Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”
I can see Kabams activity in the thread, I can see kabam directing other threads here to discuss the topic. Is there any chance we will get a reply from Kabam that has substance on this topic? I know @Kabam Miike said, "give the game time to tune itself." I'm all for doing that. Can we get a tad bit more info?
I would love to see a simple, "we are looking at it", "we think gold is in a good place"' or " we can't go into detail but be on the lookout for updates coming soon." Anyone of these responses would go a LONG way. Anything that would clue as to how Kabam views this topic would be amazing. Just a smidgen of transparency.
Tell me I'm completely off base, and gold needs a nerf IDC. I just want something, so I can know, and can get off this carousel ride of a discussion.
Great game btw guys, really enjoying it. Hyped for April.
Once again people are throwing out a bunch of word salad about gold not being a problem without stating how much time they put in per day to make their gold not be a problem.
If you hit all the milestones (New 5* Arena excluded) after 1 Month you will have 1.5M battle chips that converts to 3M in gold. It’s not enough to run Map 6 even part time and rank up one 5* Champ. (I don’t run Map 6)
Two 5* Champs cost around 3.2M, if you grind for a month you won’t have enough to rank them, unless you are grinding for more than 5hrs+ per day. If you believe that this is reasonable and sustainable for a critical mass of players, you are wrong. They will go broke, do some grinding realize how many hours they need to become gold stable and then they will quit. Those of us who have gone broke are speaking from actual experience and we know that when a player has 4M in gold and has just started doing 5x5 and is claiming he has plenty of gold, but isn’t doing 3hrs a day in the arena, he will go broke in a matter of months when he starts ranking 5*s and 5/50s
So anything that you post that does not include arena data while telling people to Git In Dat Arena, or claiming that there is no gold issue players are lazy, looking for handouts etc is just you centering yourself in the debate and offers nothing constructive to the debate. It’s not about what feats you are personally capable of, it’s about the critical mass of players and how players in all tiers effect the game. The game is not played in a vacuum. FYI: Crtical Mass does not mean all, or even a majority but the number of players needed to continue the viability of the game.
First off that's a little wrong. I don't grind 3 hours a day very often, usually much less...probably less than half that unless I'm going after a champ. We run at least 5×5 and gold isn't an issue for a majority of the alliance. The only people in our alliance that have gold issues are the most junior members because they are still building their roster. I actually cover one member for his loyalty and I have plenty of gold...over 20 million right now.
As your roster grows you'll get more dupes and more ISO that you can sell. I sold expiring ISO only today for around 400k gold. The point there is in time you'll probably have more than enough gold it just takes a long time and work. Map 6 is a totally different animal though but it only effects a small number of people.
To be fair about map 6 kabam stated they would not give resources back bc they want to discourage alliances from doing map 6. It was not intended to be ran all five days. Some alliances will and can run it all five days but to be at that level you have to grind to get get the resources you need to stay competive. We get gold from almost every part of the game we play so if you do all them the gold will add up in a substantial way
To be fair about map 6 kabam stated they would not give resources back bc they want to discourage alliances from doing map 6. It was not intended to be ran all five days. Some alliances will and can run it all five days but to be at that level you have to grind to get get the resources you need to stay competive. We get gold from almost every part of the game we play so if you do all them the gold will add up in a substantial way
They did, but to be fair they said that when they first released Map 6 over a year ago. New ways to spend gold have cropped since then. No meaningful additions of gold
Once again people are throwing out a bunch of word salad about gold not being a problem without stating how much time they put in per day to make their gold not be a problem.
If you hit all the milestones (New 5* Arena excluded) after 1 Month you will have 1.5M battle chips that converts to 3M in gold. It’s not enough to run Map 6 even part time and rank up one 5* Champ. (I don’t run Map 6)
Two 5* Champs cost around 3.2M, if you grind for a month you won’t have enough to rank them, unless you are grinding for more than 5hrs+ per day. If you believe that this is reasonable and sustainable for a critical mass of players, you are wrong. They will go broke, do some grinding realize how many hours they need to become gold stable and then they will quit. Those of us who have gone broke are speaking from actual experience and we know that when a player has 4M in gold and has just started doing 5x5 and is claiming he has plenty of gold, but isn’t doing 3hrs a day in the arena, he will go broke in a matter of months when he starts ranking 5*s and 5/50s
So anything that you post that does not include arena data while telling people to Git In Dat Arena, or claiming that there is no gold issue players are lazy, looking for handouts etc is just you centering yourself in the debate and offers nothing constructive to the debate. It’s not about what feats you are personally capable of, it’s about the critical mass of players and how players in all tiers effect the game. The game is not played in a vacuum. FYI: Crtical Mass does not mean all, or even a majority but the number of players needed to continue the viability of the game.
First off that's a little wrong. I don't grind 3 hours a day very often, usually much less...probably less than half that unless I'm going after a champ. We run at least 5×5 and gold isn't an issue for a majority of the alliance. The only people in our alliance that have gold issues are the most junior members because they are still building their roster. I actually cover one member for his loyalty and I have plenty of gold...over 20 million right now.
As your roster grows you'll get more dupes and more ISO that you can sell. I sold expiring ISO only today for around 400k gold. The point there is in time you'll probably have more than enough gold it just takes a long time and work. Map 6 is a totally different animal though but it only effects a small number of people.
@DaMunk everything yo7 say there is true. Thing is people look at the now. Eventually you get to the point where everything is a dupe and you are flowing in iso which gets sold most of the time. We did 6x5 and ranked 17. Previously did 6x2 and still ranked top 35 which was no change in rewards. People choose to,do map 6 mostly for the crystals and the small bump in loyalty. If you are top 50 I’m sure you are getting tons of crystals which equals iso then gold. Most of the people I talk to in top 30 alliances only maybe 10% struggle with gold b3cause they do no arena. It seems mostly mid tier is struggling mostly because they are being given shards so quickly compared to a year ago.
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
We should get enough gold by just playing normal griding casually hitting a few milestones doing events quests to keep up with normal game progression. Bottle neck should be catalysts, whatever catalyst game devs decide to be, not gold. Thats the way it has been since game have been released... lately it hasn’t been the case.....
I Don’t even upgrade 3* or 2* anymore. I kinda want to, upgrade 3*s and test them around and have some. But can’t cause of gold problem....
Please fix this situation, community have been asking for it for a long time. Or, if for whatever reason there is no plans to upgrade gold, please say so so we can stop asking for it and adjust our gameplay/roster long term
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
So, KABAM closes all the other gold posts stating that there is already a discussion going on in this post and they don't want to clog up the forums (with relevant issues, imo).
That's fine, but the mods don't have the time to comment on our concerns and ideas in the post they link? WTF is that about KABAM? Just a d_ck move in my humble opinion. Makes it seem like you don't give damn.... Bordering on censorship too.
Countdown to this post getting deleted,.... 3, 2, 1..... KABAM!!
I can see Kabams activity in the thread, I can see kabam directing other threads here to discuss the topic. Is there any chance we will get a reply from Kabam that has substance on this topic? I know @Kabam Miike said, "give the game time to tune itself." I'm all for doing that. Can we get a tad bit more info?
I would love to see a simple, "we are looking at it", "we think gold is in a good place"' or " we can't go into detail but be on the lookout for updates coming soon." Anyone of these responses would go a LONG way. Anything that would clue as to how Kabam views this topic would be amazing. Just a smidgen of transparency.
Tell me I'm completely off base, and gold needs a nerf IDC. I just want something, so I can know, and can get off this carousel ride of a discussion.
Well said and a perfectly reasonable request, but don't get your hopes up. I have a better chance of stopping my hair loss from male pattern baldness than we do of getting an adequate response from KABAM....
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
That's incorrect.
It costs you more to rank up a 5*?
I'm confused. You said it's just as much. That is 100% false.
You are making the issue about you and what you have done personally. You had the benefit of 2 awesome gold realms.
Now we have players that never had the benefit of those gold realms being lectured to by players who were in a position to completely exploit those gold realms and did so.
If you have 20M in gold and a stacked roster and aren’t running map 6, you have the privilege of selling ISO and not opening crystals, only running 1 arena or not doing arena at all. I think I made it abundantly clear that it would take a player hitting the milestones in the arena 7 months to get to where you are today.
So without help the most realistic thing they can do is tread water, and always be teetering on bankruptcy It doesn’t help when experienced players say things like pull yourself up by your bootstraps, handouts, welfare as if they had no help. It looks very hypocritical.
So if a player with a highly developed roster has to spend 2hrs a day in the arena, how much time does someone with a less developed roster have to spend to break even, 3,4,5 hrs a day. Is this sustainable or realistic? What happens when they can’t play the arena for a few days? Now they have to make up that time, but is that realistic.
Let’s not have something like gold lead to players walking away from the game.
You are making the issue about you and what you have done personally. You had the benefit of 2 awesome gold realms.
Now we have players that never had the benefit of those gold realms being lectured to by players who were in a position to completely exploit those gold realms and did so.
If you have 20M in gold and a stacked roster and aren’t running map 6, you have the privilege of selling ISO and not opening crystals, only running 1 arena or not doing arena at all. I think I made it abundantly clear that it would take a player hitting the milestones in the arena 7 months to get to where you are today.
So without help the most realistic thing they can do is tread water, and always be teetering on bankruptcy It doesn’t help when experienced players say things like pull yourself up by your bootstraps, handouts, welfare as if they had no help. It looks very hypocritical.
So if a player with a highly developed roster has to spend 2hrs a day in the arena, how much time does someone with a less developed roster have to spend to break even, 3,4,5 hrs a day. Is this sustainable or realistic? What happens when they can’t play the arena for a few days? Now they have to make up that time, but is that realistic.
Let’s not have something like gold lead to players walking away from the game.
What I'm saying is it takes time. Everyone has the same opportunity to grind the arena. I didn't start with deep roster. Started with a 1* champ like everyone else. Did I want to wait to rank up champs...absolutely not but that's part of it. Why should the game be easier for you than it was for me? I wasn't lucky enough to pull Blade but don't come on here demanding a nerf or asking for a refund for my shards...
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
That's incorrect.
It costs you more to rank up a 5*?
I'm confused. You said it's just as much. That is 100% false.
I worded that wrong. Meant it cost us the same to rank up a champ regardless of what it is.
You are making the issue about you and what you have done personally. You had the benefit of 2 awesome gold realms.
Now we have players that never had the benefit of those gold realms being lectured to by players who were in a position to completely exploit those gold realms and did so.
If you have 20M in gold and a stacked roster and aren’t running map 6, you have the privilege of selling ISO and not opening crystals, only running 1 arena or not doing arena at all. I think I made it abundantly clear that it would take a player hitting the milestones in the arena 7 months to get to where you are today.
So without help the most realistic thing they can do is tread water, and always be teetering on bankruptcy It doesn’t help when experienced players say things like pull yourself up by your bootstraps, handouts, welfare as if they had no help. It looks very hypocritical.
So if a player with a highly developed roster has to spend 2hrs a day in the arena, how much time does someone with a less developed roster have to spend to break even, 3,4,5 hrs a day. Is this sustainable or realistic? What happens when they can’t play the arena for a few days? Now they have to make up that time, but is that realistic.
Let’s not have something like gold lead to players walking away from the game.
What I'm saying is it takes time. Everyone has the same opportunity to grind the arena. I didn't start with deep roster. Started with a 1* champ like everyone else. Did I want to wait to rank up champs...absolutely not but that's part of it. Why should the game be easier for you than it was for me? I wasn't lucky enough to pull Blade but don't come on here demanding a nerf or asking for a refund for my shards...
He's saying it was easier for you, because you he says you were around the for old gold realm. That gave a huge boost to gold.
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
That's incorrect.
It costs you more to rank up a 5*?
I'm confused. You said it's just as much. That is 100% false.
I worded that wrong. Meant it cost us the same to rank up a champ regardless of what it is.
Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”
You're still misrepresenting what I said, I see. Again, check your facts.
I said I found it to be a fair challenge. What I said was if other people find it hard, we shouldn't hate on them. People have a habit of jumping on others for a lack of experience and it's not appropriate. Big difference between a lack of experience and wanting to change the entire system for spending habits.
How is it wrong? If we both r4 a 5* it cost us both the same amount. So outside of map 6 we have similar gold demands for ranking a champ. Outside of AQ and ranking there isn't much else gold is used for.
Gold realms are nice. I understand that but it didn't change anything for me. I didn't even do the last one so can't say I benefited from those. What's different is time and time spent in arena over the past few years. I've got more arena wins than both of you combined. Honestly I understand your frustration but over time everyone will get enough gold unless they're doing map 6 constantly. If they add map 7 it will force more people to do more map 6 and at that point I can see a need to maybe make an adjustment. If you think map 6 is expensive I'd hate to see the cost of map 7.
My question should be how am I able to have a deep roster and plenty of gold when others can't? A few things..I don't run map 6 much right now, I've done more arena than them and I've probably been playing longer. That's sort of been my point the entire time. If you keep at it sooner or later you'll get enough gold. How do I know? Been there.
Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”
You're still misrepresenting what I said, I see. Again, check your facts.
I said I found it to be a fair challenge. What I said was if other people find it hard, we shouldn't hate on them. People have a habit of jumping on others for a lack of experience and it's not appropriate. Big difference between a lack of experience and wanting to change the entire system for spending habits.
What does any of what he said have to do with you? I'm so confused as to why you think people are talking about you.
I do call out your lack of experience because IT IS appropriate. I don't go in to Apple and tell them how to make iPhones, I'm sure they know how to do that better than I.
No one wants to change the entire system of anything, simply saying from my viewpoint gold needs a small buff.
How is it wrong? If we both r4 a 5* it cost us both the same amount. So outside of map 6 we have similar gold demands for ranking a champ. Outside of AQ and ranking there isn't much else gold is used for.
Gold realms are nice. I understand that but it didn't change anything for me. I didn't even do the last one so can't say I benefited from those. What's different is time and time spent in arena over the past few years. I've got more arena wins than both of you combined. Honestly I understand your frustration but over time everyone will get enough gold unless they're doing map 6 constantly. If they add map 7 it will force more people to do more map 6 and at that point I can see a need to maybe make an adjustment. If you think map 6 is expensive I'd hate to see the cost of map 7.
My question should be how am I able to have a deep roster and plenty of gold when others can't? A few things..I don't run map 6 much right now, I've done more arena than them and I've probably been playing longer. That's sort of been my point the entire time. If you keep at it sooner or later you'll get enough gold. How do I know? Been there.
I thought you meant ranking a 5* cost more or less than ranking a 6*. Yes, we both pay the same to rank a champ unless we use differing amount of basic/class iso.
Yes, it seems your answer is don't run map 6 as much.
Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”
You're still misrepresenting what I said, I see. Again, check your facts.
I said I found it to be a fair challenge. What I said was if other people find it hard, we shouldn't hate on them. People have a habit of jumping on others for a lack of experience and it's not appropriate. Big difference between a lack of experience and wanting to change the entire system for spending habits.
What does any of what he said have to do with you? I'm so confused as to why you think people are talking about you.
I do call out your lack of experience because IT IS appropriate. I don't go in to Apple and tell them how to make iPhones, I'm sure they know how to do that better than I.
No one wants to change the entire system of anything, simply saying from my viewpoint gold needs a small buff.
I wasn't arguing your request. I'm talking about the argument that the system is at fault because Gold is a problem for some. It's been brought up enough times now, and people aren't looking at how they're spending it or their lack of desire to do the Arena. You're free to ask for it.
Experience has nothing to do with the conversation and calling people out for it has no place on the Forum, regardless of how you try to apply it to the conversation. There are actually rules that prohibit it.
Community: “We need more 5 star shards!”
- ”No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more 5* shards into the contest*
Community: “We need more T1A’s to level-up our 5*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*Kabam introduces more sources of T1A*
Community: “We need more gold to level-up our 5* and 6*s!”
- “No the game is perfectly balanced the way it is”
*TBD what Kabam will do*
*Kabam releases awesome new challenge content made by the community*
- “THIS IS TOO HARD!!”
You're still misrepresenting what I said, I see. Again, check your facts.
I said I found it to be a fair challenge. What I said was if other people find it hard, we shouldn't hate on them. People have a habit of jumping on others for a lack of experience and it's not appropriate. Big difference between a lack of experience and wanting to change the entire system for spending habits.
What does any of what he said have to do with you? I'm so confused as to why you think people are talking about you.
I do call out your lack of experience because IT IS appropriate. I don't go in to Apple and tell them how to make iPhones, I'm sure they know how to do that better than I.
No one wants to change the entire system of anything, simply saying from my viewpoint gold needs a small buff.
I wasn't arguing your request. I'm talking about the argument that the system is at fault because Gold is a problem for some. It's been brought up enough times now, and people aren't looking at how they're spending it or their lack of desire to do the Arena. You're free to ask for it.
Experience has nothing to do with the conversation and calling people out for it has no place on the Forum, regardless of how you try to apply it to the conversation. There are actually rules that prohibit it.
You know very well who he was referring to.
1) The system is at fault for the reason you said. "If you buff one resource you have to buff the others"
2) You are making an incorrect assumption that I'm not looking at how I spend gold
3) You are making an incorrect assumption that I'm lacking desire to do the arena. I would do it anyway for the 5* shards/units.
4) I am asking.
5) Experience has everything to do with everything. Calling you out for it does have it's place in the forum. If it's against forum TOS then it should be agains forum TOS for someone to try to explain something they have a lack of experience with. I wouldn't want to learn how to play Ghost Rider from someone who's never played it the same way I wouldn't want someone trying to convince others gold is fine because he's never progressed enough to see how much is actually needed to play the game.
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I lol'd. Take an upvote.
I can see Kabams activity in the thread, I can see kabam directing other threads here to discuss the topic. Is there any chance we will get a reply from Kabam that has substance on this topic? I know @Kabam Miike said, "give the game time to tune itself." I'm all for doing that. Can we get a tad bit more info?
I would love to see a simple, "we are looking at it", "we think gold is in a good place"' or " we can't go into detail but be on the lookout for updates coming soon." Anyone of these responses would go a LONG way. Anything that would clue as to how Kabam views this topic would be amazing. Just a smidgen of transparency.
Tell me I'm completely off base, and gold needs a nerf IDC. I just want something, so I can know, and can get off this carousel ride of a discussion.
Great game btw guys, really enjoying it. Hyped for April.
First off that's a little wrong. I don't grind 3 hours a day very often, usually much less...probably less than half that unless I'm going after a champ. We run at least 5×5 and gold isn't an issue for a majority of the alliance. The only people in our alliance that have gold issues are the most junior members because they are still building their roster. I actually cover one member for his loyalty and I have plenty of gold...over 20 million right now.
As your roster grows you'll get more dupes and more ISO that you can sell. I sold expiring ISO only today for around 400k gold. The point there is in time you'll probably have more than enough gold it just takes a long time and work. Map 6 is a totally different animal though but it only effects a small number of people.
They did, but to be fair they said that when they first released Map 6 over a year ago. New ways to spend gold have cropped since then. No meaningful additions of gold
@DaMunk everything yo7 say there is true. Thing is people look at the now. Eventually you get to the point where everything is a dupe and you are flowing in iso which gets sold most of the time. We did 6x5 and ranked 17. Previously did 6x2 and still ranked top 35 which was no change in rewards. People choose to,do map 6 mostly for the crystals and the small bump in loyalty. If you are top 50 I’m sure you are getting tons of crystals which equals iso then gold. Most of the people I talk to in top 30 alliances only maybe 10% struggle with gold b3cause they do no arena. It seems mostly mid tier is struggling mostly because they are being given shards so quickly compared to a year ago.
How many 4* Champs do you have ranked at 5/50, 4/40 and 3/30. How many 5* champs do you have ranked above 2/35.
A player with 60M in gold said he does around 70 rounds per day in one arena at about 20 sec to 30 secs per fight. That’s an 1hr-1 3/4 hr per day in that one arena. He is in the extreme minority of the game most players don’t have his roster.
Mr Arena Grinder himself Brian Grant said it takes him a few hours of play each day to hit all of the milestones. I didn’t make the number up. He has a developed roster so it will take the average player more time.
So as I said hitting all of the milestones will get you 1.5M in battle chips which is around 3M in gold, so if you have 20M in gold it would take a player 7 months of hitting all of the milestones and not ranking anyone up, or donations to get where you are at now. This is of course assuming you didn’t have the assistance of those two gold realms in Dec 2016 and Mar/April 2017. (Gold realms which have not been seen since and ppl are saying not to bring back)
If newer players are not putting in a minimum of 2-3hrs per day in the arena and not ranking anyone up they will run out of gold when they start ranking champs up.
If experienced players are not putting 2-3hrs per day in the arena to break even on rank ups, they will have a net loss in gold and go broke at some point.
In my opinion anyone with less than 7M in gold doesn’t have enough.
My suggestion was to do away with the 2400 gold crystal and replace it with a 5k crystal, this would cut down the amount of time a player needs to play the arena. It’s not the only solution may not even be the best solution, but it would help.
I Don’t even upgrade 3* or 2* anymore. I kinda want to, upgrade 3*s and test them around and have some. But can’t cause of gold problem....
Please fix this situation, community have been asking for it for a long time. Or, if for whatever reason there is no plans to upgrade gold, please say so so we can stop asking for it and adjust our gameplay/roster long term
@Blax4ever I'm not going to count all those up but I've got 32 4* at r5 and 20ish 5* at r3 or higher... let be clear I'm not completely against a slight bump here or ther but people complaining about no gold while not grinding is horse ****. You have to put in the effort. There's a huge entitlement mentality here from some people, not saying you, it gets old. This game is meant to take years to develop your roster. Demanding extra gold without putting in the effort others do devalues their time and effort.
Increasing the need for gold while not increasing the supply of gold is getting old.
Outside of map 6 we have the same gold requirements. Costs me just as much to rank up a 5 or 6*
That's fine, but the mods don't have the time to comment on our concerns and ideas in the post they link? WTF is that about KABAM? Just a d_ck move in my humble opinion. Makes it seem like you don't give damn.... Bordering on censorship too.
Countdown to this post getting deleted,.... 3, 2, 1..... KABAM!!
Well said and a perfectly reasonable request, but don't get your hopes up. I have a better chance of stopping my hair loss from male pattern baldness than we do of getting an adequate response from KABAM....
That's incorrect.
It costs you more to rank up a 5*?
I'm confused. You said it's just as much. That is 100% false.
You are making the issue about you and what you have done personally. You had the benefit of 2 awesome gold realms.
Now we have players that never had the benefit of those gold realms being lectured to by players who were in a position to completely exploit those gold realms and did so.
If you have 20M in gold and a stacked roster and aren’t running map 6, you have the privilege of selling ISO and not opening crystals, only running 1 arena or not doing arena at all. I think I made it abundantly clear that it would take a player hitting the milestones in the arena 7 months to get to where you are today.
So without help the most realistic thing they can do is tread water, and always be teetering on bankruptcy It doesn’t help when experienced players say things like pull yourself up by your bootstraps, handouts, welfare as if they had no help. It looks very hypocritical.
So if a player with a highly developed roster has to spend 2hrs a day in the arena, how much time does someone with a less developed roster have to spend to break even, 3,4,5 hrs a day. Is this sustainable or realistic? What happens when they can’t play the arena for a few days? Now they have to make up that time, but is that realistic.
Let’s not have something like gold lead to players walking away from the game.
What I'm saying is it takes time. Everyone has the same opportunity to grind the arena. I didn't start with deep roster. Started with a 1* champ like everyone else. Did I want to wait to rank up champs...absolutely not but that's part of it. Why should the game be easier for you than it was for me? I wasn't lucky enough to pull Blade but don't come on here demanding a nerf or asking for a refund for my shards...
I worded that wrong. Meant it cost us the same to rank up a champ regardless of what it is.
He's saying it was easier for you, because you he says you were around the for old gold realm. That gave a huge boost to gold.
How is this any more correct?
You're still misrepresenting what I said, I see. Again, check your facts.
I said I found it to be a fair challenge. What I said was if other people find it hard, we shouldn't hate on them. People have a habit of jumping on others for a lack of experience and it's not appropriate. Big difference between a lack of experience and wanting to change the entire system for spending habits.
Gold realms are nice. I understand that but it didn't change anything for me. I didn't even do the last one so can't say I benefited from those. What's different is time and time spent in arena over the past few years. I've got more arena wins than both of you combined. Honestly I understand your frustration but over time everyone will get enough gold unless they're doing map 6 constantly. If they add map 7 it will force more people to do more map 6 and at that point I can see a need to maybe make an adjustment. If you think map 6 is expensive I'd hate to see the cost of map 7.
My question should be how am I able to have a deep roster and plenty of gold when others can't? A few things..I don't run map 6 much right now, I've done more arena than them and I've probably been playing longer. That's sort of been my point the entire time. If you keep at it sooner or later you'll get enough gold. How do I know? Been there.
What does any of what he said have to do with you? I'm so confused as to why you think people are talking about you.
I do call out your lack of experience because IT IS appropriate. I don't go in to Apple and tell them how to make iPhones, I'm sure they know how to do that better than I.
No one wants to change the entire system of anything, simply saying from my viewpoint gold needs a small buff.
I thought you meant ranking a 5* cost more or less than ranking a 6*. Yes, we both pay the same to rank a champ unless we use differing amount of basic/class iso.
Yes, it seems your answer is don't run map 6 as much.
No one is looking for a sprint. There seems to be a misconception that I or the community is trying to get the gold gain double or tripled or more.
This isn't the case. I'm wanting a small buff to sources of gold. 10-25%
I wasn't arguing your request. I'm talking about the argument that the system is at fault because Gold is a problem for some. It's been brought up enough times now, and people aren't looking at how they're spending it or their lack of desire to do the Arena. You're free to ask for it.
Experience has nothing to do with the conversation and calling people out for it has no place on the Forum, regardless of how you try to apply it to the conversation. There are actually rules that prohibit it.
You know very well who he was referring to.
1) The system is at fault for the reason you said. "If you buff one resource you have to buff the others"
2) You are making an incorrect assumption that I'm not looking at how I spend gold
3) You are making an incorrect assumption that I'm lacking desire to do the arena. I would do it anyway for the 5* shards/units.
4) I am asking.
5) Experience has everything to do with everything. Calling you out for it does have it's place in the forum. If it's against forum TOS then it should be agains forum TOS for someone to try to explain something they have a lack of experience with. I wouldn't want to learn how to play Ghost Rider from someone who's never played it the same way I wouldn't want someone trying to convince others gold is fine because he's never progressed enough to see how much is actually needed to play the game.