Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
Falcon over Ronin? Should have expected that from you.
Falcon is fairly clear of Ronin. Huge attack bonus when locked on and -100% DAAR which is huge compared to Ronin’s -40% DAAR
KD is right this time. Utility is way stronger. 100% DAAR for 65%(?) of the fight vs 80% DAAR for like a lot less of the fight. Damagewise, ronin probably wins, but for LOL/AOL, the cruelties will have him hitting harder. My unleveled 6* falcon was hitting some crazy numbers for that level
Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
See, there's your problem right there. Falcon is better than Elsa? Try using her sometime. LOL.
Try using Falcon. His utility is so superior to Elsa's, it's not even funny.
He can deal with Evade. So can she.
Falcon utility: Huge -100% AAR with locked on - Can counter evade, auto block, thorns, biohazard, freezer burn, Thing rock stacks, Korg, Electro, among many other things
Elsa utility: Coldsnap debuff - Can counter one thing, evade (needs the opponent to evade first, and it’s only a debuff meaning it can be shrugged off or someone can be immune to it)
Many champions can counter evade so much easier and more practically.
Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
Falcon over Ronin? Should have expected that from you.
Falcon is fairly clear of Ronin. Huge attack bonus when locked on and -100% DAAR which is huge compared to Ronin’s -40% DAAR
KD is right this time. Utility is way stronger. 100% DAAR for 65%(?) of the fight vs 80% DAAR for like a lot less of the fight. Damagewise, ronin probably wins, but for LOL/AOL, the cruelties will have him hitting harder. My unleveled 6* falcon was hitting some crazy numbers for that level
By a lot less do you mean the entire fight after you get to an sp1?
Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
Falcon over Ronin? Should have expected that from you.
Falcon is fairly clear of Ronin. Huge attack bonus when locked on and -100% DAAR which is huge compared to Ronin’s -40% DAAR
KD is right this time. Utility is way stronger. 100% DAAR for 65%(?) of the fight vs 80% DAAR for like a lot less of the fight. Damagewise, ronin probably wins, but for LOL/AOL, the cruelties will have him hitting harder. My unleveled 6* falcon was hitting some crazy numbers for that level
By a lot less do you mean the entire fight after you get to an sp1?
Ronin’s extra 40% AAR comes from a mere 8 second disorient debuff off his sp1. Ronin has no power gain or practical way to throw an sp1 every 8 seconds, meaning he can’t practically keep up 80% DAAR. Additionally, the other 40% DAAR only comes from one of his stances and to build up his damage you have to switch between dances to gain cruelties, meaning his other 40% DAAR is also not consistent and practical. Ronin is quite light on the practical utility, though his damage once ramped up is nice.
Sorry Puff, I'm with KD on this one. He's making very solid points. Still don't think Falcon is nearly as good as he's saying, but better than Ronin imo.
Sorry Puff, I'm with KD on this one. He's making very solid points. Still don't think Falcon is nearly as good as he's saying, but better than Ronin imo.
Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
Falcon over Ronin? Should have expected that from you.
Falcon is fairly clear of Ronin. Huge attack bonus when locked on and -100% DAAR which is huge compared to Ronin’s -40% DAAR
KD is right this time. Utility is way stronger. 100% DAAR for 65%(?) of the fight vs 80% DAAR for like a lot less of the fight. Damagewise, ronin probably wins, but for LOL/AOL, the cruelties will have him hitting harder. My unleveled 6* falcon was hitting some crazy numbers for that level
By a lot less do you mean the entire fight after you get to an sp1?
Ronin’s extra 40% AAR comes from a mere 8 second disorient debuff off his sp1. Ronin has no power gain or practical way to throw an sp1 every 8 seconds, meaning he can’t practically keep up 80% DAAR. Additionally, the other 40% DAAR only comes from one of his stances and to build up his damage you have to switch between dances to gain cruelties, meaning his other 40% DAAR is also not consistent and practical. Ronin is quite light on the practical utility, though his damage once ramped up is nice.
Its not as hard to keep up as you said. And you are forgetting Falcons main flaw. For that cooldown on the lock on, you have no evade, passive damage, or other aar counters. You also have really bad damage. Plus he lacks almost any other utility. If they evade, he is most likely a bit better. Otherwise, no way.
Time for me to come in. Since this thread has completely deviated from talking about Ronin, I'd like to compare between Stealthy, Elsa and Falcon.
I do have all 5 champs as 5*/6*. Ronin still at rank 1 as a 5*, so I'm not going to comment on him. I have a 6* killmonger as well, but I'm not going to comment on him either as I haven't used him much yet. As for Elsa, Stealthy and Falcon, I have a rank 5 5* sig 20 Stealthy, a rank 2 6* Elsa, and a 6* rank 1 Falcon.
Why is Falcon still at rank 1 you may ask? Because I have seen no reason to take him up. 100% DAAR is nice, but in trying to get it, you take block damage most of the time. The Cooldown length is also pretty damn annoying! Now I understand that having that kinda DAAR for an entire is way too OP, but still; he isn't the kind of champ that would my go-to for anything major. I'll probably rank him soon either way, but I'd like to play with an awakened version before making further judgements.
Now as for Elsa vs Stealthy; sorry but Stealthy takes this one. I haven't directly compared their speed either way, but I do find Elsa to be seemingly faster and have more reach in terms of applications and node-countering in general. She beats Stealthy hands down in places like cav EQ for instance. But get this: Stealthy counters evade, unstoppable and miss all at the same time with his slow debuff. For this reason, I'd have to put him ahead. Those 3 abilities are arguably the most annoying defensive abilities in the game. Stealthy isn't exactly your guy when it comes to lane clearing like champs such as Hyperion for instance. I find Elsa to beat Stealthy in lane clearing potential. But when it comes to super tough fights like 6.3.5 mysterio, 6.4.3 darkhawk, 6.4.5 adaptoid, etc. These are some of the places where such a specialist in stealthy comes in to absolutely dominate! This is why I put him ahead. There's quite a fights where Elsa might be the top 10 option for. But there's many where Stealthy is a clear top 3 option for. This is why he's ahead imo.
In terms of evade countering in particular, stealthy's slow is pretty hard to get against champs like OG Spidey who evade from the start. I also wouldn't use Stealthy for mix master over Elsa.
Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
See, there's your problem right there. Falcon is better than Elsa? Try using her sometime. LOL.
Try using Falcon. His utility is so superior to Elsa's, it's not even funny.
He can deal with Evade. So can she.
Lol, this guy. 100% DAAR deals with so much more than evade.
Can he do the Damage she can? Keep the Busted up and watch it go down.
Utility>>>>>>>>Damage. Doesn’t matter how fast you finish a fight if you can’t actually do the fight
I just want to bring up real quick that I bring my Elsa all the time into endgame content with Tigra. I think people are judging her too harshly because she on paper only has that coldsnap but her counter-evade has been so useful for me as well as her debuff shrug mechanic.
Elsa better watch out for her #10 place cuz Kingpin and Mole Man buffs are coming in February 👀
Falcon over Ronin? Should have expected that from you.
Falcon is fairly clear of Ronin. Huge attack bonus when locked on and -100% DAAR which is huge compared to Ronin’s -40% DAAR
KD is right this time. Utility is way stronger. 100% DAAR for 65%(?) of the fight vs 80% DAAR for like a lot less of the fight. Damagewise, ronin probably wins, but for LOL/AOL, the cruelties will have him hitting harder. My unleveled 6* falcon was hitting some crazy numbers for that level
By a lot less do you mean the entire fight after you get to an sp1?
Ronin’s extra 40% AAR comes from a mere 8 second disorient debuff off his sp1. Ronin has no power gain or practical way to throw an sp1 every 8 seconds, meaning he can’t practically keep up 80% DAAR. Additionally, the other 40% DAAR only comes from one of his stances and to build up his damage you have to switch between dances to gain cruelties, meaning his other 40% DAAR is also not consistent and practical. Ronin is quite light on the practical utility, though his damage once ramped up is nice.
Time for me to come in. Since this thread has completely deviated from talking about Ronin, I'd like to compare between Stealthy, Elsa and Falcon.
I do have all 5 champs as 5*/6*. Ronin still at rank 1 as a 5*, so I'm not going to comment on him. I have a 6* killmonger as well, but I'm not going to comment on him either as I haven't used him much yet. As for Elsa, Stealthy and Falcon, I have a rank 5 5* sig 20 Stealthy, a rank 2 6* Elsa, and a 6* rank 1 Falcon.
Why is Falcon still at rank 1 you may ask? Because I have seen no reason to take him up. 100% DAAR is nice, but in trying to get it, you take block damage most of the time. The Cooldown length is also pretty damn annoying! Now I understand that having that kinda DAAR for an entire is way too OP, but still; he isn't the kind of champ that would my go-to for anything major. I'll probably rank him soon either way, but I'd like to play with an awakened version before making further judgements.
Now as for Elsa vs Stealthy; sorry but Stealthy takes this one. I haven't directly compared their speed either way, but I do find Elsa to be seemingly faster and have more reach in terms of applications and node-countering in general. She beats Stealthy hands down in places like cav EQ for instance. But get this: Stealthy counters evade, unstoppable and miss all at the same time with his slow debuff. For this reason, I'd have to put him ahead. Those 3 abilities are arguably the most annoying defensive abilities in the game. Stealthy isn't exactly your guy when it comes to lane clearing like champs such as Hyperion for instance. I find Elsa to beat Stealthy in lane clearing potential. But when it comes to super tough fights like 6.3.5 mysterio, 6.4.3 darkhawk, 6.4.5 adaptoid, etc. These are some of the places where such a specialist in stealthy comes in to absolutely dominate! This is why I put him ahead. There's quite a fights where Elsa might be the top 10 option for. But there's many where Stealthy is a clear top 3 option for. This is why he's ahead imo.
In terms of evade countering in particular, stealthy's slow is pretty hard to get against champs like OG Spidey who evade from the start. I also wouldn't use Stealthy for mix master over Elsa.
I'm not really sure why you would use elsa instead of spelthy for lane clearing. his damage basically reaches max potential after a single sp1, whereas elsa needs more setup and time, and even at her max potential, he does more damage.
for evade vs spelthy, id say you're mostly right. I've heard there's some witchcraft combo that works for mm but I don't remember. some people also just 4 hit combo to sp2 for evade counter
Little late but here’s the Elsa video. Pretty similar to the stealthy w/out Vulnerability debuff. Highest combo I counted was almost 46k if the last medium crit.
(Note that I was using a boost because I run 40% attack suicides)
Little late but here’s the Elsa video. Pretty similar to the stealthy w/out Vulnerability debuff. Highest combo I counted was almost 46k if the last medium crit.
(Note that I was using a boost because I run 40% attack suicides)
Little late but here’s the Elsa video. Pretty similar to the stealthy w/out Vulnerability debuff. Highest combo I counted was almost 46k if the last medium crit.
(Note that I was using a boost because I run 40% attack suicides)
Now if we talk about facon and elsa,I will probably choose Falcon anyday as-
1.Counters thorns,electro,evade,immortal hulk,morningstar's bleed,miss,etc and a lot more due to -100% DAAR. 2.His cruelty charges which last indefinitely are awesome. 3.prestige 4.good playstyle
I never understand by people prefer Elsa over Spelthy (unless it's for the fun playstyle). Stealthy takes way less time to ramp up and even then, has more damage than Elsa at max potential.
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- Can counter evade, auto block, thorns, biohazard, freezer burn, Thing rock stacks, Korg, Electro, among many other things
Elsa utility: Coldsnap debuff
- Can counter one thing, evade (needs the opponent to evade first, and it’s only a debuff meaning it can be shrugged off or someone can be immune to it)
Many champions can counter evade so much easier and more practically.
Their utility is not even comparable.
I do have all 5 champs as 5*/6*. Ronin still at rank 1 as a 5*, so I'm not going to comment on him. I have a 6* killmonger as well, but I'm not going to comment on him either as I haven't used him much yet. As for Elsa, Stealthy and Falcon, I have a rank 5 5* sig 20 Stealthy, a rank 2 6* Elsa, and a 6* rank 1 Falcon.
Why is Falcon still at rank 1 you may ask? Because I have seen no reason to take him up. 100% DAAR is nice, but in trying to get it, you take block damage most of the time. The Cooldown length is also pretty damn annoying! Now I understand that having that kinda DAAR for an entire is way too OP, but still; he isn't the kind of champ that would my go-to for anything major. I'll probably rank him soon either way, but I'd like to play with an awakened version before making further judgements.
Now as for Elsa vs Stealthy; sorry but Stealthy takes this one. I haven't directly compared their speed either way, but I do find Elsa to be seemingly faster and have more reach in terms of applications and node-countering in general. She beats Stealthy hands down in places like cav EQ for instance.
But get this: Stealthy counters evade, unstoppable and miss all at the same time with his slow debuff. For this reason, I'd have to put him ahead. Those 3 abilities are arguably the most annoying defensive abilities in the game. Stealthy isn't exactly your guy when it comes to lane clearing like champs such as Hyperion for instance. I find Elsa to beat Stealthy in lane clearing potential. But when it comes to super tough fights like 6.3.5 mysterio, 6.4.3 darkhawk, 6.4.5 adaptoid, etc. These are some of the places where such a specialist in stealthy comes in to absolutely dominate! This is why I put him ahead. There's quite a fights where Elsa might be the top 10 option for. But there's many where Stealthy is a clear top 3 option for. This is why he's ahead imo.
In terms of evade countering in particular, stealthy's slow is pretty hard to get against champs like OG Spidey who evade from the start. I also wouldn't use Stealthy for mix master over Elsa.
for evade vs spelthy, id say you're mostly right. I've heard there's some witchcraft combo that works for mm but I don't remember. some people also just 4 hit combo to sp2 for evade counter
If you play him properly you need 1 (occasionally 2) special attacks per fight -
The damage back is well worth the 60% damage increase.
(Note that I was using a boost because I run 40% attack suicides)
1.Counters thorns,electro,evade,immortal hulk,morningstar's bleed,miss,etc and a lot more due to -100% DAAR.
2.His cruelty charges which last indefinitely are awesome.
3.prestige
4.good playstyle