Lol, so no sub 5 minute video. So no SL with out synergy can’t do what she hulk does with synergy, so you were wrong?
No i need a video of she ogre agaisnt another champ. She aint better than SL. I need she ogre vs maestro.
I soloed maestro with my SL with 260 hits so lets see if she beats that:
Other than universal class disadvantage, which SL also suffers, there’s nothing limiting her damage against maestro vs SL, so if she can do 3.3mil damage in less than 5 mins against SL then it’s reasonable to assume she can against maestro as well. The time would probably be slightly longer as his s1 animation is longer and probably has a higher base armour rating but these things also are in effect against SL.
Lmao are you on the beta? Have u experience how hard is to keep those furies up? Not every special is the sweet Star lord piece of cake sp1. Additionally the random evades mess up the mechanics. You have to be way too agressive and lucky. Nah I am all set. If the fury were permanent then I will be sold. I can sit around with my SL and wait and plam accordingly my attacks with no pressure. I can develop my combos the way I want to without pressure.
People stopped caring about total hit counts about 2 years ago, it’s time not hits, otherwise quake can kill everyone in 0 hits so in your theory she’s better than SL.
You’re clearly running synergy or boosts in that maestro fight.
And you’re still ignoring my point which is that currently she hulk can kill LOL SL faster than SL.
Do the fight with quake and let me know.
People have but you clearly missed his point which is hits don’t matter it’s the faster kill that matters
Lol, so no sub 5 minute video. So no SL with out synergy can’t do what she hulk does with synergy, so you were wrong?
No i need a video of she ogre agaisnt another champ. She aint better than SL. I need she ogre vs maestro.
I soloed maestro with my SL with 260 hits so lets see if she beats that:
Other than universal class disadvantage, which SL also suffers, there’s nothing limiting her damage against maestro vs SL, so if she can do 3.3mil damage in less than 5 mins against SL then it’s reasonable to assume she can against maestro as well. The time would probably be slightly longer as his s1 animation is longer and probably has a higher base armour rating but these things also are in effect against SL.
Lmao are you on the beta? Have u experience how hard is to keep those furies up? Not every special is the sweet Star lord piece of cake sp1. Additionally the random evades mess up the mechanics. You have to be way too agressive and lucky. Nah I am all set. If the fury were permanent then I will be sold. I can sit around with my SL and wait and plam accordingly my attacks with no pressure. I can develop my combos the way I want to without pressure.
No I’m not in the beta, with synergy and maestro being tagged XL you should get 14+ second fury, his s1 is pretty easily counterable, if you can keep the fury against SL in theory you should be able to against maestro.
Also random evades can mess up SL combo, so he’s not immune there either.
Again you’re quoting me out of context, initially you said SL without mastery or synergy can do to SL what she hulk needs mastery and synergy for, which I said he can’t and has proven to be true. You’ve now changed the discussion to something else.
I think the whole of this argument boils down to what is deemed "faster", total time of fight or total hits needed.
Regardless, the fact remains that She Hulk is now at least in the same conversation with Starlord whereas she was nowhere close to it just a few days ago.
This is genuinely a good argument to be having instead of the years long "who is worse, Gwen or SHulk?"
Lol, so no sub 5 minute video. So no SL with out synergy can’t do what she hulk does with synergy, so you were wrong?
No i need a video of she ogre agaisnt another champ. She aint better than SL. I need she ogre vs maestro.
I soloed maestro with my SL with 260 hits so lets see if she beats that:
Yeah, 260 hits in, what, your 3rd or 4th go at him?
Nope do you need a screenshot of the fight half way too. Brahhh sorry to say but in 2025 you can speak to me about LOL. I will give you some advice. Just go and play LOL and 100 percent then; We can have a conversation.
Lol, so no sub 5 minute video. So no SL with out synergy can’t do what she hulk does with synergy, so you were wrong?
No i need a video of she ogre agaisnt another champ. She aint better than SL. I need she ogre vs maestro.
I soloed maestro with my SL with 260 hits so lets see if she beats that:
Yeah, 260 hits in, what, your 3rd or 4th go at him?
Nope do you need a screenshot of the fight half way too. Brahhh sorry to say but in 2025 you can speak to me about LOL. I will give you some advice. Just go and play LOL and 100 percent then; We can have a conversation.
You should probably save the condescension, it doesn't make you come across the way you seem to think it does. I dont read your posts and think "experienced veteran with knowledge to offer" and i doubt any one else does either. You were literally the same guy complaining about the CM challenge the other day and even there condescending to posters offering advice to try and help you out. But hey what do I know, just another player clearly not on your level 😂
Again, respectfully speaking:
I acknowledge my disgust for the Rogue fight. It was not hard for me since i used most 2 on her. I did not like the mechanics of it and what was needed to suceed in the fight. I did the challenge succesfully to prove critica like you specifically.
The fact that I express my discontents for a fight and I ask for the reason of some nodes that make Rogue unnstopable almost all the time except for moments of 10 seconds that become 5 seconds does not make me a complainer. I specifically stated that I was even ok witht the IMIW fight which is the second hardest fight of the challenge.
Is she hulk a better champ today? yes
Is she a LOL option? Yes
Is she a top LOL option? No
Would I rank her ? Yes but no to 5/65
Finally, do I like to help? Yes i could help someone if needed.
Do Spend units in challenges? Sometimes. I am not a top player or a elite player. I am not an end game player anymore since I did not do the maze and I havent 100 percent Variant.
I just need to defend the top champs in the game because some people start false advertising champs and abilities.
Are you at my level? I do not know your roster and achievements but if you have completed every single challenge in the game from 2015 until now except the maze then you are.
Lol, so no sub 5 minute video. So no SL with out synergy can’t do what she hulk does with synergy, so you were wrong?
No i need a video of she ogre agaisnt another champ. She aint better than SL. I need she ogre vs maestro.
I soloed maestro with my SL with 260 hits so lets see if she beats that:
Yeah, 260 hits in, what, your 3rd or 4th go at him?
Nope do you need a screenshot of the fight half way too. Brahhh sorry to say but in 2025 you can speak to me about LOL. I will give you some advice. Just go and play LOL and 100 percent then; We can have a conversation.
You should probably save the condescension, it doesn't make you come across the way you seem to think it does. I dont read your posts and think "experienced veteran with knowledge to offer" and i doubt any one else does either. You were literally the same guy complaining about the CM challenge the other day and even there condescending to posters offering advice to try and help you out. But hey what do I know, just another player clearly not on your level 😂
Again, respectfully speaking:
I acknowledge my disgust for the Rogue fight. It was not hard for me since i used most 2 on her. I did not like the mechanics of it and what was needed to suceed in the fight. I did the challenge succesfully to prove critica like you specifically.
The fact that I express my discontents for a fight and I ask for the reason of some nodes that make Rogue unnstopable almost all the time except for moments of 10 seconds that become 5 seconds does not make me a complainer. I specifically stated that I was even ok witht the IMIW fight which is the second hardest fight of the challenge.
Is she hulk a better champ today? yes
Is she a LOL option? Yes
Is she a top LOL option? No
Would I rank her ? Yes but no to 5/65
Finally, do I like to help? Yes i could help someone if needed.
Do Spend units in challenges? i am not a top player or a elite player. I am not a end game player anymore since I did not do the maze and I havent 100 percent Variant.
I just need to defend the top champs in the game because some people start false advertising champs and abilities.
Are you at my level? I do not know your roster and achievements but if you have completed every single challenge in the game from 2015 until now except the maze then you are.
How is it false advertising a champ she literally killed him faster
I have to agree with @CapWW2 to some extent. It's pretty difficult to keep those furies up on your first try. You can really see how she excels in long fights but I feel like she's going to be in another Proxima Midnight situation based on her DPS conditions. You're also at the mercy of the AI when you build up your furies. If they refuse to use their specials despite having a couple furies it will screw up your rhythm. I imagine that she will be a pain to use on the armor phase of Oscillate. Besides, Hela can do what She-Hulk does too but more consistently.
She hulk has taunt after like 5 furies they basically use specials the moment they get them
These new kids never listen to the veterans Wow just Wow.
just interjecting here to say simply this.
still screenshots mean nothing.
if you took him in 260 hits great. good for you.
but there is only one way to prove it. and that is with a video.
still shots could be taken at any point. 1st fight, 5th fight, 100 hits after losing your combo.
could also be from anyones account.
people here are clearly not believing what you say and posting any screenshots is 100% impossible to prove you are right and therefore will never change their minds.
the only way to prove that SL can kill Maestro in 260 hits is to provide a video of it.
and the only way to prove it is you doing it is to have someone record you holding and using the device whilst it is doing the fight.
otherwise it could be anyone playing anyones account.
proof is irrefutable evidence.
you have not provided any.
not trying to annoy you just saying that showing proof is not as simple as a random SS.
Lol, so no sub 5 minute video. So no SL with out synergy can’t do what she hulk does with synergy, so you were wrong?
No i need a video of she ogre agaisnt another champ. She aint better than SL. I need she ogre vs maestro.
I soloed maestro with my SL with 260 hits so lets see if she beats that:
Yeah, 260 hits in, what, your 3rd or 4th go at him?
Nope do you need a screenshot of the fight half way too. Brahhh sorry to say but in 2025 you can speak to me about LOL. I will give you some advice. Just go and play LOL and 100 percent then; We can have a conversation.
Yeah, I’m not 100ing LOL, ever. The rewards are nowhere good near enough. I spent 1000 units completing with my 5/65 Sparky. Just did it for the t2a. I have nothing to prove to anyone. Never claimed to be more than I am. I’m sure not going to spend thousands and thousands of units to explore just so I can justify a condescending attitude. But, hey, you do you.
And no, while I think She-Hulk is powerful, she is far & away from the #1 Champion in the meta. Her ramp is fairly long, & is highly difficult to maintain. Plus, it’s not always about the long fights. Sometimes, you need someone hitting hard right out of the gate, like Sparky, Medusa, Hyperion, Cap IW, Ghost or Corvus. And sometimes you need utility beasts like Void, Voodoo, Venom or Killmonger, in order to counter certain mechanics.
It’s not always about how high you can ramp up a Champion, because a lot of times, you need something different. I doubt we’ll be seeing She-Hulk in high tier AW Attack or AQ Map 6-7. But I do think she’ll be exceptionally good for places like LoL, RoL & Big Boss Fights.
Her ramp up is long? She has the fastest kill of lol starlord I know it’s not short either though but she also has very unique utility such as stopping unstoppables and evades petrified etc
These new kids never listen to the veterans Wow just Wow.
just interjecting here to say simply this.
still screenshots mean nothing.
if you took him in 260 hits great. good for you.
but there is only one way to prove it. and that is with a video.
still shots could be taken at any point. 1st fight, 5th fight, 100 hits after losing your combo.
could also be from anyones account.
people here are clearly not believing what you say and posting any screenshots is 100% impossible to prove you are right and therefore will never change their minds.
the only way to prove that SL can kill Maestro in 260 hits is to provide a video of it.
and the only way to prove it is you doing it is to have someone record you holding and using the device whilst it is doing the fight.
otherwise it could be anyone playing anyones account.
proof is irrefutable evidence.
you have not provided any.
not trying to annoy you just saying that showing proof is not as simple as a random SS.
My friend tell me the champs you want on the screenshot yourself and i will put it on the 5 team to the left of the screen. Stop talking nonsense
These new kids never listen to the veterans Wow just Wow.
just interjecting here to say simply this.
still screenshots mean nothing.
if you took him in 260 hits great. good for you.
but there is only one way to prove it. and that is with a video.
still shots could be taken at any point. 1st fight, 5th fight, 100 hits after losing your combo.
could also be from anyones account.
people here are clearly not believing what you say and posting any screenshots is 100% impossible to prove you are right and therefore will never change their minds.
the only way to prove that SL can kill Maestro in 260 hits is to provide a video of it.
and the only way to prove it is you doing it is to have someone record you holding and using the device whilst it is doing the fight.
otherwise it could be anyone playing anyones account.
proof is irrefutable evidence.
you have not provided any.
not trying to annoy you just saying that showing proof is not as simple as a random SS.
My friend tell me the champs you want on the screenshot yourself and i will put it on the 5 team to the left of the screen. Stop talking nonsense
what? you say i am talking nonsense when you are talking complete nonsensical garbage.
all i am saying is people dont believe you.
they are asking for proof.
you are providing screenshots that show and prove nothing.
so either give up.
or get a friend to record you doing it and post it here.
Seriously what’s the argument here? It’s just like comparing whose e-peen is bigger.
Both Starlord and She-Hulk have their pros and cons.
Starlord will never survive a prolonged fight against a poison node and just one slip-up is enough to end whatever combo and damage boosts he has built up. But the reward is that his damage ramps up faster and hits harder with fewer number of hits.
She-Hulk is poison immune but requires a ramp up as well. In order to keep the furies up, she needs to be aggressive and rely on her furies to constantly get the defender to use their specials. As much as she has a taunt mechanic, specials with longer animations and opponents that can’t be parried might give her a problem as the furies might expire too fast (think GG, IMIW etc) as you get fewer openings. Not to mention the fights get trickier against Skill champions. Starlord doesn’t have such disadvantages.
In the video against Rulk or SL, both defenders have short animations for their sp1 and are easily abled to be attacked into after it.
Of course this is just comparing their damage output. There are other factors that affect every individual’s assessment and judgement on all champs, but that’s what makes the game fun.
Here’s how I would change her if I were the King of Kabam...
1- Replace her Fury buffs with Precision buffs. This would prevent her damage from increasing endlessly but still keep it at very impressive levels. It would also be more accurate to her character; She-Hulk has always been about using her strength intelligently and strategically where Bruce Banner is all about the limitless Fury.
2- The Slow Effect should be toned down; 100% Ability Accuracy Reduction for 12 seconds is outrageous, especially when it’s attatched to her Heavy Attack; It’d be more palatable if it came from a Special Attack. I also think it’s too potent and long lasting.
3- Her SP2 is ridiculously good; Power Lock and Heal Block for 15 seconds is godlike... If it must stay put it on her SP3 cause damn... 15 seconds!
why would you want to make her worse?
She is what she is...a long fight champ that's it - she requires you to be aggressive to get them to a bar of power etc. she's exactly what kabam wants - a champ that requires you to take a little risk for the big reward. that risk comes at a cost of getting wrecked and using potions.
no way she can do that as effective as against an IMIW or Corvus even. Champs with long specials that cannot be punished at the end of them as easily. Has nothing going for her to beat Medusa bosses but her ability to counter the unstoppable trend makes her worthy for champion bosses. anyway - what you're saying here is you want her to be the next carnage. no thanks, and literally no one will be enticed to use resources on her.
And no, while I think She-Hulk is powerful, she is far & away from the #1 Champion in the meta. Her ramp is fairly long, & is highly difficult to maintain. Plus, it’s not always about the long fights. Sometimes, you need someone hitting hard right out of the gate, like Sparky, Medusa, Hyperion, Cap IW, Ghost or Corvus. And sometimes you need utility beasts like Void, Voodoo, Venom or Killmonger, in order to counter certain mechanics.
It’s not always about how high you can ramp up a Champion, because a lot of times, you need something different. I doubt we’ll be seeing She-Hulk in high tier AW Attack or AQ Map 6-7. But I do think she’ll be exceptionally good for places like LoL, RoL & Big Boss Fights.
I agree. She is very fine and she seems to have a proxima midnight ramp up similar in time. However to sustain those furies for some fights in LOL it is not practical. For example, i will metion the fights she will struggle either to bad matchup or inability to maintain her furies on a timely manner:
Agent Venom,
Electro
Black Widow
Guillotine
Moon Knignt
Magik
Black Panther civil War
Netflix Daredevil
Blue Cyclops
X-23
Spiderman OG
Juggernaut
Maestro
So far all those champs above I beat up with SL except Electro. So people should calm down and lower the narrative a notch. The fact that she probably beat SL a little faster does not mean she is better for LOL
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Lmao are you on the beta? Have u experience how hard is to keep those furies up? Not every special is the sweet Star lord piece of cake sp1. Additionally the random evades mess up the mechanics. You have to be way too agressive and lucky. Nah I am all set. If the fury were permanent then I will be sold. I can sit around with my SL and wait and plam accordingly my attacks with no pressure. I can develop my combos the way I want to without pressure.
No I’m not in the beta, with synergy and maestro being tagged XL you should get 14+ second fury, his s1 is pretty easily counterable, if you can keep the fury against SL in theory you should be able to against maestro.
Also random evades can mess up SL combo, so he’s not immune there either.
Again you’re quoting me out of context, initially you said SL without mastery or synergy can do to SL what she hulk needs mastery and synergy for, which I said he can’t and has proven to be true. You’ve now changed the discussion to something else.
Regardless, the fact remains that She Hulk is now at least in the same conversation with Starlord whereas she was nowhere close to it just a few days ago.
This is genuinely a good argument to be having instead of the years long "who is worse, Gwen or SHulk?"
Nope do you need a screenshot of the fight half way too. Brahhh sorry to say but in 2025 you can speak to me about LOL. I will give you some advice. Just go and play LOL and 100 percent then; We can have a conversation.
Again, respectfully speaking:
I acknowledge my disgust for the Rogue fight. It was not hard for me since i used most 2 on her. I did not like the mechanics of it and what was needed to suceed in the fight. I did the challenge succesfully to prove critica like you specifically.
The fact that I express my discontents for a fight and I ask for the reason of some nodes that make Rogue unnstopable almost all the time except for moments of 10 seconds that become 5 seconds does not make me a complainer. I specifically stated that I was even ok witht the IMIW fight which is the second hardest fight of the challenge.
Is she hulk a better champ today? yes
Is she a LOL option? Yes
Is she a top LOL option? No
Would I rank her ? Yes but no to 5/65
Finally, do I like to help? Yes i could help someone if needed.
Do Spend units in challenges? Sometimes. I am not a top player or a elite player. I am not an end game player anymore since I did not do the maze and I havent 100 percent Variant.
I just need to defend the top champs in the game because some people start false advertising champs and abilities.
Are you at my level? I do not know your roster and achievements but if you have completed every single challenge in the game from 2015 until now except the maze then you are.
just interjecting here to say simply this.
still screenshots mean nothing.
if you took him in 260 hits great. good for you.
but there is only one way to prove it. and that is with a video.
still shots could be taken at any point. 1st fight, 5th fight, 100 hits after losing your combo.
could also be from anyones account.
people here are clearly not believing what you say and posting any screenshots is 100% impossible to prove you are right and therefore will never change their minds.
the only way to prove that SL can kill Maestro in 260 hits is to provide a video of it.
and the only way to prove it is you doing it is to have someone record you holding and using the device whilst it is doing the fight.
otherwise it could be anyone playing anyones account.
proof is irrefutable evidence.
you have not provided any.
not trying to annoy you just saying that showing proof is not as simple as a random SS.
Are you serious ?
after the look of the beta yes.
quite possibly yes.
Wow...trying my She-Hulk now
Yeah, I’m not 100ing LOL, ever. The rewards are nowhere good near enough. I spent 1000 units completing with my 5/65 Sparky. Just did it for the t2a. I have nothing to prove to anyone. Never claimed to be more than I am. I’m sure not going to spend thousands and thousands of units to explore just so I can justify a condescending attitude. But, hey, you do you.
unless u r in the beta test u cant.. lol
Her ramp up is long? She has the fastest kill of lol starlord I know it’s not short either though but she also has very unique utility such as stopping unstoppables and evades petrified etc
My friend tell me the champs you want on the screenshot yourself and i will put it on the 5 team to the left of the screen. Stop talking nonsense
what? you say i am talking nonsense when you are talking complete nonsensical garbage.
all i am saying is people dont believe you.
they are asking for proof.
you are providing screenshots that show and prove nothing.
so either give up.
or get a friend to record you doing it and post it here.
simples really.
Both Starlord and She-Hulk have their pros and cons.
Starlord will never survive a prolonged fight against a poison node and just one slip-up is enough to end whatever combo and damage boosts he has built up. But the reward is that his damage ramps up faster and hits harder with fewer number of hits.
She-Hulk is poison immune but requires a ramp up as well. In order to keep the furies up, she needs to be aggressive and rely on her furies to constantly get the defender to use their specials. As much as she has a taunt mechanic, specials with longer animations and opponents that can’t be parried might give her a problem as the furies might expire too fast (think GG, IMIW etc) as you get fewer openings. Not to mention the fights get trickier against Skill champions. Starlord doesn’t have such disadvantages.
In the video against Rulk or SL, both defenders have short animations for their sp1 and are easily abled to be attacked into after it.
Of course this is just comparing their damage output. There are other factors that affect every individual’s assessment and judgement on all champs, but that’s what makes the game fun.
why would you want to make her worse?
She is what she is...a long fight champ that's it - she requires you to be aggressive to get them to a bar of power etc. she's exactly what kabam wants - a champ that requires you to take a little risk for the big reward. that risk comes at a cost of getting wrecked and using potions.
no way she can do that as effective as against an IMIW or Corvus even. Champs with long specials that cannot be punished at the end of them as easily. Has nothing going for her to beat Medusa bosses but her ability to counter the unstoppable trend makes her worthy for champion bosses. anyway - what you're saying here is you want her to be the next carnage. no thanks, and literally no one will be enticed to use resources on her.
I agree. She is very fine and she seems to have a proxima midnight ramp up similar in time. However to sustain those furies for some fights in LOL it is not practical. For example, i will metion the fights she will struggle either to bad matchup or inability to maintain her furies on a timely manner:
Agent Venom,
Electro
Black Widow
Guillotine
Moon Knignt
Magik
Black Panther civil War
Netflix Daredevil
Blue Cyclops
X-23
Spiderman OG
Juggernaut
Maestro
So far all those champs above I beat up with SL except Electro. So people should calm down and lower the narrative a notch. The fact that she probably beat SL a little faster does not mean she is better for LOL