Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

Maratox

It really should be two rank 4 champs. Three is too many. Total miss

RicoShay

BitterSteel said:

Fit_Fun9329 said:

It’s a pay-title. It’s nearly impossible that f2p players have 3 r4s. I always had the newest progression title but that is simply too much. For TB I did back then my first abyss completion. What can I do now to obtain 3 r4s? It’s huge man. It’s not a good feeling right now.

For context: I have 1 r4 and have everything in game on 100% except some carina challenges. It shifts more in p2w direction

Why is it a pay title if you can’t get it the second it launches?

Is it bad to work for things?

You have to admit currently the title will only be available to the small minority of FTP players at the top. It'll become more FTP as time passes but for now it is a very pay to earn title. No point denying it.

PH_Junky

Will there be a paragon level for spring cleaning or will throne breaker be the highest? Would like to know before it starts. Thanks

metalman695

I love the direction y'all are going with this, and I totally support the idea that rank up should be an influence on your profile progression. That said, three is too many. Especially considering that those who missed a piece of content with the appropriate materials can't go back and get them now. I think two r4s makes a lot more sense - that means you would have earned one and gotten one from 7.4 100%, or you have earned two, or you would've bought two. It's a great idea, I think it needs to be a little bit more accessible but more difficult to attain than thronebreaker was

JJ4

Now that this is coming, is it possible to remove 3 stars from cavalier crystals? They really should not be there

lIPowerIl

Why they talking about abyss runs. There is no r4 materials

Demonzfyre

Kabam Miike said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

I've completed everything the game has to offer. Carina Challenge's included, as well as the Summer of Pain event. Adding that I also completed the Grandmaster's Gauntlet, and bought the unit offers there as well on cyber monday, and 4th of july (although I don't remember if those had rank 4 materials in them).

Having said that, it is not possible for me to have a 3rd rank 4 champion. Luckily I recently got the champion to use the gem I got on act 7, so that will sort my 2nd option.

So, how's that? Even with additional ways of getting these materials than the one's that were pointed out, it is still not possible for a player like me to get a 3rd rank 4 champion. So clearly something must be wrong there with your calculations.

I do believe I missed something. Let me math and get back to this.

You didn't. He doesn't do top 45 AQ nor plat 1 to masters AW.

Panchulon21

I mean if you think about it carinas challenges are a money sack also. Most people don’t complete it itemless, even the most skilled
People. Sure ill give you this though.

Even if you have 100% everything you can’t have 3 rank 4s. You’ll be close so your logic is complete trash. This has nothing to do with skill it’s about how deep your pockets are and how big of an alliance you are in.

I will be Frank I don’t spend outside of sigil but this is the first time I won’t have the progression title at launch day and that’s horrible. This should be tied to 1 rank 4 and 100% act 7. People who have done much less than me in the game have multiple rank 4s because they just dish out their Amex or visa to get those things.

A free to play player will not get this progression title for a while, because you’re not giving out enough materials. You guys are being stupid stingy with it because you want folks to spend. We get it the game needs to continue and pay developers and all, but off things to skilled players.

Demonzfyre

You can equate this progression title to a Gold 1 alliance wondering why they can't get Masters seasons rewards.

BuggyDClown

Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

Alisson898999

Seriously, one of the most absurd things 3XR4. Illogical

Skydad23

What a joke! You can complete every bit of continent and not have enough resources for this.
So basically if you want the new progression in the rewards to come with it you have to spend money.
Kabam knows how to treat the people that play this game. So wrong

Alisson898999

The game does not offer a feature to level up easily, even in end-game content.

RiderofHell

Darkraw346 said:

YES! YAY!
Just one question... the heck Paragon means?
I thought about a name that is more... related to 7.4

Watch Crisis on Inifinite Earth 😂

lIPowerIl

Panchulon21 said:

I mean if you think about it carinas challenges are a money sack also. Most people don’t complete it itemless, even the most skilled
People. Sure ill give you this though.

Even if you have 100% everything you can’t have 3 rank 4s. You’ll be close so your logic is complete trash. This has nothing to do with skill it’s about how deep your pockets are and how big of an alliance you are in.

I will be Frank I don’t spend outside of sigil but this is the first time I won’t have the progression title at launch day and that’s horrible. This should be tied to 1 rank 4 and 100% act 7. People who have done much less than me in the game have multiple rank 4s because they just dish out their Amex or visa to get those things.

A free to play player will not get this progression title for a while, because you’re not giving out enough materials. You guys are being stupid stingy with it because you want folks to spend. We get it the game needs to continue and pay developers and all, but off things to skilled players.

Same to me. Never write in forums but this time i come too. This is totaly bs to have 3 r4. I have only one and i dont think anytime soon i will get 3. I have done act7 100% too.

Demonzfyre

BuggyDClown said:

Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.

BitterSteel

RicoShay said:

BitterSteel said:

Fit_Fun9329 said:

It’s a pay-title. It’s nearly impossible that f2p players have 3 r4s. I always had the newest progression title but that is simply too much. For TB I did back then my first abyss completion. What can I do now to obtain 3 r4s? It’s huge man. It’s not a good feeling right now.

For context: I have 1 r4 and have everything in game on 100% except some carina challenges. It shifts more in p2w direction

Why is it a pay title if you can’t get it the second it launches?

Is it bad to work for things?

You have to admit currently the title will only be available to the small minority of FTP players at the top. It'll become more FTP as time passes but for now it is a very pay to earn title. No point denying it.

I’m of the opinion that spending on a FTP game, or being at the very very top should award some perks. Or the game stops being spent on, and people stop trying at the top because there are no benefits.

This is one of the benefits. I’m not one who benefits from it in this situation (not a hardcore spender, not in a top alliance), I still have to get 2 T3As, but I understand that not everything will be handed to me just for turning up, and sometimes it’s actually ok to work for things in the game.

It is really not a big deal that F2P players cannot get this title day 1 unless they are in a top alliance. F2P players could be in a top alliance and get it, but it’s absolutely ok for challenges to be set that people work for.

Searmenis

Is there a Paragon Difficulty in the making as well? Sounds only fair and appropriate...

lIPowerIl

Demonzfyre said:

BuggyDClown said:

Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.

Why aq and aw matters progresion titles all the time was story based

TitoBandito187

Whelp, that was a kick in the junk. Pay walled into this for quite some time it looks like. Been TB 1 1/2 years, explored all of ACT 7 and am nowhere near forming any R4. So far have 27K of 45K needed to form 1 T3A and then have to get 2 more (and 3 more again). Have 51,300K of my 1st T6B and need 5 more of those too. Just wow. I don't expect to get there ASAP, but come on. Sucking the life out of the game and I'm sure the pay deals for 4th, Black Fr
Friday, Spring Cleaning will be another gut punch. Just me venting and ranting, but how do others feel about the requirement?

TyEdge

It’s funny that last year’s spring cleaning introduced r4 mats and now this year’s announcement effectively includes the announcement of paragon.

I got all the SOP points but not the finale (one path only). I got some from gifting. I have 1.15 of each catalyst type. I’ve done chunks of 7.2-7.4. The idea that I need 4.85 of each to get this title is a real kick in the nads and diminishes my motivation.

I also think it’s really terrible that you announce this barely a month after the release of 7.4 with the 10,000 unit offer. I expected a requirement of 2, if I’m being honest. 1 r4 (100% act 7) isn’t enough…I get that. 2 felt right. I *never* would’ve finished 7.4 and missed out on the 10,000 unit offer if I expected I had so far to go.

Rohit_316

Duo_Kulio

3 x 6r4 ? If we do all content we can do max 2 x6r4 ! a title available only to those who pay?

lIPowerIl

lIPowerIl said:

Demonzfyre said:

BuggyDClown said:

Wow Great timing to demotivate players like us. Yes I am not in High tier Aw ( P3 currently) and Aq( top 100). Have done all the challenges except Carina which I am working my way on. So F2Ps or players who don't spend money straight up screwed. There's difference between making said resources available slowly than having thake resources available only locked behind skill wall.
TB came when people could achieve it without spending money. Because content had enough to give you one.

But 3 r4s is total bs. Because If this new event is like Summer of pain then only very few people will get benefit from that title and it's exclusive objectives. Now remember how much gap there was between CAV rewards and TB rewards due to the point and objective system. But I coud understand that as game still offered to get you TB title with your skills and content availability.
But this new one does not give at all.it straight up BS to say have 3 r4s but when realistically players like me have at most 2 r4s at hand.
Exclude the deals and look at the all events and content till now. There's no way F2ps and very low spenders have chance to have 3 r4s anytime soon.

I know now some people jump at me saying that SPENDERS DESERVE SUCH ADVANTAGE BLA BLA BLA BLA. In reality it's rich getting richer with really no scope for other players to catch up. let me clear one thing, don't say that people will get r4 materials eventually etc etc. It's still rarest resources ( not including gifting event and 10k unit deals)in game and it will not be available in big chunks. And if this new event as I said structured like SOP, it will be a straight slap to players like me as like SOP, we may get some chunk of r4 material ; after the event ends. I am still hopeful how that event turns out. But as usual it's kind of predictable how it will come out .
Constant bugs, lags, Aw controversy and now this.

I don't understand how this is demotivating at all. It would be if it's something you could NEVER achieve but that's not the case here. You might not be Paragon day 1 but just like all other progression titles, you'll get there once you catch up.

You said it yourself, you don't high tier AQ and AW. That's not on Kabam and they can't just make a title to fit your individual needs or your personal requirements.

Why aq and aw matters progresion titles all the time was story based

Imagine next progresion title have 500k arena wins and wht you say than.

Demonzfyre

Skydad23 said:

What a joke! You can complete every bit of continent and not have enough resources for this.
So basically if you want the new progression in the rewards to come with it you have to spend money.
Kabam knows how to treat the people that play this game. So wrong

You've missed the point completely. They didn't say that completing all content would net you 3 R4's but for some reason, you chose to focus on that to fit your argument.

Werewrym

Available day 1 to everyone, and available day 1 to those who have spent units or $$$ on offers are not the same thing, just FYI… I’m fine with the progression title but let’s not pretend this is just readily available to anyone who has completed all content and competes in top alliances.

BitterSteel

Panchulon21 said:

I mean if you think about it carinas challenges are a money sack also. Most people don’t complete it itemless, even the most skilled
People.

Using items does not mean money sack

Grind out units, grind out potions, grind out revives. Everything in the game being able to be completed F2P means it’s absolutely categorically not a money sack.