I am a very old player. By no means a whale but definitely not a zero spender. I have completed 100% act 7 (and all of book 1) - every variant - 100% summer of pain and 100% gauntlet. I cherry picked carina challenges. I bought max unit deals in both previous Black Friday and July 4th deals. I bought the 10k unit deal at the end of 7.4.
And so, as you can imagine, progression wise - after 6 years in the game, I feel that I should be at the top.
DESPITE ALL THIS I only have 2 r4 six stars and only half the rank up materials for a 3rd, and so fall short on the new Paragon title. How could this be? This is really maddening. It will definitely make me think again before spending a dime on a game that looks at my efforts and spits in my face.
At least act 6 had a full t5cc as a reward for exploration allowing you to become thronebreaker of you did the content. Needing 3 r4 champs makes paragon have nothing to do with story progression, please correct me if I’m wrong.
Unless eternity of pain comes out RIGHT NOW and allows me to compete my progression, I will be forced to reconsider my devotion to the game, especially if I will again be shafted come July 4th deals…
I read this as you being super close to getting the title. Sure, you won’t get the title right away, but much much sooner than most of us.
What is wrong with people. Because you don’t qualify day 1 you’re gonna take your ball and go home? It says multiple times it’s for players who have cleared EVERYTHING. And yes you’d have 3 r4s if you finished everything and especially if you’ve spent earned units wisely.
I don’t spend on this game outside a bit on holidays. I have completed everything play in a top masters ally and have 3 r4s and close to a 4th. It has taken a lot of work. What is wrong with rewarding players that have put that work in? I am the furthest thing from a whale. But they keep the game going and don’t effect your life.
With that said finishing act 7.4 is not a great achievement for any player that plays at the higher levels. It’s not that difficult. The only progression way is to say you have to have finished everything. Well there are plenty that will never want to finish some of carinas. Speaking from experience the LOL ones except O Canada were ridiculous as well as Mikes revenge and punch out. So this seems to be a nice compromise for those like me who have grinded it out and those that spent on things like ggcs.
If you are saying titles have always been linked to completion, 2 real titles were linked to progression and now 2 linked to roster. It’s not like it’s been dozens of progression milestones. It was 2. Uncollected and cavalier.
As far as what we receive in r4 materials being in high level allys. I’ve been in top 20 aq ally for years and finished masters for just as long, placing in top 3 multiple times. With that being said the amount of R4 materials we receive at this time won’t change anything. Check for yourself. And don’t look at this season they just raised it.
I think what this title shows is that the tap is going to open on resources. With battlegrounds, story mode (already beta of 8.1) and I’m sure it will be elsewhere soon.
Most importantly, kabam needs to give a bt of something to their end game players. We don’t get much challenging content because most just complain it’s too hard. So war is our only real challenge and now hopefully battlegrounds.
I’ve finished everything and don’t have 3 r4s. Most don’t. Or do you mean finished everything , bought everything and play high tier aq/aw? 😂😂
After I finish Carina's Challenges (Two left, just waiting on the darn t4cc for my rankups), I will have 2 t6b and 2 t3a. I already have 2 r4s, so I will only need 1 more of each cat, then I can get the title. So long as r4 resources become more available, this really doesn't feel like a big deal. I'd like to get another ____ of Legends that has 3t6b and 3t3a in rewards so FTP players can get Paragon by doing just content without units offers, but it's not that big of a deal either way.
Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall. TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.
But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability. But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand. Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.
I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out . Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.
I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.
You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.
You missed the point by mile like always. Why isn't demotivating??? Progression titles has been gated behind story content. TB was gated behind champ rank up wall. Understandable. But why new titel is being factorized behind PvP??? I never said to give war title to gold rank ally. I never said to factorize the war title in single mode content. It's the direction of game I am unhappy with. I am not sad that I will not get the title on day one. I am sad because it's doesn't give fair and equal shot when it's kind of gated behind competitive mode. Don't get me wrong here. I meant to say that they wanna raise the difficulty but they only have taken spending and competitive mode in evaluation when PROGRESSION TITLE should ans always been gated to solo mode regardless of AW/Aq. They used to add some bits to it but wasn't a factor behind it. So a player who have done all the content necessary to get r4 materials, had to be in like top alliances like top 20. So you mean this new title should only be exclusive to only 600 players meanwhile disregarding the SKILL factor????? Monetizing the Solo mode with includance of competitive mode with regards of spending too. Does it look like PROGRESSION TITLE OR TITLE made for very ELITE SPENDERS.
I can only guess that you may be in high tier war like p1 or masters alliance. And we already have issue of war cost at the hand. which ironically dealing with same issue. So can you tell me how much of SKILL factor is taken in acount rather than SPENDING when we talk about while community instead of certain group of spenders. Why the hell AW/Aq are benchmark for justification of Story mode title???? It doesn't make any sense except the spending. Would you will be happy if War titles are distributed if suddenly solo mode is taken into consideration. Will you justify it lol
I am not currently in P1 or masters and I only have 1 R4 right now and I am a huge spender by most definitions. You're wanting to fit where you are in the game to the title presented. Just like Thronebreaker was available to those that did abyss and act 6 100% and had a R3, they did things others weren't wanting to do or willing to do. But these days, we are seeing TBs at level 56 because the mats are so much easier to come by.
There isn't anything different in this title vs TB. The day 1 release isn't meant for a wide majority but for those that are at the top because there is way less for them in the game to strive for. All they have is top tier AQ and AW to do. Also, AW and AQ aren't the benchmark for this title, it's just part of it because there is constant R4 mats in rewards.
There are F2P out there with 3 R4's, may not be as many as spenders but it's still possible. At some point we'll all be paragon and the same groups will be complaining about the requirements for the next title to be released.
After I finish Carina's Challenges (Two left, just waiting on the darn t4cc for my rankups), I will have 2 t6b and 2 t3a. I already have 2 r4s, so I will only need 1 more of each cat, then I can get the title. So long as r4 resources become more available, this really doesn't feel like a big deal. I'd like to get another ____ of Legends that has 3t6b and 3t3a in rewards so FTP players can get Paragon by doing just content without units offers, but it's not that big of a deal either way.
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE. But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE .
Which title was not able to be obtained by spending?
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.
BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season
I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC
And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)
But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.
Choosing to be in a lesser tier and aq rank shouldn’t come with penalties as well. If someone has everything done, didn’t buy unit offers at all they could still be short on prestige required to play in higher tier alliances for alliance quest. They may not have the time for high tier alliance wars or perhaps not the stress of dying or the skill needed for it.
2 r4s is an acceptable requirement because then it only requires a person to play the game and not hope for good rng or play with 29 other high caliber players.
I’m not going to leave my alliance of 2 years to chase after some more t6bc and t3a to get another r4 before the title release. No other content left, I can’t physically “work” on anything. No goals to set. So the option is if I want this title I have to leave friends.
And in the end, it won’t matter. R4 materials will become more prevalent as time goes on. Making people stress over it is ridiculous. Just my thoughts
But that's the whole point. You don't have to leave or change anything because there will be other ways to get R4 mats. Some of us just won't be Paragon on day 1.
I am a very old player. By no means a whale but definitely not a zero spender. I have completed 100% act 7 (and all of book 1) - every variant - 100% summer of pain and 100% gauntlet. I cherry picked carina challenges. I bought max unit deals in both previous Black Friday and July 4th deals. I bought the 10k unit deal at the end of 7.4.
And so, as you can imagine, progression wise - after 6 years in the game, I feel that I should be at the top.
DESPITE ALL THIS I only have 2 r4 six stars and only half the rank up materials for a 3rd, and so fall short on the new Paragon title. How could this be? This is really maddening. It will definitely make me think again before spending a dime on a game that looks at my efforts and spits in my face.
At least act 6 had a full t5cc as a reward for exploration allowing you to become thronebreaker of you did the content. Needing 3 r4 champs makes paragon have nothing to do with story progression, please correct me if I’m wrong.
Unless eternity of pain comes out RIGHT NOW and allows me to compete my progression, I will be forced to reconsider my devotion to the game, especially if I will again be shafted come July 4th deals…
Weird how you leave out where you stand in AQ and AW which is something they factored in for attaining R4 mats.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.
BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
How are they doing more then me? I do war tier 3, they don’t do “more” then me. Maybe harder but not more. I do map 8 everyday in aq. So how are they doing more? Or are you saying they are spending more? So then you are saying this title is geared towards those spending more then me. Gotcha. Still bs
What is wrong with people. Because you don’t qualify day 1 you’re gonna take your ball and go home? It says multiple times it’s for players who have cleared EVERYTHING. And yes you’d have 3 r4s if you finished everything and especially if you’ve spent earned units wisely.
I don’t spend on this game outside a bit on holidays. I have completed everything play in a top masters ally and have 3 r4s and close to a 4th. It has taken a lot of work. What is wrong with rewarding players that have put that work in? I am the furthest thing from a whale. But they keep the game going and don’t effect your life.
With that said finishing act 7.4 is not a great achievement for any player that plays at the higher levels. It’s not that difficult. The only progression way is to say you have to have finished everything. Well there are plenty that will never want to finish some of carinas. Speaking from experience the LOL ones except O Canada were ridiculous as well as Mikes revenge and punch out. So this seems to be a nice compromise for those like me who have grinded it out and those that spent on things like ggcs.
If you are saying titles have always been linked to completion, 2 real titles were linked to progression and now 2 linked to roster. It’s not like it’s been dozens of progression milestones. It was 2. Uncollected and cavalier.
As far as what we receive in r4 materials being in high level allys. I’ve been in top 20 aq ally for years and finished masters for just as long, placing in top 3 multiple times. With that being said the amount of R4 materials we receive at this time won’t change anything. Check for yourself. And don’t look at this season they just raised it.
I think what this title shows is that the tap is going to open on resources. With battlegrounds, story mode (already beta of 8.1) and I’m sure it will be elsewhere soon.
Most importantly, kabam needs to give a bt of something to their end game players. We don’t get much challenging content because most just complain it’s too hard. So war is our only real challenge and now hopefully battlegrounds.
I’ve finished everything and don’t have 3 r4s. Most don’t. Or do you mean finished everything , bought everything and play high tier aq/aw? 😂😂
I said finished everything, and used earned units to buy unit offers. Only cash deals I bought was 2 odins on 4th of July. I bought the unit deals and 20 ggcs with units I grinded. And I’m halfway to a 4th. So if you’ve truly done all of the content I would imagine you’d be at 3 r4s if not very close.
Oh here we go🤦🏻♂️. At the end of the day, no matter the requirements people were going to complain about them.
I’m sure thronebreaker had the same backlash.
Wrong Everything you needed for TB was in available in content at title launch. That is a huge difference.
The backlash was that TB was "RNG" based and also one of the ways to get a full T5CC was abyss. Not sure how you can call yourself an old player but not remember any of that.
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
In other words, Skills don't value that much but spending cuz I don't see a single reason why it is not gated Ike TB where you have to ton of content or burn the soul in AOL but everyone had fair and equal shot at PROGRESSION TITLE. But this one is totally SPENDING TITLE .
Which title was not able to be obtained by spending?
UC,Cav,TB
That's not true. All of those titles can be obtained by spending.
Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season
I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC
And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)
But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.
Choosing to be in a lesser tier and aq rank shouldn’t come with penalties as well. If someone has everything done, didn’t buy unit offers at all they could still be short on prestige required to play in higher tier alliances for alliance quest. They may not have the time for high tier alliance wars or perhaps not the stress of dying or the skill needed for it.
2 r4s is an acceptable requirement because then it only requires a person to play the game and not hope for good rng or play with 29 other high caliber players.
I’m not going to leave my alliance of 2 years to chase after some more t6bc and t3a to get another r4 before the title release. No other content left, I can’t physically “work” on anything. No goals to set. So the option is if I want this title I have to leave friends.
And in the end, it won’t matter. R4 materials will become more prevalent as time goes on. Making people stress over it is ridiculous. Just my thoughts
But that's the whole point. You don't have to leave or change anything because there will be other ways to get R4 mats. Some of us just won't be Paragon on day 1.
And that’s okay not to be on day 1, it makes no sense to have a requirement that they don’t include the materials for just playing the game. It’s a bad sign imo, not “end of the game” sign. It’s just a poor way to deal with people and creating content. Honestly, act 7 should have had enough materials for a r4 plus the gem. Then we wouldn’t be having this conversation, but kabam imo shorted the players on materials for this content. That is where my gripe really lays, if they want to require something it should be in the game not for units, not for level of war/aq tier & not for how much someone spends. If we had 2 r4s from completing act 7 and another from carina challenges, all these complaints become moot.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
And everyone is very proud of you. But having a target to gun for in the game is not a bad thing.
It’s not being isolated around which tier war you’ve done, that’s just one of the aspects they’ve used as an example of how to get the title day one. If you hadn’t done SoP then that’s what’s stopped you getting the title.
It seems that you’re only angry with the war aspect because that’s what’s stopped you getting it. You can’t just pick the ones you haven’t done and say that it’s bad.
In the past, progression titles were 100% built around story content - that’s why having done the story content in the past let you get there on day one. Now, progression titles are not built around story content so they have to use other aspects in the game to judge who gets it day 1. They’ve chosen previous hard content, and in this case, high tier AW and AQ.
Spending helps clearly, it would be ridiculous if it didn’t , but FTP players who aren’t in top alliances will get there. Nobody is owed the title day 1 just by completing content - just the content isn’t what titles are linked to anymore.
I’m not going to come out here and express only my opinion, but a pretty valid concern: do we as a community accept that a progression title is structured to temporarily available events and deals? That’s I think the biggest thing holding me back right now.
I don't accept the premise, because the title isn't structured to temporary deals and events. The title is not a temporary title you can only get this month or this year. It is a permanent title that you can get tomorrow, or next month, or next year. Players that join the game in 2025 will be going after that title, long past the point when any of these temporary situations have been completely forgotten.
The title is meant to be aspirational. It is meant to be something most players don't have and can't easily get. The temporary situation is that it was structured so that at least *theoretically* a player who had done everything and was playing at the highest competitive levels could achieve it when it launches. But the vast overwhelming majority of everyone who will ever play this game - the free to play, the competitive, the mega whales, all of them - will not get the title on day one. Most of the players who will get this title aren't even Thronebreakers today.
Almost everyone is not going to get Paragon on day one. Only the tiniest sliver of players will get it on day one. It is fair to ask what most players will have to do to achieve this title in a reasonable amount of time. It is not fair to ask why I'm not in that tiny group of people who have done everything and compete at the highest levels of the game or have spend tons of money to allow thousands of other people to play the game for free. Everyone deserves a path to Paragon. Everyone doesn't deserve to get it immediately, no matter what they think their resume entitles them to.
Oh here we go🤦🏻♂️. At the end of the day, no matter the requirements people were going to complain about them.
I’m sure thronebreaker had the same backlash.
Wrong Everything you needed for TB was in available in content at title launch. That is a huge difference.
He's not wrong. Thronebreaker had a huge backlash. And saying this time there's a huge difference is not unique, because that was exactly what people said about Thronebreaker as well. And I'll say the same thing now I said back then: people said the same thing about Cavalier: this time it is different, this time it has requirements that never existed before, this time it is paywalled. Literally everything they said about Thronebreaker, they said about Cavalier. Only somewhat louder.
The same thing is going to happen with Paragon. And the same thing will happen with Paragon after it launches: about six months later people will be telling complainers to get over it, and spend more time getting the stuff you need to get the title than complain about not having the title.
I'd be curious to understand how that works for them on the sales perspective. Is this motivating players to spend? I was looking to spend cash on July 4th and some other offers, but the fact that I'm not getting the maximum return for my money, really pushes me away. It is like an instant devaluation of my currency, it also instead of keeping it up with the "value" at TB, that value needs to be reduced so the the top offer is more appealing.
In my "old business mentality" you want to make your products as much available as you can to your target audience, but I always fell that something like this isn't really targeting well the target audience, since the separation between TB and the new title, isn't really that big, so you can divide clearly that audience
Personally I appreciate them dropping this before Spring Clean, I’m not happy with the title requirements. So my thinking is “if I’m not worthy of their title they’re not worthy of my money” and I’m glad to know that before spending, the real question is how many will complain but still open their wallets.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
And everyone is very proud of you. But having a target to gun for in the game is not a bad thing.
It’s not being isolated around which tier war you’ve done, that’s just one of the aspects they’ve used as an example of how to get the title day one. If you hadn’t done SoP then that’s what’s stopped you getting the title.
It seems that you’re only angry with the war aspect because that’s what’s stopped you getting it. You can’t just pick the ones you haven’t done and say that it’s bad.
In the past, progression titles were 100% built around story content - that’s why having done the story content in the past let you get there on day one. Now, progression titles are not built around story content so they have to use other aspects in the game to judge who gets it day 1. They’ve chosen previous hard content, and in this case, high tier AW and AQ.
Spending helps clearly, it would be ridiculous if it didn’t , but FTP players who aren’t in top alliances will get there. Nobody is owed the title day 1 just by completing content - just the content isn’t what titles are linked to anymore.
What target am I aiming for? If we are looking at what is available in the game minus high tier wars where am I going to find the materials needed to r4 more 6* champions? If all content is done…there is no target or goal, it’s me waiting for them to release more content. So my goal/target is to farm revives and wait. Or I’ve already done that, so now it’s just wait. Okay.
I don’t have big problem with r4s being the requirements, the problem is 3 of them.
Congratz on making this game even more Pay 2 win. This is Just BS and a shout out 2 alle the players that play this game because they like it. Playing all the arena Just 2 pass all those game modes. But no, Lets us reward the 'lagacy' players that spend 1000s and give Them even more benefits.🤣🤣 #all about the money.
For exemple. People like Brian grant deserves this. But all you do is make IT even more Pay 2 keep up.
#nosense
30K Units is a totally ftp Youtuber who has 3 R4s. It's possible.
Also, to be fully transparent...I don't have any R4s yet. But I'm fine with working my way to it. Just as I'm fine with other players being upset about not meeting the requirements on Day 1. To each his own. 🤷♂️ 🤷♂️
Available day 1 to everyone, and available day 1 to those who have spent units or $$$ on offers are not the same thing, just FYI… I’m fine with the progression title but let’s not pretend this is just readily available to anyone who has completed all content and competes in top alliances.
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
Is funny that you said that players, us, want this kind of limitations to obtain progression titles, I wonder what kind of players you ask for this. Also you said that if you have exolored or completed all game content (this is rigth), you play high tier AQ (this is great to) and if you purchased the act 7 exploration bundle (this is bad, this is a coward way to you don't admit that this title is make for you greater wallets), maybe if you said at beginning of the act 7. 4 the weird requirements many of us will be purchased the bundle but for many of us just a random rank 4 was enough and don't spent on this bundle cause was expensive.
Did you 100% complete act 6 before the nerf? If you did you would understand why. That content sucked, it was not fun it required super niche counters and was hated. So it is not content based but more roster based which makes sense.
Available day 1 to everyone, and available day 1 to those who have spent units or $$$ on offers are not the same thing, just FYI… I’m fine with the progression title but let’s not pretend this is just readily available to anyone who has completed all content and competes in top alliances.
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
Is funny that you said that players, us, want this kind of limitations to obtain progression titles, I wonder what kind of players you ask for this. Also you said that if you have exolored or completed all game content (this is rigth), you play high tier AQ (this is great to) and if you purchased the act 7 exploration bundle (this is bad, this is a coward way to you don't admit that this title is make for you greater wallets), maybe if you said at beginning of the act 7. 4 the weird requirements many of us will be purchased the bundle but for many of us just a random rank 4 was enough and don't spent on this bundle cause was expensive.
Did you 100% complete act 6 before the nerf? If you did you would understand why. That content sucked, it was not fun it required super niche counters and was hated. So it is not content based but more roster based which makes sense.
Right! That was actually challenging content. Original champion fight with available champs was tough. No doom, sym supreme etc. as well as just being a lot harder. Dexing 5 times, more nodes and higher health pool.
This is cutting edge progression title, available to only those at the very, very top. For everyone else, you'll need to wait until they turn the taps on, on r4 materials.
What I don't understand, is why is this an issue that's it's not immediately available to free to play players?
Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.
Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.
Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.
Early advanced rosters aren’t an indication of a players progression, they’re an indication of advanced spending, specifically during the gifting event, and I’m sure spring cleaning coming up.
If one has done all permanent content in the game (including abyss, carina challenges), why should they be penalized for not buying an offer they didn't "know they needed to buy", or perhaps not been far enough along 6+ months ago durring summer of pain?
My suggestion would be to scale this back to 2 r4s... with the stipulation that anyone who doesn't make it by say end of 2022 will need 3 r4s, just given that the resources will be more prevalent to get.
I mean if you think about it carinas challenges are a money sack also. Most people don’t complete it itemless, even the most skilled People.
Using items does not mean money sack
Grind out units, grind out potions, grind out revives. Everything in the game being able to be completed F2P means it’s absolutely categorically not a money sack.
Definitely a money sack, not everyone can dedicate 8-10 hours a day to a game. Some of us work, have families, have lives for the 10-14 hours we are awake daily. Heavily grinding is still a money sack because every second you spend on game that’s time you could have spent making money.
Even at my heaviest grinding days Would I have spent as much time to clear all content without units and I’m pretty damn good at this game.
When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!
"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"
corrected it lol
I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.
Completed all of the Story Content in-game Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2), Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance
Which of these do you fulfil?
So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol
On day one? Honestly, probably not. The players who have done everything and are playing in the highest tiers of competitive play (or alternatively are paying to keep the lights on for everyone else) have to have some advantage in the game, and time has always been their primary advantage. They get things before everyone else does. If you don't do T1 wars, you still deserve to get the new title. Eventually.
That’s bs 😂. I haven’t missed a single new progression title in the game since they introduced them with uncollected. I’ve played in t2 wars and top 20 alliance quest in the past but choose to not do it now to play with friends. Isolating a new title around what tier war we play in is a bad way to present the game.
They aren't isolating anything. You don't have to be in a T1 alliance to get Paragon. You don't have to do war at all to get Paragon. You just won't have it today.
BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
How are they doing more then me? I do war tier 3, they don’t do “more” then me. Maybe harder but not more. I do map 8 everyday in aq. So how are they doing more? Or are you saying they are spending more? So then you are saying this title is geared towards those spending more then me. Gotcha. Still bs
I'm in tier 12. Why do you get more alliance war rewards than me? You aren't doing more. Maybe harder, but not more.
Instead of looking at it as being punished for not completing everything and being in high tier ally, look at it as reward to those who have. Kabam doesn’t want to lose those players to boredom or stagnancy.
Even the hales that keep the game going. I used to despise them but now I appreciate them. They keep the lights on for the rest of us. And as someone said earlier every progression title was obtainable via unit man. And I’m fine with that. It gives you something to work towards.
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There isn't anything different in this title vs TB. The day 1 release isn't meant for a wide majority but for those that are at the top because there is way less for them in the game to strive for. All they have is top tier AQ and AW to do. Also, AW and AQ aren't the benchmark for this title, it's just part of it because there is constant R4 mats in rewards.
There are F2P out there with 3 R4's, may not be as many as spenders but it's still possible. At some point we'll all be paragon and the same groups will be complaining about the requirements for the next title to be released.
BS is thinking you deserve everything immediately regardless of how you play in a progressional game as a service. BS is thinking there should be no advantages beyond what you personally do. BS is thinking that the players doing more than you should only get what you think they deserve to get.
I said finished everything, and used earned units to buy unit offers. Only cash deals I bought was 2 odins on 4th of July. I bought the unit deals and 20 ggcs with units I grinded. And I’m halfway to a 4th. So if you’ve truly done all of the content I would imagine you’d be at 3 r4s if not very close.
It’s not being isolated around which tier war you’ve done, that’s just one of the aspects they’ve used as an example of how to get the title day one. If you hadn’t done SoP then that’s what’s stopped you getting the title.
It seems that you’re only angry with the war aspect because that’s what’s stopped you getting it. You can’t just pick the ones you haven’t done and say that it’s bad.
In the past, progression titles were 100% built around story content - that’s why having done the story content in the past let you get there on day one. Now, progression titles are not built around story content so they have to use other aspects in the game to judge who gets it day 1. They’ve chosen previous hard content, and in this case, high tier AW and AQ.
Spending helps clearly, it would be ridiculous if it didn’t , but FTP players who aren’t in top alliances will get there. Nobody is owed the title day 1 just by completing content - just the content isn’t what titles are linked to anymore.
The title is meant to be aspirational. It is meant to be something most players don't have and can't easily get. The temporary situation is that it was structured so that at least *theoretically* a player who had done everything and was playing at the highest competitive levels could achieve it when it launches. But the vast overwhelming majority of everyone who will ever play this game - the free to play, the competitive, the mega whales, all of them - will not get the title on day one. Most of the players who will get this title aren't even Thronebreakers today.
Almost everyone is not going to get Paragon on day one. Only the tiniest sliver of players will get it on day one. It is fair to ask what most players will have to do to achieve this title in a reasonable amount of time. It is not fair to ask why I'm not in that tiny group of people who have done everything and compete at the highest levels of the game or have spend tons of money to allow thousands of other people to play the game for free. Everyone deserves a path to Paragon. Everyone doesn't deserve to get it immediately, no matter what they think their resume entitles them to.
In my "old business mentality" you want to make your products as much available as you can to your target audience, but I always fell that something like this isn't really targeting well the target audience, since the separation between TB and the new title, isn't really that big, so you can divide clearly that audience
I don’t have big problem with r4s being the requirements, the problem is 3 of them.
Also, to be fully transparent...I don't have any R4s yet. But I'm fine with working my way to it. Just as I'm fine with other players being upset about not meeting the requirements on Day 1. To each his own. 🤷♂️ 🤷♂️
This is cutting edge progression title, available to only those at the very, very top. For everyone else, you'll need to wait until they turn the taps on, on r4 materials.
What I don't understand, is why is this an issue that's it's not immediately available to free to play players?
It's an odd expectation.
My suggestion would be to scale this back to 2 r4s... with the stipulation that anyone who doesn't make it by say end of 2022 will need 3 r4s, just given that the resources will be more prevalent to get.
Even at my heaviest grinding days Would I have spent as much time to clear all content without units and I’m pretty damn good at this game.
Even the hales that keep the game going. I used to despise them but now I appreciate them. They keep the lights on for the rest of us. And as someone said earlier every progression title was obtainable via unit man. And I’m fine with that. It gives you something to work towards.