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  • Speeds80Speeds80 Posts: 2,013 ★★★★
    I do find it amusing how many people dont realise that a 9 figure company is trying to make as much Return on their investment as they can. Sometimes think kabam has fostered a slightly too entitled a gaming community, the offer is meh,
    Won't make a difference to the whale divide, maybe you guys who think it will should watch the 150 5* opening video that was live on the weekend, not one new champ, I suspect he has every champ in the regular crystal, his goal which he achieved was to try and max sig cap marvel and Nick fury (which he did)
    Definitely agree that the Increased inventory space is tasteless as we haven't seen an increase in this since pre 5* times and rankups materials and potion needs per champ revive have increased exponentially since then
  • Markjv81Markjv81 Posts: 1,026 ★★★★

    To be fair, the cost isn't terribly daunting. I can understand people not being able to spend because of whatever financial situation they have. If it's not spending on a matter of principle, can't really say much about that. I spend more than $10 a month on coffee.

    I don't think it's the cost that is the issue. I think it's the precedent everyone is upset about
    What precedent? That people who spend have an advantage? Just like they already do in AQ, AW, arena, summoner advancement etc etc
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189
    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,476 ★★★★★


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 7,328 ★★★★★
    edited July 2019
    Does not having this Sigil bar me from UC / Variant / A6 etc No.

    Does it affect what I’m currently doing? No.

    Should I be upset because someone who is willing to spend money gets more than me? No.

    What’s the fuss? 🤦🏻‍♂️

    It’s like seeing someone you know strike the lottery and expecting to get a share of it.
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
  • xNigxNig Posts: 7,328 ★★★★★


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
    True.

    Let’s say they go to the extreme and make the Sigil cost as much as an Odin.

    For that you get 1 quest energy per minute, 10 5* featured crystals for 11k 5* shards a piece, daily gold realms, 3x inventory limit increase, 4000 units.

    Will it affect the difference between the whales and F2P?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,476 ★★★★★

    Webby72 said:

    So, what can free 2 play players do with this?

    Nothing. That’s the point. To encourage spending.
    Webby72 said:

    So, what can free 2 play players do with this?

    Nothing. That’s the point. To encourage spending.
    They have to make money somehow to fund the game. Everything can’t be free.
    Haha you think that 10 bucks a month will help? Lol
    $10 a month, probably not much. $10 x X amount of Subscribers, quite a bit. If I had to venture a guess, this would most likely be the result of seeing the response to other Subscriptions like Units. These Offers tend to be successful.
    Don’t start. We all know Kabam already makes millions of bucks a month. Putting this behind a paywall was unnecessary, just greedy.
    So because they make Millions, that means they should stop selling Offers? Bit of a backwards logic there.
    I don't recall saying that, or anyone else for that matter. Nice job making sh*t up as usual. I guess making up random stuff is all you can ever do to support your arguments huh?
    You said they make Millions, so they shouldn't charge for this. What about their Net Income stops them from releasing Offers? You think because they make money, they should just give people what they want, when they want it? No. Your response was cavalier, and I don't mean the Title.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,476 ★★★★★
    xNig said:


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
    True.

    Let’s say they go to the extreme and make the Sigil cost as much as an Odin.

    For that you get 1 quest energy per minute, 10 5* featured crystals for 11k 5* shards a piece, daily gold realms, 3x inventory limit increase, 4000 units.

    Will it affect the difference between the whales and F2P?
    That's just it. There's a gap between F2P and Whales. That won't ever change. People that spend thousands and thousands of Dollars on the game will be much more advanced than people who don't spend. The sooner we accept that fact, the sooner we can stop pretending we're going to close that gap.
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189
    xNig said:


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
    True.

    Let’s say they go to the extreme and make the Sigil cost as much as an Odin.

    For that you get 1 quest energy per minute, 10 5* featured crystals for 11k 5* shards a piece, daily gold realms, 3x inventory limit increase, 4000 units.

    Will it affect the difference between the whales and F2P?
    It's not the whales, whales are a different category than this. The whale and FTP gap will always be there. This is effectively creating a caste system, and adding levels will further solidify that (I take the word "introductory" to meaning adding levels)
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189

    xNig said:


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
    True.

    Let’s say they go to the extreme and make the Sigil cost as much as an Odin.

    For that you get 1 quest energy per minute, 10 5* featured crystals for 11k 5* shards a piece, daily gold realms, 3x inventory limit increase, 4000 units.

    Will it affect the difference between the whales and F2P?
    That's just it. There's a gap between F2P and Whales. That won't ever change. People that spend thousands and thousands of Dollars on the game will be much more advanced than people who don't spend. The sooner we accept that fact, the sooner we can stop pretending we're going to close that gap.
    I agree, I think the discussion of whales has no place here, I can technically afford this and I am far from a whale
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,476 ★★★★★

    xNig said:


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
    True.

    Let’s say they go to the extreme and make the Sigil cost as much as an Odin.

    For that you get 1 quest energy per minute, 10 5* featured crystals for 11k 5* shards a piece, daily gold realms, 3x inventory limit increase, 4000 units.

    Will it affect the difference between the whales and F2P?
    It's not the whales, whales are a different category than this. The whale and FTP gap will always be there. This is effectively creating a caste system, and adding levels will further solidify that (I take the word "introductory" to meaning adding levels)
    We already have that within the game. There are Offers for specific demos, Offers that are Tiered, Offers that are a range of prices for both Units and Dollars. It's really not that groundbreaking. Aside from the Quest only accessible to those that subscribe, and the Inventory, it's really not that new.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,476 ★★★★★
    The base line for me is this doesn't create any significant gap between those that do spend and those that don't. 300 Units....I make about 1k a week. 125k Gold....about the same. Store....we have the Items in-game. Energy....fills a minute faster. Not terribly accelerating. What it will do is provide the indicated advantage that you get from purchasing it, and that's the whole point of buying it.
  • Incitatus666Incitatus666 Posts: 189

    xNig said:


    Lormif said:

    Slippery slope fallacy

    It also won't stop here, right now it's only $10 but before long the price and rewards will increase significantly more, this further widening the gap between PTW and FTP. They will inevitably lose a major portion of there members. SMH

    I beg to differ. It's only natural for a company to increase the prices and standards if there is sufficient income. yes my statement follow the SSA but do realize that not every SSA is a fallacy.
    That's pretty much open either way. They did indicate that prices are subject to change. With that comes the choice to pass, just like any Offer. None of these perks are necessities of game play. It's not a situation where people are obligated to purchase in order to play. They could very well increase them. People will either choose to buy them, or not. What doesn't make sense to me is why people are offended that they sell things.
    I am not sure why ppl get offended either, but i think its more of the idea that there will be increases and as of rn there is not a huge gap, in the future there may be
    True.

    Let’s say they go to the extreme and make the Sigil cost as much as an Odin.

    For that you get 1 quest energy per minute, 10 5* featured crystals for 11k 5* shards a piece, daily gold realms, 3x inventory limit increase, 4000 units.

    Will it affect the difference between the whales and F2P?
    It's not the whales, whales are a different category than this. The whale and FTP gap will always be there. This is effectively creating a caste system, and adding levels will further solidify that (I take the word "introductory" to meaning adding levels)
    We already have that within the game. There are Offers for specific demos, Offers that are Tiered, Offers that are a range of prices for both Units and Dollars. It's really not that groundbreaking. Aside from the Quest only accessible to those that subscribe, and the Inventory, it's really not that new.
    I've already mentioned that, the other stuff from this, like the store and what not is the same, the inventory and energy reduction is stuff we cant access no matter what unless you buy this
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,476 ★★★★★
    Well, yes. That's what they're selling. If I don't pay the Cover Charge at the Club downtown, I don't get in.
  • SknZnSknZn Posts: 442 ★★★
    it would be awesome if there is a option you can pay unit for that, i would love to give 275 unit for a month
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,722 ★★★★★

    To be fair, the cost isn't terribly daunting. I can understand people not being able to spend because of whatever financial situation they have. If it's not spending on a matter of principle, can't really say much about that. I spend more than $10 a month on coffee.

    I don't think it's the cost that is the issue. I think it's the precedent everyone is upset about
    Absolutely! It's not about the cost. It's about them putting a price on things that the community has been literally asking for, for years. Things that others said Kabam were correct not to integrate as they were a great startegy for their business model, to maintain balance.
    So because you have been asking for them means it has to be free? Most other games I know, you have to buy more space with game resources or money. Just because its been a popular topic for several of these things, doesnt mean they can't charge for them. Everyones been asking for free 5*'s since they came out and we have no problem paying for those.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,722 ★★★★★

    Webby72 said:

    So, what can free 2 play players do with this?

    Nothing. That’s the point. To encourage spending.
    Webby72 said:

    So, what can free 2 play players do with this?

    Nothing. That’s the point. To encourage spending.
    They have to make money somehow to fund the game. Everything can’t be free.
    Haha you think that 10 bucks a month will help? Lol
    $10 a month, probably not much. $10 x X amount of Subscribers, quite a bit. If I had to venture a guess, this would most likely be the result of seeing the response to other Subscriptions like Units. These Offers tend to be successful.
    Don’t start. We all know Kabam already makes millions of bucks a month. Putting this behind a paywall was unnecessary, just greedy.
    So because they make Millions, that means they should stop selling Offers? Bit of a backwards logic there.
    I don't recall saying that, or anyone else for that matter. Nice job making sh*t up as usual. I guess making up random stuff is all you can ever do to support your arguments huh?
    You said they make Millions, so they shouldn't charge for this. What about their Net Income stops them from releasing Offers? You think because they make money, they should just give people what they want, when they want it? No. Your response was cavalier, and I don't mean the Title.
    I don't care if they charge for this. If you had half the mind to look back at my previous posts, you'll see the only thing that bugs me is that they gated the Weekly Gold Realms behind a pay wall.
    For many, many months, F2P players have been saying how there is a gold drought, & we need weekly Gold Realms. What does Kabam do? Put the Gold Realms behind a pay wall. The rich get richer, & the F2P get nothing.
    It's 125k a week for cavalier... That's easily done in arena. It's really not that much.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 19,259 Guardian

    To avoid being all negative, here is what I'd like to see:
    1) more inventory space available for a one time payment would be fair.

    I mentioned veteran loyalty reward systems earlier. In one game I played, things like inventory space could be "rented" by using a VIP subscription, and when you stopped subscribing they would revert to the lower value. But they could also be permanently increased by using veteran reward tokens.

    The idea was to preserve the balance between "play" and "pay" in a VIP setting. If you want to pay, you can pay continuously to get certain things. But if you're a veteran, you can earn these things on a permanent basis through a different mechanism.

    People still grumbled about the fact that veterans had advantages over new players, but you have to pick your poison there.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,722 ★★★★★

    To be fair, the cost isn't terribly daunting. I can understand people not being able to spend because of whatever financial situation they have. If it's not spending on a matter of principle, can't really say much about that. I spend more than $10 a month on coffee.

    I don't think it's the cost that is the issue. I think it's the precedent everyone is upset about
    Absolutely! It's not about the cost. It's about them putting a price on things that the community has been literally asking for, for years. Things that others said Kabam were correct not to integrate as they were a great startegy for their business model, to maintain balance.
    So because you have been asking for them means it has to be free? Most other games I know, you have to buy more space with game resources or money. Just because its been a popular topic for several of these things, doesnt mean they can't charge for them. Everyones been asking for free 5*'s since they came out and we have no problem paying for those.
    Difference is, giving out free 5*s would break the game, adding weekly Gold Realms for everyone wouldn't.
    Neither will paying for that content either. Most anyone who complains about gold isn't great at resource management.
  • NeotwismNeotwism Posts: 1,803 ★★★★★
    Maybe I read the original post wrong, but arent the energy timers just changing from 6 minutes to 5 minutes? Everyone is complaining because basically 2 energy per hour is going to be behind a paywall and its going to destroy the balance of the game? Am I missing something? This small increase while a nice benefit doesnt seem like its a large enough amount to break the game. I know it adds up over time but it's still just 2 energy per hour more than someone who doesnt subscribe can do. A small energy refill would give u the same amount as waiting 2.5 hours with the subscription. Why are so many ppl fuming about it?
  • Bigg_DoggBigg_Dogg Posts: 128
    Guys, f2p literally means p2w. If you spend more than 2 hours a day on this game and you are f2p just keep doing that. This changes nothing. The p2w peeps let us play. We will never catch up with them. Make your own endgame.
  • GamerGamer Posts: 10,675 ★★★★★
    Neotwism said:

    Maybe I read the original post wrong, but arent the energy timers just changing from 6 minutes to 5 minutes? Everyone is complaining because basically 2 energy per hour is going to be behind a paywall and its going to destroy the balance of the game? Am I missing something? This small increase while a nice benefit doesnt seem like its a large enough amount to break the game. I know it adds up over time but it's still just 2 energy per hour more than someone who doesnt subscribe can do. A small energy refill would give u the same amount as waiting 2.5 hours with the subscription. Why are so many ppl fuming about it?

    It many the gold realms. But for any hardcore arena grind wont be Hav gold problem so no the perks either game breaking but somtimg is the item cap shuld all get. It unfair paying get abialry to hold more
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