You moaned that there's no transparency and kicked off so Kabam did a lengthy road map to show off what they're working with. It was also stated to be subject to change.
They have delivered a considerable amount this summer and one thing. ONE. That they are considering delaying and you're throwing up.
my air conditioner went out and it is 110 degrees out.....Summer of pain is already here! and just trying playing good when your fingers are sweaty......
We haven't made an official announcement, because we haven't made a decision yet, but it may be delayed. There's a lot of content coming out right now (Summer Smackdowns, Back issue 5, Cav difficulty), and it might not make sense for it to happen right now. It also comes down to team capacity. I will confirm as soon as I can.
Posting this from the roadmap.
You guys gave the roadmap yourselves, nobody forced anybody. Too much content is such a ridiculous excuse to not release content just my opinion. I know no decision is made yet but this really feels like it will be delayed which is massively disappointing for me...
So... 1 monthly event, A new side quest and 2 new characters every MONTH is not enough for you? Plus 4 new boss rushs and a showdown is not enough for you?
Monthly event takes like 2 days, side quest takes like 5 min and I really don't care about characters not really the point here lol. Also boss rushes are like 5-10 min quests for me too easy... Like i said I probably expect too much.
Dude, surely you haven't forgotten there's humans working on making this game?! The amount of content this month is huge, and it takes a lot to keep managing it. You did expect too much, and it was all your fault to begin with, nobody forced you to make unreasonable expectations.
We haven't made an official announcement, because we haven't made a decision yet, but it may be delayed. There's a lot of content coming out right now (Summer Smackdowns, Back issue 5, Cav difficulty), and it might not make sense for it to happen right now. It also comes down to team capacity. I will confirm as soon as I can.
Posting this from the roadmap.
You guys gave the roadmap yourselves, nobody forced anybody. Too much content is such a ridiculous excuse to not release content just my opinion. I know no decision is made yet but this really feels like it will be delayed which is massively disappointing for me...
So you'd rather have a content flood, followed by a content drought of nothing, than having content spread out a little more? Seems legit.
Makes sense that contents shouldn't be released in a bulk. But... it is Kabam who gave out the roadmap, so it is their fault this time.
And they also said that its subject to change. So it's not their fault this time.
We haven't made an official announcement, because we haven't made a decision yet, but it may be delayed. There's a lot of content coming out right now (Summer Smackdowns, Back issue 5, Cav difficulty), and it might not make sense for it to happen right now. It also comes down to team capacity. I will confirm as soon as I can.
Posting this from the roadmap.
You guys gave the roadmap yourselves, nobody forced anybody. Too much content is such a ridiculous excuse to not release content just my opinion. I know no decision is made yet but this really feels like it will be delayed which is massively disappointing for me...
So you'd rather have a content flood, followed by a content drought of nothing, than having content spread out a little more? Seems legit.
Makes sense that contents shouldn't be released in a bulk. But... it is Kabam who gave out the roadmap, so it is their fault this time.
And they also said that its subject to change. So it's not their fault this time.
I'm new to the game; but is it the norm for players/customers in this game (assuming that these accounts defending 'Kabam's honor' are actual players) to defend a company so wholeheartedly? I can attest from experience that when you stop holding people accountable, things go down-hill quickly.
I would hope that those of you defending Kabam are doing so as you may personally benefit from "spreading out the content", rather than because you are all, excuse the terminology, "boot-lickers". When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on.
When techs, engineers, game designers, moderators or employees in general are not held accountable or worse yet have customers defending everything they do, accountability goes out the window- then everyone is wondering why a critical in game bug that negatively effects players doesn't get patched for months or are up in arms when a character or aspect of the game is changed as it wasn't in the companies best monetary interests. When that happens, you can blame the guys above. But keep puckering those lips!
What's worse is the moderators tone in his response. Like WTH is that about?
"Nothing is ever set in stone, and we were not shy about making that clear many times in the past. Delays will happen."
Really? Lmao. This is normal / okay? He sounds like a blast! I guess it just takes time to drink the kool-aid and get on the same page as some of you. (Enjoy the dislike button.)
We haven't made an official announcement, because we haven't made a decision yet, but it may be delayed. There's a lot of content coming out right now (Summer Smackdowns, Back issue 5, Cav difficulty), and it might not make sense for it to happen right now. It also comes down to team capacity. I will confirm as soon as I can.
Posting this from the roadmap.
You guys gave the roadmap yourselves, nobody forced anybody. Too much content is such a ridiculous excuse to not release content just my opinion. I know no decision is made yet but this really feels like it will be delayed which is massively disappointing for me...
So you'd rather have a content flood, followed by a content drought of nothing, than having content spread out a little more? Seems legit.
Makes sense that contents shouldn't be released in a bulk. But... it is Kabam who gave out the roadmap, so it is their fault this time.
And they also said that its subject to change. So it's not their fault this time.
I'm new to the game; but is it the norm for players/customers in this game (assuming that these accounts defending 'Kabam's honor' are actual players) to defend a company so wholeheartedly? I can attest from experience that when you stop holding people accountable, things go down-hill quickly.
I would hope that those of you defending Kabam are doing so as you may personally benefit from "spreading out the content", rather than because you are all, excuse the terminology, "boot-lickers". When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on.
When techs, engineers, game designers, moderators or employees in general are not held accountable or worse yet have customers defending everything they do, accountability goes out the window- then everyone is wondering why a critical in game bug that negatively effects players doesn't get patched for months or are up in arms when a character or aspect of the game is changed as it wasn't in the companies best monetary interests. When that happens, you can blame the guys above. But keep puckering those lips!
What's worse is the moderators tone in his response. Like WTH is that about?
"Nothing is ever set in stone, and we were not shy about making that clear many times in the past. Delays will happen."
Really? Lmao. This is normal / okay? He sounds like a blast! I guess it just takes time to drink the kool-aid and get on the same page as some of you. (Enjoy the dislike button.)
Okay let's break this down.
Firstly, defending Kabam is only done when justified. Unfortunately a lot of people will complain about every single little aspect that doesn't go exactly to plan. Imagine if someone was on your back every time you did something even slightly wrong? It would be tiresome. Now imagine that was in a public setting with hundreds of people seeing that a small subset of people were bashing you for everything single thing you did "wrong" whether it was your fault or not. Would you still feel the same way about accountability? Or would you imagine some people saying to the smaller group "Hey not every single thing is at fault here?". Accountability should be held when there's a major issue, when things aren't working properly for a large portion of the player base. Getting angry or upset because one event is being delayed due to the multiple other things that are being worked on, fixed, or addressed, is really petty. If they were cancelling the whole event because there was too much work, then we could hold them accountable for announcing something then removing it completely. There's a line.
Your second paragraph is quite a mess of statements mashed together so let's work through this one slowly. First, spreading out content isn't a bad thing. This month alone we have EQ, Side Quest, Boss Rush, and now Summoner Showdown, and even the Legends Appreciation week. That's more events and quests given to us than almost any other month that I can think of in nearly 5 years. But what happens if you pile in more events now, and have so little during the next couple of months? People will inevitably complain that there's nothing to do. Hell, even what we have now I'm sure there will be people next month who will be bored because there isn't as much to do, or rewards to earn, as it is. Spreading out content to have more to do throughout is better for the game overall. I'll use World of Warcraft as an example, during the last patch of the last few expansions until the release of the next expansion would take months, even up to a year, before any new content would drop, their subscription numbers plummeted and people didn't come back. That has nothing to do with being a "Boot licker" as you so wrongly used the term, that's about wanting to play the game without getting bored by the lack of content, especially for the end gamers who this event is aimed at, as they have the least amount of content to do on a monthly basis as it stands. As for the dislike bashing, that goes on both sides of the fence. People are pig headed and stubborn. If this isn't a community you want to be a part of, that is down to your own personal preferences, and nothing is keeping you here if you don't want to be. Same with your spending habits, although if you're basing that off the community not being to your liking, rather than your enjoyment of the game, I feel like your priorities are mislaid.
Accountability again, we went through that already. Let's address the bug issue though. Some bugs take longer to fix, that's games development. I've been working in the games industry for nearly 10 years and that's just how it is. But there's also Accountability on the users parts too. Imagine having to sift through the hundred and hundreds of topics that users are complaining about being bugs, then having to actually test them to see if they are bugs or if it's working as intended. With so many users complaining about minor aspects of the game it takes focus away from larger issues. Time and resources in squashing the minor issues. Kabam isn't a AAA games developer. They don't have the MASSIVE, and I mean massive, teams that I've worked with in some of the companies that I've worked for. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the games I've worked on had more testers than Kabam has employees in their entire company. Many of us "Kabam defenders" have also called out some of their monetary practices especially when it comes to using better services for the overall benefit of each user, but that gets buried by the feedback of nonsense of people complaining about very inconsequential game issues, which most of the time isn't even a fault with the game itself.
As for Miike. I don't always see eye to eye with him, but honestly after having to deal with ungrateful users as often as he does, I think it's justified for him to snap back a little. These guys are providing a service which is enjoyed by a lot of people for free, and in return they get VERY little gratitude back for the work they do to provide that free entertainment to those free to play players.
Nothing in a live service game is set in stone, everything is subject to change before and during release. If it weren't, then the multitude of game breaking issues for players would have been left in for all to suffer with. Content is never finalised for a user until it reaches our game clients, and Kabam are well within their rights to adjust time frames to better suit their schedules of work flow and release. Behind the scenes they have a lot more work going on than the content that we have been told is coming, and while even I criticised that their roadmaps are just roadmaps of roadmaps with no definitive dates for anything, I'd rather have an estimated time that gets delayed, than being told that something is releasing on an exact date only for it to be delayed at the last second.
Anyway, I'm tired. This took too long to write up and I'm not going to respond to anyone replying to it, because frankly I can't be bothered. I look forward to all the dislikes from the salty folks who can't take a little bit of home truth.
We haven't made an official announcement, because we haven't made a decision yet, but it may be delayed. There's a lot of content coming out right now (Summer Smackdowns, Back issue 5, Cav difficulty), and it might not make sense for it to happen right now. It also comes down to team capacity. I will confirm as soon as I can.
Posting this from the roadmap.
You guys gave the roadmap yourselves, nobody forced anybody. Too much content is such a ridiculous excuse to not release content just my opinion. I know no decision is made yet but this really feels like it will be delayed which is massively disappointing for me...
So you'd rather have a content flood, followed by a content drought of nothing, than having content spread out a little more? Seems legit.
Makes sense that contents shouldn't be released in a bulk. But... it is Kabam who gave out the roadmap, so it is their fault this time.
And they also said that its subject to change. So it's not their fault this time.
I'm new to the game; but is it the norm for players/customers in this game (assuming that these accounts defending 'Kabam's honor' are actual players) to defend a company so wholeheartedly? I can attest from experience that when you stop holding people accountable, things go down-hill quickly.
I would hope that those of you defending Kabam are doing so as you may personally benefit from "spreading out the content", rather than because you are all, excuse the terminology, "boot-lickers". When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on.
When techs, engineers, game designers, moderators or employees in general are not held accountable or worse yet have customers defending everything they do, accountability goes out the window- then everyone is wondering why a critical in game bug that negatively effects players doesn't get patched for months or are up in arms when a character or aspect of the game is changed as it wasn't in the companies best monetary interests. When that happens, you can blame the guys above. But keep puckering those lips!
What's worse is the moderators tone in his response. Like WTH is that about?
"Nothing is ever set in stone, and we were not shy about making that clear many times in the past. Delays will happen."
Really? Lmao. This is normal / okay? He sounds like a blast! I guess it just takes time to drink the kool-aid and get on the same page as some of you. (Enjoy the dislike button.)
We're not not holding them accountable, we're just being understanding. It's like if you ask a teacher for an extension because you have tests coming up/too much work, and the teacher agrees. The teacher isn't not holding the student accountable. The student still has to do the work, but the teacher is understanding.
What you're saying is that mistakes can never be made. That's just toxic. Bashing Kabam for biting off more than they could chew in this situation is frankly a perfect example of the fundamental attribution error. You fail to see the situation Kabam is in, and rather focus on disposition when talking about Kabam's behavior.
Another example of the fundamental attribution error present in your argument is the idea you present that all the people "excusing" Kabam are "bootlickers" or "suckups". Again, you're focusing more on disposition rather than the situation. Kabam has put out tons of content these two months, from the Smackdown, Showdown, V5, and now the Legends celebration. We understand if creating a whole other piece of content would be taxing. It doesn't mean that Kabam has made a mistake. They certainly have. But, we know how hard they've worked, and we're more than willing to give them some time.
"When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on." So people can't have opinions?
No one's erasing accountability. We are still holding Kabam accountable for their understandable slip-up, but we're just more lenient about when they're going to take accountability and release the content they promised. There's no harm in that.
As for Miike's response, it was pretty professional. No sarcasm, no insults. You're upset by his tone, but you also fail to recognize why he would take on that tone. It seems like you fail to see all aspects of the situation.
Summer of Pain or any other content being delayed so that they don't have to deal with bugs is totally fine. I just wish they did something about the compensation revives and item cap. There literally is no use for compensation items if they're going to expire before you need to use them. I used them on V5 and still have content to do, but for those folks who have already done 100% of everything and are just waiting for Summer of Pain to use, it definitely sucks. There should be an increase in item cap or atleast such revives shouldn't expire. Compensation is kinda useless in that way. But again, if they take time and release content without bugs, kudos to them.
We haven't made an official announcement, because we haven't made a decision yet, but it may be delayed. There's a lot of content coming out right now (Summer Smackdowns, Back issue 5, Cav difficulty), and it might not make sense for it to happen right now. It also comes down to team capacity. I will confirm as soon as I can.
Posting this from the roadmap.
You guys gave the roadmap yourselves, nobody forced anybody. Too much content is such a ridiculous excuse to not release content just my opinion. I know no decision is made yet but this really feels like it will be delayed which is massively disappointing for me...
So you'd rather have a content flood, followed by a content drought of nothing, than having content spread out a little more? Seems legit.
Makes sense that contents shouldn't be released in a bulk. But... it is Kabam who gave out the roadmap, so it is their fault this time.
And they also said that its subject to change. So it's not their fault this time.
I'm new to the game; but is it the norm for players/customers in this game (assuming that these accounts defending 'Kabam's honor' are actual players) to defend a company so wholeheartedly? I can attest from experience that when you stop holding people accountable, things go down-hill quickly.
I would hope that those of you defending Kabam are doing so as you may personally benefit from "spreading out the content", rather than because you are all, excuse the terminology, "boot-lickers". When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on.
When techs, engineers, game designers, moderators or employees in general are not held accountable or worse yet have customers defending everything they do, accountability goes out the window- then everyone is wondering why a critical in game bug that negatively effects players doesn't get patched for months or are up in arms when a character or aspect of the game is changed as it wasn't in the companies best monetary interests. When that happens, you can blame the guys above. But keep puckering those lips!
What's worse is the moderators tone in his response. Like WTH is that about?
"Nothing is ever set in stone, and we were not shy about making that clear many times in the past. Delays will happen."
Really? Lmao. This is normal / okay? He sounds like a blast! I guess it just takes time to drink the kool-aid and get on the same page as some of you. (Enjoy the dislike button.)
Wait, I don't get this.
I'm a boot licker for pointing out that they said the dates for stuff in roadmap was subject to change?
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You moaned that there's no transparency and kicked off so Kabam did a lengthy road map to show off what they're working with. It was also stated to be subject to change.
They have delivered a considerable amount this summer and one thing. ONE. That they are considering delaying and you're throwing up.
Calm down.
and just trying playing good when your fingers are sweaty......
I would hope that those of you defending Kabam are doing so as you may personally benefit from "spreading out the content", rather than because you are all, excuse the terminology, "boot-lickers". When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on.
When techs, engineers, game designers, moderators or employees in general are not held accountable or worse yet have customers defending everything they do, accountability goes out the window- then everyone is wondering why a critical in game bug that negatively effects players doesn't get patched for months or are up in arms when a character or aspect of the game is changed as it wasn't in the companies best monetary interests. When that happens, you can blame the guys above. But keep puckering those lips!
What's worse is the moderators tone in his response. Like WTH is that about?
"Nothing is ever set in stone, and we were not shy about making that clear many times in the past. Delays will happen."
Really? Lmao. This is normal / okay? He sounds like a blast! I guess it just takes time to drink the kool-aid and get on the same page as some of you. (Enjoy the dislike button.)
Firstly, defending Kabam is only done when justified. Unfortunately a lot of people will complain about every single little aspect that doesn't go exactly to plan. Imagine if someone was on your back every time you did something even slightly wrong? It would be tiresome. Now imagine that was in a public setting with hundreds of people seeing that a small subset of people were bashing you for everything single thing you did "wrong" whether it was your fault or not. Would you still feel the same way about accountability? Or would you imagine some people saying to the smaller group "Hey not every single thing is at fault here?". Accountability should be held when there's a major issue, when things aren't working properly for a large portion of the player base. Getting angry or upset because one event is being delayed due to the multiple other things that are being worked on, fixed, or addressed, is really petty. If they were cancelling the whole event because there was too much work, then we could hold them accountable for announcing something then removing it completely. There's a line.
Your second paragraph is quite a mess of statements mashed together so let's work through this one slowly. First, spreading out content isn't a bad thing. This month alone we have EQ, Side Quest, Boss Rush, and now Summoner Showdown, and even the Legends Appreciation week. That's more events and quests given to us than almost any other month that I can think of in nearly 5 years. But what happens if you pile in more events now, and have so little during the next couple of months? People will inevitably complain that there's nothing to do. Hell, even what we have now I'm sure there will be people next month who will be bored because there isn't as much to do, or rewards to earn, as it is. Spreading out content to have more to do throughout is better for the game overall. I'll use World of Warcraft as an example, during the last patch of the last few expansions until the release of the next expansion would take months, even up to a year, before any new content would drop, their subscription numbers plummeted and people didn't come back. That has nothing to do with being a "Boot licker" as you so wrongly used the term, that's about wanting to play the game without getting bored by the lack of content, especially for the end gamers who this event is aimed at, as they have the least amount of content to do on a monthly basis as it stands. As for the dislike bashing, that goes on both sides of the fence. People are pig headed and stubborn. If this isn't a community you want to be a part of, that is down to your own personal preferences, and nothing is keeping you here if you don't want to be. Same with your spending habits, although if you're basing that off the community not being to your liking, rather than your enjoyment of the game, I feel like your priorities are mislaid.
Accountability again, we went through that already. Let's address the bug issue though. Some bugs take longer to fix, that's games development. I've been working in the games industry for nearly 10 years and that's just how it is. But there's also Accountability on the users parts too. Imagine having to sift through the hundred and hundreds of topics that users are complaining about being bugs, then having to actually test them to see if they are bugs or if it's working as intended. With so many users complaining about minor aspects of the game it takes focus away from larger issues. Time and resources in squashing the minor issues. Kabam isn't a AAA games developer. They don't have the MASSIVE, and I mean massive, teams that I've worked with in some of the companies that I've worked for. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the games I've worked on had more testers than Kabam has employees in their entire company. Many of us "Kabam defenders" have also called out some of their monetary practices especially when it comes to using better services for the overall benefit of each user, but that gets buried by the feedback of nonsense of people complaining about very inconsequential game issues, which most of the time isn't even a fault with the game itself.
As for Miike. I don't always see eye to eye with him, but honestly after having to deal with ungrateful users as often as he does, I think it's justified for him to snap back a little. These guys are providing a service which is enjoyed by a lot of people for free, and in return they get VERY little gratitude back for the work they do to provide that free entertainment to those free to play players.
Nothing in a live service game is set in stone, everything is subject to change before and during release. If it weren't, then the multitude of game breaking issues for players would have been left in for all to suffer with. Content is never finalised for a user until it reaches our game clients, and Kabam are well within their rights to adjust time frames to better suit their schedules of work flow and release. Behind the scenes they have a lot more work going on than the content that we have been told is coming, and while even I criticised that their roadmaps are just roadmaps of roadmaps with no definitive dates for anything, I'd rather have an estimated time that gets delayed, than being told that something is releasing on an exact date only for it to be delayed at the last second.
Anyway, I'm tired. This took too long to write up and I'm not going to respond to anyone replying to it, because frankly I can't be bothered. I look forward to all the dislikes from the salty folks who can't take a little bit of home truth.
What you're saying is that mistakes can never be made. That's just toxic. Bashing Kabam for biting off more than they could chew in this situation is frankly a perfect example of the fundamental attribution error. You fail to see the situation Kabam is in, and rather focus on disposition when talking about Kabam's behavior.
Another example of the fundamental attribution error present in your argument is the idea you present that all the people "excusing" Kabam are "bootlickers" or "suckups". Again, you're focusing more on disposition rather than the situation. Kabam has put out tons of content these two months, from the Smackdown, Showdown, V5, and now the Legends celebration. We understand if creating a whole other piece of content would be taxing. It doesn't mean that Kabam has made a mistake. They certainly have. But, we know how hard they've worked, and we're more than willing to give them some time.
"When you have this many people on a game forum smashing that dislike button for a player bringing up a sincerely fair question, I question if this is a community/game I would want to be a part of, or more importantly, spend money on."
So people can't have opinions?
No one's erasing accountability. We are still holding Kabam accountable for their understandable slip-up, but we're just more lenient about when they're going to take accountability and release the content they promised. There's no harm in that.
As for Miike's response, it was pretty professional. No sarcasm, no insults. You're upset by his tone, but you also fail to recognize why he would take on that tone. It seems like you fail to see all aspects of the situation.
The ignorance. Astronomical.
But again, if they take time and release content without bugs, kudos to them.
I'm a boot licker for pointing out that they said the dates for stuff in roadmap was subject to change?
Welp, stonks!
It's September 23rd and summer is officially over. Truly a painful wait for nothing.