Introducing the next Campaign Progression Level: Paragon!

ItsDamien

I can’t wait for all the new Thronebreakers who used to complain about being “slapped in the face” as a cavalier to now complain about being slapped in the face again as a Thronebreaker 😂

Eternity0

@BitterSteel Mate i see your point. Carina's 2 is great. Carina 1 LOL challenges are pathetic. To get high tier materials from aw or aq you have to be at near high prestige level which needs sig stones which well we don't get or have. Bold statement.

Of course i know in next 4-6 months r4 materials might be very viable to get its not necessary to get the title at the very first day still justification of kabam's part is poop.

Fit_Fun9329

It’s a pay-title. It’s nearly impossible that f2p players have 3 r4s. I always had the newest progression title but that is simply too much. For TB I did back then my first abyss completion. What can I do now to obtain 3 r4s? It’s huge man. It’s not a good feeling right now.

For context: I have 1 r4 and have everything in game on 100% except some carina challenges. It shifts more in p2w direction

Jaded

BitterSteel said:

DeaconVelvet said:

When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

corrected it lol

I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

Completed all of the Story Content in-game
Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

Which of these do you fulfil?

So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol

Gamer

ItsDamien said:

I can’t wait for all the new Thronebreakers who used to complain about being “slapped in the face” as a cavalier to now complain about being slapped in the face again as a Thronebreaker 😂

I’m may be a bit disappointed in awhile but again after 7.4 I’m be having 2 so one more should be to bad

NaoTomori

BitterSteel said:

benshb said:

Wow. So it's really the death of FTP.

This seems a little dramatic.. FTP players can get about 75% of the way there before today. You have to work a little more, what’s the big deal?

My only issue is that they say
" With that in mind, we made sure that on day 1, it was possible to do for a Summoner that has:
Completed all of the Story Content in-game
Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance"

Which isn't true. I also don't agree on progression titles being locked behind spending. I don't mind champ rank progression, but this is a little silly.
It is technically possible if you grinded for the unit offers on Cyber and from 7.4, but it isn't realistic in the slightest for f2p players.

lIPowerIl

Thats really too much 3 r4 champs. Was good times when complete story was enought to get title without spending money or waiting extra years to get title.

Kabam Miike

Jaded said:

Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.

Kabam Miike

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

I've completed everything the game has to offer. Carina Challenge's included, as well as the Summer of Pain event. Adding that I also completed the Grandmaster's Gauntlet, and bought the unit offers there as well on cyber monday, and 4th of july (although I don't remember if those had rank 4 materials in them).

Having said that, it is not possible for me to have a 3rd rank 4 champion. Luckily I recently got the champion to use the gem I got on act 7, so that will sort my 2nd option.

So, how's that? Even with additional ways of getting these materials than the one's that were pointed out, it is still not possible for a player like me to get a 3rd rank 4 champion. So clearly something must be wrong there with your calculations.

I do believe I missed something. Let me math and get back to this.

Deacon

Cpt_Awesomeo55 said:

Hmmm I’m f2p. Plat 3 alliance that runs map 8 top 100. 100% all content except carrina aol challenges. Was able to get 2 r4’s after getting. The 10k deal after 7.4. Not anywhere close to 3. Looks like this title is directly linked to how much people can spend during gifting event. Title might as well be “paragonnaspend”

wait a second ... it's totally possible for a F2P player to have 3 Rank 4s already ... at least some would proclaim smh

Jaded

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.

The make it possible to have those rank up materials in story content/side quests/carina challenges. 3 r4s means you are either tier 1 wars or spent a ton at gifting. This is unacceptable imo.

lIPowerIl

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.

Than maybe do 15800 prestige requirement. Thats will be good. 😂

xNig

Why 3 R4s?

Well, blame those that complained that 1 R3 for Thronebreaker was “subjected to rng”. 🤷🏻‍♂️

DrZola

Show me the odds of every possible pull from the new daily/4-hour crystals. If they are anything like the TB versions, they will be all front and no back.

As for 3 R4’s…hmmm. Going to have to think on that one. If it’s supposed to drive me to get stuff done, I need to know the real value of all the new stuff, not just promises of things like exclusive offers.

Dr. Zola

Demonzfyre

We really will complain about anything huh.

Deacon

BitterSteel said:

DeaconVelvet said:

When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

corrected it lol

I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

Completed all of the Story Content in-game
Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

Which of these do you fulfil?

all of them except higher tier competitive wars. i mean i enjoy war but not at the cost it takes .. i've been there so i know what it takes. no worries though ... i don't agree or disagree really .. just pointing out that throwing in the competitive tier thing makes it more of a slap to "other" players than normal.

i'm ok with the rank up requirement because eventually most will get it especially as resources become more available ... i'm just not a fan of edging things towards the spenders and "competitive" players. there's room for more inclusion rather than more exclusion and everyone can be happy.

BitterSteel

Jaded said:

BitterSteel said:

DeaconVelvet said:

When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

corrected it lol

I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

Completed all of the Story Content in-game
Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

Which of these do you fulfil?

So if people aren’t in t1 wars we don’t deserve the new title? Lol

I’ve done all but Carina 1, and the high tier war. I’ve got 2 R4s and I’ve only bought about 30k T3A (22k was with units anyway, so accessible for F2P). Adding on the carina 1 means I got 2 rank 4s, and then only need 2 more T3A in order to get the title.

I’d say getting 75% (7 out of 9 T3As) of the way without having to spend money, and without having to be in a top alliance is pretty good wouldn’t you? Don’t you think top alliances and spenders should get benefits, and in this case only 25% extra isn’t that much?

RicoShay

It's meant to be a challenge so you shouldn't feel upset knowing you don't meet the requirements on day 1. Titles have and always will follow this suite. The FTP players also have an opinion and it's fair to voice. Nobody is "allergic to hard work" because to meet those milestones the FTP community has to work the hardest. Fingers crossed with the new title being introduced that the r4 materials have a serious increase in availability to make the title more achievable for highly skilled and committed players. Far out though I'll get dislikes for saying this but some people need to grow up and be less fragile about it. You'll get the title eventually.

H3t3r

xNig said:

Why 3 R4s?

Well, blame those that complained that 1 R3 for Thronebreaker was “subjected to rng”. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I would change it to 2 r4s but add more requirements like abyss 100%, all acts of story mode 100%.

Yodabolt21

Jaded said:

Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

Agreed. With champ acquisition being tied to RNG, I don't want to r4 champs that I don't want to just to achieve this status. Why can't it be be tied to amount of 6* champs, or just explore act 7?

Just for me personally, I have 111 6* champs, but none of the "best" in the game. No Doom, Warlock, Apoc, Ghost, AA, Torch, Void, Herc, CGR etc... for me. The only 2 champs I have as a 6* that I would consider r4ing is Kingpin and Sigil Witch.

Malreck04

lIPowerIl said:

Kabam Miike said:

Jaded said:

Idk why progression titles have to be tied to rank ups. Bad form to continue this trend imo.

Because we can no longer tie them to Story Content without significantly raising the difficulty again, and that's not what players want. They are not just a random reward, but a differentiator for where Players are in-game, what content would be a challenge to them, and what rewards they need to move forward.

Roster strength is a better indicator than just having completed Act 7 now.

Than maybe do 15800 prestige requirement. Thats will be good. 😂

Hell no. Then it wouldn’t just be tied to rank, but to a specific subset of champions, and an extremely small one at that

LJF

"Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance"

What level alliance will this be?

BitterSteel

Fit_Fun9329 said:

It’s a pay-title. It’s nearly impossible that f2p players have 3 r4s. I always had the newest progression title but that is simply too much. For TB I did back then my first abyss completion. What can I do now to obtain 3 r4s? It’s huge man. It’s not a good feeling right now.

For context: I have 1 r4 and have everything in game on 100% except some carina challenges. It shifts more in p2w direction

Why is it a pay title if you can’t get it the second it launches?

Is it bad to work for things?

lIPowerIl

LJF said:

"Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance"

What level alliance will this be?

Tier 1 probably

Demonzfyre

LJF said:

"Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance"

What level alliance will this be?

Tier 1- Plat 1 and Masters.
AQ top 45

LJF

lIPowerIl said:

LJF said:

"Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance"

What level alliance will this be?

Tier 1 probably

I hope not, because those players have more than 3 r4s anyway. This built-in exception will help 5-10 people at most if it's restricted to tier 1. But I guess we will see where Kabam cuts it off.

Raichu626

This is a lazy, unimaginative, and frankly shameful way to try and make r4s relevant to players outside of the prestige race.

At least try to make r4s worth their catalysts before doing something like this

DrDrill

instead of brining this nonsense requirements (I have done all content, with only 2 r4 6*, at 1 catalyst for both)
you should update the Thronbreaker title, we still only gets grandmaster crystals, calendar is outdated AF day 1, all deals and offers are combined with Cav title rather than standalone,
no Thronbreaker difficulty in SQ.
nothing special besides the daily crystal, everything else is meh.

make it 2 r4, if not, increase t4cc accusation (get rid of the stupid catalyst clash arena)
increase t6cc t3a inventory cap, alone with t4cc cap.

again, do something about t4cc for god sake,

Malreck04

ANIMEniac said:

Congratulations. As soon as my black Iso subscription ends I'll be done spending money on this game. We went from Progression Titles being locked behind doing the most difficult and recent content to having spent thousands on unit and cash offers and playing the highest tiers of AW. This isn't tied behind completing Abyss or fully exploring Act 7. It's doing something that is impossible for either casual or FTP players. This game is going down hill fast and you are trying to milk every last drop out of your player base possible.

Well, this isn’t meant for the casual player, at least not at launch

Demonzfyre

DeaconVelvet said:

BitterSteel said:

DeaconVelvet said:

When we said that this is for those that have done everything, we meant it!

"When we said that this is for those that have spent on everything, we meant it!"

corrected it lol

I've done everything and i"m nowhere near 3 Rank 4s. not even close to 2 LOL but then i don't spend like the folks who would have 3+ rank 4 six stars. oh well.

Completed all of the Story Content in-game
Completed all of last year’s Summer of Pain objectives
Completed Carina’s Challenges (Volumes 1 and 2),
Plays in a higher tier competitive Alliance

Which of these do you fulfil?

all of them except higher tier competitive wars. i mean i enjoy war but not at the cost it takes .. i've been there so i know what it takes. no worries though ... i don't agree or disagree really .. just pointing out that throwing in the competitive tier thing makes it more of a slap to "other" players than normal.

i'm ok with the rank up requirement because eventually most will get it especially as resources become more available ... i'm just not a fan of edging things towards the spenders and "competitive" players. there's room for more inclusion rather than more exclusion and everyone can be happy.

There are plenty of non-spenders in high tier AQ and AW.