is all or nothing you can’t be a game designer, or for that matter have any meaningful conversation with game designers. As a designer of stuff myself, whenever someone says “well, if you do this here you have to do this everywhere or you’re just a hypocrite” that’s the point where I check out of the conversation as having no point to continuing.

What games have you worked on?