**RESOLVED ISSUE WITH SIDE QUEST KEYS**
The game team has resolved this issue. Keys will be distributed via in-game messages and the quest timer will be extended.
More information and timeline here.
*This includes currently unclaimable keys as well*
**WINTER OF WOE - BONUS OBJECTIVE POINT**
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.

Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

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  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Posts: 5,017 ★★★★★
    Siliyo said:

    Hey guys, remember. R5 6*s will be coming soon. You may need 5 of those for the next title

    After I finish Carina's Challenges (Two left, just waiting on the darn t4cc for my rankups), I will have 2 t6b and 2 t3a. I already have 2 r4s, so I will only need 1 more of each cat, then I can get the title. So long as r4 resources become more available, this really doesn't feel like a big deal. I'd like to get another ____ of Legends that has 3t6b and 3t3a in rewards so FTP players can get Paragon by doing just content without units offers, but it's not that big of a deal either way.

    What else have you done?
    Literally everything in the game including SoP all milestones and Gauntlet. I also used to spend a fair bit but I stopped spending completely in February and unless I can pick up 1 t6b and T3A for 100 bucks or less for spring cleaning, I don’t see myself spending again.
    Carina’s Challenges Vol 2 is the last thing I have to do. I would’ve done it already but I went 40+ featured six star crystals with no Knull and 20+ featured five stars with no Knull, only pulling him this Monday.
  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Posts: 2,032 ★★★★★

    Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
    TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

    But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
    But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
    Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

    I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
    Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

    I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

    You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
    You missed the point by mile like always. Why isn't demotivating??? Progression titles has been gated behind story content. TB was gated behind champ rank up wall. Understandable.
    But why new titel is being factorized behind PvP??? I never said to give war title to gold rank ally. I never said to factorize the war title in single mode content.
    It's the direction of game I am unhappy with. I am not sad that I will not get the title on day one. I am sad because it's doesn't give fair and equal shot when it's kind of gated behind competitive mode. Don't get me wrong here. I meant to say that they wanna raise the difficulty but they only have taken spending and competitive mode in evaluation when PROGRESSION TITLE should ans always been gated to solo mode regardless of AW/Aq. They used to add some bits to it but wasn't a factor behind it.
    So a player who have done all the content necessary to get r4 materials, had to be in like top alliances like top 20. So you mean this new title should only be exclusive to only 600 players meanwhile disregarding the SKILL factor????? Monetizing the Solo mode with includance of competitive mode with regards of spending too. Does it look like PROGRESSION TITLE OR TITLE made for very ELITE SPENDERS.

    I can only guess that you may be in high tier war like p1 or masters alliance. And we already have issue of war cost at the hand. which ironically dealing with same issue. So can you tell me how much of SKILL factor is taken in acount rather than SPENDING when we talk about while community instead of certain group of spenders.
    Why the hell AW/Aq are benchmark for justification of Story mode title???? It doesn't make any sense except the spending. Would you will be happy if War titles are distributed if suddenly solo mode is taken into consideration. Will you justify it lol
    I am not currently in P1 or masters and I only have 1 R4 right now and I am a huge spender by most definitions. You're wanting to fit where you are in the game to the title presented. Just like Thronebreaker was available to those that did abyss and act 6 100% and had a R3, they did things others weren't wanting to do or willing to do. But these days, we are seeing TBs at level 56 because the mats are so much easier to come by.

    There isn't anything different in this title vs TB. The day 1 release isn't meant for a wide majority but for those that are at the top because there is way less for them in the game to strive for. All they have is top tier AQ and AW to do. Also, AW and AQ aren't the benchmark for this title, it's just part of it because there is constant R4 mats in rewards.

    There are F2P out there with 3 R4's, may not be as many as spenders but it's still possible. At some point we'll all be paragon and the same groups will be complaining about the requirements for the next title to be released.
    You yourself said that TB was achieveable when it came. Even I did abyss for TB rank up. But you either missed or didn't wanted to point out one crucial thing. Let me remind you then. Alliances played 0 role, spending played 0 role. It was the content which had ability to present the title. AOL completion guarantees r3 rank up. Exploring act 6 gives 2nd r3. And if rng is in favour one can actually r3 their 3rd 6 star. Aq/Aw didn't mattered in it at all, as it was solo content title. That was the situation during TB introduction.

    Now you emphasis on TOP too much. Let me remind you there are giants in gold and plat alliances. They don't compete due many reasons. Now let's come to your next point. People have more than 4 r4 6 star champs atm. Everyone know how they got it. Tiny bit of only r4 materials were present before. Only this season we saw that much of increase in r4 material in season rewards. So please enlighten me how, this is can be actually taken in account yo accumulat the r4 materials???? When New title drops, only people who have spend will be able to achieve it.
    And now to your another aspect of your so called TOP meta. Realistically TOP 20 aw alliances are one who will get the r4 materials in good amount even top 5 I should say. So not everyone can compete their due to alliances politics( like new player joining, one not getting alliance etc etc which are behavioural aspects). And you are justifying the aim of this along with devs on a title which is actually a solo content in nature?????
    There are many players who have done 100% of content but no in top alliances (top20). So according to you, they are not worth it?? They don't deserve it?? How the hell aim of solo content can be reflected through ALLIANCE MODES which are totally different.

    And I even haven't touched the issue of calculation of resources based upon temporary last events for a future progression 😶😶😶😶

    It's clearly indicating that immediate benefit are monopolized by only spenders in solo mode progression with nearly impossible chance to provide the same to F2Ps. If it was about Competitive mode I would have agreed but it's not. Solo content is is called SOLO due to a reason. And still you are arguing the how advantages of Solo mode should be only monopolised by spenders. Alliance didnt participated with me when I did 7.4 😑😑😑😑
  • J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Posts: 863 ★★★★
    edited April 2022
    Kabam introduces new progression title and a lot of people say it’s unreasonable and are upset. I’m all for pro-player moves but I don’t think this is something most of us should be overly concerned about. We should be concerned but not overly. Then again, I’m trying not to worry over a game and from experience Kabam will still do what please them first. This introduction is or may be a big step in the game but realistically most of us won’t qualify for this new progression title at the time it’s introduction. Also, this clearly an avenue to for them to make more money. But if moving forward, r4 materials will become REASONABLY available, then most of us will get there. My only concern here is why introduced this right before a spending event? The in-game message about Spring Cleaning doesn’t say anything any Paragon level based offers so I’m guessing the offers will based on the current progression levels (uncollected, Cavalier and Thronebreaker). Good to know it doesn’t take effect this spring cleaning.
    I’m not f2p and neither a big spender, occasional spender…I used to the get the daily unit deal and monthly Sigil but haven’t in a while. This is my mentality in this game, don’t hurt yourself chasing after the finer things and immediately. Take your time, work your way bit by bit and you’ll get there.
    Edit
    @StevieManWonder thanks for the correction. Good thing I had time to update my comment.
  • ShadowKing01ShadowKing01 Posts: 46

    This should not be the standard. It should be two r4 6 stars at most. I'm in a top 20 alliance and we still have 10 guys at least with only 2 r4's. I think you all should reconsider because you're locking out a lot of quality players who spend on the game regularly.

    Not enough, they want you to spend more. lol
  • SteveskiSteveski Posts: 11
    edited April 2022
    The new progression level is all about how much you spent, rather than how skilled you are. You even say it, you don’t want to raise difficulty to link this to story content. You want to link it to how big someone’s roster is, which is linking this “Progression” level to how much someone has spent.

    After 7 years playing, I think it’s finally time to retire. I can’t support a company who treats their player base like this. Completely unacceptable.
  • World EaterWorld Eater Posts: 3,516 ★★★★★
    ItsDamien said:

    This announcement comes out days prior to Spring Cleaning.


    IIRC TB was meant to come out prior to Black Friday but was delayed. It’s been a while but I seem to remember that vaguely.
    From what I remember, Thronebreaker was launched before Black Friday.
  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Posts: 5,017 ★★★★★
    J0eySn0w said:

    Kabam introduces new progression title and a lot of people say it’s unreasonable and are upset. I’m all for pro-player moves but I don’t think this is something most of us should be overly concerned about. We should be concerned but not overly. Then again, I’m trying not to worry over a game and from experience Kabam will still do what please them first. This introduction is or may be a big step in the game but realistically most of us won’t qualify for this new progression title at the time it’s introduction. Also, this clearly an avenue to for them to make more money. But if moving forward, r4 materials will become REASONABLY available, then most of us will get there. My only concern here is why introduced this right before a spending event? The in-game message about Spring Cleaning doesn’t say anything any Paragon level based offers so I’m guessing the offers will based on the current progression levels (uncollected, Cavalier and Thronebreaker). I won’t be surprised though if they do, because that’s the Kabam I know and that’s why I struggle to like them.
    I’m not f2p and neither a big spender, occasional spender…I used to the get the daily unit deal and monthly Sigil but haven’t in a while. This is my mentality in this game, don’t hurt yourself chasing after the finer things and immediately. Take your time, work your way bit by bit and you’ll get there.

    If you read the post, you'd know that Paragon isn't coming until next month, after the spring cleaning deals end
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,090 ★★★★★

    Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
    TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

    But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
    But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
    Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

    I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
    Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

    I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

    You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
    You missed the point by mile like always. Why isn't demotivating??? Progression titles has been gated behind story content. TB was gated behind champ rank up wall. Understandable.
    But why new titel is being factorized behind PvP??? I never said to give war title to gold rank ally. I never said to factorize the war title in single mode content.
    It's the direction of game I am unhappy with. I am not sad that I will not get the title on day one. I am sad because it's doesn't give fair and equal shot when it's kind of gated behind competitive mode. Don't get me wrong here. I meant to say that they wanna raise the difficulty but they only have taken spending and competitive mode in evaluation when PROGRESSION TITLE should ans always been gated to solo mode regardless of AW/Aq. They used to add some bits to it but wasn't a factor behind it.
    So a player who have done all the content necessary to get r4 materials, had to be in like top alliances like top 20. So you mean this new title should only be exclusive to only 600 players meanwhile disregarding the SKILL factor????? Monetizing the Solo mode with includance of competitive mode with regards of spending too. Does it look like PROGRESSION TITLE OR TITLE made for very ELITE SPENDERS.

    I can only guess that you may be in high tier war like p1 or masters alliance. And we already have issue of war cost at the hand. which ironically dealing with same issue. So can you tell me how much of SKILL factor is taken in acount rather than SPENDING when we talk about while community instead of certain group of spenders.
    Why the hell AW/Aq are benchmark for justification of Story mode title???? It doesn't make any sense except the spending. Would you will be happy if War titles are distributed if suddenly solo mode is taken into consideration. Will you justify it lol
    I am not currently in P1 or masters and I only have 1 R4 right now and I am a huge spender by most definitions. You're wanting to fit where you are in the game to the title presented. Just like Thronebreaker was available to those that did abyss and act 6 100% and had a R3, they did things others weren't wanting to do or willing to do. But these days, we are seeing TBs at level 56 because the mats are so much easier to come by.

    There isn't anything different in this title vs TB. The day 1 release isn't meant for a wide majority but for those that are at the top because there is way less for them in the game to strive for. All they have is top tier AQ and AW to do. Also, AW and AQ aren't the benchmark for this title, it's just part of it because there is constant R4 mats in rewards.

    There are F2P out there with 3 R4's, may not be as many as spenders but it's still possible. At some point we'll all be paragon and the same groups will be complaining about the requirements for the next title to be released.
    You yourself said that TB was achieveable when it came. Even I did abyss for TB rank up. But you either missed or didn't wanted to point out one crucial thing. Let me remind you then. Alliances played 0 role, spending played 0 role. It was the content which had ability to present the title. AOL completion guarantees r3 rank up. Exploring act 6 gives 2nd r3. And if rng is in favour one can actually r3 their 3rd 6 star. Aq/Aw didn't mattered in it at all, as it was solo content title. That was the situation during TB introduction.

    Now you emphasis on TOP too much. Let me remind you there are giants in gold and plat alliances. They don't compete due many reasons. Now let's come to your next point. People have more than 4 r4 6 star champs atm. Everyone know how they got it. Tiny bit of only r4 materials were present before. Only this season we saw that much of increase in r4 material in season rewards. So please enlighten me how, this is can be actually taken in account yo accumulat the r4 materials???? When New title drops, only people who have spend will be able to achieve it.
    And now to your another aspect of your so called TOP meta. Realistically TOP 20 aw alliances are one who will get the r4 materials in good amount even top 5 I should say. So not everyone can compete their due to alliances politics( like new player joining, one not getting alliance etc etc which are behavioural aspects). And you are justifying the aim of this along with devs on a title which is actually a solo content in nature?????
    There are many players who have done 100% of content but no in top alliances (top20). So according to you, they are not worth it?? They don't deserve it?? How the hell aim of solo content can be reflected through ALLIANCE MODES which are totally different.

    And I even haven't touched the issue of calculation of resources based upon temporary last events for a future progression 😶😶😶😶

    It's clearly indicating that immediate benefit are monopolized by only spenders in solo mode progression with nearly impossible chance to provide the same to F2Ps. If it was about Competitive mode I would have agreed but it's not. Solo content is is called SOLO due to a reason. And still you are arguing the how advantages of Solo mode should be only monopolised by spenders. Alliance didnt participated with me when I did 7.4 😑😑😑😑
    Immediate benefit for spenders isn't a new feature to the game. It's literally how the game has introduced progression as far as I can remember. What's perplexing to me is how people still have the expectation to have for free what people spend for.
    If that was the case, why would people spend? They could just wait with the others.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 9,228 ★★★★★

    Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
    TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

    But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
    But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
    Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

    I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
    Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

    I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

    You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
    You missed the point by mile like always. Why isn't demotivating??? Progression titles has been gated behind story content. TB was gated behind champ rank up wall. Understandable.
    But why new titel is being factorized behind PvP??? I never said to give war title to gold rank ally. I never said to factorize the war title in single mode content.
    It's the direction of game I am unhappy with. I am not sad that I will not get the title on day one. I am sad because it's doesn't give fair and equal shot when it's kind of gated behind competitive mode. Don't get me wrong here. I meant to say that they wanna raise the difficulty but they only have taken spending and competitive mode in evaluation when PROGRESSION TITLE should ans always been gated to solo mode regardless of AW/Aq. They used to add some bits to it but wasn't a factor behind it.
    So a player who have done all the content necessary to get r4 materials, had to be in like top alliances like top 20. So you mean this new title should only be exclusive to only 600 players meanwhile disregarding the SKILL factor????? Monetizing the Solo mode with includance of competitive mode with regards of spending too. Does it look like PROGRESSION TITLE OR TITLE made for very ELITE SPENDERS.

    I can only guess that you may be in high tier war like p1 or masters alliance. And we already have issue of war cost at the hand. which ironically dealing with same issue. So can you tell me how much of SKILL factor is taken in acount rather than SPENDING when we talk about while community instead of certain group of spenders.
    Why the hell AW/Aq are benchmark for justification of Story mode title???? It doesn't make any sense except the spending. Would you will be happy if War titles are distributed if suddenly solo mode is taken into consideration. Will you justify it lol
    I am not currently in P1 or masters and I only have 1 R4 right now and I am a huge spender by most definitions. You're wanting to fit where you are in the game to the title presented. Just like Thronebreaker was available to those that did abyss and act 6 100% and had a R3, they did things others weren't wanting to do or willing to do. But these days, we are seeing TBs at level 56 because the mats are so much easier to come by.

    There isn't anything different in this title vs TB. The day 1 release isn't meant for a wide majority but for those that are at the top because there is way less for them in the game to strive for. All they have is top tier AQ and AW to do. Also, AW and AQ aren't the benchmark for this title, it's just part of it because there is constant R4 mats in rewards.

    There are F2P out there with 3 R4's, may not be as many as spenders but it's still possible. At some point we'll all be paragon and the same groups will be complaining about the requirements for the next title to be released.
    You yourself said that TB was achieveable when it came. Even I did abyss for TB rank up. But you either missed or didn't wanted to point out one crucial thing. Let me remind you then. Alliances played 0 role, spending played 0 role. It was the content which had ability to present the title. AOL completion guarantees r3 rank up. Exploring act 6 gives 2nd r3. And if rng is in favour one can actually r3 their 3rd 6 star. Aq/Aw didn't mattered in it at all, as it was solo content title. That was the situation during TB introduction.
    Your entire emoji-strewn post is built on shaky foundation.

    In the past, progression titles were 100% built around story content - that’s why having done the story content in the past let you get there on day one. Now, progression titles are not built around story content so they have to use other aspects in the game to judge who gets it day 1. They’ve chosen previous hard content, and in this case, high tier AW and AQ.

    You cannot therefore say that having done abyss or act 6 guaranteed you TB, so having done content today should guarantee you Paragon - because you’re comparing apples to oranges. Times change, parameters change. Being in a high ranking alliance could help you get T5cc before, it helps you get rank 4 materials now.
  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Posts: 2,032 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Jaded said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Jaded said:

    When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

    "When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

    corrected it lol

    I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

    Completed all of the Story Content in-game
    Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
    Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
    Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

    Which of these do you fulfil?
    So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
    On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
    That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
    They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.

    BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
    BS is when you contradict your own point. You guys are justifying why some players to have advantage but not on clear grounds. If the title is meant for who have done everything, why add the spending aspect too.
    And it's delusional to think that being able to play in TOP tier actually gave enough r4 materials to rank a champ. From this season onwards we saw very good bump in season rewards.

    So that means if I was/ wasn't in high tier Alliances ( top20) doesn't matter that much but that sneaky deal of 10k mattered because other criteria still give enough to do 2 r4s.
    I thought spending meant to have advantage not total Monopoly.😕😕😕😕
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,296 Guardian

    Jaded said:

    Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

    Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

    Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
    "Raising the difficulty for next progression level" that's not what the player wants and " locking the title behind 3 r4 requirements" that's what players want?
    Well thats true if your target population is P2W.
    No, its not. Thronebreaker was "locked" behind R3. But look at TB now: it isn't hard for a Cavalier player to get to their first R3. It is so easy, it is actually completing Act 6 that is the harder barrier. Which is something that I predicted would happen way back when TB was first announced and everyone was calling the roster check a paywall.

    Who benefits from the devs making the story arcs easier and the progression titles require roster requirements? 99.999% of everyone. Who is *temporarily* and *trivially* inconvenienced? The very, very, very tiny sliver of players for whom Paragon is slightly out of reach temporarily.

    Catalyst keep getting easier over time, dramatically so. Story arcs don't. Moderating the content difficulty so it is more accessible to the majority of players while adding a roster check helps almost everyone, including almost all the free to play players of the game. The vast majority of them will benefit in the long run from a more moderate story content path and roster requirements on the titles, than a super hard and escalating difficulty path to progress that many will be roadblocked indefinitely in.
  • RenaxqqRenaxqq Posts: 1,592 ★★★★
    I thought new title after Thronebreaker will come after inteoducing Thronebreaker EQ and Thronebreaker crystals.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,296 Guardian
    Broken said:

    thats why people leaving this game

    The fact that we keep hearing the same complaints whenever a new progression title comes out suggests otherwise.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 9,228 ★★★★★

    I'm not even mad I just find it funny people are trying to justify a title being behind playing t1 AW + 100% all r4 material content (including timed content) and getting unit offers

    When previously you could do 1 path of abyss/explore act 6 and earn the highest progression title.

    If they keep with this kind of escalation I'm genuinely curious what the next title will look like

    Previously, titles used to be linked to quest progression. That’s why progressing in quests could guarantee it. Titles are no longer linked to quest progression. That’s why this title is not guaranteed by completing content.
  • Stinkpink07Stinkpink07 Posts: 3
    DNA3000 said:

    Jaded said:

    When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

    "When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

    corrected it lol

    I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

    Completed all of the Story Content in-game
    Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
    Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
    Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

    Which of these do you fulfil?
    So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
    On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
    So here’s the thing. You already get a title for being in the top 20 for AW. Let’s also be honest, those alliances hardly ever allow people in unless they are going to empty their pockets for gifting events. No, those top 20 alliances aren’t keeping the light on either. Kabam had $31 million in revenue last year, the majority of those came from a cumulative total from the 1.3 million players spending. Not the 600 in top 20 alliances.
  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Posts: 2,032 ★★★★★

    Jaded said:

    Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

    Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

    Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
    In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE.
    But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE .
    Which title was not able to be obtained by spending?
    UC,Cav,TB
    That's not true. All of those titles can be obtained by spending.
    I would like to hear the argument cuz I didn't spend single penny on this. UC done BY holy Trinity ( 4*s). Cav before nerf on main account too. For TB did abyss. I think we don't even need units for it. Grinding revives is enough
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★
    Renaxqq said:

    I thought new title after Thronebreaker will come after inteoducing Thronebreaker EQ and Thronebreaker crystals.

    This much I can agree with. At least when TB was announced, Cav EQ was announced and starting.
  • NaoTomoriNaoTomori Posts: 6
    "Immediate benefit for spenders isn't a new feature to the game. It's literally how the game has introduced progression as far as I can remember. What's perplexing to me is how people still have the expectation to have for free what people spend for.
    If that was the case, why would people spend? They could just wait with the others."

    This defense of Kabam perplexes me.

    This is the first time progression title is tied to spending. I should be able to achieve the campaign progression title without spending on day 1. I have done everything but buy the 7.4 offer. I'm still 3 catalysts away. I really don't mind not getting r5s before whales. It's the actual progression title that I care for.

    As someone who has been grinding for ages to achieve an account able to compete in top AQ and AW, this title just stings. I'll simply fall further behind and never catch up. I do hope Kabam takes another look at this and changes something. It's disappointing
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★

    ItsDamien said:

    This announcement comes out days prior to Spring Cleaning.


    IIRC TB was meant to come out prior to Black Friday but was delayed. It’s been a while but I seem to remember that vaguely.
    From what I remember, Thronebreaker was launched before Black Friday.
    I thought it was meant to be out before Black Friday but then they pushed it to just after. The only thing I know for certain is that TB had a delay at some point. It’s been a while though.
  • Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Posts: 37

    Believe it or not, you can wait to get Paragon. If you don't get it on the first day, that's okay, your account won't just explode or get deleted. It's not going anywhere

    My problem is that in the meantime, I’m gonna get second rate deals in July fourth, and my units/cash is gonna be worth less.
    Gee thanks kabam, I have 30 r3 six stars, I’m so happy you’re selling me a generic five star awakening gem.
  • SwarmOfRavensSwarmOfRavens Posts: 1,264 ★★★★★

    I'm not even mad I just find it funny people are trying to justify a title being behind playing t1 AW + 100% all r4 material content (including timed content) and getting unit offers

    When previously you could do 1 path of abyss/explore act 6 and earn the highest progression title.

    If they keep with this kind of escalation I'm genuinely curious what the next title will look like

    Previously, titles used to be linked to quest progression. That’s why progressing in quests could guarantee it. Titles are no longer linked to quest progression. That’s why this title is not guaranteed by completing content.
    Thronebreaker was not solely tied to quest progression either, that's the whole point of the rank up requirement in addition to the act completion.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,090 ★★★★★
    Jaded said:

    Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
    TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

    But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
    But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
    Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

    I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
    Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

    I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

    You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
    You missed the point by mile like always. Why isn't demotivating??? Progression titles has been gated behind story content. TB was gated behind champ rank up wall. Understandable.
    But why new titel is being factorized behind PvP??? I never said to give war title to gold rank ally. I never said to factorize the war title in single mode content.
    It's the direction of game I am unhappy with. I am not sad that I will not get the title on day one. I am sad because it's doesn't give fair and equal shot when it's kind of gated behind competitive mode. Don't get me wrong here. I meant to say that they wanna raise the difficulty but they only have taken spending and competitive mode in evaluation when PROGRESSION TITLE should ans always been gated to solo mode regardless of AW/Aq. They used to add some bits to it but wasn't a factor behind it.
    So a player who have done all the content necessary to get r4 materials, had to be in like top alliances like top 20. So you mean this new title should only be exclusive to only 600 players meanwhile disregarding the SKILL factor????? Monetizing the Solo mode with includance of competitive mode with regards of spending too. Does it look like PROGRESSION TITLE OR TITLE made for very ELITE SPENDERS.

    I can only guess that you may be in high tier war like p1 or masters alliance. And we already have issue of war cost at the hand. which ironically dealing with same issue. So can you tell me how much of SKILL factor is taken in acount rather than SPENDING when we talk about while community instead of certain group of spenders.
    Why the hell AW/Aq are benchmark for justification of Story mode title???? It doesn't make any sense except the spending. Would you will be happy if War titles are distributed if suddenly solo mode is taken into consideration. Will you justify it lol
    I am not currently in P1 or masters and I only have 1 R4 right now and I am a huge spender by most definitions. You're wanting to fit where you are in the game to the title presented. Just like Thronebreaker was available to those that did abyss and act 6 100% and had a R3, they did things others weren't wanting to do or willing to do. But these days, we are seeing TBs at level 56 because the mats are so much easier to come by.

    There isn't anything different in this title vs TB. The day 1 release isn't meant for a wide majority but for those that are at the top because there is way less for them in the game to strive for. All they have is top tier AQ and AW to do. Also, AW and AQ aren't the benchmark for this title, it's just part of it because there is constant R4 mats in rewards.

    There are F2P out there with 3 R4's, may not be as many as spenders but it's still possible. At some point we'll all be paragon and the same groups will be complaining about the requirements for the next title to be released.
    You yourself said that TB was achieveable when it came. Even I did abyss for TB rank up. But you either missed or didn't wanted to point out one crucial thing. Let me remind you then. Alliances played 0 role, spending played 0 role. It was the content which had ability to present the title. AOL completion guarantees r3 rank up. Exploring act 6 gives 2nd r3. And if rng is in favour one can actually r3 their 3rd 6 star. Aq/Aw didn't mattered in it at all, as it was solo content title. That was the situation during TB introduction.

    Now you emphasis on TOP too much. Let me remind you there are giants in gold and plat alliances. They don't compete due many reasons. Now let's come to your next point. People have more than 4 r4 6 star champs atm. Everyone know how they got it. Tiny bit of only r4 materials were present before. Only this season we saw that much of increase in r4 material in season rewards. So please enlighten me how, this is can be actually taken in account yo accumulat the r4 materials???? When New title drops, only people who have spend will be able to achieve it.
    And now to your another aspect of your so called TOP meta. Realistically TOP 20 aw alliances are one who will get the r4 materials in good amount even top 5 I should say. So not everyone can compete their due to alliances politics( like new player joining, one not getting alliance etc etc which are behavioural aspects). And you are justifying the aim of this along with devs on a title which is actually a solo content in nature?????
    There are many players who have done 100% of content but no in top alliances (top20). So according to you, they are not worth it?? They don't deserve it?? How the hell aim of solo content can be reflected through ALLIANCE MODES which are totally different.

    And I even haven't touched the issue of calculation of resources based upon temporary last events for a future progression 😶😶😶😶

    It's clearly indicating that immediate benefit are monopolized by only spenders in solo mode progression with nearly impossible chance to provide the same to F2Ps. If it was about Competitive mode I would have agreed but it's not. Solo content is is called SOLO due to a reason. And still you are arguing the how advantages of Solo mode should be only monopolised by spenders. Alliance didnt participated with me when I did 7.4 😑😑😑😑
    Immediate benefit for spenders isn't a new feature to the game. It's literally how the game has introduced progression as far as I can remember. What's perplexing to me is how people still have the expectation to have for free what people spend for.
    If that was the case, why would people spend? They could just wait with the others.
    So now progression is based on how much people spend compared to the past. I couldn’t agree more with you. Although that shouldn’t be the benchmark kabam uses for progression titles.
    That's not the benchmark. People who spend will typically gain access first. Spending is not the only way people will be able to attain Paragon, forevermore. All spending does is speed up time.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 9,228 ★★★★★

    I'm not even mad I just find it funny people are trying to justify a title being behind playing t1 AW + 100% all r4 material content (including timed content) and getting unit offers

    When previously you could do 1 path of abyss/explore act 6 and earn the highest progression title.

    If they keep with this kind of escalation I'm genuinely curious what the next title will look like

    Previously, titles used to be linked to quest progression. That’s why progressing in quests could guarantee it. Titles are no longer linked to quest progression. That’s why this title is not guaranteed by completing content.
    Thronebreaker was not solely tied to quest progression either, that's the whole point of the rank up requirement in addition to the act completion.
    100%ing Act 6 is progressing in quests, abyss is progressing in quests. At the time of release I believe they were the only places to get T5cc full, hence TB was tied to quest progression at the time of release.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,296 Guardian

    DNA3000 said:

    Jaded said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Jaded said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Jaded said:

    When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

    "When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

    corrected it lol

    I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

    Completed all of the Story Content in-game
    Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
    Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
    Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

    Which of these do you fulfil?
    So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
    On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
    That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
    They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.

    BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
    How are they doing more then me? I do war tier 3, they don’t do “more” then me. Maybe harder but not more. I do map 8 everyday in aq. So how are they doing more? Or are you saying they are spending more? So then you are saying this title is geared towards those spending more then me. Gotcha. Still bs
    I'm in tier 12. Why do you get more alliance war rewards than me? You aren't doing more. Maybe harder, but not more.
    Where are you in story content?? I bet you have done 7.4 100% already. So did your alliance played for you ??? Did your solo content rewards were shared among them 🤔🤔🤔🤔did you got revives from them last week 🤔🤔🤔 what's exactly your point is here ???? Factorising the Alliance modes in solo content lol
    The one time I forget people don't read threads before replying and ignore quote pyramids. The. one. time.

    Just shoot me now.
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