Meh, I think this side event kinda sux. And that kinda sux because I lost interest in the monthly EQ a long time ago. Between this and the Deadpool event way to drop the ball twice in one month Kabam 👎
Notice no one has actually gave a reason to not like them besides they haven't gotten a six star AG yet
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is.
The bolded is the entire reason not to like them. If you and I put in the same effort, yet you get 5 non-candy days and I get 0 non-candy days, then it’s an unfair event. I don’t need or want 2* sig stones or 3* shards, but I’ll be forced to buy them to use my candy while you have 2 6* AG, 2MM gold, and 2 T5B cats dropped into your lap.
That’s what people are pissed about. I’m on five straight days of candy, while others are posting they’ve hit the RNG jackpot three times already. To the point in your post, it’s not that we haven’t gotten our 6* AG YET, it’s that there is ZERO guarantee that I or others in my same position will see a single 6* AG. We’ve fallen behind others in terms of game economy due to no fault of our own and with no way to catch up based on our own actions, just hoping for the luck of the draw.
All that people are asking for is equal payout for equal effort. Rewards shouldn’t be a lottery that some people get and others don’t.
I do not want RNG rewards. Everything else in this game is RNG, and I fully get why. But going into a quest and not knowing what I'm actually going to walk away with (most likely disappointment), is garbage.
Getting shafted on great rewards gives a feeling of regret in doing it in the first place. Makes me feel like I wasted my time. There's going to be people that walk away with nothing other than candy this whole event and are going to be beyond upset over it, and I don't blame them. Putting in the same work as everyone else but receive substantially less? It's B.S.
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
You realize the candy store is the exact same as every monthly side quest if you 100% all difficulties right?
People will complain about the RNG of rifts every month, but still do them exactly the same as any other month. Kabam are not listening to the relatively small sample of the vocal minority who hate rifts, they are listening to the data of how many people are doing the rifts. Those of you who are complaining about rifts, put your candy where your mouth is and don’t do them if you hate them so much. That’s the only thing that’ll stop kabam doing them.
If you complain about rifts, log off the forum grumbling and then go and do your rift, what message is that sending to Kabam?
And honestly this is poor logic you got here @BitterSteel . So I don't like the way Kabam chooses to reward people so I should just simply not do it? This isn't the only side quest or just quest in general that I hate but still do it, because there are still rewards that I do want/need.
I don't care if I walked away with 5 6* awakening gems. I'd still talk about how I hate the idea of the rewards people receive being based on RNG. Cause no matter what, there was the real chance i could have walked away with far far less. There will be people that walk away with far far less and it's not fair to them.
So I'll continue to collect my daily candy. Grab the things here and there in the terrible candy store that I can use or need. Continue to bash this side quest, and there's nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion on this.
The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
You forgot to say that we have to complete the objectives as well. You forgot or didn't wanna mention it?
How long would you estimate it takes you to do your objective?
well I have to open the forums, find the thread, find the name, go and search the name, make sure I haven't done any spelling errors and then duel him. This is an annoying chore that we shouldn't have to do
Oh that's weird, because I just checked how long it took me to do and it was 1 and a half minutes. And I wasn't even rushing.
I can send you the screen recording if you’d like. Feel free to add me on Line, I’ll send it over. BitterSteel99
I went from completely empty Home Screen, then type in mcoc forum, then open the most recent thread, copy a name, open the game and let it load, search the copy and pasted name and duelled the 3*, then went to objectives.
I’m not sure what to say if you think less than 2 mins of your time is a chore, you could hold your breath longer than that..
Of all the things to complain about, I think 1:30mins is quite a small one.
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
You realize the candy store is the exact same as every monthly side quest if you 100% all difficulties right?
People will complain about the RNG of rifts every month, but still do them exactly the same as any other month. Kabam are not listening to the relatively small sample of the vocal minority who hate rifts, they are listening to the data of how many people are doing the rifts. Those of you who are complaining about rifts, put your candy where your mouth is and don’t do them if you hate them so much. That’s the only thing that’ll stop kabam doing them.
If you complain about rifts, log off the forum grumbling and then go and do your rift, what message is that sending to Kabam?
And honestly this is poor logic you got here @BitterSteel . So I don't like the way Kabam chooses to reward people so I should just simply not do it? This isn't the only side quest or just quest in general that I hate but still do it, because there are still rewards that I do want/need.
I don't care if I walked away with 5 6* awakening gems. I'd still talk about how I hate the idea of the rewards people receive being based on RNG. Cause no matter what, there was the real chance i could have walked away with far far less. There will be people that walk away with far far less and it's not fair to them.
So I'll continue to collect my daily candy. Grab the things here and there in the terrible candy store that I can use or need. Continue to bash this side quest, and there's nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion on this.
A small minority complain every time rifts come up, if you think it’s going to change this time then there’s something that can be said for your persistence, if not for your effectiveness.
I’m not saying you have a moral duty not to do it if you don’t like it. I’m saying that 30-50 people on the forum complaining and 100 people “agree reacting” to posts that complain clearly is not changing Kabam’s mind when they have hundreds of thousands of players actually doing the event.
So it’s unfair that one player can come away with a 6* gem and others won’t, but it’s not unfair that one player can come away with a Hercules and one with drax?
It’s just odd how people draw the distinction here to suit their complaints. There is a hell of a lot of non-RNG things in the game, BGs store, Glory store, Loyalty store, awakening gems that you choose who to use them on - it’s Rng for which class, but once I have a science I can use on whoever I want, that aspect isn’t RNG (and generic ones aren’t either). But there is also a hell of a lot of RNG, almost the entire champion acquisition system, classes of items/cats etc etc.
There is also a whole heap of rewards that aren’t RNG in the candy store. Now, if your point was purely about the candy store I’d agree. It’s definitely time to have a TB and Paragon aspect to the store. That is the place that kabam are lagging behind on.
Not to mention, that if all of you guys got your way and rifts and RNG was done away with for side quests, the highest value rewards would go down. Instead of 6* gems, we’d see T5B and 6* shards as the top prizes. Why? Because when things are RNG you can control how many get them. You want 10k 6* shards to go out to the average player, make the top prize 50k with a 20% chance. You don’t want RNG? Ok, now it’s a guaranteed 10k.
You might think “yeah I’d prefer the guaranteed 10k” and yeah, personally I’d agree as I’m not that much of a gambler. But that’s not my point. Now imagine it with 6* gems, you can’t do X% of a 6* gem. So it’s either gonna be an RNG chance at it, or nothing. It’s replaced with something else less valuable.
My overarching point is this - a small minority complaining on the forum is not going to get rid of rifts, because they haven’t managed it the last 5 times, rifts work, I personally think they’re fun and I’m not alone. The forum twists perspective sometimes and makes it seem like 99% of the playerbase hate something, but it’s 99% of the 50 angriest players who hate it so much. Most will shrug and try their chance at a 6* gem, disappointed if they don’t but not furious. They understand that there is RNG in the game and it’s not just limited to crystals.
I just find it easiest to stop caring. About rifts, complaining, kabam, etc. just stop caring about this game and your life immediately becomes 100x better. I promise 👍🏽
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
You realize the candy store is the exact same as every monthly side quest if you 100% all difficulties right?
People will complain about the RNG of rifts every month, but still do them exactly the same as any other month. Kabam are not listening to the relatively small sample of the vocal minority who hate rifts, they are listening to the data of how many people are doing the rifts. Those of you who are complaining about rifts, put your candy where your mouth is and don’t do them if you hate them so much. That’s the only thing that’ll stop kabam doing them.
If you complain about rifts, log off the forum grumbling and then go and do your rift, what message is that sending to Kabam?
And honestly this is poor logic you got here @BitterSteel . So I don't like the way Kabam chooses to reward people so I should just simply not do it? This isn't the only side quest or just quest in general that I hate but still do it, because there are still rewards that I do want/need.
I don't care if I walked away with 5 6* awakening gems. I'd still talk about how I hate the idea of the rewards people receive being based on RNG. Cause no matter what, there was the real chance i could have walked away with far far less. There will be people that walk away with far far less and it's not fair to them.
So I'll continue to collect my daily candy. Grab the things here and there in the terrible candy store that I can use or need. Continue to bash this side quest, and there's nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion on this.
A small minority complain every time rifts come up, if you think it’s going to change this time then there’s something that can be said for your persistence, if not for your effectiveness.
I’m not saying you have a moral duty not to do it if you don’t like it. I’m saying that 30-50 people on the forum complaining and 100 people “agree reacting” to posts that complain clearly is not changing Kabam’s mind when they have hundreds of thousands of players actually doing the event.
So it’s unfair that one player can come away with a 6* gem and others won’t, but it’s not unfair that one player can come away with a Hercules and one with drax?
It’s just odd how people draw the distinction here to suit their complaints. There is a hell of a lot of non-RNG things in the game, BGs store, Glory store, Loyalty store, awakening gems that you choose who to use them on - it’s Rng for which class, but once I have a science I can use on whoever I want, that aspect isn’t RNG (and generic ones aren’t either). But there is also a hell of a lot of RNG, almost the entire champion acquisition system, classes of items/cats etc etc.
There is also a whole heap of rewards that aren’t RNG in the candy store. Now, if your point was purely about the candy store I’d agree. It’s definitely time to have a TB and Paragon aspect to the store. That is the place that kabam are lagging behind on.
Not to mention, that if all of you guys got your way and rifts and RNG was done away with for side quests, the highest value rewards would go down. Instead of 6* gems, we’d see T5B and 6* shards as the top prizes. Why? Because when things are RNG you can control how many get them. You want 10k 6* shards to go out to the average player, make the top prize 50k with a 20% chance. You don’t want RNG? Ok, now it’s a guaranteed 10k.
You might think “yeah I’d prefer the guaranteed 10k” and yeah, personally I’d agree as I’m not that much of a gambler. But that’s not my point. Now imagine it with 6* gems, you can’t do X% of a 6* gem. So it’s either gonna be an RNG chance at it, or nothing. It’s replaced with something else less valuable.
My overarching point is this - a small minority complaining on the forum is not going to get rid of rifts, because they haven’t managed it the last 5 times, rifts work, I personally think they’re fun and I’m not alone. The forum twists perspective sometimes and makes it seem like 99% of the playerbase hate something, but it’s 99% of the 50 angriest players who hate it so much. Most will shrug and try their chance at a 6* gem, disappointed if they don’t but not furious. They understand that there is RNG in the game and it’s not just limited to crystals.
So just because Kabam isn't listening or caring about what some of the community says, I should just lay back, shut up, and fall in line? Am I understanding this right? I don't care how many times they've done or how many times they will do it. As a player of the game and a member of the community, I am allowed to let them know what my stance is on it. I will continue to fight this every time they introduce it.
Also, you seem incredibly supportive of RNG, even to a fault I'd say. Shoot why should Kabam stop here? Make the rewards RNG for Act 8.2. Maybe you'll get r4 mats? Maybe you'll get a 1-2 gem instead. Or maybe you'll get 2 T5bc. Who knows? Let's just go ahead and add it everywhere huh? EQ, maybe you'll get 6* shards or maybe you'll get 5* ones instead.
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
You realize the candy store is the exact same as every monthly side quest if you 100% all difficulties right?
People will complain about the RNG of rifts every month, but still do them exactly the same as any other month. Kabam are not listening to the relatively small sample of the vocal minority who hate rifts, they are listening to the data of how many people are doing the rifts. Those of you who are complaining about rifts, put your candy where your mouth is and don’t do them if you hate them so much. That’s the only thing that’ll stop kabam doing them.
If you complain about rifts, log off the forum grumbling and then go and do your rift, what message is that sending to Kabam?
And honestly this is poor logic you got here @BitterSteel . So I don't like the way Kabam chooses to reward people so I should just simply not do it? This isn't the only side quest or just quest in general that I hate but still do it, because there are still rewards that I do want/need.
I don't care if I walked away with 5 6* awakening gems. I'd still talk about how I hate the idea of the rewards people receive being based on RNG. Cause no matter what, there was the real chance i could have walked away with far far less. There will be people that walk away with far far less and it's not fair to them.
So I'll continue to collect my daily candy. Grab the things here and there in the terrible candy store that I can use or need. Continue to bash this side quest, and there's nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion on this.
A small minority complain every time rifts come up, if you think it’s going to change this time then there’s something that can be said for your persistence, if not for your effectiveness.
I’m not saying you have a moral duty not to do it if you don’t like it. I’m saying that 30-50 people on the forum complaining and 100 people “agree reacting” to posts that complain clearly is not changing Kabam’s mind when they have hundreds of thousands of players actually doing the event.
So it’s unfair that one player can come away with a 6* gem and others won’t, but it’s not unfair that one player can come away with a Hercules and one with drax?
It’s just odd how people draw the distinction here to suit their complaints. There is a hell of a lot of non-RNG things in the game, BGs store, Glory store, Loyalty store, awakening gems that you choose who to use them on - it’s Rng for which class, but once I have a science I can use on whoever I want, that aspect isn’t RNG (and generic ones aren’t either). But there is also a hell of a lot of RNG, almost the entire champion acquisition system, classes of items/cats etc etc.
There is also a whole heap of rewards that aren’t RNG in the candy store. Now, if your point was purely about the candy store I’d agree. It’s definitely time to have a TB and Paragon aspect to the store. That is the place that kabam are lagging behind on.
Not to mention, that if all of you guys got your way and rifts and RNG was done away with for side quests, the highest value rewards would go down. Instead of 6* gems, we’d see T5B and 6* shards as the top prizes. Why? Because when things are RNG you can control how many get them. You want 10k 6* shards to go out to the average player, make the top prize 50k with a 20% chance. You don’t want RNG? Ok, now it’s a guaranteed 10k.
You might think “yeah I’d prefer the guaranteed 10k” and yeah, personally I’d agree as I’m not that much of a gambler. But that’s not my point. Now imagine it with 6* gems, you can’t do X% of a 6* gem. So it’s either gonna be an RNG chance at it, or nothing. It’s replaced with something else less valuable.
My overarching point is this - a small minority complaining on the forum is not going to get rid of rifts, because they haven’t managed it the last 5 times, rifts work, I personally think they’re fun and I’m not alone. The forum twists perspective sometimes and makes it seem like 99% of the playerbase hate something, but it’s 99% of the 50 angriest players who hate it so much. Most will shrug and try their chance at a 6* gem, disappointed if they don’t but not furious. They understand that there is RNG in the game and it’s not just limited to crystals.
So just because Kabam isn't listening or caring about what some of the community says, I should just lay back, shut up, and fall in line? Am I understanding this right? I don't care how many times they've done or how many times they will do it. As a player of the game and a member of the community, I am allowed to let them know what my stance is on it. I will continue to fight this every time they introduce it.
Also, you seem incredibly supportive of RNG, even to a fault I'd say. Shoot why should Kabam stop here? Make the rewards RNG for Act 8.2. Maybe you'll get r4 mats? Maybe you'll get a 1-2 gem instead. Or maybe you'll get 2 T5bc. Who knows? Let's just go ahead and add it everywhere huh? EQ, maybe you'll get 6* shards or maybe you'll get 5* ones instead.
You seem quite aggressive about this. I'd probably just remind you that we simply have different opinions about the game that we play, it's really not that deep for you to be this angry. If the way I've said my points has offended you please let me know and I can apologise for any misunderstanding, I definitely didn't intend any offence. But if you're just offended by me having a different opinion, then I'd probably just take a step back and think about why you're so angry about someone having a different point of view. You aren't right just because you feel strongly about something.
No, you shouldn't just shut up, I think all feedback is really important which is why I try not to ever tell people to stop adding to conversations even if I disagree with them. My point is that rifts have been in the game for years and years and they keep coming back, if they were actually unpopular with the game at large enough to impact player retention and monthly usage stats then Kabam would change it, they haven't changed it and in fact consistently bring them back, so they are clearly successful. You don't need to twist my words and claim I'm tell you to not give feedback, it doesn't help the message you're trying to give to kabam. Maybe this is the year that the vocal minority persuade rifts not to come back, but something about the last 5 times being the exact same cycle of rift, a few complain and repeat makes me doubt it.
Also, that's a hell of a strawman you've got there, claiming that because I defend RNG in one place I would like it everywhere. It's a disingenuous way to argue and anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see that I haven't said what you're exaggerating my points to be.
If you'd like to address my points without strawmanning them into me saying you should shut up, or that I want the entire game to be RNG, then I'll be happy to respond, if not, I don't see much point continuing if you won't discuss it genuinely.
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
You realize the candy store is the exact same as every monthly side quest if you 100% all difficulties right?
People will complain about the RNG of rifts every month, but still do them exactly the same as any other month. Kabam are not listening to the relatively small sample of the vocal minority who hate rifts, they are listening to the data of how many people are doing the rifts. Those of you who are complaining about rifts, put your candy where your mouth is and don’t do them if you hate them so much. That’s the only thing that’ll stop kabam doing them.
If you complain about rifts, log off the forum grumbling and then go and do your rift, what message is that sending to Kabam?
And honestly this is poor logic you got here @BitterSteel . So I don't like the way Kabam chooses to reward people so I should just simply not do it? This isn't the only side quest or just quest in general that I hate but still do it, because there are still rewards that I do want/need.
I don't care if I walked away with 5 6* awakening gems. I'd still talk about how I hate the idea of the rewards people receive being based on RNG. Cause no matter what, there was the real chance i could have walked away with far far less. There will be people that walk away with far far less and it's not fair to them.
So I'll continue to collect my daily candy. Grab the things here and there in the terrible candy store that I can use or need. Continue to bash this side quest, and there's nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion on this.
A small minority complain every time rifts come up, if you think it’s going to change this time then there’s something that can be said for your persistence, if not for your effectiveness.
I’m not saying you have a moral duty not to do it if you don’t like it. I’m saying that 30-50 people on the forum complaining and 100 people “agree reacting” to posts that complain clearly is not changing Kabam’s mind when they have hundreds of thousands of players actually doing the event.
So it’s unfair that one player can come away with a 6* gem and others won’t, but it’s not unfair that one player can come away with a Hercules and one with drax?
It’s just odd how people draw the distinction here to suit their complaints. There is a hell of a lot of non-RNG things in the game, BGs store, Glory store, Loyalty store, awakening gems that you choose who to use them on - it’s Rng for which class, but once I have a science I can use on whoever I want, that aspect isn’t RNG (and generic ones aren’t either). But there is also a hell of a lot of RNG, almost the entire champion acquisition system, classes of items/cats etc etc.
There is also a whole heap of rewards that aren’t RNG in the candy store. Now, if your point was purely about the candy store I’d agree. It’s definitely time to have a TB and Paragon aspect to the store. That is the place that kabam are lagging behind on.
Not to mention, that if all of you guys got your way and rifts and RNG was done away with for side quests, the highest value rewards would go down. Instead of 6* gems, we’d see T5B and 6* shards as the top prizes. Why? Because when things are RNG you can control how many get them. You want 10k 6* shards to go out to the average player, make the top prize 50k with a 20% chance. You don’t want RNG? Ok, now it’s a guaranteed 10k.
You might think “yeah I’d prefer the guaranteed 10k” and yeah, personally I’d agree as I’m not that much of a gambler. But that’s not my point. Now imagine it with 6* gems, you can’t do X% of a 6* gem. So it’s either gonna be an RNG chance at it, or nothing. It’s replaced with something else less valuable.
My overarching point is this - a small minority complaining on the forum is not going to get rid of rifts, because they haven’t managed it the last 5 times, rifts work, I personally think they’re fun and I’m not alone. The forum twists perspective sometimes and makes it seem like 99% of the playerbase hate something, but it’s 99% of the 50 angriest players who hate it so much. Most will shrug and try their chance at a 6* gem, disappointed if they don’t but not furious. They understand that there is RNG in the game and it’s not just limited to crystals.
So just because Kabam isn't listening or caring about what some of the community says, I should just lay back, shut up, and fall in line? Am I understanding this right? I don't care how many times they've done or how many times they will do it. As a player of the game and a member of the community, I am allowed to let them know what my stance is on it. I will continue to fight this every time they introduce it.
Also, you seem incredibly supportive of RNG, even to a fault I'd say. Shoot why should Kabam stop here? Make the rewards RNG for Act 8.2. Maybe you'll get r4 mats? Maybe you'll get a 1-2 gem instead. Or maybe you'll get 2 T5bc. Who knows? Let's just go ahead and add it everywhere huh? EQ, maybe you'll get 6* shards or maybe you'll get 5* ones instead.
You seem quite aggressive about this. I'd probably just remind you that we simply have different opinions about the game that we play, it's really not that deep for you to be this angry. If the way I've said my points has offended you please let me know and I can apologise for any misunderstanding, I definitely didn't intend any offence. But if you're just offended by me having a different opinion, then I'd probably just take a step back and think about why you're so angry about someone having a different point of view. You aren't right just because you feel strongly about something.
No, you shouldn't just shut up, I think all feedback is really important which is why I try not to ever tell people to stop adding to conversations even if I disagree with them. My point is that rifts have been in the game for years and years and they keep coming back, if they were actually unpopular with the game at large enough to impact player retention and monthly usage stats then Kabam would change it, they haven't changed it and in fact consistently bring them back, so they are clearly successful. You don't need to twist my words and claim I'm tell you to not give feedback, it doesn't help the message you're trying to give to kabam. Maybe this is the year that the vocal minority persuade rifts not to come back, but something about the last 5 times being the exact same cycle of rift, a few complain and repeat makes me doubt it.
Also, that's a hell of a strawman you've got there, claiming that because I defend RNG in one place I would like it everywhere. It's a disingenuous way to argue and anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see that I haven't said what you're exaggerating my points to be.
If you'd like to address my points without strawmanning them into me saying you should shut up, or that I want the entire game to be RNG, then I'll be happy to respond, if not, I don't see much point continuing if you won't discuss it genuinely.
I'm just trying to make sure that when this conversation is said and done, that my point was heard and understood. In the end I'm sure we'll still have different opinions, and that's fine. I'm not trying to persuade you to agree with my outlook. Clearly your outlook is different from mine.
Yeah RNG is nearly everywhere else in this game. That is just the way the game is. Whether 6* crystals or catalysts, etc. And obviously those alone leave people with disappointment. Now the rewards themselves are going to be RNG based too? Just to continue feelings of disappointment when people can't get those rewards. That doesn't sit well with me, never has. The only thing that kept me from really getting fired up in the past was that we could aquire keys to at least target rewards we wanted a few times. Didn't like the design but the keys made it feel like it wasn't as big of a deal. Now having rewards waved in my face with little to no chances of aquiring it, whatsoever, really doesn't sit well with me.
Looking at people simply doing it, doesn't feel like a fair way to judge if people enjoy something or not. As I've said, there's been plenty of other things I have disliked in this game, but completed them nonetheless, cause I have a roster I'm continuously trying to expand. Just like everyone else.
And sorry, but the way things were worded, it gave me the impression that you think I shouldn't express my opinion, because Kabam is going to continue to do what they want anyways. I will always throw my opinion in. No matter if you, Kabam, or anyone else likes it or not. I'm not trying to strawman you with anything, I'm simply responding with the impression you have given me throughout your argument.
Rewards already have RNG factored into them. I don't want what rewards I get to be RNG based as well. Plain and simple.
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
You realize the candy store is the exact same as every monthly side quest if you 100% all difficulties right?
Yep, TheMan is complaining about the rewards being meaningless from the candy store while saying that at least “normal side quest” is guaranteed rewards for effort, even though the candy store is guaranteed rewards for effort and the same as rewards for any other side quest - except this time there’s a chance for the top rewards in the game.
He’s wanting to have his cake and eat it.
Not to mention people will complain about RNG until the cows come home, yet continue playing this game inherently built on RNG. People saying how bad RNG is and then close down the forums, go and open their 6* Crystal, get some random T4cc, go and do the RNG rift they’re complaining about on the forum.
People curse RNG, but enjoy the adrenaline rush of opening crystals and getting what they want or need. You can’t have those highs without lows of not pulling good things. This game has and always will have RNG in it, you can’t say “oh I just don’t want RNG here”, the game is built around it.
People will complain about the RNG of rifts every month, but still do them exactly the same as any other month. Kabam are not listening to the relatively small sample of the vocal minority who hate rifts, they are listening to the data of how many people are doing the rifts. Those of you who are complaining about rifts, put your candy where your mouth is and don’t do them if you hate them so much. That’s the only thing that’ll stop kabam doing them.
If you complain about rifts, log off the forum grumbling and then go and do your rift, what message is that sending to Kabam?
While most of this is true, I can understand RNG, hate it, and still not want it in certain parts of the game. Crystals have RNG, and I like opening crystals. I get highs and lows but I know it’s RNG. Sometimes however I feel the effort isn’t rewarded in the RNG and that sucks but it happens. There’s 2 places of RNG that I hate in the game: rifts and cav crystals as rewards for act 6.
Cav crystals as rewards for act 6 is mean and it is almost like a obtaining a 3 star to go through act 6, which is how I felt when I first completed it awhile ago. For rifts, I would rather have increasingly difficult paths for rewards and a better shot to get them, and not me having to hope I get something other than candy.
When they give us a way to select a path, I enjoy that and it’s cool, but I hate random paths and find it annoying. While the game is built off RNG, we can enjoy the game and not need to to be everywhere. I get the point of this side quest is to almost guarantee normal side quest rewards with a shot at getting something better, I’m just personally not a fan, even if my luck hasn’t been too bad so far.
I find it quite ironic that they are called Rifts and that the community is split 50/50 on whether they enjoy them or not.
I'm repeating myself here from other threads but 5 days in is really too early to be judging the rewards. The people who have pulled 3 or more top prizes may yet get only candy for the rest of the event. Not only that, but you are seriously undervaluing what's in the candy store when you're writing off the candy store as trash. That's just a negative dismissive response born solely out of the disappointment of not landing on one of the rarer paths... Which if you check the odds, shouldn't come as a surprise or disappointment at all.
I also don't like the reference to getting less than someone else despite putting in the same amount of effort. That's actually a core dynamic of this game when you think of every crystal you own. 2 people can have put in exactly the same effort into EoP but one gets Hercules from their nexus and the other gets Iron Patriot. It happens. Chances are that repeat the scenario and fortunes are reversed. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
Anyway, as a side note, I'd take rifts over last months SQ any day of the week. Much faster to complete and way less energy intensive. Would I rather run one path a day or several a day over multiple difficulties throughout the week? No brainer for me.
I also don't like the reference to getting less than someone else despite putting in the same amount of effort. That's actually a core dynamic of this game when you think of every crystal you own. 2 people can have put in exactly the same effort into EoP but one gets Hercules from their nexus and the other gets Iron Patriot. It happens. Chances are that repeat the scenario and fortunes are reversed. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
No, both people who did EOP get a Nexus and they each get a choice.
A more appropriate analogy is that two people do EoP, but one gets a 6* Nexus and the other gets a 3* crystal. The person who gets the Nexus may get three crappy choices but they still get to choose which crappy 6* they wind up with, while the other person gets stuck with whatever 3* the game hands them.
My last 6* was Iron Fist, and the one before that was Ms Marvel (Danvers, not Khan), while one of my alliance mates just pulled 6* Aegon and Knull the other day. Thing is, I’m OK with that, because I accept RNG coming from the crystals. It happens.
I will not, however, just accept RNG as part of a reward system as the way “the cookie crumbles”.
i stopped playing it. i mean i get it .. they were up front about the odds but seeing myself teleported to that same stupid path for candy over and over wasn't worth it. i'll just buy an AG with loyalty and call it a day.
People are getting so caught up in getting the "candy" they forgot what a side quest is.
1. The candy store contains all the rewards one would normally get in a monthly side quest
2. The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
3. The RNG awards are among the best in the game. If you're lucky enough to get one then awesome, if not it is what it is. We are a long way from getting six star AGs as normal side quest rewards
4. The alternative is going back to regular side quest, with multiple paths per week with zero chance of top tier rewards.
It's like everyone is so caught up on not getting the AG that they forgot what a normal month is 🤦♂️
1. The rewards for candy store is literally meaningless at this time. Its designed for same old cavalier. 2. Normally need to do? Doing more difficultly means more rewards. Locking in one difficulty just means locking out lf rewards. 3. Just check the feedbacks past rift rewards got. RNG is already in every crystal in the game. Bringing RNG to RNG is pointless. 4. It atleast guarantees same rewards for the effort everyone puts! Effort is meaningless if everything is a lottery.
Honestly can't believe there is anyone who can make worse argument than the ones you made.
While i agree rewards are outdated, that does not mean they are meaningless. 6 stars are still the top of the game and will be for some time and you still have a great chance of getting many from this months side quest.Your argument is invalid considering its better rewards as normal months PLUS the chance at the rares. But hey, that 6* apoc i pulled for the first time even though im paragon must be meaningless since im above cav level right?
I actually don't mind this month. It's the combination of a Daily Objective SQ, with a store (which we've seen before), and the added bonus of a chance at some greater Rewards. Had it been 35 days of most likely 5* Sigs or something of that nature, I'd be less impressed.
The side quest is one path a day/7 per week. You would normally need to do all four difficulties ~24 or so paths a week for the same rewards as the candy store.
You forgot to say that we have to complete the objectives as well. You forgot or didn't wanna mention it?
How long would you estimate it takes you to do your objective?
well I have to open the forums, find the thread, find the name, go and search the name, make sure I haven't done any spelling errors and then duel him. This is an annoying chore that we shouldn't have to do
Oh that's weird, because I just checked how long it took me to do and it was 1 and a half minutes. And I wasn't even rushing.
I can send you the screen recording if you’d like. Feel free to add me on Line, I’ll send it over. BitterSteel99
I went from completely empty Home Screen, then type in mcoc forum, then open the most recent thread, copy a name, open the game and let it load, search the copy and pasted name and duelled the 3*, then went to objectives.
I’m not sure what to say if you think less than 2 mins of your time is a chore, you could hold your breath longer than that..
Of all the things to complain about, I think 1:30mins is quite a small one.
1:30 every day for 30 days, equals to 45 mins. 45 mins that I would rather spend literally anywhere else. I really don't get why you are trying to defend something that shouldn't exist in the first place, especially since the introduction of practice mode
And a chore isn't necessarily something that takes too much time. It's something that you feel forced to do EVERY SINGLE DAY
Reading this thread I feel like a lot of the responses are hung up on the title. OP presents an argument for why we shouldn't be opposed to this quest, and instead of interacting with the argument it's all "you can't tell me what to do" lol. @jdeck59 I think you made some good points.
Why ask other to stop complaining? Some players like SQ some players don't, which is quite natural. So, would you ask players to stop appraising something? A forum is a place for players, no matter asking question, seeking help or expressing feeling. I don't understand why you can't tolerate and read other's thought.
Why ask other to stop complaining? Some players like SQ some players don't, which is quite natural. So, would you ask players to stop appraising something? A forum is a place for players, no matter asking question, seeking help or expressing feeling. I don't understand why you can't tolerate and read other's thought.
I think the title could have been better phrased. If it was something like "Here is why I believe this SQ is a good event" it would be better received even though the content would otherwise be the same. OP's point isn't that he can't tolerate other people's opinions and thoughts, but that people complaining about the event may not have considered what we are actually getting.
My one complaint about rifts is that two people will do the exact same amount of work over the month yet one person will probably pull nothing but candy while the other will pull a 6* gem and probably some fully formed t5cc. If they were in the store instead then people can choose that's fine, but having two people get vastly different rewards for the same amount of work isn't really cool.
I spent 1m loyalty to get 6* ag crystal My alliance mate who just got cavalier got lucky and got a 6* ag crystal Wish the legendary rift was only for tb/paragon Iam full on jealousy and I don't like being that
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The bolded is the entire reason not to like them. If you and I put in the same effort, yet you get 5 non-candy days and I get 0 non-candy days, then it’s an unfair event. I don’t need or want 2* sig stones or 3* shards, but I’ll be forced to buy them to use my candy while you have 2 6* AG, 2MM gold, and 2 T5B cats dropped into your lap.
That’s what people are pissed about. I’m on five straight days of candy, while others are posting they’ve hit the RNG jackpot three times already. To the point in your post, it’s not that we haven’t gotten our 6* AG YET, it’s that there is ZERO guarantee that I or others in my same position will see a single 6* AG. We’ve fallen behind others in terms of game economy due to no fault of our own and with no way to catch up based on our own actions, just hoping for the luck of the draw.
All that people are asking for is equal payout for equal effort. Rewards shouldn’t be a lottery that some people get and others don’t.
Getting shafted on great rewards gives a feeling of regret in doing it in the first place. Makes me feel like I wasted my time. There's going to be people that walk away with nothing other than candy this whole event and are going to be beyond upset over it, and I don't blame them. Putting in the same work as everyone else but receive substantially less? It's B.S.
I don't care if I walked away with 5 6* awakening gems. I'd still talk about how I hate the idea of the rewards people receive being based on RNG. Cause no matter what, there was the real chance i could have walked away with far far less. There will be people that walk away with far far less and it's not fair to them.
So I'll continue to collect my daily candy. Grab the things here and there in the terrible candy store that I can use or need. Continue to bash this side quest, and there's nothing anyone can say that will change my opinion on this.
I can send you the screen recording if you’d like. Feel free to add me on Line, I’ll send it over. BitterSteel99
I went from completely empty Home Screen, then type in mcoc forum, then open the most recent thread, copy a name, open the game and let it load, search the copy and pasted name and duelled the 3*, then went to objectives.
I’m not sure what to say if you think less than 2 mins of your time is a chore, you could hold your breath longer than that..
Of all the things to complain about, I think 1:30mins is quite a small one.
I’m not saying you have a moral duty not to do it if you don’t like it. I’m saying that 30-50 people on the forum complaining and 100 people “agree reacting” to posts that complain clearly is not changing Kabam’s mind when they have hundreds of thousands of players actually doing the event.
So it’s unfair that one player can come away with a 6* gem and others won’t, but it’s not unfair that one player can come away with a Hercules and one with drax?
It’s just odd how people draw the distinction here to suit their complaints. There is a hell of a lot of non-RNG things in the game, BGs store, Glory store, Loyalty store, awakening gems that you choose who to use them on - it’s Rng for which class, but once I have a science I can use on whoever I want, that aspect isn’t RNG (and generic ones aren’t either). But there is also a hell of a lot of RNG, almost the entire champion acquisition system, classes of items/cats etc etc.
There is also a whole heap of rewards that aren’t RNG in the candy store. Now, if your point was purely about the candy store I’d agree. It’s definitely time to have a TB and Paragon aspect to the store. That is the place that kabam are lagging behind on.
Not to mention, that if all of you guys got your way and rifts and RNG was done away with for side quests, the highest value rewards would go down. Instead of 6* gems, we’d see T5B and 6* shards as the top prizes. Why? Because when things are RNG you can control how many get them. You want 10k 6* shards to go out to the average player, make the top prize 50k with a 20% chance. You don’t want RNG? Ok, now it’s a guaranteed 10k.
You might think “yeah I’d prefer the guaranteed 10k” and yeah, personally I’d agree as I’m not that much of a gambler. But that’s not my point. Now imagine it with 6* gems, you can’t do X% of a 6* gem. So it’s either gonna be an RNG chance at it, or nothing. It’s replaced with something else less valuable.
My overarching point is this - a small minority complaining on the forum is not going to get rid of rifts, because they haven’t managed it the last 5 times, rifts work, I personally think they’re fun and I’m not alone. The forum twists perspective sometimes and makes it seem like 99% of the playerbase hate something, but it’s 99% of the 50 angriest players who hate it so much. Most will shrug and try their chance at a 6* gem, disappointed if they don’t but not furious. They understand that there is RNG in the game and it’s not just limited to crystals.
Also, you seem incredibly supportive of RNG, even to a fault I'd say. Shoot why should Kabam stop here? Make the rewards RNG for Act 8.2. Maybe you'll get r4 mats? Maybe you'll get a 1-2 gem instead. Or maybe you'll get 2 T5bc. Who knows? Let's just go ahead and add it everywhere huh? EQ, maybe you'll get 6* shards or maybe you'll get 5* ones instead.
No, you shouldn't just shut up, I think all feedback is really important which is why I try not to ever tell people to stop adding to conversations even if I disagree with them. My point is that rifts have been in the game for years and years and they keep coming back, if they were actually unpopular with the game at large enough to impact player retention and monthly usage stats then Kabam would change it, they haven't changed it and in fact consistently bring them back, so they are clearly successful. You don't need to twist my words and claim I'm tell you to not give feedback, it doesn't help the message you're trying to give to kabam. Maybe this is the year that the vocal minority persuade rifts not to come back, but something about the last 5 times being the exact same cycle of rift, a few complain and repeat makes me doubt it.
Also, that's a hell of a strawman you've got there, claiming that because I defend RNG in one place I would like it everywhere. It's a disingenuous way to argue and anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see that I haven't said what you're exaggerating my points to be.
If you'd like to address my points without strawmanning them into me saying you should shut up, or that I want the entire game to be RNG, then I'll be happy to respond, if not, I don't see much point continuing if you won't discuss it genuinely.
Yeah RNG is nearly everywhere else in this game. That is just the way the game is. Whether 6* crystals or catalysts, etc. And obviously those alone leave people with disappointment. Now the rewards themselves are going to be RNG based too? Just to continue feelings of disappointment when people can't get those rewards. That doesn't sit well with me, never has. The only thing that kept me from really getting fired up in the past was that we could aquire keys to at least target rewards we wanted a few times. Didn't like the design but the keys made it feel like it wasn't as big of a deal. Now having rewards waved in my face with little to no chances of aquiring it, whatsoever, really doesn't sit well with me.
Looking at people simply doing it, doesn't feel like a fair way to judge if people enjoy something or not. As I've said, there's been plenty of other things I have disliked in this game, but completed them nonetheless, cause I have a roster I'm continuously trying to expand. Just like everyone else.
And sorry, but the way things were worded, it gave me the impression that you think I shouldn't express my opinion, because Kabam is going to continue to do what they want anyways. I will always throw my opinion in. No matter if you, Kabam, or anyone else likes it or not. I'm not trying to strawman you with anything, I'm simply responding with the impression you have given me throughout your argument.
Rewards already have RNG factored into them. I don't want what rewards I get to be RNG based as well. Plain and simple.
Cav crystals as rewards for act 6 is mean and it is almost like a obtaining a 3 star to go through act 6, which is how I felt when I first completed it awhile ago. For rifts, I would rather have increasingly difficult paths for rewards and a better shot to get them, and not me having to hope I get something other than candy.
When they give us a way to select a path, I enjoy that and it’s cool, but I hate random paths and find it annoying. While the game is built off RNG, we can enjoy the game and not need to to be everywhere. I get the point of this side quest is to almost guarantee normal side quest rewards with a shot at getting something better, I’m just personally not a fan, even if my luck hasn’t been too bad so far.
I'm repeating myself here from other threads but 5 days in is really too early to be judging the rewards. The people who have pulled 3 or more top prizes may yet get only candy for the rest of the event. Not only that, but you are seriously undervaluing what's in the candy store when you're writing off the candy store as trash. That's just a negative dismissive response born solely out of the disappointment of not landing on one of the rarer paths... Which if you check the odds, shouldn't come as a surprise or disappointment at all.
I also don't like the reference to getting less than someone else despite putting in the same amount of effort. That's actually a core dynamic of this game when you think of every crystal you own. 2 people can have put in exactly the same effort into EoP but one gets Hercules from their nexus and the other gets Iron Patriot. It happens. Chances are that repeat the scenario and fortunes are reversed. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
Anyway, as a side note, I'd take rifts over last months SQ any day of the week. Much faster to complete and way less energy intensive. Would I rather run one path a day or several a day over multiple difficulties throughout the week? No brainer for me.
A more appropriate analogy is that two people do EoP, but one gets a 6* Nexus and the other gets a 3* crystal. The person who gets the Nexus may get three crappy choices but they still get to choose which crappy 6* they wind up with, while the other person gets stuck with whatever 3* the game hands them.
My last 6* was Iron Fist, and the one before that was Ms Marvel (Danvers, not Khan), while one of my alliance mates just pulled 6* Aegon and Knull the other day. Thing is, I’m OK with that, because I accept RNG coming from the crystals. It happens.
I will not, however, just accept RNG as part of a reward system as the way “the cookie crumbles”.
And a chore isn't necessarily something that takes too much time. It's something that you feel forced to do EVERY SINGLE DAY
So, would you ask players to stop appraising something?
A forum is a place for players, no matter asking question, seeking help or expressing feeling. I don't understand why you can't tolerate and read other's thought.
My alliance mate who just got cavalier got lucky and got a 6* ag crystal
Wish the legendary rift was only for tb/paragon
Iam full on jealousy and I don't like being that