The gap between f2p and spending is not something new. We all agree, or at least most of us, that the game must reward the player who supports it with money, and make it continue running etc. But. The problem this time, is that there s a new unreachable gap between level of spending. Before this set of ridiculous offers, people who spend, a nice amount, about 1/3 or half of the old set of offers, were rewarded, could keep up with whales, and be competitive. That's over now. Even if you spend money it s for nothing if not purchasing everything.
Is this still a game?
I think that's something which hasn't been mentioned much. While the gap between f2p and whale is arguably bigger than it has ever been with these sales (and yes I know there a version of this conversation every year) the stretch also applies to casual spenders who could maybe afford a single Tony Stark's briefcase, compared to someone who can buy all the Odins and have a party on the Summoner's Market too.
I think one of the biggest issues is actually Battleground, and the Battlegrounds Store. If skill is roughly equivalent, then the better roster will win. The Battlegrounds store is the best value in the game, and because of this being largely enabled by a competitive game mode those who can't compete have to make do with leftovers.
For the game to survive, there needs to be a reason for whales to spend the cash. F2P players are basically getting something for free, and licensing established properties certainly isn't cheap. They will be unlikely to compete at the top table, but will at least were able to compete at the lower tables so to speak.
But... this year the Unit Store offers are immense. For those who can buy multiple Odins, they are getting a great, great deal. When you add that to the confusing way that the Tiered Resource bundles work, then I can see why f2p and casuals are a bit grumpy, off the back of other changes this year like the farming nerds.
While the gap between big spenders and f2p/casuals needs to exist, it feels like these offers have stretched that gap a little too much.
The gap between f2p and spending is not something new. We all agree, or at least most of us, that the game must reward the player who supports it with money, and make it continue running etc. But. The problem this time, is that there s a new unreachable gap between level of spending. Before this set of ridiculous offers, people who spend, a nice amount, about 1/3 or half of the old set of offers, were rewarded, could keep up with whales, and be competitive. That's over now. Even if you spend money it s for nothing if not purchasing everything.
Is this still a game?
I think that's something which hasn't been mentioned much. While the gap between f2p and whale is arguably bigger than it has ever been with these sales (and yes I know there a version of this conversation every year) the stretch also applies to casual spenders who could maybe afford a single Tony Stark's briefcase, compared to someone who can buy all the Odins and have a party on the Summoner's Market too.
I think one of the biggest issues is actually Battleground, and the Battlegrounds Store. If skill is roughly equivalent, then the better roster will win. The Battlegrounds store is the best value in the game, and because of this being largely enabled by a competitive game mode those who can't compete have to make do with leftovers.
For the game to survive, there needs to be a reason for whales to spend the cash. F2P players are basically getting something for free, and licensing established properties certainly isn't cheap. They will be unlikely to compete at the top table, but will at least were able to compete at the lower tables so to speak.
But... this year the Unit Store offers are immense. For those who can buy multiple Odins, they are getting a great, great deal. When you add that to the confusing way that the Tiered Resource bundles work, then I can see why f2p and casuals are a bit grumpy, off the back of other changes this year like the farming nerds.
While the gap between big spenders and f2p/casuals needs to exist, it feels like these offers have stretched that gap a little too much.
As I said, if the offers are good, you can purchase as well, right? There is no restriction though.
It is pretty strange. Rather than seeing someone complaining that the deals are not good enough. We just see people who has no intention to spend anything complaining that the deals are too good.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
Now the complain is the deal is too good for the people who buy but you don't even think about buying.... but complaining to lower the value to the people who pay.
So selfish....
You have my bank account statements in hand? Upload a picture, I don't mind.
If the goal is to play for free, then just have fun and stop complaining to lower the value of the stuffs that others are willing to pay. You have choice.
If you have issue with your bank statement, it is better to stop playing and work seriously to make more money for yourself and your family.
Do you even speak english? Τα ελληνικά μήπως σε βολεύουν περισσότερο;
The gap between f2p and spending is not something new. We all agree, or at least most of us, that the game must reward the player who supports it with money, and make it continue running etc. But. The problem this time, is that there s a new unreachable gap between level of spending. Before this set of ridiculous offers, people who spend, a nice amount, about 1/3 or half of the old set of offers, were rewarded, could keep up with whales, and be competitive. That's over now. Even if you spend money it s for nothing if not purchasing everything.
Is this still a game?
I think that's something which hasn't been mentioned much. While the gap between f2p and whale is arguably bigger than it has ever been with these sales (and yes I know there a version of this conversation every year) the stretch also applies to casual spenders who could maybe afford a single Tony Stark's briefcase, compared to someone who can buy all the Odins and have a party on the Summoner's Market too.
I think one of the biggest issues is actually Battleground, and the Battlegrounds Store. If skill is roughly equivalent, then the better roster will win. The Battlegrounds store is the best value in the game, and because of this being largely enabled by a competitive game mode those who can't compete have to make do with leftovers.
For the game to survive, there needs to be a reason for whales to spend the cash. F2P players are basically getting something for free, and licensing established properties certainly isn't cheap. They will be unlikely to compete at the top table, but will at least were able to compete at the lower tables so to speak.
But... this year the Unit Store offers are immense. For those who can buy multiple Odins, they are getting a great, great deal. When you add that to the confusing way that the Tiered Resource bundles work, then I can see why f2p and casuals are a bit grumpy, off the back of other changes this year like the farming nerds.
While the gap between big spenders and f2p/casuals needs to exist, it feels like these offers have stretched that gap a little too much.
Exactly. If all the other stores and modes in the game were treated the same as Battlegrounds, we wouldn't have an issue now.
Relax people new content is coming. 8.3 is coming soon and it will surely have more rewards for exploration, than 4th July cash offers 😉 At least the Peter Parker's wallet ones 😂
8.3 won't keep up even with the unit offers, let alone the unit store deals
The issue here is FTP are complaining about whales have too good deals. Although they could buy, they won't.
The point is they want more free stuffs that the whales get, but they don't want to spend money.
Pure absurdity.
Your point is flawed, and not just on the assumption that players that are FTP are simply choosing not to buy. Some can't, or can't afford to right now.
I have not seen one post saying that F2P should get the same benefits as those who pay. There should be an advantage to those who support the game financially. Otherwise, it won't exist.
The fundamental difference is that comparatively the offers this year are substantially better than any other year - and especially for the Odins. This widens the gap considerably - more than it ever has. And free to play and low spenders alike are troubled by that.
Sometimes we could all do with seeing things from the other person's side.
Simple solution for help rebalance the game economy.
Kabam give us a few R4 and R5 resources as Gold deals (buy using gold) over the summer, as a kind of Summer Summoner Appreciation events 🤣
No, Just delete the battleground mode all problems solved 😂 Then whales can buy those deals to complete other game contents & decorate their roster 😂!!
The issue here is FTP are complaining about whales have too good deals. Although they could buy, they won't.
The point is they want more free stuffs that the whales get, but they don't want to spend money.
Pure absurdity.
I will give you an example so you can grasp the situation: I completed carina v3 very fast granting me 1 r5. Then by 8.2 and monthly eq and stuff I had a 2nd a couple of months ago. At that time I was feeling ahead of the f2p curve, full well aware of the fact that wales who spent had anywhere from 5 to 10 r5 champs. Heck I was 1,5 t6cc away in 2 classes so it wasn't bad. It didn't matter that much because other high end paragons were close to their first r5, had one, or were at my level. Those with more r5 spent a lot, those were the big big whales.
Now fast forward literally 2 months and those big big whales have 20-25 r5 champs. Several r2 7 stars. While those who didn't spend (or only spent a bit, I had 5k units) got zero. Squat. I'm not arguing we should get the same as the whales. I'm arguing that they got a superboost progression wise, which is more than 10 times the current top f2p players. The deals always make everything look bad but this time they DESTROYED the battlegrounds store value, which is currently the best store in the game.
If you don't get the above then I don't know how else to explain it to you. Maybe check out this video to get an idea of the situation; kt1 explains it rather well: https://youtu.be/Izw9kghFPps
On a side note: im very curious what event kabam has in store that's very f2p friendly (as mentioned in their livestream). I fear everyting will fail in comparison with the fun in the sunspot event.
The issue here is FTP are complaining about whales have too good deals. Although they could buy, they won't.
The point is they want more free stuffs that the whales get, but they don't want to spend money.
Pure absurdity.
I will give you an example so you can grasp the situation: I completed carina v3 very fast granting me 1 r5. Then by 8.2 and monthly eq and stuff I had a 2nd a couple of months ago. At that time I was feeling ahead of the f2p curve, full well aware of the fact that wales who spent had anywhere from 5 to 10 r5 champs. Heck I was 1,5 t6cc away in 2 classes so it wasn't bad. It didn't matter that much because other high end paragons were close to their first r5, had one, or were at my level. Those with more r5 spent a lot, those were the big big whales.
Now fast forward literally 2 months and those big big whales have 20-25 r5 champs. Several r2 7 stars. While those who didn't spend (or only spent a bit, I had 5k units) got zero. Squat. I'm not arguing we should get the same as the whales. I'm arguing that they got a superboost progression wise, which is more than 10 times the current top f2p players. The deals always make everything look bad but this time they DESTROYED the battlegrounds store value, which is currently the best store in the game.
If you don't get the above then I don't know how else to explain it to you. Maybe check out this video to get an idea of the situation; kt1 explains it rather well: https://youtu.be/Izw9kghFPps
On a side note: im very curious what event kabam has in store that's very f2p friendly (as mentioned in their livestream). I fear everyting will fail in comparison with the fun in the sunspot event.
Notice how the BGs store update and the whales market were only a few weeks ago. Now note how impactful July 4th is to BGs. One could postulate and argue that Kabam is making the deals better than they should be so that more players will make purchases from their new market (without Kabam needing to pay a cut to the Play Store/App Store) to get a bigger BGs roster that will let them get more of those sweet sweet BG store resources.
The issue here is FTP are complaining about whales have too good deals. Although they could buy, they won't.
The point is they want more free stuffs that the whales get, but they don't want to spend money.
Pure absurdity.
Your point is flawed, and not just on the assumption that players that are FTP are simply choosing not to buy. Some can't, or can't afford to right now.
I have not seen one post saying that F2P should get the same benefits as those who pay. There should be an advantage to those who support the game financially. Otherwise, it won't exist.
The fundamental difference is that comparatively the offers this year are substantially better than any other year - and especially for the Odins. This widens the gap considerably - more than it ever has. And free to play and low spenders alike are troubled by that.
Sometimes we could all do with seeing things from the other person's side.
There is nothing to be troubled at, people should know by now how it works. Spenders should have bigger advantage thats it. A lot of players a just grumpy and wants to complain at every deal that gets released nothing else. I can buy the odins deals IF I want but I decide not to for those money I can get better stuff IRL. If you ask me cash deal should be juicer, investing your hard earned money in to a game should give much more. Same goes for Sigil store, those who buy it should get much much more then what they get today outside of Sigil witch nothing can justify your money for some cheaper crystals and a bit faster arena. People need to stop complaining about every deal that gets out every big event, they have a choice, spend or don't. Don't come to forums a complain every time.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
There are many games (mobile one) who are doing exceedingly better than MCOC in term of both player bases and revenue and that also by keeping almost similar levels for both f2p and spenders, which actually boost up the fun part and competitive part of the game at same time.
Of course there are games doing better, there are also games doing worse. As much as you might not like people having more than you, I maintain this game is very f2p friendly with the amount of free currency in the game and lack of gating content to spending.
Don't get me wrong, I frequently question kabams practices, particularly in the communication department and some of their offers are downright stupid but being generally upset that spenders get a short term boost from these sales is just petty. The resources come around to everyone for free eventually and you can with enough skill still compete at a decent level.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
There are many games (mobile one) who are doing exceedingly better than MCOC in term of both player bases and revenue and that also by keeping almost similar levels for both f2p and spenders, which actually boost up the fun part and competitive part of the game at same time.
The whole crux of this debate is a misconception. There is no game economy that ensures people will go head-to-head with people who spend large amounts of money. There is nothing to balance there. There never was. This idea that Offers are somehow going to throw the game out of whack is not accurate. The Offers themselves, although seemingly large, are also limited. This is to ensure game balance. That doesn't include balancing what people will get for free specifically. That's an absurdity. No one is going to spend large amounts of money for getting the same as people get for free. Spending accelerates time. That's always been the case. You have occasional rarity Offers, but the majority of spending just saves time. Sometimes more time than other times. That's about it. I have no idea where this misunderstanding developed, but there is no tit-for-tat balancing act between F2P and P2P. There's no competition. It's impossible. What people keep overlooking is that game balance has nothing to do with making sure spenders don't get ahead.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
Combat sports is not a team sport 🙄. Every major sport in the US has salary caps. The Olympics is another terrible example. Now I spend and spent on the event but it was definitely a bit much. I've played since this game was 7 months old and this is by far the biggest shift I have ever seen after a sale. We won't really know how this will effect the overall balance of the contest for a month or so. The only effects are in bgs right now. I'm gonna wait and see but I really don't feel this was a good direction for the game.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
Combat sports is not a team sport 🙄. Every major sport in the US has salary caps. The Olympics is another terrible example. Now I spend and spent on the event but it was definitely a bit much. I've played since this game was 7 months old and this is by far the biggest shift I have ever seen after a sale. We won't really know how this will effect the overall balance of the contest for a month or so. The only effects are in bgs right now. I'm gonna wait and see but I really don't feel this was a good direction for the game.
Team sports? Are BGs a team sport? And the US is currently an aberration on that matter.
The whole crux of this debate is a misconception. There is no game economy that ensures people will go head-to-head with people who spend large amounts of money. There is nothing to balance there. There never was. This idea that Offers are somehow going to throw the game out of whack is not accurate. The
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
Combat sports is not a team sport 🙄. Every major sport in the US has salary caps. The Olympics is another terrible example. Now I spend and spent on the event but it was definitely a bit much. I've played since this game was 7 months old and this is by far the biggest shift I have ever seen after a sale. We won't really know how this will effect the overall balance of the contest for a month or so. The only effects are in bgs right now. I'm gonna wait and see but I really don't feel this was a good direction for the game.
Team sports? Are BGs a team sport? And the US is currently an aberration on that matter.
You have a team of champions and an alliance. The US has some of the most popular sports but ok. I don't know why you are even comparing a moble game to sports anyways. This was about game economy and its changed period. Imo I think it's gonna to be bad but it's more of a wait and see.
The whole crux of this debate is a misconception. There is no game economy that ensures people will go head-to-head with people who spend large amounts of money. There is nothing to balance there. There never was. This idea that Offers are somehow going to throw the game out of whack is not accurate. The
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
@_Pez_ This is real irony, you are saying a game mode is competitive and then you say people spend more to remain competitive. Do you mean this is a competition of credit card 😂.
Either a mode is pay to win or competitive. It can't be both.
Damn you ought to tell most sports competitions in the world this that don't have a salary/spending cap..... Wonder how Leicester won the premier League a few seasons ago.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Let's assume there was no F2P players from the beginning, which is like 97~98% of people. Do you really believe this game would have become this big and do you think people(spenders) would have spent money that they are spending? So, basically what kabam is doing used F2P to create their big player base by creating a game which was balanced for both spenders and f2p. Now, once they have big player base they basically thinks they can ignore the f2p section and go on with it. There is either two thing might be happening: 1. New management is very short sighted. 2. There might be a possibility they already know game is not gonna be alive for long now so they are basically taking whatever they can. Note: based on their current content this year they have released only 8.2, also when I was playing beta for 8.3 there was no thought on the nodes all similar and also cut to half. Also, with numbers of bugs in new season in BG each month along with bugs in almost all new released champs, there might not be enough employees remaining to sustain the game.
It doesn’t really address their point. And that point is that very very few sports in the world have spending caps. Football doesn’t (aside from American NFL), God only knows how much china spends on the Olympics, combat sports don’t. But what there isn’t is a free to play version of any of those things. If you want to compete in a sport that has any kind of real prize, you’re going to spend some money.
Combat sports is not a team sport 🙄. Every major sport in the US has salary caps. The Olympics is another terrible example. Now I spend and spent on the event but it was definitely a bit much. I've played since this game was 7 months old and this is by far the biggest shift I have ever seen after a sale. We won't really know how this will effect the overall balance of the contest for a month or so. The only effects are in bgs right now. I'm gonna wait and see but I really don't feel this was a good direction for the game.
Team sports? Are BGs a team sport? And the US is currently an aberration on that matter.
You have a team of champions and an alliance. The US has some of the most popular sports but ok. I don't know why you are even comparing a moble game to sports anyways. This was about game economy and its changed period. Imo I think it's gonna to be bad but it's more of a wait and see.
It wasn’t my point. It was someone else’s, and in reference to someone’s assertion that there was a competitive issue because of spending. And the point was that a great deal of things considered competitive allow, or even encourage, spending. And since this is a weird discussion about an artificial economy, inside of a mobile game, trying to contextualize it with an analogous phenomenon in the real world is natural, but imperfect.
Logged in today , got an amazing rewards of 2% T5CC crystal and 400 cav shards , from monthly paragon calendar . Then i went to check the deals ... WT#. This game is broken in every way.
With a lot of explanation about BG by many, saying that the game will be more divided between FTP and whales. The point is that game mode is competitive. That's why people spend their money to grow their roster to be more competitive there. FTP also love to play there because of rewards. So, what is the point to make life the same between people who are willing to spend some money and the people who don't?
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
Whiny freeloaders will whine. Also if you’re not in GC, you probably should refrain from whining and go get better at the game.
And yeah I bought all the 4-5 gems and haven’t even opened them. Still made it to GC in week one as usual with my single Carina r5 Herc.
The gap between f2p and spending is not something new. We all agree, or at least most of us, that the game must reward the player who supports it with money, and make it continue running etc. But. The problem this time, is that there s a new unreachable gap between level of spending. Before this set of ridiculous offers, people who spend, a nice amount, about 1/3 or half of the old set of offers, were rewarded, could keep up with whales, and be competitive. That's over now. Even if you spend money it s for nothing if not purchasing everything.
Is this still a game?
Playing this game for years. I have never seen FTp showing their appreciation towards people who pay to play. Always same old complaint in very deal that "this time is not the same. It will widen the playing ground".
In fact, Kabam never restricts any player to have access to those deals. If it is so good, why don't FTP starts buying the deal.
Without even considering buying the deal but complaining that the deal is too good for players who pay.
If the deal is not attractive, who is going to buy? Why don't you buy too?
This is such a ridiculous complain.....
Reminds me of the passage in the Bible whereby Jesus rebukes the pharisees and sadduces by saying their hypocrites cause they don't enter the kingdom of heaven and they don't allow anyone to enter also.
So, too, with FTP players. They don't buy these deals (no matter how great kabam makes them) and they don't want anyone to buy them either. These July 4th deals are, in my opinion, great!!
The issue here is FTP are complaining about whales have too good deals. Although they could buy, they won't.
The point is they want more free stuffs that the whales get, but they don't want to spend money.
Pure absurdity.
Your point is flawed, and not just on the assumption that players that are FTP are simply choosing not to buy. Some can't, or can't afford to right now.
I have not seen one post saying that F2P should get the same benefits as those who pay. There should be an advantage to those who support the game financially. Otherwise, it won't exist.
The fundamental difference is that comparatively the offers this year are substantially better than any other year - and especially for the Odins. This widens the gap considerably - more than it ever has. And free to play and low spenders alike are troubled by that.
Sometimes we could all do with seeing things from the other person's side.
You may feel this year's offer is too good, someone may feel it's not good enough.
Logged in today , got an amazing rewards of 2% T5CC crystal and 400 cav shards , from monthly paragon calendar . Then i went to check the deals ... WT#. This game is broken in every way.
I do think it strongly argues that a new progression title is coming soon. And I’m still waiting for the details on the “best free to play event ever” that was announced in a live stream? Maybe that will help settle some misgivings.
The gap between f2p and spending is not something new. We all agree, or at least most of us, that the game must reward the player who supports it with money, and make it continue running etc. But. The problem this time, is that there s a new unreachable gap between level of spending. Before this set of ridiculous offers, people who spend, a nice amount, about 1/3 or half of the old set of offers, were rewarded, could keep up with whales, and be competitive. That's over now. Even if you spend money it s for nothing if not purchasing everything.
Is this still a game?
Playing this game for years. I have never seen FTp showing their appreciation towards people who pay to play. Always same old complaint in very deal that "this time is not the same. It will widen the playing ground".
In fact, Kabam never restricts any player to have access to those deals. If it is so good, why don't FTP starts buying the deal.
Without even considering buying the deal but complaining that the deal is too good for players who pay.
If the deal is not attractive, who is going to buy? Why don't you buy too?
This is such a ridiculous complain.....
Reminds me of the passage in the Bible whereby Jesus rebukes the pharisees and sadduces by saying their hypocrites cause they don't enter the kingdom of heaven and they don't allow anyone to enter also.
So, too, with FTP players. They don't buy these deals (no matter how great kabam makes them) and they don't want anyone to buy them either. These July 4th deals are, in my opinion, great!!
Excellent way of looking at it. What surprises me is how shamelessly they say this stuff.
Meanwhile they revive farmed to get whatever they have and now that it’s gone, they want to still hold the advantage. Freeloaders gonna freeload.
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I think one of the biggest issues is actually Battleground, and the Battlegrounds Store. If skill is roughly equivalent, then the better roster will win. The Battlegrounds store is the best value in the game, and because of this being largely enabled by a competitive game mode those who can't compete have to make do with leftovers.
For the game to survive, there needs to be a reason for whales to spend the cash. F2P players are basically getting something for free, and licensing established properties certainly isn't cheap. They will be unlikely to compete at the top table, but will at least were able to compete at the lower tables so to speak.
But... this year the Unit Store offers are immense. For those who can buy multiple Odins, they are getting a great, great deal. When you add that to the confusing way that the Tiered Resource bundles work, then I can see why f2p and casuals are a bit grumpy, off the back of other changes this year like the farming nerds.
While the gap between big spenders and f2p/casuals needs to exist, it feels like these offers have stretched that gap a little too much.
It is pretty strange. Rather than seeing someone complaining that the deals are not good enough. We just see people who has no intention to spend anything complaining that the deals are too good.
And the people who don't want to spend are complaining that the deals are too good, but, bottom line is they still don't even think about purchasing anything. Strange!!
Kabam give us a few R4 and R5 resources as Gold deals (buy using gold) over the summer, as a kind of Summer Summoner Appreciation events 🤣
The point is they want more free stuffs that the whales get, but they don't want to spend money.
Pure absurdity.
I have not seen one post saying that F2P should get the same benefits as those who pay. There should be an advantage to those who support the game financially. Otherwise, it won't exist.
The fundamental difference is that comparatively the offers this year are substantially better than any other year - and especially for the Odins. This widens the gap considerably - more than it ever has. And free to play and low spenders alike are troubled by that.
Sometimes we could all do with seeing things from the other person's side.
Then whales can buy those deals to complete other game contents & decorate their roster 😂!!
If you have any business, don't charge your customers.
Let provide everything to them for free.
It is also ok for them to complain to get more free stuffs.
Now fast forward literally 2 months and those big big whales have 20-25 r5 champs. Several r2 7 stars. While those who didn't spend (or only spent a bit, I had 5k units) got zero. Squat. I'm not arguing we should get the same as the whales. I'm arguing that they got a superboost progression wise, which is more than 10 times the current top f2p players. The deals always make everything look bad but this time they DESTROYED the battlegrounds store value, which is currently the best store in the game.
If you don't get the above then I don't know how else to explain it to you. Maybe check out this video to get an idea of the situation; kt1 explains it rather well:
On a side note: im very curious what event kabam has in store that's very f2p friendly (as mentioned in their livestream). I fear everyting will fail in comparison with the fun in the sunspot event.
I can buy the odins deals IF I want but I decide not to for those money I can get better stuff IRL. If you ask me cash deal should be juicer, investing your hard earned money in to a game should give much more. Same goes for Sigil store, those who buy it should get much much more then what they get today outside of Sigil witch nothing can justify your money for some cheaper crystals and a bit faster arena.
People need to stop complaining about every deal that gets out every big event, they have a choice, spend or don't. Don't come to forums a complain every time.
Of course it can be both, everything in this game is a function of skill, luck and roster strength. More skill can make up for lack of roster strength....and better roster can make up for lack of skill.
I spend a middle amount, I buy when I see a good deal and I feel like it. There is just a lot of whining here by people who are getting a free product, not contributing financially to the game, and yet could still achieve most of what the game has to offer but think it's unfair just because some other people can get more. Everything becomes available to those who wait.
Don't get me wrong, I frequently question kabams practices, particularly in the communication department and some of their offers are downright stupid but being generally upset that spenders get a short term boost from these sales is just petty. The resources come around to everyone for free eventually and you can with enough skill still compete at a decent level.
The Offers themselves, although seemingly large, are also limited. This is to ensure game balance. That doesn't include balancing what people will get for free specifically. That's an absurdity. No one is going to spend large amounts of money for getting the same as people get for free.
Spending accelerates time. That's always been the case. You have occasional rarity Offers, but the majority of spending just saves time. Sometimes more time than other times. That's about it.
I have no idea where this misunderstanding developed, but there is no tit-for-tat balancing act between F2P and P2P. There's no competition. It's impossible. What people keep overlooking is that game balance has nothing to do with making sure spenders don't get ahead.
Then i went to check the deals ... WT#.
This game is broken in every way.
And yeah I bought all the 4-5 gems and haven’t even opened them. Still made it to GC in week one as usual with my single Carina r5 Herc.
So, too, with FTP players. They don't buy these deals (no matter how great kabam makes them) and they don't want anyone to buy them either. These July 4th deals are, in my opinion, great!!
Meanwhile they revive farmed to get whatever they have and now that it’s gone, they want to still hold the advantage. Freeloaders gonna freeload.