There was compensation given. MD was refunded completely. Does no one care about that?
Definitely. That was (part of) the right move. But md and mystics are intrinsically linked by design. One was desirable and useful because of the other... And it wouldn't matter whether you put the champs or the mastery first in that sentence. That's the whole point imo.
I don't even have any mystics on defense. Haven't for quite some time. Don't have a mystic I'd even consider ranking down. Its just a bad precedent overall.
There was compensation given. MD was refunded completely. Does no one care about that?
Sure we did receive compensation for MD masteries. But the only way to find out if the masteries and our champs were still viable were to reinvest in the mastery. 🤦🏼♀️
If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.
Dang, so much hate for such a logical comment. You go, GW! 🤣
It's an uncomfortable truth. There's a great deal of confusion about how people were using the Champs with MD, and how the Champs are intended to perform separately. They aren't dependent on MD at all. No Champ is designed that way. They're not required to have MD to function properly. What it did was generate mass amounts of Kills in War because it enhanced their Power Gain. For some reason, people are mistaking that with their basic fucntioning.
Probably also worth pointing out that monitoring the Champs afterwards doesn't necessarily entail making sure they get the same amount of Kills. However, people tend to hate on here when they don't like the answer.
Grounded buddy… the DEXTERITY MD interaction ALONE heavily impacted Juggy, UC, and even Dorm.
We won’t even get INTO how it effected Mephisto making him a “locked” range fight of incineration or a dashing retreat filled with power gain on the enemy. Heck MS SP2 is now easier instead of just cheap power.
Especially with Juggs and UC (ESPECIALLY UC) there’s reason for rank downs or rank ups.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
It was changed to stop punishing evades.There won't be many who disagree with that reasoning.
Instead of just removing that interaction we end up with a mastery nerf and a double whammy hit on certain nodes that have nothing to do with MD at all.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a response regarding effects to champions, I'm sure I heard the same thing after 12.0.
If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.
Dang, so much hate for such a logical comment. You go, GW! 🤣
It's an uncomfortable truth. There's a great deal of confusion about how people were using the Champs with MD, and how the Champs are intended to perform separately. They aren't dependent on MD at all. No Champ is designed that way. They're not required to have MD to function properly. What it did was generate mass amounts of Kills in War because it enhanced their Power Gain. For some reason, people are mistaking that with their basic fucntioning.
Probably also worth pointing out that monitoring the Champs afterwards doesn't necessarily entail making sure they get the same amount of Kills. However, people tend to hate on here when they don't like the answer.
People tend to hate when they don't get an answer.
If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.
Dang, so much hate for such a logical comment. You go, GW! 🤣
It's an uncomfortable truth. There's a great deal of confusion about how people were using the Champs with MD, and how the Champs are intended to perform separately. They aren't dependent on MD at all. No Champ is designed that way. They're not required to have MD to function properly. What it did was generate mass amounts of Kills in War because it enhanced their Power Gain. For some reason, people are mistaking that with their basic fucntioning.
Probably also worth pointing out that monitoring the Champs afterwards doesn't necessarily entail making sure they get the same amount of Kills. However, people tend to hate on here when they don't like the answer.
Masteries and boosts are handicaps. The champ can do fine without them, people just need to figure out how. I don't have Dexterity and my champs destroy my level of content. Take Blade for example. He is great on his own. His Regen is just a happy bonus. And yes, we have both seen our fair share of unnecessary hate. No logic to it. It just happens 🤷♂️
Meh. I've developed thick skin. Lol. Can't take things personally. It's The Internet. Lol.
We won’t even get INTO how it effected Mephisto making him a “locked” range fight of incineration or a dashing retreat filled with power gain on the enemy. Heck MS SP2 is now easier instead of just cheap power.
I don’t understand why players try to say “mystic defenders are still effective”. Players who make these comments must not have played in higher tier AW prior to the nerf, or maybe cognitive dissonance won’t allow them to see this situation from more than one point of view.
On a difficulty scale of 1-10 the MD nerf made certain defenders go from an 8-10 to a 4-5 or less. Check out Morningstar’s power gain with max MD when her sp2 was fully evaded, then combine that with the old MD/Dexterity interaction:
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If there was a need, they would have been given by now. Fact is, those Champs don't depend on an enhancement to function properly.
Dang, so much hate for such a logical comment. You go, GW! 🤣
It's an uncomfortable truth. There's a great deal of confusion about how people were using the Champs with MD, and how the Champs are intended to perform separately. They aren't dependent on MD at all. No Champ is designed that way. They're not required to have MD to function properly. What it did was generate mass amounts of Kills in War because it enhanced their Power Gain. For some reason, people are mistaking that with their basic fucntioning.
Probably also worth pointing out that monitoring the Champs afterwards doesn't necessarily entail making sure they get the same amount of Kills. However, people tend to hate on here when they don't like the answer.
Masteries and boosts are handicaps. The champ can do fine without them, people just need to figure out how. I don't have Dexterity and my champs destroy my level of content. Take Blade for example. He is great on his own. His Regen is just a happy bonus. And yes, we have both seen our fair share of unnecessary hate. No logic to it. It just happens 🤷♂️
Masteries are handicaps? Let me know when you explore Act 5, Uncollected EQ, LOL, etc., without these handicaps that people just need to figure out how to play without. I respectfully submit that you yourself will never figure out this method.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
You literally just said the same thing I did and talked in circles. I said Champs that are average Defenders were still average, whether the Mastery enhanced them or not. Your argument waa that people Ranked the Champs because MD made them viable. That's not a Champ issue, that's a Mastery issue. It's also not cause to provide Tickets because people Ranked for their own strategy. I can Rank AA for Deep Wounds but if they change Deep Wounds, I'm not owed the means to change because I make the choice to Rank whatever Champs I want and apply whatever enhancements I want.
It is not grasping at straws. It's quite plain and factual, actually. They said they would monitor them closely, sure. That didn't mean they thought anything, other than they wanted to see how they perform. Here we are months later, and people are still waiting for Tickets for them. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about those Champs depends on MD by design.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
You literally just said the same thing I did and talked in circles. I said Champs that are average Defenders were still average, whether the Mastery enhanced them or not. Your argument waa that people Ranked the Champs because MD made them viable. That's not a Champ issue, that's a Mastery issue. It's also not cause to provide Tickets because people Ranked for their own strategy. I can Rank AA for Deep Wounds but if they change Deep Wounds, I'm not owed the means to change because I make the choice to Rank whatever Champs I want and apply whatever enhancements I want.
It is not grasping at straws. It's quite plain and factual, actually. They said they would monitor them closely, sure. That didn't mean they thought anything, other than they wanted to see how they perform. Here we are months later, and people are still waiting for Tickets for them. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about those Champs depends on MD by design.
You literally just don’t get it. Masteries are part of the game and can make some champs worth ranking that otherwise wouldn’t be. Medusa’s ability mentions the parry mastery lol. The fact that she is the same when you get her as she would be if they ended the parry mastery is irrelevant. You can’t say that champs work the way they work apart from masteries. Masteries are part of the equation when they are developed and part of the basis for ranking.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
You literally just said the same thing I did and talked in circles. I said Champs that are average Defenders were still average, whether the Mastery enhanced them or not. Your argument waa that people Ranked the Champs because MD made them viable. That's not a Champ issue, that's a Mastery issue. It's also not cause to provide Tickets because people Ranked for their own strategy. I can Rank AA for Deep Wounds but if they change Deep Wounds, I'm not owed the means to change because I make the choice to Rank whatever Champs I want and apply whatever enhancements I want.
It is not grasping at straws. It's quite plain and factual, actually. They said they would monitor them closely, sure. That didn't mean they thought anything, other than they wanted to see how they perform. Here we are months later, and people are still waiting for Tickets for them. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about those Champs depends on MD by design.
You literally just don’t get it. Masteries are part of the game and can make some champs worth ranking that otherwise wouldn’t be. Medusa’s ability mentions the parry mastery lol. The fact that she is the same when you get her as she would be if they ended the parry mastery is irrelevant. You can’t say that champs work the way they work apart from masteries. Masteries are part of the equation when they are developed and part of the basis for ranking.
Oh no, if you provide this logic then at a later time if parry gets nerfed, this guy gonna come up and say you used it for 4+ years, you reaped your rewards now go home.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
You literally just said the same thing I did and talked in circles. I said Champs that are average Defenders were still average, whether the Mastery enhanced them or not. Your argument waa that people Ranked the Champs because MD made them viable. That's not a Champ issue, that's a Mastery issue. It's also not cause to provide Tickets because people Ranked for their own strategy. I can Rank AA for Deep Wounds but if they change Deep Wounds, I'm not owed the means to change because I make the choice to Rank whatever Champs I want and apply whatever enhancements I want.
It is not grasping at straws. It's quite plain and factual, actually. They said they would monitor them closely, sure. That didn't mean they thought anything, other than they wanted to see how they perform. Here we are months later, and people are still waiting for Tickets for them. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about those Champs depends on MD by design.
Again, MD is not a general mastery, it is MYSTIC DISPERSION, that means for MYSTIC CHAMPIONS. So YES, since you can't split those 2 factors, Mystic Champions ARE dependent on MD and VICE VERSA! And since it's a fact that you cannot invest in a specific mastery without spending resources on champions, your argument is completely invalid.
It didn't affect them at all. It affected how they performed WITH it. It's an additive. The aspect that was "working as intended" was changed. That was the Mastery. For that, they compensated. The Champs aren't a part of that.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
You literally just said the same thing I did and talked in circles. I said Champs that are average Defenders were still average, whether the Mastery enhanced them or not. Your argument waa that people Ranked the Champs because MD made them viable. That's not a Champ issue, that's a Mastery issue. It's also not cause to provide Tickets because people Ranked for their own strategy. I can Rank AA for Deep Wounds but if they change Deep Wounds, I'm not owed the means to change because I make the choice to Rank whatever Champs I want and apply whatever enhancements I want.
It is not grasping at straws. It's quite plain and factual, actually. They said they would monitor them closely, sure. That didn't mean they thought anything, other than they wanted to see how they perform. Here we are months later, and people are still waiting for Tickets for them. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about those Champs depends on MD by design.
Again, MD is not a general mastery, it is MYSTIC DISPERSION, that means for MYSTIC CHAMPIONS. So YES, since you can't split those 2 factors, Mystic Champions ARE dependent on MD and VICE VERSA! And since it's a fact that you cannot invest in a specific mastery without spending resources on champions, your argument is completely invalid.
No. They're not dependent on MD. You do not need MD to use Mystic Champs. There does not exist a Mystic Champ that requires MD to use it. For some reason, people aren't accepting that fact. It's like strategy has become necessity.
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Definitely. That was (part of) the right move. But md and mystics are intrinsically linked by design. One was desirable and useful because of the other... And it wouldn't matter whether you put the champs or the mastery first in that sentence. That's the whole point imo.
I don't even have any mystics on defense. Haven't for quite some time. Don't have a mystic I'd even consider ranking down. Its just a bad precedent overall.
Sure we did receive compensation for MD masteries. But the only way to find out if the masteries and our champs were still viable were to reinvest in the mastery. 🤦🏼♀️
It's an uncomfortable truth. There's a great deal of confusion about how people were using the Champs with MD, and how the Champs are intended to perform separately. They aren't dependent on MD at all. No Champ is designed that way. They're not required to have MD to function properly. What it did was generate mass amounts of Kills in War because it enhanced their Power Gain. For some reason, people are mistaking that with their basic fucntioning.
Probably also worth pointing out that monitoring the Champs afterwards doesn't necessarily entail making sure they get the same amount of Kills. However, people tend to hate on here when they don't like the answer.
We won’t even get INTO how it effected Mephisto making him a “locked” range fight of incineration or a dashing retreat filled with power gain on the enemy. Heck MS SP2 is now easier instead of just cheap power.
Especially with Juggs and UC (ESPECIALLY UC) there’s reason for rank downs or rank ups.
Instead of just removing that interaction we end up with a mastery nerf and a double whammy hit on certain nodes that have nothing to do with MD at all.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a response regarding effects to champions, I'm sure I heard the same thing after 12.0.
To date I don't recall any further info on DS etc
People tend to hate when they don't get an answer.
Meh. I've developed thick skin. Lol. Can't take things personally. It's The Internet. Lol.
I don’t understand why players try to say “mystic defenders are still effective”. Players who make these comments must not have played in higher tier AW prior to the nerf, or maybe cognitive dissonance won’t allow them to see this situation from more than one point of view.
On a difficulty scale of 1-10 the MD nerf made certain defenders go from an 8-10 to a 4-5 or less. Check out Morningstar’s power gain with max MD when her sp2 was fully evaded, then combine that with the old MD/Dexterity interaction:
Lol try not having masteries or boosts and go jump in a tier 2 war.
This is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Kabam acknowledges that some champs are good for offense and some are good for defense. If you rank a defensive champ and the defense part is nerfed, the fact that they perform the same way on offense is not worth mentioning. Mystic D made some mystic champs good defenders that otherwise would be average defenders. These same champs are not worth ranking for their offensive prowess for most players. Nerfing mystic D removed the viability for which these champs were ranked. It wasn't an "additive". It was the sole reason why some of these champs were ranked. I would say that this is as wrong as you have ever been, but at this point that would be hyperbole.
Masteries are handicaps? Let me know when you explore Act 5, Uncollected EQ, LOL, etc., without these handicaps that people just need to figure out how to play without. I respectfully submit that you yourself will never figure out this method.
If they're average Defenders, and they're made better with the Mastery, they're still average Defenders. Yes, they have said some Champs are better on Defense than others. The Champs. Not the Champs who must have certain Masteries. That's totally elective. Doesn't mean those Champs required people to Rank them, then Rank MD. That was a choice. A choice people made to get overpowered Kills in War. The fact that people used it advantageously for so long and are still claiming to be owed something when it was clearly too powerful, boggles my mind.
Either way, I do not believe I am wrong at all. Been wrong before. Not this time. No matter how you manipulate the facts, the Champs are not dependent on MD to function properly. People just maximized it for so long that they started believing that's how they were meant to function.
Nobody would take an average defender who isn’t good on offense to 5/65. Masteries can’t be separated from what makes a defender good. Have you ever fought EQ Medusa? Not that hard. Autoblock isn’t a problem unless parry is involved. More often than not the aw boss is Medusa because of the way parry works with her ability. If Kabam decided that parry was no longer a viable mastery going forward Medusa would become just another defender. She would still have uses, unlike many of the mystic champs, but the reason many people ranked her would be gone. Your overpowered point is grasping at straws. It was working as intended and mystic wars were over before the nerf. Kabam thought it might be a problem and needed monitoring. That was specifically with regard to how mystic champs did in war defense after the nerf. Apparently Kabam thought that the nerf might make some champs less viable and deserving of rank downs even if you in your grounded wisdom can’t see it.
You literally just said the same thing I did and talked in circles. I said Champs that are average Defenders were still average, whether the Mastery enhanced them or not. Your argument waa that people Ranked the Champs because MD made them viable. That's not a Champ issue, that's a Mastery issue. It's also not cause to provide Tickets because people Ranked for their own strategy. I can Rank AA for Deep Wounds but if they change Deep Wounds, I'm not owed the means to change because I make the choice to Rank whatever Champs I want and apply whatever enhancements I want.
It is not grasping at straws. It's quite plain and factual, actually. They said they would monitor them closely, sure. That didn't mean they thought anything, other than they wanted to see how they perform. Here we are months later, and people are still waiting for Tickets for them. Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING about those Champs depends on MD by design.
You literally just don’t get it. Masteries are part of the game and can make some champs worth ranking that otherwise wouldn’t be. Medusa’s ability mentions the parry mastery lol. The fact that she is the same when you get her as she would be if they ended the parry mastery is irrelevant. You can’t say that champs work the way they work apart from masteries. Masteries are part of the equation when they are developed and part of the basis for ranking.
Oh no, if you provide this logic then at a later time if parry gets nerfed, this guy gonna come up and say you used it for 4+ years, you reaped your rewards now go home.
Again, MD is not a general mastery, it is MYSTIC DISPERSION, that means for MYSTIC CHAMPIONS. So YES, since you can't split those 2 factors, Mystic Champions ARE dependent on MD and VICE VERSA! And since it's a fact that you cannot invest in a specific mastery without spending resources on champions, your argument is completely invalid.
No. They're not dependent on MD. You do not need MD to use Mystic Champs. There does not exist a Mystic Champ that requires MD to use it. For some reason, people aren't accepting that fact. It's like strategy has become necessity.