Well, what you're describing are most of the ways to get Gold, save for Questing. Arena, Selling, Dups...etc. Sounds like you're just not a fan of the system in general. Which is fine. That just doesn't mean it's inherently broken.
Never said it was broken. Just that it could be improved and tuned. That’s what this whole discussion is about
The Title asks if it's really a problem. That's what we're talking about. A problem for some doesn't mean it's a problem in general.
Also, an issue that isn't a problem for some doesn't mean it isn't a problem in general.
Guys really though... Just watch this for a few seconds. I want this kind of happiness in my life. The happiness that can only come from not having to grind arena. Lol
Guys really though... Just watch this for a few seconds. I want this kind of happiness in my life. The happiness that can only come from not having to grind arena. Lol
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
Looks like there is a sad little Line group getting loads of ppl to create gold posts.
There is enough gold.
Stop expecting to rank up daily!
Gold has been made available in war, AQ, more events come with gold, and arena.
Get a grip people and PLAY the game to EARN the gold!!!!!!!
What line group?
Who's sad?
There is enough gold? That's your opinion, and that's ok.
I'm not expecting to rank up daily,
I don't get gold in AQ,
I do play the game and earn the gold. I think I should earn more, my opinion.
Well that’s your choice to do map 6x5 which I don’t think you are personally, maybe a couple days yeah. But that’s upto your ally to sacrifice the gold from doing it isn’t it?
Gold is available from new uncollected difficulty, so that’s 1000s extra more gold a month.
Yeah you might play the game, but do some arena, that is the way to get gold.
It’s almost like saying there are no T4 basics and then saying you doing do AQ...or saying there are no 5* shards but don’t do wars... well that’s where they are at etc... different areas of the game provide different resources.
If your not ranking up often, how can you need more gold?
Looks like there is a sad little Line group getting loads of ppl to create gold posts.
There is enough gold.
Stop expecting to rank up daily!
Gold has been made available in war, AQ, more events come with gold, and arena.
Get a grip people and PLAY the game to EARN the gold!!!!!!!
What line group?
Who's sad?
There is enough gold? That's your opinion, and that's ok.
I'm not expecting to rank up daily,
I don't get gold in AQ,
I do play the game and earn the gold. I think I should earn more, my opinion.
Well that’s your choice to do map 6x5 which I don’t think you are personally, maybe a couple days yeah. But that’s upto your ally to sacrifice the gold from doing it isn’t it?
Gold is available from new uncollected difficulty, so that’s 1000s extra more gold a month.
Yeah you might play the game, but do some arena, that is the way to get gold.
It’s almost like saying there are no T4 basics and then saying you doing do AQ...or saying there are no 5* shards but don’t do wars... well that’s where they are at etc... different areas of the game provide different resources.
If your not ranking up often, how can you need more gold?
But fair enough, everyone has their own opinion.
Your points are incorrect.
1) How much new gold was added with Uncollected EQ? Do you get a significant amount from completion or exploration? If you don't then that's not really an addition of new gold. That energy would have been spent anyway to collect gold in other quests.
2) I do a lot of arena.
3) It's in no way like saying there are no T4B and not doing AQ, or saying there is no 5* shards and not doing AW. Both T4B and 5* shard gains have increased btw, gold has not in a meaningful way.
4) There are more ways than ranking up to spend gold. Also, I've said many times I rank just enough to get the 4th milestone in level up solo event.
5) Yes, we do all have our opinions.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
Well that's just some nonsense right there. Kabam increased t4cc availablity an didn't rebalance the entire system.
Fact is you don't see a problem because you are not in that point of progression( NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK). That's fine each to their own, but you don't rank 5* past r2, also don't donate to AQ. If this was out in real world terms you are still living in 1950 while the rest of us are in 2018 living on a 1950's income.
Gold should go up with inflation ( 5&6*) just as the amount of shards, cats an frags has
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
Well that's just some nonsense right there. Kabam increased t4cc availablity an didn't rebalance the entire system.
Fact is you don't see a problem because you are not in that point of progression( NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK). That's fine each to their own, but you don't rank 5* past r2, also don't donate to AQ. If this was out in real world terms you are still living in 1950 while the rest of us are in 2018 living on a 1950's income.
Gold should go up with inflation ( 5&6*) just as the amount of shards, cats an frags has
Right. You make pointed comments about my level of progression in the game, and it's not personal. You continually comment on Threads that I'm in, with the express purpose of taking jabs at me, and try to say it's not personal. Your intentions are clearer than your arguments. You are not correct on what I am Ranking. You cannot presume to know what I am spending and what I am not. I have not commented such. All you're trying to do is abase me in some way, and quite frankly it's repetitive at this point. You can continue to try and single me out, but it's adding nothing productive to the conversation.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with. Adding too much would potentially create a need. Everything is accounted for.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with. Adding too much would potentially create a need. Everything is accounted for.
At this point I'm not sure you even believe what you are saying. I feel like you are just taking the opposing stance just to take the opposing stance. You can't say, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." and then say, "Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with."
They actually did increase the rate you obtain other materials, they actually did not increase the rate at which you obtain gold in any meaningful way.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
Well that's just some nonsense right there. Kabam increased t4cc availablity an didn't rebalance the entire system.
Fact is you don't see a problem because you are not in that point of progression( NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK). That's fine each to their own, but you don't rank 5* past r2, also don't donate to AQ. If this was out in real world terms you are still living in 1950 while the rest of us are in 2018 living on a 1950's income.
Gold should go up with inflation ( 5&6*) just as the amount of shards, cats an frags has
Right. You make pointed comments about my level of progression in the game, and it's not personal. You continually comment on Threads that I'm in, with the express purpose of taking jabs at me, and try to say it's not personal. Your intentions are clearer than your arguments. You are not correct on what I am Ranking. You cannot presume to know what I am spending and what I am not. I have not commented such. All you're trying to do is abase me in some way, and quite frankly it's repetitive at this point. You can continue to try and single me out, but it's adding nothing productive to the conversation.
Seriously keeping calling me out saying am abusing you is way against tos
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with. Adding too much would potentially create a need. Everything is accounted for.
I'm not sure you in believe in your position anymore. It feels now like you are taking the opposite view just to take it.
You literally said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." now you are saying, "Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with."
Well it's too bad they re-balanced the other materials already yeah? So, they need to re-balance the rate in witch we obtain gold by your first statement yeah?
Also, @GroundedWisdom don't speak in absolutes. You don't know that everything is accounted for. We have no idea what Kabam's views on this topic is, because after 11 pages and numerous threads they still haven't communicated that to us.
All we know from Kabam is that we need to "Let the game tune itself"
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
Well that's just some nonsense right there. Kabam increased t4cc availablity an didn't rebalance the entire system.
Fact is you don't see a problem because you are not in that point of progression( NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK). That's fine each to their own, but you don't rank 5* past r2, also don't donate to AQ. If this was out in real world terms you are still living in 1950 while the rest of us are in 2018 living on a 1950's income.
Gold should go up with inflation ( 5&6*) just as the amount of shards, cats an frags has
Right. You make pointed comments about my level of progression in the game, and it's not personal. You continually comment on Threads that I'm in, with the express purpose of taking jabs at me, and try to say it's not personal. Your intentions are clearer than your arguments. You are not correct on what I am Ranking. You cannot presume to know what I am spending and what I am not. I have not commented such. All you're trying to do is abase me in some way, and quite frankly it's repetitive at this point. You can continue to try and single me out, but it's adding nothing productive to the conversation.
Seriously keeping calling me out saying am abusing you is way against tos
It's not calling you out. It's stating the facts. I could search Thread after Thread where you hadn't commented at all, and the first comment you made was addressing me with various personal undertones. I'm just not allowing it to provoke me into anything anymore. I'm not taking responsibility for what is not mine to deal with. All the best.
It's not calling you out. It's stating the facts. I could search Thread after Thread where you hadn't commented at all, and the first comment you made was addressing me with various personal undertones. I'm just not allowing it to provoke me into anything anymore. I'm not taking responsibility for what is not mine to deal with. All the best.
Stay on topic. You can hash this out in private messages.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with. Adding too much would potentially create a need. Everything is accounted for.
I'm not sure you in believe in your position anymore. It feels now like you are taking the opposite view just to take it.
You literally said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." now you are saying, "Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with."
Well it's too bad they re-balanced the other materials already yeah? So, they need to re-balance the rate in witch we obtain gold by your first statement yeah?
You're talking about a small increase of the availability of Cats where, for example, it took months and years for some demographics to acquire them. That's not the same as Gold, which is already abundantly throughout the game, and has been increased as well over time. Yes, everything is balanced. Even the Cats that were added were balances among everything else. You're looking for a contradiction without taking the context into account.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with. Adding too much would potentially create a need. Everything is accounted for.
I'm not sure you in believe in your position anymore. It feels now like you are taking the opposite view just to take it.
You literally said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." now you are saying, "Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with."
Well it's too bad they re-balanced the other materials already yeah? So, they need to re-balance the rate in witch we obtain gold by your first statement yeah?
You're talking about a small increase of the availability of Cats where, for example, it took months and years for some demographics to acquire them. That's not the same as Gold, which is already abundantly throughout the game, and has been increased as well over time. Yes, everything is balanced. Even the Cats that were added were balances among everything else. You're looking for a contradiction without taking the context into account.
1) I'm talking about a significant increase in the ability to gather catalysts, bit a "small increase"
2) Gold may seem like it is abundantly available throughout the game because there are so many things you can sell to acquire it. This does not mean that there is enough of it in game.
3) Gold has not been increased in a significant way for a long time, cats have.
4) You are speaking in absolutes again, you have zero clue if everything is balanced or not.
5) You are making incorrect statements and then saying I'm taking something out of context which isn't true. You only just made a statement proving my point, and are now back tracking it. I'm ok with that just don't say I'm taking it out of context, I'm not.
Gold can be acquired throughout the game, not just Selling. Arena, Questing, Selling, War, AQ, Events, pretty much every facet. Cats have not been increased that significantly when you factor in the perspective. Perhaps at some levels of growth. Not overall. Gold has been increased as well. Just not in a way that would make a dent in what people are trying to do. I'm not even going to entertain the idea that it's my assumption that Resources are balanced. They're not just some random, separate floating values. I've said before and I'll say again, things don't operate in vacuums. Meaning everything has an effect on everything.
Gold can be acquired throughout the game, not just Selling. Arena, Questing, Selling, War, AQ, Events, pretty much every facet. Cats have not been increased that significantly when you factor in the perspective. Perhaps at some levels of growth. Not overall. Gold has been increased as well. Just not in a way that would make a dent in what people are trying to do. I'm not even going to entertain the idea that it's my assumption that Resources are balanced. They're not just some random, separate floating values. I've said before and I'll say again, things don't operate in vacuums. Meaning everything has an effect on everything.
Ok I just want to point out that everything you said is mumbo jumbo. Not to be mean, but it just is.
1) Yes, gold can be acquired in many ways in MCOC that doesn't mean there's more than enough of it.
2) Cats HAVE been significantly increased in MCOC with the addition of the glory store.
3)You're speaking in absolutes again which is very bad as you have no idea. It only confuses readers.
4) No one is saying anything is some random floating value, no one knows what is intended, or what will change. Kabam hasn't been transparent with us on the topic so please stop talking like everything is as it should be. We simply do not know.
5) I don't understand our fascination with vacuums.
6) The increase in availability of cats and other resources has had an effect on gold. Can we get more gold now? lol
Once again people are throwing out a bunch of word salad about gold not being a problem without stating how much time they put in per day to make their gold not be a problem.
If you hit all the milestones (New 5* Arena excluded) after 1 Month you will have 1.5M battle chips that converts to 3M in gold. It’s not enough to run Map 6 even part time and rank up one 5* Champ. (I don’t run Map 6)
Two 5* Champs cost around 3.2M, if you grind for a month you won’t have enough to rank them, unless you are grinding for more than 5hrs+ per day. If you believe that this is reasonable and sustainable for a critical mass of players, you are wrong. They will go broke, do some grinding realize how many hours they need to become gold stable and then they will quit. Those of us who have gone broke are speaking from actual experience and we know that when a player has 4M in gold and has just started doing 5x5 and is claiming he has plenty of gold, but isn’t doing 3hrs a day in the arena, he will go broke in a matter of months when he starts ranking 5*s and 5/50s
So anything that you post that does not include arena data while telling people to Git In Dat Arena, or claiming that there is no gold issue players are lazy, looking for handouts etc is just you centering yourself in the debate and offers nothing constructive to the debate. It’s not about what feats you are personally capable of, it’s about the critical mass of players and how players in all tiers effect the game. The game is not played in a vacuum. FYI: Crtical Mass does not mean all, or even a majority but the number of players needed to continue the viability of the game.
1) Gold has increased in many areas of the game. AW, solo events, increase in AQ payout.
2) 6s are here but they cost half as much to rank as their 5* CR equivalent.
3) Ever heard the idiom work hard play hard? Thats map 6, if you want to play 6x5 you need to work for it as its meant to be cost prohibitive.
4) Enough with the gold threads, you just posted in one before you started this one.
1) All mostly negligible.
2) What?
3) Hard focus on one point? There are many reason gold needs an update.
4) No.
Can this template be added to forum rule #6? You don't need a background in debate to know that this is how you keep posts/threads constructive, read and address what other members say. It gets tiresome to read threads where some members are making well thought out points to support their statements, but other members ramble on and on about their baseless opinions while ignoring posts that are on topic. Then again that's one of the definitions of being a troll.
To add to the OP's topic, my alliance hasn't had donations for the past month because we stopped running Map 6. Before that I went from having 3-4+ million gold to less than 100K gold after I got my 1st 6*. Those things aren't directly related, I recently got my last 4* champion to 3/30, been trying to rank up my roster to have an easier time ranking top 10% in 5* arena.
Gold is an issue. Even if you don't agree with everything people who say it's an issue say, if you can't see where they're coming from then you're MCOC experience is lacking.
What many people on the Forum with experience of all varying degrees are saying is there are other factors that go into it being an issue. Income, energy spent replenishing it, spending habits, etc. It may be an issue for some, but it is not a widespread issue. People are going for broke and not making full use of the ways to reserve it and claiming the game is broken. As for a troll, someone who disagrees is not a troll. A troll is someone who makes comments to provoke a reaction. You can't assume that's the case because people have a different viewpoint.
I will add that yes people are here to troll in this thread. Yes, they may have a different opinion about this topic, but what they are doing is absolutely not constructive. This isn't me calling you out you only have a differing opinion than me. That's fine.
I am making full use of the ways to obtain gold. I do not believe I should have to open 3000+ T3C class cat frag crystals, and then sell those to get gold. To me this is bad balancing. My opinion again.
I do not believe I should have to open crystals hoping for a dupe champ to sell ISO-8 for gold. I believe this is bad balancing. My opinion again.
I do not believe I should have to sell all these other materials for gold, farm hours in the arena, spend all my energy whenever I have it just to have enough to break even and stay at 2 mil gold. Just my opinion again.
I really hate looking at the donations and seeing 500,000 gold + 83,500 BC for donations. Only because lets be real those are like the same material lol. BC to me is just the raw form of gold, because you have to do arena to keep up.
These are all just opinions of mine. If you feel different that's absolutely fine I don't think that's trolling.
Guys there are some obvious disconnects between arguments here. Not every player is at the same level, not every player needs the same amount of gold and not every player has the same definition of "grinding arena."
For example, a player with no 5 stars in their profile and who considers 1-2 milestones in an arena as "grinding" does not have a concept of the gold sinks that most here are talking about. Just need to keep that in mind and everything makes more sense. And that's perfectly fine, every player is at different levels in the game and those different players need different things in the game.
My definition of arena grinding is different and consists at the very least, getting all milestones in the 4* basic arena. That's only 1.5M points and should keep you afloat with gold if you manage it correctly. As your roster grows you should usually strive for more like 1.5M in 4* basic, 2m+ in 4* feature, and 6m+ in 5* feature. That should net you many 4* and 5* shards as well as gold and battlechips, which is how you quickly progress in the game. If that's too much for you or you're only after gold/battlechips, then do 1.5m in 4* basic and 640k in 3* featured. The 3* feature is very easy to hit milestones especially with 3* boosts which are so commonly available.
If you're going to make assumptions based on a perceived Profile and cop an Ego, you might want to accurately represent what was said. An argument that is as old as it is limited.
1 or 2 Rounds per Recharge in multiple Arenas. If I'm not hitting the last Milestone in the Basic at this stage of the game, it's time to pick up Tetris. I'm a Grinder. Might be best to read more than once before jumping in for the attack.
He didn't attack you. He doesn't sound like he has an ego. He didn't call you out by name. All of his points are valid. People do come here with a lack of knowledge/experience, and post on things at a progression level they have no knowledge/experience/concept of.
You must think this is new.
What's new? People talking about things they have no knowledge of on the forums, or you thinking people are talking about you when they aren't? I don't think it's new. I've been here since before this forum same as you.
Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”
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Also, an issue that isn't a problem for some doesn't mean it isn't a problem in general.
That's powerful stuff.
Seriously, though. I can relate. Love when I roll a Champ. Saves Grinding.
Lol..I like DoolieRay. He always has a good energy about him.
@GroundedWisdom My comment said nothing about disagreeing with others making people trolls. Like @Riegel said disagreeing with others is fine. My comment about what constitutes trolling was aimed at members who consistently ignore what others say when stating their opinions. That, as well as trolling, is not constructive.
I disagree that gold is not a widespread issue because of the % of members who have commented on the gold topic who have said that it is. However, I also disagree that it’s possible to accurately grasp whether gold is an issue based on forum threads/posts alone because that provides skewed data. Listing hypothetical reasons for players of different levels of progression is speculation, not fact.
Sorry if points in my last comment you misunderstood were confusing (troll example, not seeing things from other perspectives). I’m all for sharing and disagreeing with ideas, I learn a lot from hearing what others have to say.
Well that’s your choice to do map 6x5 which I don’t think you are personally, maybe a couple days yeah. But that’s upto your ally to sacrifice the gold from doing it isn’t it?
Gold is available from new uncollected difficulty, so that’s 1000s extra more gold a month.
Yeah you might play the game, but do some arena, that is the way to get gold.
It’s almost like saying there are no T4 basics and then saying you doing do AQ...or saying there are no 5* shards but don’t do wars... well that’s where they are at etc... different areas of the game provide different resources.
If your not ranking up often, how can you need more gold?
But fair enough, everyone has their own opinion.
Your points are incorrect.
1) How much new gold was added with Uncollected EQ? Do you get a significant amount from completion or exploration? If you don't then that's not really an addition of new gold. That energy would have been spent anyway to collect gold in other quests.
2) I do a lot of arena.
3) It's in no way like saying there are no T4B and not doing AQ, or saying there is no 5* shards and not doing AW. Both T4B and 5* shard gains have increased btw, gold has not in a meaningful way.
4) There are more ways than ranking up to spend gold. Also, I've said many times I rank just enough to get the 4th milestone in level up solo event.
5) Yes, we do all have our opinions.
It's not necessarily speculation if you're responding to the comments about spending habits and not wanting/having time to Grind, things of that nature. It contributes to the problem they're having. As for the way the system is designed, that's not hypothetical. I would agree that the Forum is not an accurate representation of the Player Base in its entirety. It happens to be that people come to the Forum to post when they have an issue. Apparently, there is also encouragement from other Social Media to post about it, and that is pretty much petitioning. My view is that it's not a major problem simply because it's meant to be earned at a certain rate, and that rate ties into other Resources and progression. People want to Rank 5*s faster because they're getting more of them. That isn't a viable reason to me, and increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system.
You keep going back to the same argument that it's only about ranking which it's really true. Also, no one is saying what they feel is a good amount of time to grind the arena for "X" amount of reward. This particular thread was not started for any reason other than I feel some change is needed to gold as a resource, I was only influenced to make this thread by my own experience in game.
You said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system."
This is a wonderful argument to increase gold gain. T4B, T1A, T4CC have all increased in a meaningful way while gold has not. When can we get the re-balance on gold?
Those Resources have been increased at different points in different ways, depending on where people are at, simply because they were quite limited. Gold is the one Resource that's readily available from a variety of sources. It just takes time to farm large amounts.
It's hard to follow, you make an argument, and then back track. If "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." we need the re-balance on gold.
Well that's just some nonsense right there. Kabam increased t4cc availablity an didn't rebalance the entire system.
Fact is you don't see a problem because you are not in that point of progression( NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK). That's fine each to their own, but you don't rank 5* past r2, also don't donate to AQ. If this was out in real world terms you are still living in 1950 while the rest of us are in 2018 living on a 1950's income.
Gold should go up with inflation ( 5&6*) just as the amount of shards, cats an frags has
Right. You make pointed comments about my level of progression in the game, and it's not personal. You continually comment on Threads that I'm in, with the express purpose of taking jabs at me, and try to say it's not personal. Your intentions are clearer than your arguments. You are not correct on what I am Ranking. You cannot presume to know what I am spending and what I am not. I have not commented such. All you're trying to do is abase me in some way, and quite frankly it's repetitive at this point. You can continue to try and single me out, but it's adding nothing productive to the conversation.
Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with. Adding too much would potentially create a need. Everything is accounted for.
At this point I'm not sure you even believe what you are saying. I feel like you are just taking the opposing stance just to take the opposing stance. You can't say, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." and then say, "Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with."
They actually did increase the rate you obtain other materials, they actually did not increase the rate at which you obtain gold in any meaningful way.
Seriously keeping calling me out saying am abusing you is way against tos
I'm not sure you in believe in your position anymore. It feels now like you are taking the opposite view just to take it.
You literally said, "increasing one Resource would require rebalancing the entire system." now you are saying, "Not if there wasn't a need to rebalance it to begin with."
Well it's too bad they re-balanced the other materials already yeah? So, they need to re-balance the rate in witch we obtain gold by your first statement yeah?
All we know from Kabam is that we need to "Let the game tune itself"
It's not calling you out. It's stating the facts. I could search Thread after Thread where you hadn't commented at all, and the first comment you made was addressing me with various personal undertones. I'm just not allowing it to provoke me into anything anymore. I'm not taking responsibility for what is not mine to deal with. All the best.
Stay on topic. You can hash this out in private messages.
You're talking about a small increase of the availability of Cats where, for example, it took months and years for some demographics to acquire them. That's not the same as Gold, which is already abundantly throughout the game, and has been increased as well over time. Yes, everything is balanced. Even the Cats that were added were balances among everything else. You're looking for a contradiction without taking the context into account.
1) I'm talking about a significant increase in the ability to gather catalysts, bit a "small increase"
2) Gold may seem like it is abundantly available throughout the game because there are so many things you can sell to acquire it. This does not mean that there is enough of it in game.
3) Gold has not been increased in a significant way for a long time, cats have.
4) You are speaking in absolutes again, you have zero clue if everything is balanced or not.
5) You are making incorrect statements and then saying I'm taking something out of context which isn't true. You only just made a statement proving my point, and are now back tracking it. I'm ok with that just don't say I'm taking it out of context, I'm not.
Ok I just want to point out that everything you said is mumbo jumbo. Not to be mean, but it just is.
1) Yes, gold can be acquired in many ways in MCOC that doesn't mean there's more than enough of it.
2) Cats HAVE been significantly increased in MCOC with the addition of the glory store.
3)You're speaking in absolutes again which is very bad as you have no idea. It only confuses readers.
4) No one is saying anything is some random floating value, no one knows what is intended, or what will change. Kabam hasn't been transparent with us on the topic so please stop talking like everything is as it should be. We simply do not know.
5) I don't understand our fascination with vacuums.
6) The increase in availability of cats and other resources has had an effect on gold. Can we get more gold now? lol
If you hit all the milestones (New 5* Arena excluded) after 1 Month you will have 1.5M battle chips that converts to 3M in gold. It’s not enough to run Map 6 even part time and rank up one 5* Champ. (I don’t run Map 6)
Two 5* Champs cost around 3.2M, if you grind for a month you won’t have enough to rank them, unless you are grinding for more than 5hrs+ per day. If you believe that this is reasonable and sustainable for a critical mass of players, you are wrong. They will go broke, do some grinding realize how many hours they need to become gold stable and then they will quit. Those of us who have gone broke are speaking from actual experience and we know that when a player has 4M in gold and has just started doing 5x5 and is claiming he has plenty of gold, but isn’t doing 3hrs a day in the arena, he will go broke in a matter of months when he starts ranking 5*s and 5/50s
So anything that you post that does not include arena data while telling people to Git In Dat Arena, or claiming that there is no gold issue players are lazy, looking for handouts etc is just you centering yourself in the debate and offers nothing constructive to the debate. It’s not about what feats you are personally capable of, it’s about the critical mass of players and how players in all tiers effect the game. The game is not played in a vacuum. FYI: Crtical Mass does not mean all, or even a majority but the number of players needed to continue the viability of the game.
I will add that yes people are here to troll in this thread. Yes, they may have a different opinion about this topic, but what they are doing is absolutely not constructive. This isn't me calling you out you only have a differing opinion than me. That's fine.
I am making full use of the ways to obtain gold. I do not believe I should have to open 3000+ T3C class cat frag crystals, and then sell those to get gold. To me this is bad balancing. My opinion again.
I do not believe I should have to open crystals hoping for a dupe champ to sell ISO-8 for gold. I believe this is bad balancing. My opinion again.
I do not believe I should have to sell all these other materials for gold, farm hours in the arena, spend all my energy whenever I have it just to have enough to break even and stay at 2 mil gold. Just my opinion again.
I really hate looking at the donations and seeing 500,000 gold + 83,500 BC for donations. Only because lets be real those are like the same material lol. BC to me is just the raw form of gold, because you have to do arena to keep up.
These are all just opinions of mine. If you feel different that's absolutely fine I don't think that's trolling.
What's new? People talking about things they have no knowledge of on the forums, or you thinking people are talking about you when they aren't? I don't think it's new. I've been here since before this forum same as you.
Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”