6.2.6 Champion Boss

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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    edited June 2020


    The realistic answer is that not every champ can solo the champion fight. Theoretically, any champ could solo him, but too many factors come into consideration. Just saying it's not a 0% chance anyone can solo.

    It already has been soloed, so your "No" answer is irrelevant.
    Exactly. Not a 0% chance, which means he is technically solo-able. Thank you for your answer, although a simple "yes" would've sufficed.
  • AzKicker316AzKicker316 Member Posts: 2,514 ★★★★★

    Exactly. Not a 0% chance, which means he is technically solo-able. Thank you for your answer, although a simple "yes" would've sufficed.
    Just to be clear, he is 100% solo-able, but only theoretically solo-able by every champ.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    Just to be clear, he is 100% solo-able, but only theoretically solo-able by every champ.
    Yup, that was my point.
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  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,215 ★★★★★

    That's what I meant by "I understand that. I was just correcting the individual I quoted. He/she said that "the fight can be done with literally anyone". That, although true, also holds true to the Champion. If they wanted to say that the GM could be defeated more easily, and with more "counters" than the Champion, realistically speaking, then he/she should have said that, instead of making a vague, and false, statement."

    I agree that the Champion has less counters than the GM fight.

    My whole "the Champion can be solo'd with anyone" shtick was just to correct someone that commented before me. Do I believe that the Champion is harder than the GM? Yes. Do I think it should be toned down? Yes. But, you can't say that it's impossible to solo the Champion fight with "literally anyone". It's possible.

    I'm not saying that the Champion fight is easy. Far from that. It was simply a remark towards another individual, who's statement was false.

    Context.
    How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?

    Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    How can the champion fight have less counters but both him and GM can be soloed by ANYONE?

    Read your own post thoroughly before replying. It would help only you out. Thanks bye.
    Counters only make the fight easier. It's not impossible to complete a fight without counters. For example, Daredevil isn't a counter to Mr.Sinister, but he can still KO Sinister. So just because you solo a Sinister, does that mean that Daredevil is now a Sinister counter?

    Your logic doesn't add up, sweetie.

    Try again next time.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    No, the champion boss is impossible to solo with every champ.

    Sorry, I thought I made that point clear.

    With any given 6* r1 straight out the dumpster champ the combination of too low dps, too short and too infrequent attack windows and the sheer amount of perfect dexes with your back against the wall would make this as impossible as it gets for a human player.

    The regen alone could already make this impossible. A player being able to out-dps that would rely too heavily on ai behavior. And considering their attack windows will only be for about 8 seconds, well...

    So that's a no from me on that one. Doesn't keep anyone from trying, though.
    I get what you're saying, trust me. I'm just stating that the chance of any champion soloing the Champion isn't 0%, which means it is possible. Is it possible for a human? Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly is possible. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it's impossible for a human player. It might be. What I'm saying is that it's not completely impossible. Maybe for humans, or maybe for a robot.

    I feel like we're arguing about two different things here.

    Respectfully yours (actually).
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,215 ★★★★★

    Counters only make the fight easier. It's not impossible to complete a fight without counters. For example, Daredevil isn't a counter to Mr.Sinister, but he can still KO Sinister. So just because you solo a Sinister, does that mean that Daredevil is now a Sinister counter?

    Your logic doesn't add up, sweetie.

    Try again next time.
    If you can SOLO a fight whatever champion you used is automatically a counter. You can’t make a fight much easier than a SOLO. If I SOLOed Sinister with Daredevil then he absolutely would be a counter.

    You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.

    Thanks for your time bud. Please come again.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    If you can SOLO a fight whatever champion you used is automatically a counter. You can’t make a fight much easier than a SOLO. If I SOLOed Sinister with Daredevil then he absolutely would be a counter.

    You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.

    Thanks for your time bud. Please come again.
    That is completely false. I could solo an Ebony Maw with Ghost, but she is far from a counter. A counter is a good matchup in which your actions oppose and render the opponent's actions useless. An example of this would be CAIW, who is a counter for Juggernaut. Does that mean that Juggernaut is a counter for CAIW just because I can solo him with Juggs? No.

    Sorry, but you're wrong again, honey.

    Hugs and kisses.
  • WorknprogressWorknprogress Member Posts: 7,233 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    If you can SOLO a fight whatever champion you used is automatically a counter. You can’t make a fight much easier than a SOLO. If I SOLOed Sinister with Daredevil then he absolutely would be a counter.

    You must not understand what SOLOing a fight means, but that doesn’t really surprise me.

    Thanks for your time bud. Please come again.
    Um no.

    A counter means a champ had an ability that directly effects an ability or node in a fight. Playing around masochism with Kamala by just intercepting doesn't make Kamala a masochism counter. You just played around the node with a skill.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,215 ★★★★★
    Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.

    No. Just no.

    Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"

    Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,215 ★★★★★

    No. Just no.

    Counter: "a statement or action made to refute, oppose, or nullify another statement or action"

    Kamala's abilities do not directly oppose those of the Masochism node. Therefore, she is not a counter. However, Archangel's ability accuracy reduction and heal block do oppose the abilities of the Masochism node. Therefore, he is a counter.
    Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.

    If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    Now you’re discussing BEST counters. Daredevil wouldn’t be the BEST counter to fight Sinister with and Kamala may not be the BEST counter to masochism (although your reference was kind of out there...) but if I solo a fight with someone then they are a counter to that fight. Just might not be the BEST counter to that fight.

    Now, talking about "best" counters. To define "best", I'm going to use "of the most excellent, effective, or desirable type or quality", keyword "effective".

    Now back to Masochism. Masochism has two parts: the debuff removal, and the healing. For example, Hulkbuster can place a Heal Block on his opponents. That makes him a counter, or partial counter. However, he cannot prevent the debuff removal.

    Archangel can prevent both the debuff removal and block the healing that results from Masochism. This makes him an effective counter. He can be considered as one of the "best" Masochism counters.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    Daredevil can oppose sinister and solo him. So by your definition he is a counter.

    If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?
    His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?

    "If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"

    What does backing out have to do with anything?

    Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,215 ★★★★★

    His abilities do not oppose Sinister, though. What part about him can oppose Sinister?

    "If I had a one champ roster with Juggs and that’s it and I was about to fight CAIW, do I have a counter to that fight that can defeat CAIW? Or should I back out because it can’t be done?"

    What does backing out have to do with anything?

    Just because you can beat someone with a champion does not mean that champion is a counter.
    I didn’t say Daredevils abilities made Sinisters abilities useless. Daredevil himself can oppose Sinister and defeat him in one shot. He is a counter to the fight. Not the best counter or most effective counter. If he was your only option you would have a counter that can defeat Sinister.

    I swear it’s like talking to a wall.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,215 ★★★★★
    However, you of course switched the main topic of argument which was about SOLOing a fight.

    If I can SOLO a fight with no other champ or item helping me on my road to victory, then whatever champ I used is a counter to that fight.

    Thank you.
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    edited June 2020

    Seriously...? Now you say a human can maybe do it maybe not, but definitely maybe? And maybe a robot?

    Dude. Freaking look at what you type.

    Here's some info material you definitely need:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
    When have I ever said it was possible for a human to do it?

    Quote me. Do it. Find it and I'll apologize.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    OGAvenger said:

    However, you of course switched the main topic of argument which was about SOLOing a fight.

    If I can SOLO a fight with no other champ or item helping me on my road to victory, then whatever champ I used is a counter to that fight.

    Thank you.

    So that makes every single character in the game a counter to every other character? Yeah, that's not how counters work, sweetie.
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    Context...? Are you for real? This thread is about player vs the 6.2. champion boss.
    Why do you keep going back to the "player"? I bet you didn't even read my first comment and the context surrounding that argument. All I said was that it is theoretically possible to solo the Champion with any champion. Is it realistic? Hell no. Not in the slightest.

    I'm just going to stop you there. I'll admit I didn't even read your whole comment. It's just that you really don't seem to get the point I made. You don't even know why I made the point I made.

    Adios.
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  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★

    Lmao you are such a dishonest person.
    You got me, Bianca, you got me. :wink:
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  • Monk1Monk1 Member Posts: 763 ★★★★
    Just for info anyone struggling with no retreat node up...

    I used r5 aegon for whole path .. start fight with 550 combo.. waste a champ to get 1% health off then go with aegon, straight to heavy and go full hammer.. 2 revives and he is at 10%... enter fight with full health capiw and easy fight
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Member Posts: 2,817 ★★★★★
    edited June 2020

    The worst thing is that you most likely still can't admit you're wrong, not even to yourself, because you're probably still shifting around your actual point to somehow as weird and as far fetched as it might be make it fall in line with reality.

    We can make this really simple.

    The skill requirement completely aside, again, fully rollinf with your ai idea, without the ability to counter either the regen or the unstoppable directly a champ would need to outdamage the regen in the available attack windows.

    That means any given champ would need to do at least have enough dps to outdamage an exponentially increasing regen of 5% missing health per second over 3 seconds.

    You might still resort to your sassy equivalent of name calling, but that doesn't change how wrong you are.

    But hey we'll always have the goalpost, right?
    Okay. I'm wrong. Thank you for educating me.

    Have an excellent day. :smiley:

    PS: I didn't mean to offend you by calling you Bianca. It was purely just a reference. I'm sorry if it did, in fact, offend you in any way.
  • TheTalentsTheTalents Member Posts: 2,257 ★★★★★

    I just ran through that fight the other day after not having even looked at it for at least 6 months. Almost solod him with sym and then cleaned up with cap 1st try. Finished with like 85% health after messing up and eating a sp1 headbutt. I wouldn't say tons and tons of practice at all
    It takes the least amount of skill to do the last 10% with CapIW thats nothing to brag about. Seatin beat him with CapIW the day 6.2.6 came out with no practice.
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