Mephisto times out as his damage is too low. Soul entrapment does not block Spite. L3 is usable only once for power drain per matchup.
All true, except I can still one shot him with an unduped r4 Mephisto. You guys are complaining far too much, you just haven’t figured out how to effectively beat him yet. My alliance has it down by day 3.
Start the fight without gaining power, without you heal, without your abilities, that is, Hyperion fills E3 and is over, this nod destroys what can be counter against him. Kabam lost his notion on the nodes of this Hyperion. Clearly want to see people spend up on the M5
With all due respect... Luke cage duped Iceman Ghost with hood Can all tank sp3
Hood Symbiote supreme Morningstar Void (with some luck on debuffs) All have abilities that nullify or stop his powergain
There's probably alot more than im just thinking off the top of my head! Map 5 is only 8 paths generally, so have a decidated person to bring a champ for hyperion, that's how we've managed to get through it (we run 665 so far this week)
That being said... Without a solid counter it is a very difficult fight! And the node cripples his main 2 counters in magik and void! And the rewards increase do not match the difficulty increase... Definitely think overall that emphatic lock node needs to be replaced by something else!
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Have you tried that iceman ?? Delete that list. Spite node make him like a clown fiesta
It's funny, all these science options and they're the class at a disadvantage for this week. How coincidental that the best options are hindered by the nodes then the next best options are hindered by the global node then any other good options are hurt by class disadvantage. I don't mind a challenge but once again it seems kabam released content without proper testing, poor form kalame
On first hyperion 1 tried use SW and take him to 35% left. On hyperion 2 used sparky 4/55 and take him to 45%. Overall.. I AM LUCKY. So many times this hyperion was on 3 bar power and my SW power steal and lock him. Same with sparky, 3 bar power and randomly heavy him. On hyperion 2, i dont know why this dude always hold block, it's like he know that his power gain with that spite make him easily troll me. Hyperion be like "take your time dude, i'm going to relax first by holding block. Eh, wow now my power is full, you died"
This guy works fine for me. What everyone doesn't have one? Power locks him the whole way.
It's all good saying that certain counters work/don't work, but when the chance of getting champions is random, that's basically saying tough luck if you don't have champions
There’s been 10 champs that have been listed as good counters, surely out of 30 people in the alliance, the alliance is going to have some of these champs. It’ll be a matter of ranking them up.
Has anybody tried quake yet? Quake should be great too, providing you bait out his initial power surge.
Mephisto times out as his damage is too low. Soul entrapment does not block Spite. L3 is usable only once for power drain per matchup.
All true, except I can still one shot him with an unduped r4 Mephisto. You guys are complaining far too much, you just haven’t figured out how to effectively beat him yet. My alliance has it down by day 3.
@XManBarry1 What is your starting AQ PI? From your earlier posts... maybe 7k at most? Let me know how day 5 goes, as that should be comparable to our Day 1. Also, please show me a solo shot on the 2nd Hyperion.
Mephisto times out as his damage is too low. Soul entrapment does not block Spite. L3 is usable only once for power drain per matchup.
All true, except I can still one shot him with an unduped r4 Mephisto. You guys are complaining far too much, you just haven’t figured out how to effectively beat him yet. My alliance has it down by day 3.
@XManBarry1 What is your starting AQ PI? From your earlier posts... maybe 7k at most? Let me know how day 5 goes, as that should be comparable to our Day 1. Also, please show me a solo shot on the 2nd Hyperion.
Yup, starting PI right at 7k. Looks like we’ll rank higher in AQ since the elite alliances can’t hack it. I’ll make a video next time I fight him and send it to you.
Doc ock works great. Spark can work. Symbionts supreme. Someone has to have those champs
I agree with you. There are plenty of counters. Kabam is giving us a challenge like many people have been asking to get.
Is it a challenge to have one of a half dozen champs (at most)? I fail to see the skill or challenge in that...?
Fights can still be won without using a hard counter. You have 10 people in a Battleground and 30 in an alliance. Surely at least 3 people have the counters. Just takes some strategy to organize BGs. If your alliance does not have these counters, Kabam is just trying to tell you that Map 4 is more at your current level.
Quicksilver nailed it. Instead of whining about how you can’t beat him on the forums, why don’t you take the time to strategize and organize a plan to beat him with your alliance. It’s not easy, but it’s doable.
Quicksilver said above that he’s only running map 3 though. My ally is still trying to find better ways to take down Hype, so not whining. But those who are not actually experiencing him firsthand should really refrain from commenting here. Unless of course, it’s their job to defend kabam in these forums.
Quicksilver said above that he’s only running map 3 though. My ally is still trying to find better ways to take down Hype, so not whining. But those who are not actually experiencing him firsthand should really refrain from commenting here. Unless of course, it’s their job to defend kabam in these forums.
Use Void and Mephisto, we’ve had success with them.
So far dr ock is also looking promising for us, my BG at least. Lol. Then there’s SW, and starky - although both RNG dependent. Don’t think we have a highly ranked void or mephisto in my BG - I definitely don’t have them as 5*.
Quicksilver said above that he’s only running map 3 though. My ally is still trying to find better ways to take down Hype, so not whining. But those who are not actually experiencing him firsthand should really refrain from commenting here. Unless of course, it’s their job to defend kabam in these forums.
Use Void and Mephisto, we’ve had success with them.
Doc ock works great. Spark can work. Symbionts supreme. Someone has to have those champs
I agree with you. There are plenty of counters. Kabam is giving us a challenge like many people have been asking to get.
Is it a challenge to have one of a half dozen champs (at most)? I fail to see the skill or challenge in that...?
Fights can still be won without using a hard counter. You have 10 people in a Battleground and 30 in an alliance. Surely at least 3 people have the counters. Just takes some strategy to organize BGs. If your alliance does not have these counters, Kabam is just trying to tell you that Map 4 is more at your current level.
If people didnt have any problem before this change then surely this means that the new map is harder right? If thats the case then rewards should scale with difficulty dont you agree?
Doc ock works great. Spark can work. Symbionts supreme. Someone has to have those champs
I agree with you. There are plenty of counters. Kabam is giving us a challenge like many people have been asking to get.
Is it a challenge to have one of a half dozen champs (at most)? I fail to see the skill or challenge in that...?
Fights can still be won without using a hard counter. You have 10 people in a Battleground and 30 in an alliance. Surely at least 3 people have the counters. Just takes some strategy to organize BGs. If your alliance does not have these counters, Kabam is just trying to tell you that Map 4 is more at your current level.
If people didnt have any problem before this change then surely this means that the new map is harder right? If thats the case then rewards should scale with difficulty dont you agree?
I disagree. This is a brand new map with new challenges that people just haven’t figured out yet. The old map was out for over a year, so the community had a looooong today me to master it. This map has been out for 2 days. It’ll take weeks or months for alliances to rank up the appropriate champs and practice to master and the new challenges.
The only thing that can make him a bs fight, at least for me, is that he’s not throwing his special attacks. I’ve fought him twice, and barely could do something, cause I try to make him throw his SP1, but no... he gains the power right dor his SP3... and after that, nothing to do hahahaha
This really need to be corrected; specially bc map 5 shouldn’t be this hard... IT’ S MAP 5!!
Doc ock works great. Spark can work. Symbionts supreme. Someone has to have those champs
I agree with you. There are plenty of counters. Kabam is giving us a challenge like many people have been asking to get.
Is it a challenge to have one of a half dozen champs (at most)? I fail to see the skill or challenge in that...?
Fights can still be won without using a hard counter. You have 10 people in a Battleground and 30 in an alliance. Surely at least 3 people have the counters. Just takes some strategy to organize BGs. If your alliance does not have these counters, Kabam is just trying to tell you that Map 4 is more at your current level.
If people didnt have any problem before this change then surely this means that the new map is harder right? If thats the case then rewards should scale with difficulty dont you agree?
I disagree. This is a brand new map with new challenges that people just haven’t figured out yet. The old map was out for over a year, so the community had a looooong today me to master it. This map has been out for 2 days. It’ll take weeks or months for alliances to rank up the appropriate champs and practice to master and the new challenges.
The only difference and diffculty is the miniboss hyperion on some really bad nodes. People have fought hyperion on spite and oscillate before so its not like we have no idea. Also I never found map 5 hard when I started it regardless of how long its been. Ask anyone who started map 5 a month before the new season and they will tell you that this miniboss is harder. There is a whole BG in my alliance that share this opinion.
1. Don't use a full 5 hit combo, parry and let him get to SP1 and bait it without triggering dexterity. 2. Be patient and don't panic, heavy to keep distance without triggering spite.
I've taken him down both days without any significant issues, as for RNG I just play it safe until I get the petrify, 1-2 hits at the most and parry back off.
A lot of alliances think map 5 is a cakewalk and snidely scoff at it as beneath them, this now shows that most of you are not equipped with the technical expertise, fight I.Q, roster depth and reflexes to deal with the problems at hand.
Adapt or move down to a map that is more your speed, or don't run map 5 the weeks Hyperion is the miniboss, I'm not saying this is not overturned or a problem, but we have to be realistic where we stand vis a vis the company and our collective ability in the face of the content, which will only get harder as time goes by.
This is not the end of situations like this, the days of simple attack and health increase nodes are over, all of those nodes in story quest that eroded your will and love of this game will be all over Alliance Quest now.
This will only get worse before it gets better and I write that with no glee, satisfaction or enjoyment.
Just with a grim and fatalistic acceptance of reality.
That proves nothing. You could of went in on him when he was 5% health.
So to counter my earlier arguments. Wanted to try my Hawkeye. R4 sig 40. Here is the first hype, map 5, had to basically not hit him for the first 25-30 seconds.
2nd Hyperion - let's see it. And that is a low score - what is your alliance PI presently? Not an attack, just stating that fighting a mini with 50% more health/attack is a bit different.
Doc ock works great. Spark can work. Symbionts supreme. Someone has to have those champs
I agree with you. There are plenty of counters. Kabam is giving us a challenge like many people have been asking to get.
Is it a challenge to have one of a half dozen champs (at most)? I fail to see the skill or challenge in that...?
Fights can still be won without using a hard counter. You have 10 people in a Battleground and 30 in an alliance. Surely at least 3 people have the counters. Just takes some strategy to organize BGs. If your alliance does not have these counters, Kabam is just trying to tell you that Map 4 is more at your current level.
If people didnt have any problem before this change then surely this means that the new map is harder right? If thats the case then rewards should scale with difficulty dont you agree?
The game evoloves and sometimes that means difficulty too. Kabam noticed that people are getting t4cc way too easy so they are trying to limit that by eliminating less worthy alliances from competing in Map 5.
So you admit they made it harder then?
Yes, I acknowledged that I have admiration for how they were able to pull it off. Their node choices for him are top notch. I haven't fought him but he must be relatively hard for lower alliances. Kabam knows what they're doing. Why do you think they haven't said a word on here when they have instantly responded to minor bugs like Ultron bleeding? They aren't looking to change this. Players can spend more or grind more. If they don't choose one they move up to Map 6 or down to 4. It's healthy to ensure people aren't taking advantage of AQ rewards.
So if they increase difficulty then surely they should increase rewards right?
The only thing that can make him a bs fight, at least for me, is that he’s not throwing his special attacks. I’ve fought him twice, and barely could do something, cause I try to make him throw his SP1, but no... he gains the power right dor his SP3... and after that, nothing to do hahahaha
This really need to be corrected; specially bc map 5 shouldn’t be this hard... IT’ S MAP 5!!
That was the first fight and he was annoying. When he oscillates, he just goes to the corner, I had to always maintain a bar and half just to knock the l3 off. Should not be like this on day two amid the awful war nodes.
The only thing that can make him a bs fight, at least for me, is that he’s not throwing his special attacks. I’ve fought him twice, and barely could do something, cause I try to make him throw his SP1, but no... he gains the power right dor his SP3... and after that, nothing to do hahahaha
This really need to be corrected; specially bc map 5 shouldn’t be this hard... IT’ S MAP 5!!
That was the first fight and he was annoying. When he oscillates, he just goes to the corner, I had to always maintain a bar and half just to knock the l3 off. Should not be like this on day to amid the awful war nodes.
Based on comparing our first Hyperion netting over 1 mil points, that puts your alliance at roughly 7500 prestige starting on day 3. That is a huge difference. R5 MS with 5 souls took two rounds of fighting for the 1st Hyperion for us, FYI, and that is with a class advantage. The second will be far worse.
The only thing that can make him a bs fight, at least for me, is that he’s not throwing his special attacks. I’ve fought him twice, and barely could do something, cause I try to make him throw his SP1, but no... he gains the power right dor his SP3... and after that, nothing to do hahahaha
This really need to be corrected; specially bc map 5 shouldn’t be this hard... IT’ S MAP 5!!
That was the first fight and he was annoying. When he oscillates, he just goes to the corner, I had to always maintain a bar and half just to knock the l3 off. Should not be like this on day to amid the awful war nodes.
Based on comparing our first Hyperion netting over 1 mil points, that puts your alliance at roughly 7500 prestige starting on day 3. That is a huge difference. R5 MS with 5 souls took two rounds of fighting for the 1st Hyperion for us, FYI, and that is with a class advantage. The second will be far worse.
I agree and that does make a difference. Kabam just throws diapers on the wall to see if it sticks. Pure reactionary, ALWAYS, with everything
He can be beaten, hypes been around for ages and so have the nodes he is placed on but my issue is with the commentary and feedback or lack thereof we have gotten from the devs. Rewards are the same yet this is a clear hike in difficulty, we keep getting updates to the AI, maps, nodes and defenders which When combined is upping the difficulty of all new content exponentially yet potions, rewards, energy requirements, war crystals, AQ crystals, calendars and the general economy when it’s comes to gold, shards, loyalty and resources remain stuck in 2017. If you’re going to ask us as the player base to commit more then it’s time you started looking at what we actually playing for and if it’s even worth the time.
Not that I agree with this way of using the player base as guinea pigs, but I think kabam would analyze the data from the first week and make adjustments.
Perhaps the number of items used will be beyond their expectations that they will dial Hyperion back. That’s a big “perhaps”.
Doc ock works great. Spark can work. Symbionts supreme. Someone has to have those champs
I agree with you. There are plenty of counters. Kabam is giving us a challenge like many people have been asking to get.
Is it a challenge to have one of a half dozen champs (at most)? I fail to see the skill or challenge in that...?
Fights can still be won without using a hard counter. You have 10 people in a Battleground and 30 in an alliance. Surely at least 3 people have the counters. Just takes some strategy to organize BGs. If your alliance does not have these counters, Kabam is just trying to tell you that Map 4 is more at your current level.
If people didnt have any problem before this change then surely this means that the new map is harder right? If thats the case then rewards should scale with difficulty dont you agree?
The game evoloves and sometimes that means difficulty too. Kabam noticed that people are getting t4cc way too easy so they are trying to limit that by eliminating less worthy alliances from competing in Map 5.
So you admit they made it harder then?
Yes, I acknowledged that I have admiration for how they were able to pull it off. Their node choices for him are top notch. I haven't fought him but he must be relatively hard for lower alliances. Kabam knows what they're doing. Why do you think they haven't said a word on here when they have instantly responded to minor bugs like Ultron bleeding? They aren't looking to change this. Players can spend more or grind more. If they don't choose one they move up to Map 6 or down to 4. It's healthy to ensure people aren't taking advantage of AQ rewards.
So if they increase difficulty then surely they should increase rewards right?
No. It's my belief that difficulty was "increased" to limit people from getting rewards that they were already getting. Kabam must have realized their system was flawed and stopping midtier players from having a nice stack of t4cc was the only way to fix it. This is so people don't have to beg for gold realms anymore since they won't have the catalysts as much.
If they really do that then the game will be boring, hard effort for minimum reward is not fun anymore.
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but... its ok.. new season so new adjustment...
This really need to be corrected; specially bc map 5 shouldn’t be this hard... IT’ S MAP 5!!
2nd Hyperion - let's see it. And that is a low score - what is your alliance PI presently? Not an attack, just stating that fighting a mini with 50% more health/attack is a bit different.
If you’re going to ask us as the player base to commit more then it’s time you started looking at what we actually playing for and if it’s even worth the time.
Perhaps the number of items used will be beyond their expectations that they will dial Hyperion back. That’s a big “perhaps”.