As for the Twitch drop issue, it actually wasn't intended for it to be in the July drop, and these are extra points.
I'm aware that some people got it over others - (Why are you waiting a whole week to claim the Twitch drops, btw...?) - and I've asked the Data team to run a giftmap to everyone who claimed it before the points were live.
Maybe we'll do more streams with more extra points? Who knows, it's a long summer - and this event is supposed to be a casual and fun source of extra rewards you gain from engaging with the game leading up to Summoners Fest (come hang out in Vancouver, btw)
We were not told there would be Summoners Fest points in Twitch drops (which there weren't any!) so now giving some summoners those EXTRA points seem very unfair to the rest of us who couldn't claim the drops.
One question for you @WednesdayLength, do you believe all players can hit the 285,000 mark without doing the AW Showcase related points and Nightmare raids? Just curious and if so please let me know. This realm event seems different than prior ones where the entire community could honestly get the top rewards and then the rank rewards is what distinguished between players.
No, because they're not supposed to. If you want or new the absolute top tier of rewards you shouldn't expect to get them without doing big content. This showcase is probably the easiest one we've had so far by the way
One question for you @WednesdayLength, do you believe all players can hit the 285,000 mark without doing the AW Showcase related points and Nightmare raids? Just curious and if so please let me know. This realm event seems different than prior ones where the entire community could honestly get the top rewards and then the rank rewards is what distinguished between players.
No, because they're not supposed to. If you want or new the absolute top tier of rewards you shouldn't expect to get them without doing big content. This showcase is probably the easiest one we've had so far by the way
One point I would argue with is the notion of “big content.”
We can only do the content that’s in front of us, and whether that’s big enough or not isn’t really in our control. Sure, the Showcase and Gauntlet aren’t really bad but they aren’t really “big” compared to things like Carina’s or WoF or Necro. They’re just the latest incarnation of “harder” content.
As for top tier rewards being only available to players who compete the hardest content available, I agree with you—you should not get it all for less.
But I also think there’s a bit of a gap in the Realm event where a player who does everything except Raids finds himself at or below the 6* nexus crystal or even 6* saga sig stone milestones.
Obviously Kabam feels differently, but those aren’t anywhere near top rewards for players who can do everything else except Raids. There is decent stuff along the way, but the breakdown seems disproportionately weighted against non-Raids players and alliances.
If anything disappoints me about a “Realm” event, that’s it.
Dr. Zola
Edit: I will add that I am at the “1665 points every other day” part of this month with a 465 points from DSE day in between. That lasts for the rest of the month until August content drops. Adding points to my Realm score will be slow for the next few weeks, which kind of exemplifies the event design issues.
There are 300,000 total earnable points, so yes you can reach the top milestone, even if you miss a few.
Why do you make everything p2w?
I wouldn't call it pay to win. Sure, spending could be a tie breaker for points, but if you don't do everything, especially Raids, no amount of spending is going to catch you up.
Well, technically speaking $24,000 USD might catch you up. But even among the mega whales I suspect the number of people who will actually do that is very close to zero.
Since about a third of the realm points are in Raids, and my alliance doesn't do raids (much less Nightmare Raids which seems to be required to cap out the milestones) I'm basically out of it. But the event is still giving me a ton of rewards for basically just playing the game more or less as I normally do, so I can't be too upset. I find it ... odd that there's so much emphasis on Raids given their presumptive optional nature - and the fact they are tied to alliances, meaning individual players cannot simply choose to do them just for the event - but I suppose Kabam has its reasons there.
There are ranked rewards, which will be unobtainable unless you pay I would call that pay to win
They are unobtainable even if you do pay, unless you also basically do everything. Normally the term pay to win refers to games where either whomever pays the most wins, or spending offers an overwhelming advantage compared to everything else. But that's not really true here, except in an essentially unrealistic extreme. Spending offers an advantage between two players who otherwise are tied in all other respects, but having an advantage between two competitors who otherwise do exactly the same things equally well is not pay to win, that is literally all competitions.
I'm sorry but if there's NO way you can place #1 without having to spend, it's called a PAY TO WIN event.
In whatever circles you roam, I believe you. Including the fact you probably shout it out loud while you're typing it.
I come from the ancient generation of game players that did not just make up new meanings for words to justify their use. Once upon a time, calling this situation "pay to win" would have gotten you laughed off the discussion boards. Of course, that was back when literacy was almost a prerequisite to even get on the internet, since you needed to at least be able to read instructions to do so.
By the way, there is literally no possible avenue by which a Chess player can become the FIDE world champion without spending money. Therefore, Chess is a pay to win competition.
for a "forum guardian" who's meant to help the players on the forums you're awfully ironic at times and some of your posts have become just like any random guy poking at people with 0 advancing to the conversation lol
The guardians are here to help kabam. Not the players. Dont know where you got that idea from
yeah help kabam by responding to players and solving the issue, not being ironic and making jokes
There are 300,000 total earnable points, so yes you can reach the top milestone, even if you miss a few.
So 95% of the available points to get the top milestone, but nightmare raid bosses aren’t working right and lots of players didn’t know that watching the July livestream in the middle of the American workday was one of the ways to get required points?
90% would have been a more reasonable threshold if one livestream is 1/6 of the cushion
There are 300,000 total earnable points, so yes you can reach the top milestone, even if you miss a few.
Why do you make everything p2w?
I wouldn't call it pay to win. Sure, spending could be a tie breaker for points, but if you don't do everything, especially Raids, no amount of spending is going to catch you up.
Well, technically speaking $24,000 USD might catch you up. But even among the mega whales I suspect the number of people who will actually do that is very close to zero.
Since about a third of the realm points are in Raids, and my alliance doesn't do raids (much less Nightmare Raids which seems to be required to cap out the milestones) I'm basically out of it. But the event is still giving me a ton of rewards for basically just playing the game more or less as I normally do, so I can't be too upset. I find it ... odd that there's so much emphasis on Raids given their presumptive optional nature - and the fact they are tied to alliances, meaning individual players cannot simply choose to do them just for the event - but I suppose Kabam has its reasons there.
There are ranked rewards, which will be unobtainable unless you pay I would call that pay to win
They are unobtainable even if you do pay, unless you also basically do everything. Normally the term pay to win refers to games where either whomever pays the most wins, or spending offers an overwhelming advantage compared to everything else. But that's not really true here, except in an essentially unrealistic extreme. Spending offers an advantage between two players who otherwise are tied in all other respects, but having an advantage between two competitors who otherwise do exactly the same things equally well is not pay to win, that is literally all competitions.
I'm sorry but if there's NO way you can place #1 without having to spend, it's called a PAY TO WIN event.
In whatever circles you roam, I believe you. Including the fact you probably shout it out loud while you're typing it.
I come from the ancient generation of game players that did not just make up new meanings for words to justify their use. Once upon a time, calling this situation "pay to win" would have gotten you laughed off the discussion boards. Of course, that was back when literacy was almost a prerequisite to even get on the internet, since you needed to at least be able to read instructions to do so.
By the way, there is literally no possible avenue by which a Chess player can become the FIDE world champion without spending money. Therefore, Chess is a pay to win competition.
for a "forum guardian" who's meant to help the players on the forums you're awfully ironic at times and some of your posts have become just like any random guy poking at people with 0 advancing to the conversation lol
The guardians are here to help kabam. Not the players. Dont know where you got that idea from
yeah help kabam by responding to players and solving the issue, not being ironic and making jokes
You clearly haven't been around here long then. If you think that
One question for you @WednesdayLength, do you believe all players can hit the 285,000 mark without doing the AW Showcase related points and Nightmare raids? Just curious and if so please let me know. This realm event seems different than prior ones where the entire community could honestly get the top rewards and then the rank rewards is what distinguished between players.
No, because they're not supposed to. If you want or new the absolute top tier of rewards you shouldn't expect to get them without doing big content. This showcase is probably the easiest one we've had so far by the way
One point I would argue with is the notion of “big content.”
We can only do the content that’s in front of us, and whether that’s big enough or not isn’t really in our control. Sure, the Showcase and Gauntlet aren’t really bad but they aren’t really “big” compared to things like Carina’s or WoF or Necro. They’re just the latest incarnation of “harder” content.
As for top tier rewards being only available to players who compete the hardest content available, I agree with you—you should not get it all for less.
But I also think there’s a bit of a gap in the Realm event where a player who does everything except Raids finds himself at or below the 6* nexus crystal or even 6* saga sig stone milestones.
Obviously Kabam feels differently, but those aren’t anywhere near top rewards for players who can do everything else except Raids. There is decent stuff along the way, but the breakdown seems disproportionately weighted against non-Raids players and alliances.
If anything disappoints me about a “Realm” event, that’s it.
Dr. Zola
Edit: I will add that I am at the “1665 points every other day” part of this month with a 465 points from DSE day in between. That lasts for the rest of the month until August content drops. Adding points to my Realm score will be slow for the next few weeks, which kind of exemplifies the event design issues.
I guess? I just can't see how anyone that isn't doing this content would need anything other than the shard selectors which are pretty sizeable for not a lot of effort
So this is what’s essentially replaced the Summoner Appreciation events? This really feels poorly designed as a ‘community event.
This isn't replacing the "Summoner Appreciation Events."
Curious more clarity for Realm event coming? soon?
If you engage with the game in all areas throughout the next two months, you'll gain points in the event. The more players that do this, the higher the overall Milestone will get, granting everyone more rewards throughout the event.
You can reach the top milestone without spending money on the event. There are some milestones linked to in-person announcements, etc, at Summoners Fest in November...
Is there any additional clarity you're looking for me to share?
So all players have access to the valiant EQ this month? How does a player reach the top milestone without that?
I believe Paragon players still have access to Valiant EQ.
The top milestones consist of Tier 7 Basic. If you aren't Paragon yet, Tier 7 Basic shouldn't be naturally obtainable.
So you are missing my point. All of the previous realm events let everyone contribute as much as they could/wanted to. Yes it is harder for lower accounts but they still could. A throne breaker player could have opened enough banquet crystals to get all of the rewards. A cavalier player could grind battlegrounds. This realm event restricts what players can get. Your argument is the top rewards are too good to give to lower accounts. What would they do with one Tier 7?
If Realm events are supposed to unite the community with a single goal, this fails because by your own admission the entire community can’t achieve the final goal.
Isn't your point always missed wisdom of the profounded? I mean, it's rarely caught, objective, or has deductive reasoning. After all these years, common sense lacks commonalities. )
The shard/sig stone selectors are what that makes the event attractive at all to a non-Raids player.
But for an event that’s almost 10 weeks long, if you don’t play Raids, you play to score in the Event for a week+, then essentially wait a few weeks for the next month before doing the same thing and waiting for the event to finish out over the final few weeks.
To me, that seems like a lot of disconnection for a Realm event.
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so now giving some summoners those EXTRA points seem very unfair to the rest of us who couldn't claim the drops.
We can only do the content that’s in front of us, and whether that’s big enough or not isn’t really in our control. Sure, the Showcase and Gauntlet aren’t really bad but they aren’t really “big” compared to things like Carina’s or WoF or Necro. They’re just the latest incarnation of “harder” content.
As for top tier rewards being only available to players who compete the hardest content available, I agree with you—you should not get it all for less.
But I also think there’s a bit of a gap in the Realm event where a player who does everything except Raids finds himself at or below the 6* nexus crystal or even 6* saga sig stone milestones.
Obviously Kabam feels differently, but those aren’t anywhere near top rewards for players who can do everything else except Raids. There is decent stuff along the way, but the breakdown seems disproportionately weighted against non-Raids players and alliances.
If anything disappoints me about a “Realm” event, that’s it.
Dr. Zola
Edit: I will add that I am at the “1665 points every other day” part of this month with a 465 points from DSE day in between. That lasts for the rest of the month until August content drops. Adding points to my Realm score will be slow for the next few weeks, which kind of exemplifies the event design issues.
90% would have been a more reasonable threshold if one livestream is 1/6 of the cushion
The shard/sig stone selectors are what that makes the event attractive at all to a non-Raids player.
But for an event that’s almost 10 weeks long, if you don’t play Raids, you play to score in the Event for a week+, then essentially wait a few weeks for the next month before doing the same thing and waiting for the event to finish out over the final few weeks.
To me, that seems like a lot of disconnection for a Realm event.
Dr. Zola