New striker nodes in EQ

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Just NO. STOP.
Incursion nodes were one thing, but this is just once again pushing relics on our faces, as well as 1000+ new BS nodes that you will end up designing in the future that are strikers/relics related. Just a bothersome to overly complicate the game even more. Especially considering these will end up in story mode as well, and then AQ/AW at some point, and battlegrounds too.

Just STOP right here and back out.

CosmicGuardian

At this point, I feel like it’s only a matter of time until we see a node with “the defender has an indefinite x% protection passive, this goes on cooldown for x amount of seconds after using a striker” and other similar types of nodes.

Buttehrs

Just cause you don't like strikers doesn't mean others don't. They obviously don't plan on getting rid of them. Might as well get used to it.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Buttehrs said:

Just cause you don't like strikers doesn't mean others don't. They obviously don't plan on getting rid of them. Might as well get used to it.

Getting rid of them was an option at the time, its not anymore. The point here was to stop making up these nodes before its too late and we have thousands of them across every game mode

ItsDamien

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Buttehrs said:

Just cause you don't like strikers doesn't mean others don't. They obviously don't plan on getting rid of them. Might as well get used to it.

Getting rid of them was an option at the time, its not anymore. The point here was to stop making up these nodes before its too late and we have thousands of them across every game mode

Getting rid of them hasn’t been an option for a very long time now. That one SQ when we had them originally, that was the point of no return, they’d already invested in the tech to make it happen. Get used to it gramps.

GinjabredMonsta

I agree with him on this one. I thought the point was not to make these a top priority yet, but this is now making them more a priority for nodes and such. While it still isn’t game changing, it’s not something I like to see yet. Story mode maybe but not monthly.

GroundedWisdom

They're a part of the game. You can choose not to use them, but they're still going to be a part of the game.

Searmenis

Haven't touched EQ yet, but as I understand, some of the EQ nodes are not class oriented but striker ones? Because if they re both, 2 nodes one a striker one, that means you will have to, potentially, remove the striker from this month champion and add it to a different one next month, something that costs precious units?

Noob_Master69

GinjabredMonsta said:

I agree with him on this one. I thought the point was not to make these a top priority yet, but this is now making them more a priority for nodes and such. While it still isn’t game changing, it’s not something I like to see yet. Story mode maybe but not monthly.

I mean it's been 4,5 months since they released and this is now slowly starting to pop up, if they keep this rate going(assuming 8.2 won't have mandatory relics nodes) they'll probably become "top priority" in a few months, not that bad imo. Enough time for people to build up a roster and get used to them

(I just wish Relics offered more/were better)

Eb0ny-O-M4w

GroundedWisdom said:

They're a part of the game. You can choose not to use them, but they're still going to be a part of the game.

Incorrect. I can not choose to not play the node.
I can choose to play the quest or not, but that's a worthless argument to use

Searmenis

udyedagain said:

Hate those nodes, I just ignored it. Completely unnecessary

Are they an option, like say, "use FF champions or Tech"?

Bendy

Im with the OP we shouldnt see striker nodes yet until more are out and more wide range instead of probs having to change them each month

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Searmenis said:

udyedagain said:

Hate those nodes, I just ignored it. Completely unnecessary

Are they an option, like say, "use FF champions or Tech"?

Yes, there are those nodes there as well

Searmenis

Then, what's the problem? Most of us don't use the "extra" option anyway, it's not like relics are mandatory to make things work. And I really hate relics..well, strikers actually, I don't even open my crystals.

Demonzfyre

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Buttehrs said:

Just cause you don't like strikers doesn't mean others don't. They obviously don't plan on getting rid of them. Might as well get used to it.

Getting rid of them was an option at the time, its not anymore. The point here was to stop making up these nodes before its too late and we have thousands of them across every game mode

Or.......................................... Just don't worry about the nodes. The fights are not hard at all. We know you don't like relics. Most of us really don't know what you do like since you complain about EVERYTHING. Some of us are using Relics and using them. Some of us aren't. This isn't your personalized content.

You don't have to use, rank or equip relics.

You don't have to use the nodes.

You can do everything else in this game sans relics. No one is forcing anything on you.

Demonzfyre

Searmenis said:

Haven't touched EQ yet, but as I understand, some of the EQ nodes are not class oriented but striker ones? Because if they re both, 2 nodes one a striker one, that means you will have to, potentially, remove the striker from this month champion and add it to a different one next month, something that costs precious units?

This is from the SQ and not the MEQ.

GinjabredMonsta

Demonzfyre said:

Searmenis said:

Haven't touched EQ yet, but as I understand, some of the EQ nodes are not class oriented but striker ones? Because if they re both, 2 nodes one a striker one, that means you will have to, potentially, remove the striker from this month champion and add it to a different one next month, something that costs precious units?

This is from the SQ and not the MEQ.

Ooooooh

Sidd777

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

Eb0ny-O-M4w

GinjabredMonsta said:

Demonzfyre said:

Searmenis said:

Haven't touched EQ yet, but as I understand, some of the EQ nodes are not class oriented but striker ones? Because if they re both, 2 nodes one a striker one, that means you will have to, potentially, remove the striker from this month champion and add it to a different one next month, something that costs precious units?

This is from the SQ and not the MEQ.

Ooooooh

This is from the MEQ and not the SQ (can't see his comment so had to reply in this one)

GinjabredMonsta

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Demonzfyre said:

Searmenis said:

Haven't touched EQ yet, but as I understand, some of the EQ nodes are not class oriented but striker ones? Because if they re both, 2 nodes one a striker one, that means you will have to, potentially, remove the striker from this month champion and add it to a different one next month, something that costs precious units?

This is from the SQ and not the MEQ.

Ooooooh

This is from the MEQ and not the SQ (can't see his comment so had to reply in this one)

If it’s in the monthly then I agree with you. If it’s in the side quest then it doesn’t bother me too much. I ignored those incursion hacks and will continue to ignore those

Demonzfyre

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

No. It won't cost you a thing. No switching needed. I did threat level 5 or whatever the highest is and didn't even need to use the strikers. I did for fun but really does nothing to make the fight faster. Just play normally and you'll be just fine.

Kabam Jax

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

Happy to report that we just removed any cost associated with any binding/unbinding of relics!

Additionally, and we've talked about this before: Relics are feature that are available to those who want to use them and are ignorable for those who don't. These nodes don't force anyone to use them and doesn't punish you for not. Instead it incentivizes you to, and rewards those who elect, use relics. You don't have to play to this node, and it seems completely feasible that you can complete each fight without using relics.

Noob_Master69

Kabam Jax said:

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

Happy to report that we just removed any cost associated with any binding/unbinding of relics!

Additionally, and we've talked about this before: Relics are feature that are available to those who want to use them and are ignorable for those who don't. These nodes don't force anyone to use them and doesn't punish you for not. Instead it incentivizes you to, and rewards those who elect, use relics. You don't have to play to this node, and it seems completely feasible that you can complete each fight without using relics.

Aside from the limited functionality this was one of my biggest annoyances with Relics, nice!

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Kabam Jax said:

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

These nodes don't force anyone to use them and doesn't punish you for not. Instead it incentivizes you to, and rewards those who elect, use relics. You don't have to play to this node, and it seems completely feasible that you can complete each fight without using relics.

Sure, these 2 nodes can be ignored. That's not the issue.
The issue is that the creation of nodes that ask for a relic/striker has now started, and opens the gates to possibly hundreds or even thousands of nodes of this kind.

Surely, surely not every single one of them can just be ignored. If you allow this to move forward it will be happening at some point. Not to mention, overly complicate the game even more with these additions is unnecessary, and I'm already waiting for a 5 parapraphs relic-related node to appear on story mode.

Stature

GroundedWisdom said:

They're a part of the game. You can choose not to use them, but they're still going to be a part of the game.

It's one thing to make them part of the game and other to create roadblocks which specifically require one to use them. The boosts like the ones used in incursions were fine, where using a relic gave an additional boost. But in this case, you are playing without special attacks if you don't use relics. If you need specific counters you will have to unbind and bind relics multiple times. Given the state of the game, creating additional friction to gameplay could have been avoided.

GroundedWisdom

That's an exaggeration. If you're swearing off them, that's your prerogative. They're still in the game. They're going to be used in content. There's no getting around it.

Skunkcabbage

Kabam Jax said:

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

Happy to report that we just removed any cost associated with any binding/unbinding of relics!

Additionally, and we've talked about this before: Relics are feature that are available to those who want to use them and are ignorable for those who don't. These nodes don't force anyone to use them and doesn't punish you for not. Instead it incentivizes you to, and rewards those who elect, use relics. You don't have to play to this node, and it seems completely feasible that you can complete each fight without using relics.

Just found this thread after making a post about a bug in TB EQ where I am gaining NO power.

If I don't want to use/don't have Relics do I have to use AA, Cable with Apoc etc so that I can get the fight down with big DOT instead of using a normal champ?

This is a problem with certain maps where mutant champs won't work. I could use Mysterio with Peni, but this is really making me not want to play as it's so restrictive and long (plus I'm using revives which I've never had to use before - and 3.2.6 is gone, so I can't even use that to support me through the "no power" game mode).

Any insight into how I can get through this faster without Relics? I feel like it's forcing me to use them at this point as I'm struggling so much without having them.

Noob_Master69

Skunkcabbage said:

Kabam Jax said:

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

Happy to report that we just removed any cost associated with any binding/unbinding of relics!

Additionally, and we've talked about this before: Relics are feature that are available to those who want to use them and are ignorable for those who don't. These nodes don't force anyone to use them and doesn't punish you for not. Instead it incentivizes you to, and rewards those who elect, use relics. You don't have to play to this node, and it seems completely feasible that you can complete each fight without using relics.

Just found this thread after making a post about a bug in TB EQ where I am gaining NO power.

If I don't want to use/don't have Relics do I have to use AA, Cable with Apoc etc so that I can get the fight down with big DOT instead of using a normal champ?

This is a problem with certain maps where mutant champs won't work. I could use Mysterio with Peni, but this is really making me not want to play as it's so restrictive and long (plus I'm using revives which I've never had to use before - and 3.2.6 is gone, so I can't even use that to support me through the "no power" game mode).

Any insight into how I can get through this faster without Relics? I feel like it's forcing me to use them at this point as I'm struggling so much without having them.

Herc would work

Axew

I can’t wait for a fun and interactive quest in the future that punishes you for not having relics or makes a path impossible without relics

Skunkcabbage

Noob_Master69 said:

Skunkcabbage said:

Kabam Jax said:

Sidd777 said:

It just seems like something that could become a hassle with changing relics every week or month for the specific SQ and could cost units depending the number of switches you’d need but ignoring the nodes is always an option since SQ fights aren’t usually too bad

Happy to report that we just removed any cost associated with any binding/unbinding of relics!

Additionally, and we've talked about this before: Relics are feature that are available to those who want to use them and are ignorable for those who don't. These nodes don't force anyone to use them and doesn't punish you for not. Instead it incentivizes you to, and rewards those who elect, use relics. You don't have to play to this node, and it seems completely feasible that you can complete each fight without using relics.

Just found this thread after making a post about a bug in TB EQ where I am gaining NO power.

If I don't want to use/don't have Relics do I have to use AA, Cable with Apoc etc so that I can get the fight down with big DOT instead of using a normal champ?

This is a problem with certain maps where mutant champs won't work. I could use Mysterio with Peni, but this is really making me not want to play as it's so restrictive and long (plus I'm using revives which I've never had to use before - and 3.2.6 is gone, so I can't even use that to support me through the "no power" game mode).

Any insight into how I can get through this faster without Relics? I feel like it's forcing me to use them at this point as I'm struggling so much without having them.

Herc would work

He can't use specials though, no sp2 stun at all all then his immortality wears off and he's dead, it sucks without specials. Plus I can't counter falter anymore because I can't access the sp1.

Demonzfyre

Axew said:

I can’t wait for a fun and interactive quest in the future that punishes you for not having relics or makes a path impossible without relics

How would it be any different than other nodes that are in the game? Like... Do you bleed? Buffet?