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  • N1nthcloudN1nthcloud Member Posts: 343 ★★★

    kmac_qtp said:

    Gardener said:

    The only reason why people are hating the offers is because theyre comparing them to July 4th offers, if July 4th offers didn't exist then poeple whould be loving these offers

    Completely incorrect. The reason people are hating on these offers is because they've reach a place in the game where the offers are redundant and unnecessary.
    Actually, the OP is not far off. It's been a common perspective for years. People take the "best deal" i.e. lowest price seen, and call that the absolute value. "Why would I spend regular price? You offered it for X at half price.". A rare Sale is not a norm.

    BUUUUUUUT
    at the same time thats natural human behavior 101.
    Realistically. People hate them because cavs already have 5 and 6 stars... they want to rank up the 6 star so they can progress.... its a deal that gives them more of what they dont ultimately need where it matters
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,488 ★★★★★

    Kabam did a hit and a miss this year. The introduction of Thronebreaker, the beginning of a new era. We could tell you guys were excited to introduce this title, but severely cutting back Cav offers and making TB deals spicy won’t help us get to TB any faster.

    Unfortunately, I may have to agree with this. If the intention was to motivate people, I think it's backfired in this case. Although I can't help but acknowledge this is the first real incentive TB has been given. Up until now, monthly percs have been accessible to Cavs. Still, you have a point.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,488 ★★★★★

    kmac_qtp said:

    Gardener said:

    The only reason why people are hating the offers is because theyre comparing them to July 4th offers, if July 4th offers didn't exist then poeple whould be loving these offers

    Completely incorrect. The reason people are hating on these offers is because they've reach a place in the game where the offers are redundant and unnecessary.
    Actually, the OP is not far off. It's been a common perspective for years. People take the "best deal" i.e. lowest price seen, and call that the absolute value. "Why would I spend regular price? You offered it for X at half price.". A rare Sale is not a norm.

    BUUUUUUUT
    at the same time thats natural human behavior 101.
    Realistically. People hate them because cavs already have 5 and 6 stars... they want to rank up the 6 star so they can progress.... its a deal that gives them more of what they dont ultimately need where it matters
    The lack of T5CCs might be the catalyst, pardon the pun, but that's just something that happens. If I hear Gwenpool Goes to the Movies one more time.....LMAO.
    People develop the expectation when things are too sweet.
  • GardenerGardener Member Posts: 1,601 ★★★
    Also @Kabam Miike has constantly said that Thronebreakers are supposed to be the endgame players, by endgame player they mean people who have 100% act6 beaten the abyss etc. By just doing one of those you get a fully formed T5CC, Thronebreakers isn't the thing that people should be rushing for. So the Thronebreaker offers are just as good as they're supposed to be.( note this is just for some people that thought it was unfair that Cavalier players offers didn't give the items nessacary for TB
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,488 ★★★★★

    Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.

    It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
    The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
    You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
    I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
    I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
    I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
    Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
    I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
    I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
    I don’t know why you’re trying to change my mind. The deal may be ‘great’ to you but to me it isn’t. I’m not saying that every-time there’s an offer it has to be exactly the same as the previous, at-least make it reasonable is what I’m asking.


    Based on the past deals/ offers, you’d somewhat get a decent idea around what they’ll be offering so how would it be unreasonable for me to assume. I’m just stating that the offers are very underwhelming especially for beginner cavalier players and those who really need that push to get those t5cc fragments to get them to TB.

    Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.

    It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
    The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
    You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
    I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
    I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
    I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
    Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
    I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
    I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
    I don’t know why you’re trying to change my mind. The deal may be ‘great’ to you but to me it isn’t. I’m not saying that every-time there’s an offer it has to be exactly the same as the previous, at-least make it reasonable is what I’m asking.


    Based on the past deals/ offers, you’d somewhat get a decent idea around what they’ll be offering so how would it be unreasonable for me to assume. I’m just stating that the offers are very underwhelming especially for beginner cavalier players and those who really need that push to get those t5cc fragments to get them to TB.
    I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying I can't look at its value based on what's been offered before. That's just not a thing in my mind. I have to look at what's offered for what they're asking.
  • N1nthcloudN1nthcloud Member Posts: 343 ★★★
    The lack of T5CCs might be the catalyst, pardon the pun, but that's just something that happens. If I hear Gwenpool Goes to the Movies one more time.....LMAO.
    People develop the expectation when things are too sweet.

    Agreed.
    BUT
    Its only something that happens when you offer people something that that theu dont need or doesnt bring them as much "VALUE"
    AND
    Combined with the fact it costs kabam virtually nothing to manufacture other than server space it becomes a slap in the face with naturally high expectations.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,131 ★★★★★
    I’m not saying those Cav offers aren’t trash, but what can they do about it now?

    They’ve already been dropped and I’m sure people have bought them.
  • GardenerGardener Member Posts: 1,601 ★★★

    Gardener said:

    Also @Kabam Miike has constantly said that Thronebreakers are supposed to be the endgame players, by endgame player they mean people who have 100% act6 beaten the abyss etc. By just doing one of those you get a fully formed T5CC, Thronebreakers isn't the thing that people should be rushing for. So the Thronebreaker offers are just as good as they're supposed to be.( note this is just for some people that thought it was unfair that Cavalier players offers didn't give the items nessacary for TB

    I’ve beaten Abyss.

    I was rewarded with a T5CC for a bunch of trash champs.

    So I’m supposed to R3 War Machine so I can get better deals? Lol.
    Personally i would do it
  • Ultraman27Ultraman27 Member Posts: 3
    Garbage offers for Cav and we’ve seen these letdowns over the years so no one should be shocked. Save your money and your units
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,488 ★★★★★

    The lack of T5CCs might be the catalyst, pardon the pun, but that's just something that happens. If I hear Gwenpool Goes to the Movies one more time.....LMAO.
    People develop the expectation when things are too sweet.

    Agreed.
    BUT
    Its only something that happens when you offer people something that that theu dont need or doesnt bring them as much "VALUE"
    AND
    Combined with the fact it costs kabam virtually nothing to manufacture other than server space it becomes a slap in the face with naturally high expectations.

    Pretty sure people need everything in the Unit Offer. They might not need the T4B/C immediately, but Shards, Nexus Crystals, Awakening Gems...all useful. What they didn't include was the one thing people wanted. There's a difference.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,131 ★★★★★
    They’d have to take the time to refund Cav players their units/money, but they’d also have to take away everything those players received including crystal pulls, rank up resources, gold, gems, etc.

    It would be an absolute nightmare.

    I know these offers deserved to be much more than they are. I’m not trying to deny that by any means. I just can’t see any good way of going back and changing these deals
  • AC666AC666 Member Posts: 7
    Is there a recourse here? We've all expressed how we've felt for 18 pages so far. Does anybody think Kabam will renege on their statement that these offers will not be changed and now send out updated offers?!
  • TypicalGamerTypicalGamer Member Posts: 15

    Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.

    It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
    The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
    You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
    I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
    I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
    I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
    Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
    I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
    I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
    I don’t know why you’re trying to change my mind. The deal may be ‘great’ to you but to me it isn’t. I’m not saying that every-time there’s an offer it has to be exactly the same as the previous, at-least make it reasonable is what I’m asking.


    Based on the past deals/ offers, you’d somewhat get a decent idea around what they’ll be offering so how would it be unreasonable for me to assume. I’m just stating that the offers are very underwhelming especially for beginner cavalier players and those who really need that push to get those t5cc fragments to get them to TB.

    Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.

    It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
    The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
    You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
    I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
    I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
    I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
    Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
    I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
    I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
    I don’t know why you’re trying to change my mind. The deal may be ‘great’ to you but to me it isn’t. I’m not saying that every-time there’s an offer it has to be exactly the same as the previous, at-least make it reasonable is what I’m asking.


    Based on the past deals/ offers, you’d somewhat get a decent idea around what they’ll be offering so how would it be unreasonable for me to assume. I’m just stating that the offers are very underwhelming especially for beginner cavalier players and those who really need that push to get those t5cc fragments to get them to TB.
    I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying I can't look at its value based on what's been offered before. That's just not a thing in my mind. I have to look at what's offered for what they're asking.
    That’s like saying it’s reasonable to be offered a premium hero crystal rather than a 4 star hero crystal because “you can’t look at its value based on what’s been offered before”. That’s what it feels like.
  • kmac_qtpkmac_qtp Member Posts: 62

    kmac_qtp said:

    Gardener said:

    The only reason why people are hating the offers is because theyre comparing them to July 4th offers, if July 4th offers didn't exist then poeple whould be loving these offers

    Completely incorrect. The reason people are hating on these offers is because they've reach a place in the game where the offers are redundant and unnecessary.
    Actually, the OP is not far off. It's been a common perspective for years. People take the "best deal" i.e. lowest price seen, and call that the absolute value. "Why would I spend regular price? You offered it for X at half price.". A rare Sale is not a norm.
    This is also incorrect as people buy far less compelling deals throughout the year for less value - like last week. People are comparing this special to previous specials. No one is comparing to the cash deals from last week and there wasn't this level of backlash for those deals.

    People are pissed because Kabam just told us that a 17% chance at complete T5CC of the class a player needs is worth $1000 and it has nothing to do with progression or skill.

    You can justify it all you want. It wasn't business savy and it intentionally didn't account for the shifting meta. People will spend their money elsewhere, many will get bored at the stagnation in their accounts until they find 8 hours and get the right champs to clear the Abyss or while they wait a year or more to collect 2%, 5%, and 10% T5CC crystals and eventually get a full T5CC, Kabam and it's employees will feel it, and apologists will not change that because real life economics trump in-game economics.
  • Doctorwho13Doctorwho13 Member Posts: 600 ★★★
    AC666 said:

    Is there a recourse here? We've all expressed how we've felt for 18 pages so far. Does anybody think Kabam will renege on their statement that these offers will not be changed and now send out updated offers?!

    I don’t think they could do it that quickly. Could be wrong. At this point I think it’s a lost opportunity. They could maybe fix it in a couple of weeks, but by then gifting is in full swing and they’re competing with themselves on their deal offerings. Honestly. I think it’s done. They’ll take the complaints and hopefully fix it next time.
  • OGAvengerOGAvenger Member Posts: 1,131 ★★★★★
    I mean if there is truly a very small amount of people who bought the Cav deals then I can see updating the deals. However it would need to be done ASAP to limit the things they’d need to fix

    I’m sure a ton more TB’s got their deals though so going through and changing those would be a legit nightmare
  • KapitzKapitz Member Posts: 59
    I personally don't know why so many people are surprised about the Cavalier deals. When Kabam announced Thronebreaker they were pretty clear that their initial intention was for it to be gated to either Abyss exploration or somewhere around the mid-point of Act 7. But then the "roadmap saga" happened and they revised their plans regarding difficulty tuning, so instead had to pick something else that would become the longer-term progression motivator for players.

    Or, reading between the lines, just like you wouldn't have been able to buy 100% Abyss or 7.2 Completion and it would have been something you had to work towards over a long period, you shouldn't have expected to be able to buy your way to the Thronebreaker progression milestone in these deals. That was the reason I gritted my teeth and did an Abyss run last month despite hating the longer fight format of the game as I needed that T5CC catalyst to get there and was prepared to make a bad rank up choice if I had to.

    I also think that expecting these offers to meet or better the 4th of July was always going to lead to disappointment. Those deals had to strike a balance between new Cavalier players and those who would have been Thronebreaker if it had existed (which as Cavalier EQ has shown, is a huge spectrum of players). That being the case, they had to inflate the offers for the "whale" end, whilst not going too far so as to allow newer Cavalier players to suddenly blast through content. If you want to look for a reason as to why Kabam introduced the Thronebreaker title when they did, I don't think you need to look any further than the 4th of July.
  • Salguod47Salguod47 Member Posts: 4

    Hey guys,

    I want to thank you all for your feedback. I completely understand where our Cavalier players are coming from today (I'm a Cav player as well), and I wanted to let you know that I am going to be talking to the team about this, so we can learn from it for the future.

    Thank you again for your constructive feedback.

    This is what I don't understand...instead of taking the cavalier deals from 4th of July and either keeping them the same or making them either slightly better ALL of them get nerfed. For 5k units on 4th of July we get T5CC and 10k 6 star shards and T5 basic catalysts now we get t4cc and 3.5k 6* shards. I did more grinding the last 2 months than I have since I started playing in anticipation of the unit offers and now I'll just save the for the gifting event unless that gets nerfed too if there even is one this year.
    C4LH3LH4 said:

    Huge disappointment, not even as good as July 4th offers

  • JonBlackJonBlack Member Posts: 26
    Nice job kAbam, so for u is the same thing Cavalier Act 6.1 and someone who complete Act6?!?! This is a ffff joke! I was expecting some catalyst ct5 for Odin s offer not that **** 6* nexus and a rank up gem, offer that thronbreaker (act6 completed with a r3 6*) can buy it for 20£??? Wtf is wrong with u??? I m done playing this game! Thank for giving me the final reason.
  • LPH_337LPH_337 Member Posts: 74
    Lormif said:

    LPH_337 said:

    I just can't wrap my head around this at all. I really hope kabam will at least tell us what their thought process was on this because it just doesn't make sense. The difference between TB and Cav is just so massive. And the jump between 4th of july deals for Cav and black friday for TBs is equally massive while in some cases the difference between 4th of july to black friday for Cav is actually worse! And as someone who is TB level but stuck at Cav because of terrible RNG this hurts. This is very disappointing. What else to expect from 2020 i shouldn't be surprised. The 1% gets theirs and who cares about the rest of us right?

    Cav players, please don't support kabam with your hard earned money. This is a giant slap in the face


    There was no Jump, TBs did not have a deal on 4th of july because there was no TB back then.
    The jump between Cav on the 4th and thronebreaker now is what i am referring to. Because there is usually always a sizeable jump in offers each time. Like how there was a huge jump in value from black friday 2019 to 4th of july 2020. Players who gained thronebreaker saw a massive jump whereas in some cases the deals are actually worse for Cav today then it was on the 4th.
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