Do you guys agree with Seatin's Tier lists?
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Do you guys agree with Seatin's Tier lists? 310 votes
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And, he does say it's his individual tier list and isn't a universal one
People tend to get obsessed with only ranking "beyond god tier" champs and don't think about anything else, such as the content they are trying to complete, their current roster capability, prestige, alliance needs, ect.
Secondly, tier lists are a sort of “min-max” way to play the game so to speak. They may determine what champs are most successful in most content, but they don’t take into consideration what one person may need to fill out a roster, or perhaps more importantly, the fun factor.
I personally subscribe to the idea of testing out champs for yourself to determine your own tier list. What’s popular for one may not always be popular with another.
Because not everyone has the resources to test everyone. So a general list to refer to is good to have. If you're a new player, it's good to have a quick guide if you pull a Ghost and a Iron Patriot, which they should focus your resources on.
While you could argue someone should be a bit higher or a bit lower, I there's nothing glaringly off. Plus, he explains his reasoning so you can take that into account if you're using that as a resource guide
What seatin has, is a personal opinion based on his experiences. I would trust his over someone who has just started playing who might base their heroes over what they know of the marvel universe in other platforms.
What a lot of people lose here is there is no cutoff of good/bad. but a tier list is a comparison over who is better than another overall and doesn't take into account specific scenarios. Take she-hulk for example. I would not consider her an overall great champion. but there is content where she is god tier.
Pay close attention to the previous paragraph. Where you are in the game can determine who is god tier. but be prepared to rank someone for content who may not be valuable down the road. I would take a tier list like seatin's when deciding to rank between two champs but not holding for a specific champ.
However, I do end up guilty of saving for certain champs, but based off of personal need.
the other conversation that comes of this, is be prepared for whichever game you want to play. there is competitive and enjoyment. if you rank for enjoyment and want to rank champs you want to play, be prepared to a) not clear content at the same speed and b) get that pointed out to you when you play a competitive game. I am not knocking ranking who you want. but not every champ should be able to do everything. some champs are niche and some content is niche.
1) it used to be called the Offense Tier List (he stopped doing the Defense list)
2) Seatin has a VERY strong offense preference (Tier lists, masteries, champs he uses.)
So if you want to know which champs have a high DPS, look at his list.
He seems to believe that SHORTER fights are the best DEFENSE.
Between block damage, game lags and mistakes, I have to agree.
But what opinions are relevant? I'd argue that Seatin's is. He has experience, achievements and showcases to back his opinions. But the true relevance of his opinion based tier list is that it can function as a guide to lesser experienced players regarding what champions that offer the most value per invested resources. His guide can help people invest resources wisely regarding game progression in general or in specific areas. He provides information regarding how to play a specific champion, where to use it, what specific resources to invest in it and much more. All for other to soak up and thus invest more wisely and hence also progress further in the game. I believe such information is highly valuable.
Regarding the question if his specific opinion matter more than other opinions I'd also answer yes. There is arguably no one with similar experience to Seatin that post information, explanations and showcases as regularly and often as Seatin does. For that reason, he is unique and therefore more valuable.
Also, the idea that you can reduce his opinion to the likes of a random, average player is absurd. Perhaps you haven't seen some of the bisarr personal tier lists posted here on the forums. I really don't understand why the knowledge of an average Joe would be equal to that of a pro? By that logic, the knowledge of a scientist, a professional or whomever a qualified person, is also equal to that of a average Joe.
Instead of trying to convince yourself and others that your opinion is of the same value as that of a pro when it comes to progressive value and not personal preference or taste, make an attempt to try and understand why the pro has said what he or she has said. They probably have a reason and a rationale behind the claim. It is probably just you who doesn't understand it yet, rather than the pro lacking reasons.
Understand that this is about opinions on game-progressive value in champions and not personal preferences in champions, their historical background or their fun play style.
But anyone looking at a tier list should always consider what their account needs first.
You can agree, disagree, or make your own list. But certainly the guy who finished Abyss first, who can clear any content, and who makes entertaining MCOC videos, can make any friggin' list he wants about this game.
I would probably rate Rogue much higher than Wasp for average players. Wasp is a glass cannon with an unconventional play style and much more easily killed than Rogue who has a decently strong heal and some power control, plus strongly mitigates debuffs. And I would rate King Groot much higher than champs like Carnage or Mister Sinister for average players as King Groot's super tankiness would help less skilled players. And unless you're going to leverage synergies and carefully ramp him up I think Hawkeye is going to give better return to average players than Sabertooth. Hawkeye is easy to play and his strong power control in SP1 will get average players through a lot of otherwise dangerous fights.
Even Sparky is not a universally fantastic champion. If you aren't very skilled at building poise his play style can get you killed. I'll bet for every player that drives him well there's about fifty that try to get one more poise charge and get comboed in the face and suddenly drop below 50%, nullifying a lot of his superhigh burst damage. If you're that guy, and you don't have the time or inclination to practice, then Angela is going to be a much better performer for you.
Again, not knocking Seatin or his champion rankings, it simply isn't possible to make one set of rankings that are applicable to all the players of the game. Seatin's list presumes in part that you can and will become skilled enough to unlock the full potential of the champions, or at least as much potential as he sees in them. That might ultimately be less than 10% of all players of the game.
Also, more offense is a kind of useful defense when it comes to champions used on attack, but more offense in general does not automatically make a good defender placed on defense. Defense as an attacker is not the same thing as being a better defender.