Noone wants to hear this right now but banquet crystals sucking is a good thing. These spending rituals like Banquet, Cyber Weekend etc are really unhealthy for the overall economy and balance of the game. I'm certain Kabam are aware of this and I wish Kabam would stop them altogether so they wouldn't feel the need to have a "chase" item for gigawhales and we can progress through the ranks and rarities as a playerbase more slowly but the amount of money these rituals seemingly generate just makes that impossible.
For banquet in particular, if the main reward in the crystal can be purchased from the rank up store for less then the unit cost of the crystal, then it has no business being in the crystal
It seems a bit unfair to valiants/paragons to be put in the same banquet crystal tier as throne breakers - to a throne breaker, spending 300 units and getting 1500 7* shards or 10% of a t6 class catalyst, whereas a valiant/paragon could’ve used those units on revives on harder events that yield greater results. I like that the superior crystal focuses on only 7* champions, but after opening roughly 60 crystals, I didn’t feel like I got 15k units worth of value. Could be rng, of course, but the SBC doesn’t seem to be worth 300 units to a valiant/paragon. And on the guardians box, I wish one of the keys would allow us to choose a champion. I understand that opening 6 boxes guarantees each champion once, but to already use 2 keys and lose to rng makes pushing to those rewards hurt more
You overloaded crystals with items that Valiants have been stockpiling for months and much of it is just going to go into the overflow. Getting the R2/3 materials isn't the end of the world, and they do have value, but they also cost more units for less materials than we can get in other places of the game.
There is a continued overvaluing of 7* champions. In old gifting events (and I do mean in the 6*R3 and earlier days) we could open 50 crystals and get several 6* champs worth of crystals, but in 50 crystals this round we might not even get one full 7* crystal. We won't even touch Titan crystals. I got 2k shards in 66 crystals (20k units worth of crystals). That's insane.
Because you can't give too much to TBs, it seems like Valiants got the short end because we are stuck sharing a prize pool with them. But that isn't just this event, it is fairly consistent across the game that Valiants will share what is ultimately reduced rewards in most content we get to play (but that's a conversation for another day).
The basement is too low, the ceiling is exciting, but our options are basement, 1st floor, or ceiling another 10 stories up and nothing in between. The scaling isn't reasonable because the drop rates lean too far in the direction of the basement.
I've never had good luck with banquet or gifting crystals, but I have never been this disappointed by a crystal opening. Had this event not been hyped as much as it was by Kabam, it may have been easier to digest. Overall, celebrating 10 years has been a great time, but it's ending on a sour note.
This. Most Paragon and Valiant players, especially free to play, could benefit from everything in the crystal EXCEPT for t5cc, t6b, and t3a, which was what seems to be in the overwhelming majority of the crystals I've seen. I understand what was said about making sure that the gap between big spenders and everyone else isn't too big (in another post), but I feel that this way of doing things actually has the opposite effect, where the only people benefitting from these crystals at all are opening huge numbers of them. I appreciate not wanting to hand out r3 and r4 materials too carelessly and in fact I think it's good for the game to take things slow in that regard, but it feels like there's no reason the drop rates for shards couldn't have been higher. It makes no difference to whale accounts with stacked rosters and in fact just makes the floor for everyone else a bit higher. As it is though, most people feel like they spent x amount of units on crystals that just disappeared straight into overflow.
Basically, raise the floor of the crystals. I understand that it's an RNG based event, but there's no reason for it to be all or nothing and spending upwards of 10k units should leave you something for your trouble, even if it's not exactly what you were after.
I popped 100 crystals and got 3100 tier 7 , 1000 titan shards and the rest was catalyst. I could have had better luck dumping my money into a VLT at the corner pub. This was enough to make me stop spending in game.
For banquet in particular, if the main reward in the crystal can be purchased from the rank up store for less then the unit cost of the crystal, then it has no business being in the crystal
And I think this is the main sticking point @Kabam. We were told something about the crystal that ended up not being true
Stop giving fragments of anything in banquet crystals and any rank up materials should be a bonus to the main pulls of full titan and 7 star crystals. Put more special champion selectors with better RNG odds in the crystals. No reason 7 star Jessica jones should be 0.00003 odds lol that’s overstating any champions worth. Use your darn brains and stop using AI offer bots to make offers to the players.
We just wanted to take a moment and address some of the concerns around our Banquet event this year as we see some of you are disappointed with the Superior Banquet Crystals in particular.
We wanted to move more of the rewards to the milestones, while keeping 7-star relevant rewards in the crystals as you build up your tracks in the various milestones between solo and alliance-based events. Our intention was to improve the experience over last year's event, and feel we have succeeded in that goal.
That being said, we want to make sure the game team sees and hears you, so please leave your constructive feedback on what you’d like to see changed.
Your intention was to improve the experience over the last year’s event…. You have failed, not just “some” of us, but the majority of us.
I’m all for spending money when that money is being spent on something that is worthy of it. As a valiant player, now former whale, I’m happy to keep my credit card in my wallet and out of your hands moving forward. It’s been fun MCOC. You’ve burned the community one too many times for this to be acceptable. Rather than learning from your mistakes, especially with last year’s event, you’ve decided to continue on the road you’ve been going on. The community will not stand for this.
Well, it's after 3 AM here in Sweden so I'll just copy one thing I said in another thread (since this seems to be the "official thread" for feedback):
"What I will say is that I wish that there were more extraordinary rewards. I don't mean that in the sense that I wish Kabam had flooded us with more t4a and other endgame resources, but rather that there were more rewards that we can't get outside of these events. I think the reworked champion box is a good idea that fills that itch nicely, but I didn't get any keys from any of the crystals themselves. I just wish that there was something in the crystals, with a decently high enough chance to drop that you're likely to at least pull it maybe once or twice, were you'd go "Oh, this is cool!"
Maybe it's a selector where you can choose between some amount of 7* shards and perhaps two other types of rewards. I dunno, it's a bit hard to come up with rewards that both feel special while simultaneously not being so OP that they can't be given out relatively freely. I would just want these crystals to feel different from just completing content. Right now, there's like a 0,5% chance for that to happen. I don't necessarily want the keys to be more readily available, but something along those lines. Just so that it's not just a couple of percent of all summoners that experience something special, but a lot more of us. Even if that special thing isn't groundbreaking in and of itself."
I'm personally pretty happy with the event overall. I share some of the frustrations that others have voiced about the crystals not being particularly exciting and that it's usually just small amounts of materials that are fairly easy to come by for Valiant players already, but to me at least, the event rewards made up for that to a large degree. It certainly helped that I had exceedingly good fortune in terms of the champions that I pulled from the basics, a Titan, and with a key. Out of seven champs, I wouldn't consider any of them a dud and maybe five of them were champs or awakenings I really, really wanted.
But like I said in the quoted section - I really wish that there was something in the crystals that was both exciting (in terms of being fairly crystal-exclusive) and common enough that you could actually realistically pull it without being supremely lucky. I actually quite like that most of the juicy rewards are in the event itself, but hopefully the crystals can become more exciting in the future. As someone who both recorded my own opening and have watched others open their crystals, I can tell you that just opening crystal after crystal after crystal with mostly t5cc and small amounts of other shards, isn't especially thrilling content for anyone. I think there needs to be some more spice in there. A little more...pizzazz.
Even if that doesn't necessarily mean "more rewards" per se.
The introduction of T7 Basic to the majority of users is in the form of a low drop rate on 1% of a catalyst. This is followed up by the next most desirable item, the 7* Awakening gem fragments at 5% of a catalyst.
The presence of T5CCs only makes sense if it was multiples or alongside T6CC Fragments. The T6CC fragments are also too frequently occurring in smaller amounts. Also, why didn't the Gold scale up on the Superior Banquet Crystals?
At this point, if you want to save face, the best bet is to have additional solo milestones that reward T7 Basic fragments, 7* Awakening Gem shards and Titan Shards.
The Glorious Guardians Sig Stones were a nice joke too considering we're going to need to get 7 keys before we can use them.
Even the lower tier crystals should have better drop rates on the lower level rank up materials. I should be getting 10x T1 Alphas or 5x T4 Basics. You should be able to beat the price point if you're leveling up 4 and 5* champions using units instead of catalysts,
Personally, I'm sitting on 12K units that were earmarked for additional Banquet Crystals that I will probably be using for something else.
As a Valiant player I don't think the cost of the crystal is nearly worth the likely reward...I can buy 5% of a T6CC for 65 units, why would I spend 300 units for 10% of one? I've also been overflowing on T6B and T3A for a while now so those are not appealing to me, in fact they just encourage me to rank champs I don't want to simply because I'd rather use the resources rather than let them expire. There are also so many areas to purchase the rank-up mats. But it's difficult to purchase more crystal shards outside of the BG store (where 5* shards were removed, which I still don't understand...why take things away? I was happy spending those tokens every week)
In previous years banquet would give me plenty of crystals and shards I couldn't get elsewhere, this year I feel my units are better spent on the couple deathless pieces I missed.
I understand locking the best rewards in events, but unless I spend 15k units on catalyst crystals for champs I don't want to use, it's not worth it for me to spend units beyond getting the deathless she-hulk piece.
I basically opened about 20 crystals and all I got was 25% or 5% T6 class cat frags, like literally not once did I get anything else, so I think the drop rates should be buffed.
- 14 day banquet calendar with free stuff - for 10 years everyone should get 10 SBC for free - Lock Players in an alliance until the event is over to prevent kicking - lower the price of GBCs to 150 - Remove the point requirements for the realm banquet event - buff the chance for 7 star shards in SBCs by 10-15% and make the minimum you can get 2500 shards (It wont break the game)
This is meant to celebrate 10 years of the contest!!! 10 years of summoners fighting horrors across the endless void of the battlerealm!!! This is the time to show your greatest appreciation for summoners! So it’s disappointing when you make an event like this that doesn't show your appreciation for us especially after 10 years. Yes the 7 star calendar was a great addition, but the banquet event is a bit of a letdown. Go out of 10 years with a massive bang and even bigger rewards than every single event you’ve ever had. I really want this game to succeed and I wholeheartedly appreciate everyone at Kabam from the working their butts off day and night to make a game like this happen; but at some points it doesn't feel like you really tried to make this particular event the biggest and best it could be after 10 years of the contest and with rewards that would blow summoners socks off.
I'll put this here too. Maybe there should have been a way for ftp or just everyone to get 6 of the keys without spending on Odins. Maybe the purchasing should have been reserved for the awakenings and not the initial acquisition.
So are y’all gonna actually do something or just accept that everyone hates you guys after this event lol
They said the goal was for us to be seen and heard, but they didn't say that the goal was to acknowledge us. They've already started on the defense, I doubt they do anything.
I should also say the awakening gem for the reworked champs is quite horrible to say the least since for one u need to get one worthy which from the 6 for me its just 2 champs and u gotta pull them first, which could take until they are seen agin it would of been better if was a saga gem or a saga gem selector of the 3 sagas we had
I have been disappointed in this event and as most people on this forum have said it is the value placed on the 300 units for the superior crystal that is the biggest issue. If you take the price of Tier 6 fragments in the battlegrounds store, the fragments cost 1200 points and for the banquet, it is costing me 300 units? These also make up 31.26% of the crystals. This is why the community feels like they are being taken advantage of. There are 2 solutions to this: The tier 6 basic fragments should be removed from the crystal drops and the odds redistributed and unit cost of all the crystals should be halved i.e. to 150 for superior crystals, but keeping the points value the same for the events. Then reimburse those that have already spent units by refunding half of the units that they have spent on crystals.
One nice, small adjustment would have been to change the gifted guardian keys to selectors. It's still a small pool of champs, so we'd likely still be getting champs we haven't used recently, but at least we could get the one(s) we're most excited about.
i have to echo the drop rates ... i opened 100+ crystals and not a single 7* was given .. no selector, no crystal ... didn't even sniff a chance at one single seven star champ nor got anywhere close to a Titan via crystals .. I did manage a few thousand seven star shards and the glorious ISO i'm stocked heavily on until maybe 2029.
For valiant, some feedback would be too much materials people already have a lot of and disappointed that the gifted guardians was not a selector. I’d recommend for the amount of money players spend, and time put in, to make more selectable items, like some of the daily event selectors, so people don’t end up feeling frustrated with an event that is supposed to be exciting for them. Intended to be just feedback.
i have to echo the drop rates ... i opened 100+ crystals and not a single 7* was given .. no selector, no crystal ... didn't even sniff a chance at one single seven star champ nor got anywhere close to a Titan via crystals .. I did manage a few thousand seven star shards and the glorious ISO i'm stocked heavily on until maybe 2029.
Exactly that is unacceptable and it wasn’t unreasonable for us to expect to be able to open multiple titans and 7 stars
Beating a dead horse with this comment, but y’all can’t go on the livestream and talk big game about how the team has taken previous feedback into account in order to “remove filler” from the crystals then turn around and claim that the intention was always to have the rewards in the milestones. This wouldn’t even be a terrible approach to rewards if you guys had just clearly communicated this intent, but as is you’ve pretty much just lied and are trying to gaslight us. The crystals are filler for us at the top, the only real rewards are in the milestones, and even then they don’t seem all that impressive.
Made some comments on this in a few other threads as well, but having glorious guardian sig stones in the milestone rewards is just plain illogical. You’ve explicitly designed a new champ acquisition system that pretty much prevents you from getting dupes in favor of collecting all the champs in the pool, so these sig stones are going to waste for anyone but the monumentally lucky who roll 4+ banquet keys from the crystals. That or, of course, those who get the awakening gem from the higher milestones, but designing the system around the assumption that you max out rewards isn’t fair. People shouldn’t get junk items that only become valuable with further effort, each reward should be a, well, reward it’s own right.
And lastly, you guys should probably learn to read the room. Maybe it’s true that you guys set goals and you feel you’ve achieved them. The forums and other community hubs are on fire right now from people who evidently feel otherwise. It really would not have cost you anything to just omit that part. Telling the player base that their grievances aren’t shared by the team feels dismissive no matter what the true intent of that message is. It feels especially snide when this is supposed to be a thread collecting feedback. “We want to know what went wrong, even though we didn’t actually do anything wrong”. It undercuts the message.
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Basically, raise the floor of the crystals. I understand that it's an RNG based event, but there's no reason for it to be all or nothing and spending upwards of 10k units should leave you something for your trouble, even if it's not exactly what you were after.
I’m all for spending money when that money is being spent on something that is worthy of it. As a valiant player, now former whale, I’m happy to keep my credit card in my wallet and out of your hands moving forward. It’s been fun MCOC. You’ve burned the community one too many times for this to be acceptable. Rather than learning from your mistakes, especially with last year’s event, you’ve decided to continue on the road you’ve been going on. The community will not stand for this.
"What I will say is that I wish that there were more extraordinary rewards. I don't mean that in the sense that I wish Kabam had flooded us with more t4a and other endgame resources, but rather that there were more rewards that we can't get outside of these events. I think the reworked champion box is a good idea that fills that itch nicely, but I didn't get any keys from any of the crystals themselves. I just wish that there was something in the crystals, with a decently high enough chance to drop that you're likely to at least pull it maybe once or twice, were you'd go "Oh, this is cool!"
Maybe it's a selector where you can choose between some amount of 7* shards and perhaps two other types of rewards. I dunno, it's a bit hard to come up with rewards that both feel special while simultaneously not being so OP that they can't be given out relatively freely. I would just want these crystals to feel different from just completing content. Right now, there's like a 0,5% chance for that to happen. I don't necessarily want the keys to be more readily available, but something along those lines. Just so that it's not just a couple of percent of all summoners that experience something special, but a lot more of us. Even if that special thing isn't groundbreaking in and of itself."
I'm personally pretty happy with the event overall. I share some of the frustrations that others have voiced about the crystals not being particularly exciting and that it's usually just small amounts of materials that are fairly easy to come by for Valiant players already, but to me at least, the event rewards made up for that to a large degree. It certainly helped that I had exceedingly good fortune in terms of the champions that I pulled from the basics, a Titan, and with a key. Out of seven champs, I wouldn't consider any of them a dud and maybe five of them were champs or awakenings I really, really wanted.
But like I said in the quoted section - I really wish that there was something in the crystals that was both exciting (in terms of being fairly crystal-exclusive) and common enough that you could actually realistically pull it without being supremely lucky. I actually quite like that most of the juicy rewards are in the event itself, but hopefully the crystals can become more exciting in the future. As someone who both recorded my own opening and have watched others open their crystals, I can tell you that just opening crystal after crystal after crystal with mostly t5cc and small amounts of other shards, isn't especially thrilling content for anyone. I think there needs to be some more spice in there. A little more...pizzazz.
Even if that doesn't necessarily mean "more rewards" per se.
The presence of T5CCs only makes sense if it was multiples or alongside T6CC Fragments. The T6CC fragments are also too frequently occurring in smaller amounts. Also, why didn't the Gold scale up on the Superior Banquet Crystals?
At this point, if you want to save face, the best bet is to have additional solo milestones that reward T7 Basic fragments, 7* Awakening Gem shards and Titan Shards.
The Glorious Guardians Sig Stones were a nice joke too considering we're going to need to get 7 keys before we can use them.
Even the lower tier crystals should have better drop rates on the lower level rank up materials. I should be getting 10x T1 Alphas or 5x T4 Basics. You should be able to beat the price point if you're leveling up 4 and 5* champions using units instead of catalysts,
Personally, I'm sitting on 12K units that were earmarked for additional Banquet Crystals that I will probably be using for something else.
In previous years banquet would give me plenty of crystals and shards I couldn't get elsewhere, this year I feel my units are better spent on the couple deathless pieces I missed.
I understand locking the best rewards in events, but unless I spend 15k units on catalyst crystals for champs I don't want to use, it's not worth it for me to spend units beyond getting the deathless she-hulk piece.
Just missed opportunities all around.
- 14 day banquet calendar with free stuff
- for 10 years everyone should get 10 SBC for free
- Lock Players in an alliance until the event is over to prevent kicking
- lower the price of GBCs to 150
- Remove the point requirements for the realm banquet event
- buff the chance for 7 star shards in SBCs by 10-15% and make the minimum you can get 2500 shards (It wont break the game)
This is meant to celebrate 10 years of the contest!!! 10 years of summoners fighting horrors across the endless void of the battlerealm!!! This is the time to show your greatest appreciation for summoners! So it’s disappointing when you make an event like this that doesn't show your appreciation for us especially after 10 years. Yes the 7 star calendar was a great addition, but the banquet event is a bit of a letdown. Go out of 10 years with a massive bang and even bigger rewards than every single event you’ve ever had. I really want this game to succeed and I wholeheartedly appreciate everyone at Kabam from the working their butts off day and night to make a game like this happen; but at some points it doesn't feel like you really tried to make this particular event the biggest and best it could be after 10 years of the contest and with rewards that would blow summoners socks off.
Maybe there should have been a way for ftp or just everyone to get 6 of the keys without spending on Odins.
Maybe the purchasing should have been reserved for the awakenings and not the initial acquisition.
Made some comments on this in a few other threads as well, but having glorious guardian sig stones in the milestone rewards is just plain illogical. You’ve explicitly designed a new champ acquisition system that pretty much prevents you from getting dupes in favor of collecting all the champs in the pool, so these sig stones are going to waste for anyone but the monumentally lucky who roll 4+ banquet keys from the crystals. That or, of course, those who get the awakening gem from the higher milestones, but designing the system around the assumption that you max out rewards isn’t fair. People shouldn’t get junk items that only become valuable with further effort, each reward should be a, well, reward it’s own right.
And lastly, you guys should probably learn to read the room. Maybe it’s true that you guys set goals and you feel you’ve achieved them. The forums and other community hubs are on fire right now from people who evidently feel otherwise. It really would not have cost you anything to just omit that part. Telling the player base that their grievances aren’t shared by the team feels dismissive no matter what the true intent of that message is. It feels especially snide when this is supposed to be a thread collecting feedback. “We want to know what went wrong, even though we didn’t actually do anything wrong”. It undercuts the message.