Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

Yaron_aviv

Skiddy212 said:

Oh here we go🤦🏻‍♂️. At the end of the day, no matter the requirements people were going to complain about them.

I’m sure thronebreaker had the same backlash.

Wrong
Everything you needed for TB was in available in content at title launch.
That is a huge difference.

Bugmat78

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

I've completed everything the game has to offer. Carina Challenge's included, as well as the Summer of Pain event. Adding that I also completed the Grandmaster's Gauntlet, and bought the unit offers there as well on cyber monday, and 4th of july (although I don't remember if those had rank 4 materials in them).

Having said that, it is not possible for me to have a 3rd rank 4 champion. Luckily I recently got the champion to use the gem I got on act 7, so that will sort my 2nd option.

So, how's that? Even with additional ways of getting these materials than the one's that were pointed out, it is still not possible for a player like me to get a 3rd rank 4 champion. So clearly something must be wrong there with your calculations.

There seems to be the intention to tie it to the upcoming act 8 and of course fourth of July and spring cleaning

Crys23

Yaron_aviv said:

I am a very old player.
By no means a whale but definitely not a zero spender.
I have completed 100% act 7 (and all of book 1) - every variant - 100% summer of pain and 100% gauntlet.
I cherry picked carina challenges.
I bought max unit deals in both previous Black Friday and July 4th deals.
I bought the 10k unit deal at the end of 7.4.

And so, as you can imagine, progression wise - after 6 years in the game, I feel that I should be at the top.

DESPITE ALL THIS I only have 2 r4 six stars and only half the rank up materials for a 3rd, and so fall short on the new Paragon title.
How could this be?
This is really maddening. It will definitely make me think again before spending a dime on a game that looks at my efforts and spits in my face.

At least act 6 had a full t5cc as a reward for exploration allowing you to become thronebreaker of you did the content. Needing 3 r4 champs makes paragon have nothing to do with story progression, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Unless eternity of pain comes out RIGHT NOW and allows me to compete my progression, I will be forced to reconsider my devotion to the game, especially if I will again be shafted come July 4th deals…

Now you have something else to work towards for. I only buy sigil and I'll have my 3rd R4 next week. But I do have all content done.
Stop expecting to be handed everything on day1 because you feel entitled you should. There are others above you, they either spent to get there or completed all content (and I mean all), or both.
You are not "at the top". There are thousands of players above you. Stop whining and get to finishing content.

This title will be the top progression level for a long long long time. It shouldn't be available to everyone on Day1

Yaron_aviv

Paulr2011 said:

This is the first time that I’ve really felt that a new progression title was solidly locked behind a pay wall. I’m fairly certain I could 100% all in game content and still not have 3 rank 4 6*s.

You couldn’t. That’s my point.

WeXz5

Is it really time to kill this game further or end my misery once for all to quit this clown fiesta of a video game and to move on with life as there seems to be no end for end game players like me, would not be surprised for another title within late next year after this bullshitty paragon title … oh boy, lets do this again … seems like this push also intends to affect the deals for deadpool’s spring cleaning, and its not like with new in-game title pay to play players get to spend even less from offers from these game … i guess the really next question will be when 7 stars eventually comes out and majority of the players base can quit this game finally … game is gonna be pure elitist and more of a survival of only the maddeningly skilled game …

Etm34

A bit irritating that the number is 3 and not 2, as 2 is still such a tough number to reach at the moment. But it is what it is.

All I really ask honestly is that you update the daily objective crystals. They suck so bad.

OldManSkreddy

Captain_obvious1 said:

So come July, spend all your money to get the next tier with our "amazing" deals

The 10k Act 7 units "deal" suggests they see the value of the title as about $2000 right now. May drop over time but that's the benchmark. Personally, that – and the apparently unstoppable introduction of gear – doesn't motivate me to invest money in the game.

YimiGotay

For the amount of resources to get to rank 4, it should be 1 or 2 champions. I hope that the event that is launched will be with many resources

IKON

As I understand it then, if you didn't complete the temporary content of Summer of Pain a year ago, and if you didn't save enough units to get the deal for act 7 completion you're unable to get the next title.

So if you didn't get the above 2, you're not on the outside looking in because there's no way to make up that shortfall right now without spending.

Boiled down, If you have not already done the things required to get Paragon, you will be unable to get Paragon before having it will give you a bonus in content rewards or offers.

This is terrible design. When Thronebreaker was announced, abyss was already 6 months old, even achieving 3 R3s at that time would have been reasonable as the catalysts existed if you worked for it. The same cannot be said for Paragon.

XSquad

what about sigil and glory store updates?

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Kabam Miike said:

Hey all,

There was one point missing, and I know it's going to be a contentious one, but I want to be transparent. A majority of F2P players that have 3x R4 Champions (yes, they do exist) purchased the 10k Unit Offer at the end of Act 7 Chapter 4. For those that did not, or still have content to complete/missed SoP, there is still content coming that will help you get to Paragon.

This is not meant to be accessible to everybody the day that it drops, the same way the Thronebreaker was not, and is a new title to grind and fight for.

Even with that offer, it is still not possible. There is still something missing. And I'm adding points that I completed and aren't listed in the first post, like Grandmaster Gauntlet and offers.

Keep in mind, the first rank 4 champion that a F2P could get came with the full T3 alpha on the Carina's volume 2 challenges. Not even eith the fragments. I'm excluding gifting crystals from the equation here of course.
So ever since those challenge arrived, how was there enough materials for the 3rd rank 4 champions, if none were added apart from the T3 alpha on this months side quest?

Demonzfyre

Kabam Miike said:

Hey all,

There was one point missing, and I know it's going to be a contentious one, but I want to be transparent. A majority of F2P players that have 3x R4 Champions (yes, they do exist) purchased the 10k Unit Offer at the end of Act 7 Chapter 4. For those that did not, or still have content to complete/missed SoP, there is still content coming that will help you get to Paragon.

This is not meant to be accessible to everybody the day that it drops, the same way the Thronebreaker was not, and is a new title to grind and fight for.

Can you make my offer come back

Ken1378

BitterSteel said:

Wiredawg1 said:

So those who haven’t spent and not high aq and aw alliance are screwed? Yea you sure made it about money. And when is gauntlet coming back. You know when you said it was and yet nothing

How are they screwed lol?

I’ve only spent on about 30k or so T3A, and I’m not in an alliance that gets it from AQ or AW. I’ve done all the content that allows me to get rank 4 materials except some of Carina 1.

Minusing the 30k away from spending and adding 20k from carina means I would be around 2 T3As away from getting 3 rank 4s without spending and just completing content.

It’s like some of you are allergic to working towards things. I’m happy to have something to work to and aim for.

They’ve said R4 materials are going to become more common, not everything is designed to screw people over. Spending deserves to have give an advantage, if it gave no advantage people would stop spending and bye bye game.

Having something to aim for is great. But, I think the real question is, will people like you (and other non-big spenders/top alliance players) reasonably be able to achieve Paragon by July 4th. I'll be about 3 T3A away from my 3rd after I finish Carina's 2 next month. To me, it's going to be pretty tough to justify spending on Thronebreaker deals when the Paragon deals will be so much better. And missing out on 2 months of slightly upgraded daily crystals and 1 month of a slightly upgraded log-in calendar are nothing compared to missing out on a progression level worth of July 4th deals.

Wozzle007

I have 1 R4, not far off my 2nd R4. I’m ok with having to earn the right for another R4. It sucks a bit that if I purchase everything I could already be there but the guys the buy everything keep the game running. If we don’t have the opportunity to have earned another 2-3 R4’s over the next few months then maybe get the pitch forks out.

Darkraw346

Ok I have a question for you KABAM pls answer

The uncollected-since u have defeated The Collector, who... collect things... u r UNCOLLECTED.
Cavalier-A Cavalier is like a Knight, so I like to think this title was granted to the Summoner cuz you protected Carina like a knight protects a queen, or u were like Carina's knight.
Thronebreaker-The Grandmaster ruled the contest with an iron fist, and by defeating him you have kicked him off his "Throne" broke it by other words, broke his rule.


Paragon-appearantly means "A model of excellence or perfection" which the Summoner is, not gonna lie... but how does that tie into the story? The uncollected was acquired from that part of the story in which u defeated THE COLLECTOR
Cavalier YOU PROTECTED CARINA
Thronebreaker YOU DEFEATED THE RULER OF THE CONTEST
But Paragon... just dosent tie in... the recent story was about multiverse, time... and Help Carina find the ISO sphere, your title names were all badass (Especially The uncollected, because you are the one, the only... THE uncollected) but Paragon dosent sounds cool... dosent tie into the story, and I needed to google it to find out what is the meaning of the word...

Now yeah everyone here be complaining about the requirements and that's what interests me the most.
Would like to get an answer as for the logic behind picking this name, thanks!

altavista

I'm at 1 T6b and 0.75 T3a. I didn't complete all SOP points either. If I do Act 7 Exploration, then I will still need 5 T6b and 5.25 T3a, essentially. I still have several of Carina's challenges to do, but they seem more like slogs rather than a fun challenge.

Other than that, there is really no other current options to get this title.

I am not against gating the title behind these requirements, but I think Kabam needs to accurately look at whether these requirements can truly be met, without needing to be in high tier alliances.

Demonzfyre

SandPounder said:

Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season

I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC

And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)

But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.

TimeGenesis

I tick pretty much all the boxes
but can we get clarification pls on what high tier alliance is? @Kabam Miike
How long do you have to be in one?

I play AQ competitively just not AW. The alliance requirement is really annoying.

DNA3000

Yaron_aviv said:

Skiddy212 said:

Oh here we go🤦🏻‍♂️. At the end of the day, no matter the requirements people were going to complain about them.

I’m sure thronebreaker had the same backlash.

Wrong
Everything you needed for TB was in available in content at title launch.
That is a huge difference.

He's not wrong. Thronebreaker had a huge backlash. And saying this time there's a huge difference is not unique, because that was exactly what people said about Thronebreaker as well. And I'll say the same thing now I said back then: people said the same thing about Cavalier: this time it is different, this time it has requirements that never existed before, this time it is paywalled. Literally everything they said about Thronebreaker, they said about Cavalier. Only somewhat louder.

The same thing is going to happen with Paragon. And the same thing will happen with Paragon after it launches: about six months later people will be telling complainers to get over it, and spend more time getting the stuff you need to get the title than complain about not having the title.

JhonST33

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.

Is funny that you said that players, us, want this kind of limitations to obtain progression titles, I wonder what kind of players you ask for this.
Also you said that if you have exolored or completed all game content (this is rigth), you play high tier AQ (this is great to) and if you purchased the act 7 exploration bundle (this is bad, this is a coward way to you don't admit that this title is make for you greater wallets), maybe if you said at beginning of the act 7. 4 the weird requirements many of us will be purchased the bundle but for many of us just a random rank 4 was enough and don't spent on this bundle cause was expensive.

Darkraw346

Yaron_aviv said:

I am a very old player.
By no means a whale but definitely not a zero spender.
I have completed 100% act 7 (and all of book 1) - every variant - 100% summer of pain and 100% gauntlet.
I cherry picked carina challenges.
I bought max unit deals in both previous Black Friday and July 4th deals.
I bought the 10k unit deal at the end of 7.4.

And so, as you can imagine, progression wise - after 6 years in the game, I feel that I should be at the top.

DESPITE ALL THIS I only have 2 r4 six stars and only half the rank up materials for a 3rd, and so fall short on the new Paragon title.
How could this be?
This is really maddening. It will definitely make me think again before spending a dime on a game that looks at my efforts and spits in my face.

At least act 6 had a full t5cc as a reward for exploration allowing you to become thronebreaker of you did the content. Needing 3 r4 champs makes paragon have nothing to do with story progression, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Unless eternity of pain comes out RIGHT NOW and allows me to compete my progression, I will be forced to reconsider my devotion to the game, especially if I will again be shafted come July 4th deals…

Cry about it, u r an old player and in order to get the new title u have to get only half the materials for only 1 r4, and that's all. For a title that really is meant for the top players, having to get only that is nothing, we have to really work hard now, and get 3 r4s

U r at a good place

Texas_11

I think 3 is tad bit excessive. I also think when act 8 comes out and gifting rolls around it will balance itself out. We usually don't see changes like this last terribly long. We also don't know the rewards yet, but I'm not sure it will make a huge impact on someone who has 3 6* R4 champs anyway.


Me: I have 2 R4 champs currently. I can do carinas challenge and get close to forming 2.5 of each. Haven't spent in almost 1.5 years and don't plan on doing it now.

I have almost 40+ R3 champs and now it doesn't matter who I take up. I hope it changes, to 2 and if it doesn't then I'll wait it out.

Jaded

Demonzfyre said:

SandPounder said:

Using AW rewards as justification is pretty bad, especially since the catties were only available to Master (top 20) until this season

I can see requiring 2… but 3 only really caters to top top .01% of MCOC

And as a warning, any Paragon deals on July 4 better not be insanely higher than TB (like the difference between Cav and TB is now)

But that's exactly what this title is intended for right out of the gate. It's meant for those who don't have much if anything other than high tier AQ and AW. it's not meant for someone that isn't at that point yet.

Choosing to be in a lesser tier and aq rank shouldn’t come with penalties as well. If someone has everything done, didn’t buy unit offers at all they could still be short on prestige required to play in higher tier alliances for alliance quest. They may not have the time for high tier alliance wars or perhaps not the stress of dying or the skill needed for it.

2 r4s is an acceptable requirement because then it only requires a person to play the game and not hope for good rng or play with 29 other high caliber players.

I’m not going to leave my alliance of 2 years to chase after some more t6bc and t3a to get another r4 before the title release. No other content left, I can’t physically “work” on anything. No goals to set. So the option is if I want this title I have to leave friends.

And in the end, it won’t matter. R4 materials will become more prevalent as time goes on. Making people stress over it is ridiculous. Just my thoughts

Fit_Fun9329

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Kabam Miike said:

Hey all,

There was one point missing, and I know it's going to be a contentious one, but I want to be transparent. A majority of F2P players that have 3x R4 Champions (yes, they do exist) purchased the 10k Unit Offer at the end of Act 7 Chapter 4. For those that did not, or still have content to complete/missed SoP, there is still content coming that will help you get to Paragon.

This is not meant to be accessible to everybody the day that it drops, the same way the Thronebreaker was not, and is a new title to grind and fight for.

Even with that offer, it is still not possible. There is still something missing. And I'm adding points that I completed and aren't listed in the first post, like Grandmaster Gauntlet and offers.

Keep in mind, the first rank 4 champion that a F2P could get came with the full T3 alpha on the Carina's volume 2 challenges. Not even eith the fragments. I'm excluding gifting crystals from the equation here of course.
So ever since those challenge arrived, how was there enough materials for the 3rd rank 4 champions, if none were added apart from the T3 alpha on this months side quest?

Exactly this! This is ridiculous! I bought the 10k too but the third r4 is Miles away

KDoggg2017

Just gonna drop this here... 😈

I don't see any problem with the title requirements. This title is supposed to be hard to achieve, right?
but...
I feel Kabam 100% should have announced this title BEFORE 7.4 so players could have made an informed decision on getting that exploration offer).

BuggyDClown

Demonzfyre said:

BuggyDClown said:

Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.

You missed the point by mile like always. Why isn't demotivating??? Progression titles has been gated behind story content. TB was gated behind champ rank up wall. Understandable.
But why new titel is being factorized behind PvP??? I never said to give war title to gold rank ally. I never said to factorize the war title in single mode content.
It's the direction of game I am unhappy with. I am not sad that I will not get the title on day one. I am sad because it's doesn't give fair and equal shot when it's kind of gated behind competitive mode. Don't get me wrong here. I meant to say that they wanna raise the difficulty but they only have taken spending and competitive mode in evaluation when PROGRESSION TITLE should ans always been gated to solo mode regardless of AW/Aq. They used to add some bits to it but wasn't a factor behind it.
So a player who have done all the content necessary to get r4 materials, had to be in like top alliances like top 20. So you mean this new title should only be exclusive to only 600 players meanwhile disregarding the SKILL factor????? Monetizing the Solo mode with includance of competitive mode with regards of spending too. Does it look like PROGRESSION TITLE OR TITLE made for very ELITE SPENDERS.

I can only guess that you may be in high tier war like p1 or masters alliance. And we already have issue of war cost at the hand. which ironically dealing with same issue. So can you tell me how much of SKILL factor is taken in acount rather than SPENDING when we talk about while community instead of certain group of spenders.
Why the hell AW/Aq are benchmark for justification of Story mode title???? It doesn't make any sense except the spending. Would you will be happy if War titles are distributed if suddenly solo mode is taken into consideration. Will you justify it lol

Dynamics

Well I understand tying the game to roster progression but really this is just a pay wall which most f2p games have turned into unless R4 material is more available tied through content. Cheers to another 7 years, a part of my soul died today