I’ve read some of the comments and the counter comments. I have just 2 issues with this new “fix”. 1. This is a “shot gun” method that punishes all alliances for the poor behavior of a minority of alliances at the top. You know who they are. Punish them and don’t force honest alliances like mine to suffer because of cheating at the top. Unfair. 2. Many alliances only run map 5 and lower. Refunding our alliance coffers only 5 months back, with tickets we will never use is not an ethical business practice. We have much more resources than that. I understand that either way we wouldn’t be able to recoup them, so FAIR would be a total compensation for all resources in alliance coffers. Not just 5 months. Fair is fair. If this is about leveling the field then either punish the guilty and keep it how it is, or compensate alliances for the TOTAL amounts in the treasury.
At least players get to choose what resource they want to spend when purchasing tickets.
The problem is that we don't, the tickets work like the glory store so if you didn't want to pay with one of the 3 units then you would have to pay far more with the other 2.
At least you have a choice. Now you’re being forced to pay x Gold / x BCs / x Loyalty.
I’ve read some of the comments and the counter comments. I have just 2 issues with this new “fix”. 1. This is a “shot gun” method that punishes all alliances for the poor behavior of a minority of alliances at the top. You know who they are. Punish them and don’t force honest alliances like mine to suffer because of cheating at the top. Unfair. 2. Many alliances only run map 5 and lower. Refunding our alliance coffers only 5 months back, with tickets we will never use is not an ethical business practice. We have much more resources than that. I understand that either way we wouldn’t be able to recoup them, so FAIR would be a total compensation for all resources in alliance coffers. Not just 5 months. Fair is fair. If this is about leveling the field then either punish the guilty and keep it how it is, or compensate alliances for the TOTAL amounts in the treasury.
It would appear to me that between Corvus and donation dumps kabam feels they were not making enough money with map 7. So they have decided to screw over their entire player base with hopes it generates revenue
Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets
They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
I get where you're coming from, but when you donate to the Treasury, those resources become solely to open Alliance Quest Maps, and that's what Alliance Tickets.
It would be the same thing that happened if Map 5 became free without the new ticket system.
So how do you classify the equality in giving 5 months of donations when we were map 6 donating heavy and switched over to map 5 and now have a very healthy treasury? What happens to the rest of those resources?
You’ll get tickets to use in the future. If they rebalance map 6 without degen it’s really much better than map 5 ( this is coming from someone who despised map 6)
The AI is much better, no need to remember special attacks of all the doom bots, more aggressive AI (I know they’re going to look at this for map 5), better rewards and more points in the end.
Not a simple solution and I know most will disagree but it’s something. You can test map 6 while it’s free and see. Youll have the tickets and be fine. And it’s been pretty cheap to run map 5 how much would you get back (we do 12k bc a week for 6x4 and 150k gold, forgot how much loyalty)
The current system here seems a bit unfair to alliances doing different maps for different bgs since now one group will need to donate and use tickets to enter map 6 or 7 while another group doing map 5 or less will donate nothing yet still receive the benefits the other group put in for ranking and milestone rewards, whereas currently the donation cost is usually set by leaders and officers to be equal for all members.
Maybe if the cost to enter the maps was split between all bgs when at least one bg has a free map and another bg has a ticket map then this could be improved? So for example:
Three bgs do map 6: 15/15/15
Three bgs do map 5: 0/0/0
Two bgs do map 6 and one bg does map 5: 10/10/10 (so the guys entering map 5 would need to use 10 tickets to enter)
One bg does map 7 and two do map 5: 10/10/10
Two bgs do map 6 and one bg does map 7: 15/15/30 (I think the system should only apply when a free map is combined with a ticket map but you could also have it work in this scenario for 20/20/20)
One bg does map 7, one bg does map 6 and one bg does map 5: 15/15/15 (could adjust this to weight more towards map 7 such as 10/10/25 but either works)
Obviously not a perfect solution and there may be scenarios where this system could be exploited for cheaper donation cost but I think something similar to this would make it more fair since then the guys doing map 6 or 7 wouldn't be shouldering the entire donation cost by themselves while those in map 5 or below use nothing but receive more rewards than if all 3 bgs were doing map 5.
This is a change that is nothing but negative for the playerbase. Given the current state of the game, and kabams utter failure to communicate properly with its playerbase, I'm baffled how they could even remotely think this would be well received.
I’ll just keep posting this because it has to be a better solution.
Make every aq map free. If the main reason to not do that is a concern for developers making map 7 accessible to new accounts that isn’t really a deterrent imo. New accounts or players shouldn’t be able to complete map 7. If they choose to lock themselves into map 7 for that day and can’t complete that’s on them. Tbh it would probably be fun for newer players to at least get a little taste of high end aq so they can see how far they can get each week if they tried it out once in a while.
I agree with this post 100%. Just remove the AQ cost period. That way people can still stay with their friends and their won't be any breakups in alliances and collectively all 30 can negotiate what to run each week. People are now forced to either take a step up or a step back in what they play.
If you’re going to abandon your friends because of this then how good of a friend are you really?
If your friends allowed you to hold them back they're not your friends either? See it works both ways. A real friend is mature enough to let you move on do whats best for you.
1. you are killing the social part of the alliance because now it's every man to himself. players can't help their friends with donations when they need to (and I'm not talking about Merc dropping a massive donations). what will happened when during AQ someone run out of resources to buy ticket? will he stay out and ruin the AQ week for the entire alliance? will the alliance need to replace him during AQ? how leadership can tell if all members has necessary resource for the scheduled AQ?
2. you monitoring alliances that run mixed maps doesn't solve any problem. we already know there are many alliances that run mixed maps so why you need to "monitor it closely" before having a plan? why we need to get punished while you monitor something obvious? why can't you think on a way to handle it before releasing something that punished these alliances?
my alliance run map766. tell me what we should do while you are "monitoring". maybe you know something i don't...
I’ll just keep posting this because it has to be a better solution.
Make every aq map free. If the main reason to not do that is a concern for developers making map 7 accessible to new accounts that isn’t really a deterrent imo. New accounts or players shouldn’t be able to complete map 7. If they choose to lock themselves into map 7 for that day and can’t complete that’s on them. Tbh it would probably be fun for newer players to at least get a little taste of high end aq so they can see how far they can get each week if they tried it out once in a while.
I agree with this post 100%. Just remove the AQ cost period. That way people can still stay with their friends and their won't be any breakups in alliances and collectively all 30 can negotiate what to run each week. People are now forced to either take a step up or a step back in what they play.
If you’re going to abandon your friends because of this then how good of a friend are you really?
If your friends allowed you to hold them back they're not your friends either? See it works both ways. A real friend is mature enough to let you move on do whats best for you.
disagree. a good friend is a good friend first, and a good player second (and it's ok if not everyone are like this and have their personal goals first) i know many players in many alliances that LOVE the group they are in more than loving the game. in my opinion this is one big step in the wrong direction. Kabam don't understand what affect it's going to have on the social part of the game and how it's going to push players for retirements.
Good point noticed by someone above. Consider Map 6. Player A is skilled, but doesn't have time to do Arena and grind for donations. Has a decent amount of loyalty. On the other hand, Player B, his friend in the same alliance grinds a lot of arena. To help his friend out, he's willing to pay his donations for Gold and BC. This allows them to play together. With the introduction of tickets, it definitely has become every man for himself. You don't have the time to grind, can't ask an ally member to help you out. Someone has tons of extra resources? Can't help an ally member out. Screws over such people as well.
This was our alliance in Feb, years of building the treasury down the toilet. Dumb and dumber moves by kabam. People were paying for each other and trading, helping each other. Just putting this up here to know what a bs move this is. The allocation of treasury was to be left to the ally and its leadership, to adjust as needed and to help those who couldn't do the mad grinding needed to sustain aq. The ally was understanding and helped each other all these years. You guys take absolutely no feedback and spit on our faces overnight.
Give us back all the donations, atleast split it amongst the team.
@UmbertoDelRio I feel u! Ours was too. In case one day we might have a group that could map 6. We had 20 million in gold and crazy loyalty chips in our treasury
Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets
They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
Map 5 players should get a refund of donations, not tickets
They are refunding your donations in tickets if you only do map 5 you have no need for tickets....
They would never refund Donations. Any idea how intricate that would be or long it would take? Splitting it up is equally as unfair. Some donated more, some less, some not at all. When you give a Donation, you don't get it back. That much has been true for the duration of the game.
Not intricate at all, if they can track and datamine each players donations and which maps they ran for the past 5 months in order to issue the appropriate amount “AQ tickets” for this new system, they can certainly just refund each players individual treasury donations, which in turn the gold refunded would help allievate some of the “gold drought” in game and the retuned BCs/Loyalty could be used by alliances to purchase AQ tixs...
Right. So that will wrap up sometime in the Fall of 2021.
How lol? As far as I've understood, yhey're going to track your donations and run it across maps you've done to reduce the extra donations and refund it as tickets. How is that easier than refunding your individual donations? They have to get your individual donations anyways for the method they're using.
I'm not going to lie. This may be the end for me in this game. Honestly, the only reason I continue to play is that I can arrange to have donations dropped in a new alliance every season or two so I don't have to grind areans for BCs, or pay gold and loyalty to the treasury.
Gold is too scarce for me to drop 300K every 8 days AND be able to do a more than a trivial rank up weekly
BCs mean grinding. I HATE that game mode
Loyalty is one of the only ways to get certain boosts. Spending in for AQ is not my idea of a value.
And units is out of the question.
No, this change means that everyone now has to find a way to come up with donations themselves. And while this is certainly not an unfair request by Kabam, it means the those of us that have been burned out to some degree or another over the past several years will have to double down or quit.
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1. This is a “shot gun” method that punishes all alliances for the poor behavior of a minority of alliances at the top. You know who they are. Punish them and don’t force honest alliances like mine to suffer because of cheating at the top. Unfair.
2. Many alliances only run map 5 and lower. Refunding our alliance coffers only 5 months back, with tickets we will never use is not an ethical business practice. We have much more resources than that.
I understand that either way we wouldn’t be able to recoup them, so FAIR would be a total compensation for all resources in alliance coffers. Not just 5 months.
Fair is fair. If this is about leveling the field then either punish the guilty and keep it how it is, or compensate alliances for the TOTAL amounts in the treasury.
1. This is a “shot gun” method that punishes all alliances for the poor behavior of a minority of alliances at the top. You know who they are. Punish them and don’t force honest alliances like mine to suffer because of cheating at the top. Unfair.
2. Many alliances only run map 5 and lower. Refunding our alliance coffers only 5 months back, with tickets we will never use is not an ethical business practice. We have much more resources than that.
I understand that either way we wouldn’t be able to recoup them, so FAIR would be a total compensation for all resources in alliance coffers. Not just 5 months.
Fair is fair. If this is about leveling the field then either punish the guilty and keep it how it is, or compensate alliances for the TOTAL amounts in the treasury.
Map 5 is free now, so no gold cost and no tickets needed
The AI is much better, no need to remember special attacks of all the doom bots, more aggressive AI (I know they’re going to look at this for map 5), better rewards and more points in the end.
Not a simple solution and I know most will disagree but it’s something. You can test map 6 while it’s free and see. Youll have the tickets and be fine. And it’s been pretty cheap to run map 5 how much would you get back (we do 12k bc a week for 6x4 and 150k gold, forgot how much loyalty)
Maybe if the cost to enter the maps was split between all bgs when at least one bg has a free map and another bg has a ticket map then this could be improved? So for example:
Obviously not a perfect solution and there may be scenarios where this system could be exploited for cheaper donation cost but I think something similar to this would make it more fair since then the guys doing map 6 or 7 wouldn't be shouldering the entire donation cost by themselves while those in map 5 or below use nothing but receive more rewards than if all 3 bgs were doing map 5.
what will happened when during AQ someone run out of resources to buy ticket? will he stay out and ruin the AQ week for the entire alliance? will the alliance need to replace him during AQ? how leadership can tell if all members has necessary resource for the scheduled AQ?
2. you monitoring alliances that run mixed maps doesn't solve any problem. we already know there are many alliances that run mixed maps so why you need to "monitor it closely" before having a plan? why we need to get punished while you monitor something obvious? why can't you think on a way to handle it before releasing something that punished these alliances?
my alliance run map766. tell me what we should do while you are "monitoring".
maybe you know something i don't...
a good friend is a good friend first, and a good player second (and it's ok if not everyone are like this and have their personal goals first)
i know many players in many alliances that LOVE the group they are in more than loving the game.
in my opinion this is one big step in the wrong direction. Kabam don't understand what affect it's going to have on the social part of the game and how it's going to push players for retirements.
Consider Map 6. Player A is skilled, but doesn't have time to do Arena and grind for donations. Has a decent amount of loyalty. On the other hand, Player B, his friend in the same alliance grinds a lot of arena. To help his friend out, he's willing to pay his donations for Gold and BC. This allows them to play together. With the introduction of tickets, it definitely has become every man for himself. You don't have the time to grind, can't ask an ally member to help you out. Someone has tons of extra resources? Can't help an ally member out. Screws over such people as well.
Gold is too scarce for me to drop 300K every 8 days AND be able to do a more than a trivial rank up weekly
BCs mean grinding. I HATE that game mode
Loyalty is one of the only ways to get certain boosts. Spending in for AQ is not my idea of a value.
And units is out of the question.
No, this change means that everyone now has to find a way to come up with donations themselves. And while this is certainly not an unfair request by Kabam, it means the those of us that have been burned out to some degree or another over the past several years will have to double down or quit.
I don't see me doubling down at this point.