Do you think that this AW season matchmaking makes any sense at all?

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  • TheTalentsTheTalents Member Posts: 2,254 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Yes

    Based on this polling their is only a small minority of individuals that feel that the system is unfair. It would then be foolish to go back to the old ways and appease the few.

    The Poll doesn't represent all the people affected by this.
    Yeah Polls are sample sizes, we know this already. That doesn't change my response or the overwhelming support in numbers. You stand alone 9 times out of 10, just embrace it.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
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    Based on this polling their is only a small minority of individuals that feel that the system is unfair. It would then be foolish to go back to the old ways and appease the few.

    The Poll doesn't represent all the people affected by this.
    Yeah Polls are sample sizes, we know this already. That doesn't change my response or the overwhelming support in numbers. You stand alone 9 times out of 10, just embrace it.
    You think it's about me? You think a Poll majority takes away the negative effects that these people are facing? No to either.
  • hungryhungrybbqhungryhungrybbq Member Posts: 2,219 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Yes
    Also, I think the mismatches are winding down already anyway. I'll wait a little longer to see for sure, but we've just matched a relatively even alliance.
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  • Speeds80Speeds80 Member Posts: 2,017 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Yes
    Here’s my matchup exp, for my 30m 3bg 65555 (so mid range alliance,) bearing in mind we had been stuck in silver 1and last two seasons winning over half and moving down in rankings.
    War 1 10m g3 alliance, easy easy win.
    War 2 20m g2 alliance, easy easy win,
    war 3 25m g2 alliance, very very close war. Just won.
    War 4 28m g2 Aliiance, close loss
    Because of loss we dropped and caught a 19m alliance, they were ex gold 3 and we played low item and actually had to scramble for the win And use items when they kept reviving and took all bosses with 80 deaths
    Now we have a 23m gold 2 alliance today
    Anybody saying I should feel bad for the easy wins has to realise that every single one of these alliances displaced me by several brackets in the last system of wars and got much higher Season rewards than me, are they proving their skill? no every single one of them has had over 70 deaths on the map

    Is the matchmaking system correcting? Yes clearly, but the ups and downs from each win or loss are still much higher than they will be when this system resets itself, I remind you we had 10 seasons of this same system, it worked.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,634 Guardian
    Yes
    Speeds80 said:

    For the sake of a rounded view I have come up with 2 ideas that I think could have worked/ could help the outliers we will continue to see from new alliances. I posted them in one of the many threads here but didn’t get a chance to see any feedback.

    1) I think kabam could have rolled out the adjustment period off season, but given all alliances the winning amount of shards for losing or winning to encourage everybody to participate and get their correct level outside of season, leaving the top alliances locked like they are, but the mid ranges would have competed for a better start to the season with a better multiplier. And the inflated alliances could have had their bubble popped while collecting shards and not losing their season rewards, (we probably would have still seen complaints like this but for those not realising how inflated their rewards are but definitely a lesser extent.

    2) I think newly formed alliances should get matches within 50% of their prestige for 5 wars, then they are on their own. this is to stop the ugly ones we see where a true noob alliance has to face an unranked newly formed vet alliance

    As I wonder if some relaxed vet alliances annoyed at the new much harder maps might just flag season rewards and form an alliance where they can win tons of wars with zero items and just collect win shards until they hit their actual plateau.

    Option one looks good on paper, but we know with absolute certainty it wouldn't have worked because we know with absolute certainty that in the past alliances were willing to deliberately lose during the off season, forfeiting the victory rewards, to jockey their rating into a better starting position for the start of the actual season. So we know with absolute certainty that if Kabam asked everyone to participate as if it was a real season but didn't have season rewards, many alliances would instead take the opportunity to use it to manipulate rating in their favor.

    Option two makes a trade. If you put in any prestige limit, whether it is 50% or any other amount, one of two things will happen. The limit will allow that alliance to win more wars than they would have, or it wouldn't. If it is too high and they don't win any more wars, it is irrelevant. If it is narrow enough that they don't always lose, then you're allowing them to win more wars than they ought to, score more points than they ought to, and thus enter a higher bracket than they would have otherwise. And every alliance that enters a higher bracket than they should is an alliance being bumped into a lower bracket than they would have. It seems like a free thing because you don't know who that alliance is. But suppose I did the calculations and figured out which alliance that was. Or alliances, because it could be more than one if the other alliance jumped upward more than one bracket (which would bump one alliance each down one bracket). What do you tell them, and how do you justify this trade? That's not a trade I would make.
  • MattyPerlerMattyPerler Member Posts: 91 β˜…
    This matchmaking is nonsense
    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.
  • fallenp0etfallenp0et Member Posts: 62 β˜…
    Ya_Boi_28 said:

    AlexBossu said:

    AlexBossu said:

    How can you expect better rewards than an alliance you can not beat? This post is a nonsense. Stop beeing selfish.

    If this post is nonsense then 70% of this game is nonsense. And that includes you as well.
    Is this an insult? Moderators, pls take care of this annoying kids
    Grow up cry baby.
    Aren't you the one complaining?
    Am I? Forums are for what then? For sure not to see some dumb people like you guys. When you create a poll do you simply ask yes and no? Oh sorry I forgot. You people don't even know what is the significance of a public poll.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
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    Frosty said:

    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.

    Why do people focus on alliance rating or summoner rating? It's an irrelevant number that can be manipulated by selling champs.

    We have a war rating for a reason. You win rating goes up, you lose rating goes down. Best alliances rise to the top, its as easy as that. If you can't beat an alliance you don't deserve to be higher rated.

    All the whiners sound like they only want to play little league for major league rewards. I have no problem playing against bigger alliances as long as if i win i will be rightly rewarded.
    Stop and think about that. 130k against 1 Mil average. That's not just a number. That's a huge sign something is wrong.
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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
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    Lormif said:

    Frosty said:

    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.

    Why do people focus on alliance rating or summoner rating? It's an irrelevant number that can be manipulated by selling champs.

    We have a war rating for a reason. You win rating goes up, you lose rating goes down. Best alliances rise to the top, its as easy as that. If you can't beat an alliance you don't deserve to be higher rated.

    All the whiners sound like they only want to play little league for major league rewards. I have no problem playing against bigger alliances as long as if i win i will be rightly rewarded.
    Stop and think about that. 130k against 1 Mil average. That's not just a number. That's a huge sign something is wrong.
    For someone who does not want to debate it, you sure are debating a lot. In addition it is not a huge sign something is wrong, what was their war rating? the 130k alliance more than likely had an higher than they should rating due to too easy battles in previous wars.
    I wasn't going to but I'm getting fed up with seeing the same dissociative justifications for some pretty serious gaps between Alliances. The War Rating means nil at this point. Absolutely nothing because we just spent however many Seasons with a different system working. Saying they're equally Matched because those are close is just plain ignorant at this stage. A 900k Matched with a 19 Mil? 130k avg. against a 1 Mil avg.? Enough is enough with pretending everything is as it should be.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
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    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Frosty said:

    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.

    Why do people focus on alliance rating or summoner rating? It's an irrelevant number that can be manipulated by selling champs.

    We have a war rating for a reason. You win rating goes up, you lose rating goes down. Best alliances rise to the top, its as easy as that. If you can't beat an alliance you don't deserve to be higher rated.

    All the whiners sound like they only want to play little league for major league rewards. I have no problem playing against bigger alliances as long as if i win i will be rightly rewarded.
    Stop and think about that. 130k against 1 Mil average. That's not just a number. That's a huge sign something is wrong.
    For someone who does not want to debate it, you sure are debating a lot. In addition it is not a huge sign something is wrong, what was their war rating? the 130k alliance more than likely had an higher than they should rating due to too easy battles in previous wars.
    I wasn't going to but I'm getting fed up with seeing the same dissociative justifications for some pretty serious gaps between Alliances. The War Rating means nil at this point. Absolutely nothing because we just spent however many Seasons with a different system working. Saying they're equally Matched because those are close is just plain ignorant at this stage. A 900k Matched with a 19 Mil? 130k avg. against a 1 Mil avg.? Enough is enough with pretending everything is as it should be.
    So you are saying brackets in competitions, which war rating simulates in a non single.double elimination competition means nothing?

    It shows skill. It shows that when matched with evenly matched (in terms of power), or greater than they beat them or lost to them, and it represents that as they beat those opponents they kept winning, or as they lost and lost to easier and easier opponents they kept losing. It is the closest representation to skill the game can have.

    obviously has as been stated repeatably it will take some time for this to work itself out. You are focused on the short term not the long term.
    No. I'm focused on the here and now, and person after person keeps pointing out some undeniable and substantial variations in strength NOW, and they can't just be ignored or brushed off for a future outcome. My patience for the denial is quite frankly at its end. These Matches are absolutely ridiculous in some cases, and it's time to stop pretending there's nothing to see here.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
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    Frosty said:

    Frosty said:

    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.

    Why do people focus on alliance rating or summoner rating? It's an irrelevant number that can be manipulated by selling champs.

    We have a war rating for a reason. You win rating goes up, you lose rating goes down. Best alliances rise to the top, its as easy as that. If you can't beat an alliance you don't deserve to be higher rated.

    All the whiners sound like they only want to play little league for major league rewards. I have no problem playing against bigger alliances as long as if i win i will be rightly rewarded.
    Stop and think about that. 130k against 1 Mil average. That's not just a number. That's a huge sign something is wrong.
    I'm not saying it was an even war. I'm saying alliance rating is not a way to judge how skilled people are at war.

    War rating is how wars are now matched as it directly shows which alliance deserves the highest rank.
    Even is one thing. Overpowered beyond one side having a fair chance of winning is another.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Yes

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Frosty said:

    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.

    Why do people focus on alliance rating or summoner rating? It's an irrelevant number that can be manipulated by selling champs.

    We have a war rating for a reason. You win rating goes up, you lose rating goes down. Best alliances rise to the top, its as easy as that. If you can't beat an alliance you don't deserve to be higher rated.

    All the whiners sound like they only want to play little league for major league rewards. I have no problem playing against bigger alliances as long as if i win i will be rightly rewarded.
    Stop and think about that. 130k against 1 Mil average. That's not just a number. That's a huge sign something is wrong.
    For someone who does not want to debate it, you sure are debating a lot. In addition it is not a huge sign something is wrong, what was their war rating? the 130k alliance more than likely had an higher than they should rating due to too easy battles in previous wars.
    I wasn't going to but I'm getting fed up with seeing the same dissociative justifications for some pretty serious gaps between Alliances. The War Rating means nil at this point. Absolutely nothing because we just spent however many Seasons with a different system working. Saying they're equally Matched because those are close is just plain ignorant at this stage. A 900k Matched with a 19 Mil? 130k avg. against a 1 Mil avg.? Enough is enough with pretending everything is as it should be.
    So you are saying brackets in competitions, which war rating simulates in a non single.double elimination competition means nothing?

    It shows skill. It shows that when matched with evenly matched (in terms of power), or greater than they beat them or lost to them, and it represents that as they beat those opponents they kept winning, or as they lost and lost to easier and easier opponents they kept losing. It is the closest representation to skill the game can have.

    obviously has as been stated repeatably it will take some time for this to work itself out. You are focused on the short term not the long term.
    No. I'm focused on the here and now, and person after person keeps pointing out some undeniable and substantial variations in strength NOW, and they can't just be ignored or brushed off for a future outcome. My patience for the denial is quite frankly at its end. These Matches are absolutely ridiculous in some cases, and it's time to stop pretending there's nothing to see here.
    "hear and now", aka short term. you are concerned about short term loses, and loses is what it is, which will still net them better rewards than they deserve or the rewards that they deserve.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
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    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Frosty said:

    My alliance with average summoner rating 130k just matched with an alliance with an average rating of almost 1 million. The matching doesn't make sense at all.

    Why do people focus on alliance rating or summoner rating? It's an irrelevant number that can be manipulated by selling champs.

    We have a war rating for a reason. You win rating goes up, you lose rating goes down. Best alliances rise to the top, its as easy as that. If you can't beat an alliance you don't deserve to be higher rated.

    All the whiners sound like they only want to play little league for major league rewards. I have no problem playing against bigger alliances as long as if i win i will be rightly rewarded.
    Stop and think about that. 130k against 1 Mil average. That's not just a number. That's a huge sign something is wrong.
    For someone who does not want to debate it, you sure are debating a lot. In addition it is not a huge sign something is wrong, what was their war rating? the 130k alliance more than likely had an higher than they should rating due to too easy battles in previous wars.
    I wasn't going to but I'm getting fed up with seeing the same dissociative justifications for some pretty serious gaps between Alliances. The War Rating means nil at this point. Absolutely nothing because we just spent however many Seasons with a different system working. Saying they're equally Matched because those are close is just plain ignorant at this stage. A 900k Matched with a 19 Mil? 130k avg. against a 1 Mil avg.? Enough is enough with pretending everything is as it should be.
    So you are saying brackets in competitions, which war rating simulates in a non single.double elimination competition means nothing?

    It shows skill. It shows that when matched with evenly matched (in terms of power), or greater than they beat them or lost to them, and it represents that as they beat those opponents they kept winning, or as they lost and lost to easier and easier opponents they kept losing. It is the closest representation to skill the game can have.

    obviously has as been stated repeatably it will take some time for this to work itself out. You are focused on the short term not the long term.
    No. I'm focused on the here and now, and person after person keeps pointing out some undeniable and substantial variations in strength NOW, and they can't just be ignored or brushed off for a future outcome. My patience for the denial is quite frankly at its end. These Matches are absolutely ridiculous in some cases, and it's time to stop pretending there's nothing to see here.
    "hear and now", aka short term. you are concerned about short term loses, and loses is what it is, which will still net them better rewards than they deserve or the rewards that they deserve.
    Losses have nothing to do with it. You've asserted that repeatedly and I keep telling you it's not about the Loss. If an Alliance fights a fair fight and loses, that's not the same. When the Loss is set up by the Matchmaking itself, that is NOT a fair contest.
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