Are you happy with how the OG Spiderman buff turned out?

Rookiie

Granted, he *could* slap, but he’s synergy-reliant. And his utility doesn’t really do anything.

This is a champ in a 7-star pool, endgame, so I’m not sure what this kit is designed to do.

Please vote and leave your thoughts.

DrZola

No

Depressing. Sure, there are other Spideys in game who slap, but making the iconic original champ at best a niche counter is disappointing.

With so many resources available and existing champ mechanics that weren’t around when OG Spidey was introduced back at the inception, you’d have thought the team would give him his due and make him a viable (and fun) champ for most Summoners.

Dr. Zola

BitterSteel

Yes

I’m not sure that his utility does nothing, he is an extremely reliant taunt champion (the best in the game imo) and has great evade/unstoppable countering, he also ignores the mastery limber and the node limber, which is unique utility and very nice when it comes up.

Is he the best science? No, but in the future when our 7*s become higher sig he’s going to really come into his own. He’s not great unduped, he’s a ton better duped, and even better high sig.

He’s also got seriously good damage for BGs level health pools

https://youtu.be/n2O7roLo5l0

Just adding that yes, this is backblast, but without the extra crit damage, the combo after the stun on the sp2 would have KOd, the damage during that stun is huge.


Here he is countering two of the more difficult EoP fights

https://youtu.be/_TengCFOwQQ

https://youtu.be/tdZkPqBBWDk


All I’m saying is give him a chance if you dupe him

CHuck_fINA

Yes

I think it is a good buff. I've been enjoying using him and learning where he fits in different fights.
I mentioned in another Spidey thread that I think it would really make a great addition to have him be able to thwip a webbing on evade. His utility would ramp faster and be easier to maintain against champs with a lot of movement in their specials. Have him talk some trash with callouts when he does it. This would give him a true Spidey feel.
Overall I'm really enjoying it though. Good times.

Chobbly

No

For me, it's not a bad buff but it's a little more stressful to play than it could be, especially at low Sig levels (or indeed, no Sig levels). I voted no but to be honest if there was a 'yes, but...' I'd have gone with that.

If the Taunts dropped off slower or maybe even one at a time, that would have been awesome. It would have been a lot more chilled to play.

Pikolu

Yes

He is very good, but also pretty reliant on his sig for his web debuffs to be more useful.

Rookiie

No

His ramp up sucks though. Apply enough webbing which is AI dependent, so you need about 5 SP1s to be safe and start building up to SP2s, which rarely crit. So the whole rotation is anticlimactic, and the debuffs … come on Kabam - you can do better than that.

Karatemike415

Rookiie said:

you need about 5 SP1s to be safe and start building up to SP2s,

You typically need to use 2 - 3 at most.

He's 100% underrated currently - but in all honesty, he really does need to be duped.
So for the time being you won't see much play from the unduped 7-star.

Chobbly

No

Maybe view it more as an investment for the future rather than something that's going to make a significant difference to your account. But then again it's going to be a long while before your 7* is high enough Sig for it to be noticeable.

I wonder if there'll be a Relic or synergy in the future which helps - increases the duration of non-damaging Debuffs on the opponent or something.

Rookiie

No

Karatemike415 said:

Rookiie said:

you need about 5 SP1s to be safe and start building up to SP2s,

You typically need to use 2 - 3 at most.

He's 100% underrated currently - but in all honesty, he really does need to be duped.
So for the time being you won't see much play from the unduped 7-star.

Hmm thanks for the lowdown Mike. I hope Kabam analyzes the data because he’s neither here nor there.

And this is Spiderman after all.

Rookiie

No

Chobbly said:

Maybe view it more as an investment for the future rather than something that's going to make a significant difference to your account. But then again it's going to be a long while before your 7* is high enough Sig for it to be noticeable.

I wonder if there'll be a Relic or synergy in the future which helps - increases the duration of non-damaging Debuffs on the opponent or something.

So tired of this though. It feels like DDHK all over again doesn’t it?

Skunkcabbage

No

I don't think many people know how to use him, how he works etc enough to have a fullly informed viewpoint on Spidey

psp742

No

It's ok but compared to other buff.. Gamora had 3 buff before they got her right.. Spiderman OG is ok but could have been better.. the evasion should have been higher than what it is, name it 'spider sense tingling' and most dangerous attacks or projectile can be evaded.. and more times used.. % decrease almost same as Hood invisibility.

noclutch

No

He is reliable attacker to fight against evade and unstoppable, however his build up is too long and takes high block dmg.

Kerneas

No

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

ThePredator1001

Yes

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

Bulmkt

No

It took Kabam three goes before they sort of got Gamora right so there is hope Kabam can have another look at Spider-Man OG…

noclutch

No

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

Before the update he had easy to access armor breaks. Only one thing but players could rely on.

Now despite great reliability to counter evade and unstoppable it takes to much before he can access it
A Clear cut flop

Rookiie

No

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

What, are you talking about 200k healthpools? We’re in a 500k meta, man.

To get most out of Spidey you need 6+ webbing, which is 3 SP1s, and the opponents move a lot so you need 4-5 in the bank to reliably keep it at 6 and control the fight.

Then, you get to your SP2s, and there are no guaranteed crits, and your taunts fall off really quickly and are RNG-dependent.

Plus, he needs synergies to be optimized.

The only thing that’s contributing to the controversy are people happy about this buff, but hey. Do you.

Edit: he is also heavily reliant on his dupe to stack his debuffs and high sig to prolong his taunts, so that doesn’t help either.

BitterSteel

Yes

Rookiie said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

What, are you talking about 200k healthpools? We’re in a 500k meta, man.

May I introduce you to battlegrounds and war

Dab_west

No

Mid damage, mid utility, no immunities. Like why would I use og spidey when I can use scorp, torch, spot, pig, Cassie, mr f, qs, og hulk.

Also show me who is using og spidey in masters war

Kerneas

No

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

For damage burst - no, the buildup is fine
To gain control over fight - yes, it's too long

UnOriginal

BitterSteel said:

Rookiie said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

What, are you talking about 200k healthpools? We’re in a 500k meta, man.

May I introduce you to battlegrounds and war

Willpower
(I dont know about the Buff but i guess i you change your masteries to that one mastery that benefites void)

BitterSteel

Yes

One thing I think people aren’t appreciating about Spidey is that decelerate works as a flat reduction.

So Spidey has a -50% decelerate, any champion that has a less than 50% chance to evade an attack will just not evade.

Take two of the most annoying evaders in the game, spider Gwen and nightcrawler

Gwen has a 35% chance to evade at max charges, turned off from 1 sp1.

Nightcrawler has a 25.3% chance to evade physical attacks, increased to around 33% after an sp1. Turned off by 1 sp1

Decelerate is also especially powerful, because compared to slow, it *does* work when you have class disadvantage. So black widow and her annoying evade can be countered, where a different science champ with slow wouldn’t work

Another thing is that Spidey not being affected by limber can make him a realistic evade counter from the start of the fight. It’s very simple to parry, 3 lights up to your first sp1.

I’ll make the point now that it won’t work against stun immune obviously, but since Spidey is à champion pretty much designed around stunning the opponent, I wouldn’t often recommend bringing him for stun immune fights anyway.

BitterSteel

Yes

UnOriginal said:

BitterSteel said:

Rookiie said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

What, are you talking about 200k healthpools? We’re in a 500k meta, man.

May I introduce you to battlegrounds and war

Willpower
(I dont know about the Buff but i guess i you change your masteries to that one mastery that benefites void)

Use despair, lots of science champions have lots of debuffs, you could make that argument against Titania, Cassie, Quicksilver, overseer, hulk etc

DrZola

No

These are nice insights @BitterSteel

Makes me less depressed about my 7* OGSM.

Dr. Zola

HungaryHippo

No

I wish you didn’t proc his sp1 all the time. Ability to choose would have made him much better. There are lots of situations where you don’t want a taunt.

Vance2_jr

Yes

Yes….but that vote is mostly driven by circumstance. I pulled him twice as a 7*, making him my only duped 7*. I feel like I HAVE to use him for that reason alone. I never really bothered with 5* or 6* Spidey, so in that sense, it was a great pull (truthfully most of my 7*s are champs that I have not given much time to, so it’s good for me to expand a little). But dang…..that Parker boy slaps and 6 or more webs shuts so much stuff down. I don’t hate him at all.

TheWatcher_

Yes

I do like his buff but I hate his play style. 2 sp1 and a sp2 is kinda just slow and his combat power rate is pretty bad. Not to great in BGs because his sp1 applies a lot of debuffs and on his basics as well. If the opponent has willpower healing you probably won't be doing as much and even if you do get off a sp2, there just going to heal some of it. So yes I do like his damage, but not his play style so I'm half yes and no

Pikolu

Yes

UnOriginal said:

BitterSteel said:

Rookiie said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

What, are you talking about 200k healthpools? We’re in a 500k meta, man.

May I introduce you to battlegrounds and war

Willpower
(I dont know about the Buff but i guess i you change your masteries to that one mastery that benefites void)

Willpower on defense for BGs is nerfed down to the OG health pool of the champion. This is very easy to see when they run ouchie masteries and are taking like 600 damage per tick from poison while only healing 130. So mix that with despair and they really won't be healing much at all from willpower.

UnOriginal

BitterSteel said:

UnOriginal said:

BitterSteel said:

Rookiie said:

ThePredator1001 said:

Kerneas said:

It's a champ who can slap and counter things, but the buildup is long and impractical.

Two sp1 and then one sp2 is a long build up?

The Spider-Man buff is extremely controversial for some reason. I get he’s a huge character and maybe the could have added some more utility but it’s hard to say his buff was a a flop. He went from useless to a champ with some solid utility, good damage, and great control over the fight, thanks to his taunts.

I personally like his buff and new playstyle, the only thing keeping me from investing in him is the fact he’s in the 7 star pool.

What, are you talking about 200k healthpools? We’re in a 500k meta, man.

May I introduce you to battlegrounds and war

Willpower
(I dont know about the Buff but i guess i you change your masteries to that one mastery that benefites void)

Use despair, lots of science champions have lots of debuffs, you could make that argument against Titania, Cassie, Quicksilver, overseer, hulk etc

Yes that i forgot its name