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  • NovaPolariNovaPolari Member Posts: 88 ★
    We started taking donations last week so we could start running map 5 within 2 weeks. I feel like my members just got the shaft. We have not even run map 5 yet and now it’s free and they can’t get their resources back? We will never run map 6. It would’ve been nice to have more notice about this so that resources would not be wasted in a situation like this.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,520 Guardian
    GroundedWisdom said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Kabam Miike said:

    I get where you're coming from, but when you donate to the Treasury, those resources become solely to open Alliance Quest Maps, and that's what Alliance Tickets.

    It would be the same thing that happened if Map 5 became free without the new ticket system.

    I honestly cannot shake the notion that the players got robbed here. Yes, players cannot recover the funds in the treasury once they are donated. I'm fine with that. But the funds in the treasury are theoretically spendable on maps, and that buying power has been erased. Any alliance that has built up a rainy day fund in excess of a week of donations just had it erased. Also, any alliance that stepped down from doing higher maps, like mine, don't have any recent donations. Our treasury just gets vaporized with no compensating return of tickets.

    I don't even do maps that require tickets, and I still can't help but thinking that player buying power existed, and now it doesn't, and that's very problematic for me. No one player is owed anything specifically, but the alliance as a whole has lost something. I feel like because the alliance lost and not individual players Kabam sees this as a victimless crime. But if the players collectively had more purchasing power yesterday than today, then the players have lost something, just something difficult to quantify.

    Don't get me wrong, I can see the impact this has on treasury dumping, and I'm all for that. And if my alliance has to lose its treasury with literally *nothing* in return (because we don't donate at the moment), then I can accept that as well. But if it makes me queasy, as probably the person with the most ice cold perspective on in-game resources, I'm thinking this is going to have quite the negative impact on many players.
    Are they giving Tickets to Alliance Members, or nothing at all? I haven't seen that answer.
    The part of the announcement I'm going off of is:
    Starting today, Alliances will no longer be able to donate to their Alliance Treasuries. On Wednesday, June 3rd, Summoners will receive an in-game message that contains a number of Alliance Quest tickets equivalent to their last 5 Months of Donations in excess of your regular Map costs, regardless of which Alliance you may have donated them to.

    So as I understand it, treasuries are going away, period, and no one is getting anything back from those. But separately, the game is going to look at your own personal donations from the last five months and which maps you personally ran in the last five months, and subtract the costs of the later from the former. Whatever is left is going to be converted into tickets as if you bought them, and sent to you.

    Although the phrase "regular Map costs" gives me pause. I'm wondering if they are going to datamine map costs throughout the donation period, or if they are just going to subtract the costs of running your current map from the datamined donations. Because if it is the latter, ho boy Ima going to stock up on popcorn for that day.
  • bdawg923bdawg923 Member Posts: 764 ★★★★
    edited May 2020
    Ye it's a ridiculous way to decide what to refund.
  • SarcasticTaurusSarcasticTaurus Member Posts: 446 ★★★
    I highly hope this isn't part of what CCP members were hyping either... but seems like a fail.

    The Game Team definitely know alliances are doing different maps and/or have a good rotation going on to place top 150/top 90 in AQ. Its seems to be all or nothing now. Hopefully they fix their horrible math though.
  • j_money1j_money1 Member Posts: 27 ★
    edited May 2020
    DNA3000 said:




    So as I understand it, treasuries are going away, period, and no one is getting anything back from those. But separately, the game is going to look at your own personal donations from the last five months and which maps you personally ran in the last five months, and subtract the costs of the later from the former. Whatever is left is going to be converted into tickets as if you bought them, and sent to you.

    Although the phrase "regular Map costs" gives me pause. I'm wondering if they are going to datamine map costs throughout the donation period, or if they are just going to subtract the costs of running your current map from the datamined donations. Because if it is the latter, ho boy Ima going to stock up on popcorn for that day.

    It sure reads as one of those scenarios. But even in the 1st scenario some people may still be unhappy with it. In the example of an alliance running 665 x5. The group that was running map 5 should have technically had lower map costs over those 5 months but they slightly overpaid due to the other two groups running map 6. This was considered fair at the time because
    1. they shared in all the rewards
    2. they ran an arguably easier map (a.i. notwithstanding).

    The refund will theoretically now refund their overpayment in the form of tickets while those people who ran map 6 &7 and had to put in more time for coordinating and possibly used up more resources will not get anything back in terms of refund tickets since they technically paid less than their individual map cost.

    Note that this only applies to mixed AQ and only in the first case where they go back and datamine the donation amounts and each AQ map you personally participated in. This seems like a lot of work though and I personally don't think they'll do it that way. It sounds more likely that they are just calculating the total cost of AQ based on what the alliance/alliances you were a part of ran each week, added together over the past 5 months and then compare that to what you individually donated over that time span. This helps those who overdonated in anticipation of future AQ or who simply felt generous with their contributions
  • T31T31 Member Posts: 16 ★
    Why would kabam take the treasure from Alliance’s. We had over 25 million in Gold last time I checked it costs Gold to Rank up.
  • A l p h aA l p h a Member Posts: 542 ★★★
    edited May 2020
    I think its a great idea to allow maps to cost all gold or all battlechips or you can freely adjust the cost for yourself to get them... But for those running mixed maps its unfair...

    Is there a way where alliances can buy tickets that are kept as an alliance total and then members can just use those to buy into maps... There must be a way to allow everyone to donate an equal amount for tickets into maps if they have different bgs running different maps... Otherwise a 665 alliance for example will have 20 map 6 players paying tons of donations and map 10 map 5 players paying nothing but benefitting from map 6 rewards for free.

    I know the reason they've done this is to stop donation droppers, but at the same time its kind of screwed honest alliances from playing mixed maps
  • YermawYermaw Member Posts: 26 ★
    Well done kabam you have completely ruined the game. Now I need to buy tickets to enter a map which is going to take all my resources so that mean people struggling with resources no more ranking up champs.
    Well done you should just leave the treasury in the game.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 5,710 ★★★★★
    I may have missed this part but will we still get gold bc and loyalty when we finish aq that day?
  • YeahReallyYeahReally Member Posts: 54 ★
    edited May 2020
    Now if I have a gold problem I won't be able to exchange them with BC, with an alliance mate
    So I will have 3 options
    Option 1: buy the tickets using BC, and more loyalty. But I am not gonna do this, because the price for a ticket is rising for every ticket you buy

    Option 2: to buy with units

    Option 3: to buy with money....
  • Wakandas_FinestWakandas_Finest Member Posts: 856 ★★★★
    zeezee57 said:

    Wakandas_Finest said:

    TheTalents said:

    Greywarden said:

    I’ll just keep posting this because it has to be a better solution.

    Make every aq map free. If the main reason to not do that is a concern for developers making map 7 accessible to new accounts that isn’t really a deterrent imo. New accounts or players shouldn’t be able to complete map 7. If they choose to lock themselves into map 7 for that day and can’t complete that’s on them. Tbh it would probably be fun for newer players to at least get a little taste of high end aq so they can see how far they can get each week if they tried it out once in a while.

    I agree with this post 100%. Just remove the AQ cost period. That way people can still stay with their friends and their won't be any breakups in alliances and collectively all 30 can negotiate what to run each week. People are now forced to either take a step up or a step back in what they play.
    If you’re going to abandon your friends because of this then how good of a friend are you really?
    Your friend runs map 5 and you run map 6, you can no longer share in the donations to make cost the same for everyone. Now your donations are going up and theirs are eliminated, its not a sustainable setup. You're not really given a choice in the matter now. Before you could choose to share the greater rewards of running the higher map with players running a lower map because the cost could be spread to everyone. Not really sure how this isn't obvious
    Oh it’s obvious I just don’t think it would be deal for a strong tight knit alliance. People will either step up and run map 6, step down and run map 5 or those that want to run the higher map eat the cost. At any rate I view it as an alliance problem not a kabam problem. You have plenty of time to sort things out including 2 weeks of completely free AQ. Just my opinion because I like the change and welcome the upcoming free map 5
  • AstronomicalAstronomical Member Posts: 26 ★
    Wakandas_Finest said:

    Astronomical said:

    I’m just gonna put my 2 cents in, literally no one asked for this.

    Not true tons of people have been begging kabam to do something about the rampant cheating and fraud at the top of the AQ leader boards. Now that they have people have new complaints smh. You realize the use of mercs and treasury dumps were the only way a lot of those top alliances have been able to remain at the top of AQ week in week out.
    As what FallDogBombsMoon said “Why not solve the issue by either punishing alliances that use treasury dumping practices - if you can track my donations to treasuries for the last 5 months this seems like a pretty doable solution...or get rid of donations for all maps”
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,672 ★★★★★
    Justapilgrim said:

    As a leader with not much else to do with my millions in gold I have always funded 50% of the gold for all of map 6 for the entire alliance. My gold donations were set at 150k for map 6 for over 1.5 years now and I always dump 20m to 50m in gold whenever I save it up. I was currently saving all gold crystals and premium, 3* and 4* hero crystals until the gold bonus week in December and was hoping to dump 100m into the treasury in one shot.

    I did this so my alliance could focus their gold on rank ups. This news is very depressing. So what happens to the extra gold I donated prior to 5 months ago? I donated a ton of gold in December during that appreciation week.

    Seems like by trying to fight the resource loaders we are all getting punished instead. Somehow Kabam algorithms can't figure out that people who join an alliance for 8 days, dump huge sums of resources into the treasury and leave were up to no good and ban them and remove the resources from the alliance? That seems a better solution than punish all of the people playing fair and by the rules.

    Not posting how much in resources each ticket costs on the sliding scale is also not good practice. We cant look at this ahead of time and figure out the best system to aim for and let our alliance members know what to aim for. We should have all of this info in front of us right now.

    They did post how much each ticket costs on the sliding scale. There is a link to a spreadsheet in the announcement.
  • JustapilgrimJustapilgrim Member Posts: 239 ★★
    LeNoirFaineant said:

    Justapilgrim said:

    As a leader with not much else to do with my millions in gold I have always funded 50% of the gold for all of map 6 for the entire alliance. My gold donations were set at 150k for map 6 for over 1.5 years now and I always dump 20m to 50m in gold whenever I save it up. I was currently saving all gold crystals and premium, 3* and 4* hero crystals until the gold bonus week in December and was hoping to dump 100m into the treasury in one shot.

    I did this so my alliance could focus their gold on rank ups. This news is very depressing. So what happens to the extra gold I donated prior to 5 months ago? I donated a ton of gold in December during that appreciation week.

    Seems like by trying to fight the resource loaders we are all getting punished instead. Somehow Kabam algorithms can't figure out that people who join an alliance for 8 days, dump huge sums of resources into the treasury and leave were up to no good and ban them and remove the resources from the alliance? That seems a better solution than punish all of the people playing fair and by the rules.

    Not posting how much in resources each ticket costs on the sliding scale is also not good practice. We cant look at this ahead of time and figure out the best system to aim for and let our alliance members know what to aim for. We should have all of this info in front of us right now.

    They did post how much each ticket costs on the sliding scale. There is a link to a spreadsheet in the announcement.
    I'll definitely look for that. Still not happy that I cant fund extra with my gold like I am now. Itd going to slow down the progression of my alliancemates for sure. I was only requiring 150k gold to run map 6x5.
  • crogscrogs Member Posts: 772 ★★★
    Rozay613 said:

    Also, why would we only get tickets for the last 5 months of donations? Our treasury has way more value than that. How is that a fair resolution? We run map 5 now but have a huge surplus from when we did map 6......

    Exactly.... Some of us paid in for years, and it's sitting collecting dust. I'd like my stuff back that's not getting used. We'll never use tickets so it's all gone to waste. Funny, because Ive been staring at our treasury as of late wondering if we'll. Ever have access to it, give it back to the people and such.
  • CurtisisGod1971CurtisisGod1971 Member Posts: 76 ★
    I’ve read some of the comments and the counter comments. I have just 2 issues with this new “fix”.
    1. This is a “shot gun” method that punishes all alliances for the poor behavior of a minority of alliances at the top. You know who they are. Punish them and don’t force honest alliances like mine to suffer because of cheating at the top. Unfair.
    2. Many alliances only run map 5 and lower. Refunding our alliance coffers only 5 months back, with tickets we will never use is not an ethical business practice. We have much more resources than that.
    I understand that either way we wouldn’t be able to recoup them, so FAIR would be a total compensation for all resources in alliance coffers. Not just 5 months.
    Fair is fair. If this is about leveling the field then either punish the guilty and keep it how it is, or compensate alliances for the TOTAL amounts in the treasury.
  • xNigxNig Member Posts: 7,329 ★★★★★
    limeade32 said:

    xNig said:

    Awesome change.

    At least players get to choose what resource they want to spend when purchasing tickets.

    The problem is that we don't, the tickets work like the glory store so if you didn't want to pay with one of the 3 units then you would have to pay far more with the other 2.
    At least you have a choice. Now you’re being forced to pay x Gold / x BCs / x Loyalty.
  • CurtisisGod1971CurtisisGod1971 Member Posts: 76 ★
    I’ve read some of the comments and the counter comments. I have just 2 issues with this new “fix”.
    1. This is a “shot gun” method that punishes all alliances for the poor behavior of a minority of alliances at the top. You know who they are. Punish them and don’t force honest alliances like mine to suffer because of cheating at the top. Unfair.
    2. Many alliances only run map 5 and lower. Refunding our alliance coffers only 5 months back, with tickets we will never use is not an ethical business practice. We have much more resources than that.
    I understand that either way we wouldn’t be able to recoup them, so FAIR would be a total compensation for all resources in alliance coffers. Not just 5 months.
    Fair is fair. If this is about leveling the field then either punish the guilty and keep it how it is, or compensate alliances for the TOTAL amounts in the treasury.
  • Knorr7227Knorr7227 Member Posts: 187 ★
    Planc2007 said:

    Also does individual people need tickets to join map 6? Or do the tickets all go into a pot for the alliance?

    So if map 5 is ran do the people who do the map 5 BG need tickets?

    Each individual player participating in map 6 or 7, is responsible for buying their own tickets to get into AQ..

    Map 5 is free now, so no gold cost and no tickets needed
  • Rozay613Rozay613 Member Posts: 2 ★
    Kabam Miike said:

    I get where you're coming from, but when you donate to the Treasury, those resources become solely to open Alliance Quest Maps, and that's what Alliance Tickets.

    It would be the same thing that happened if Map 5 became free without the new ticket system.

    So how do you classify the equality in giving 5 months of donations when we were map 6 donating heavy and switched over to map 5 and now have a very healthy treasury? What happens to the rest of those resources?
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