With the changes to arenas that is coming it just makes me very upset. I do the basic 4 star arena and I try to hit what is said to be the prediction total of points needed for that. Most of the time I have to spend to hit those totals. Because I can't spend a lot of time grinding arenas. And I don't mind at all. In the current basic 4 star is immortal hulk. I want this champ but with all of the changes it kinda piss me off a lot. I put up 1,650,674 mil. I know that is not going to get me the champ but I just feel defeated from knowing that the changes are coming and just don't want to do it any more. With all of the changes that are coming to the game. Kabam may be killing this game. I'm about to close my accounts down and stop pkay. It hurts a lot. But if this company really does not care about the player that really love this game. They are doomed to failure.
That's a little over dramatic. They have just merged the 2,3 and 4 star basic arenas into a single one which gives 4 star nexus as a top prize. Whether that is only for rank 1 or in the milestones is yet to be seen. But, I am reasonably certain that they wont just remove the chance for collected players to get 4 stars from arena. They have even said they plan to make the getting uncollected easier which will allow you to access the other arenas. Predicting Doom for a game before they even implement the change is a little premature.
With the changes to arenas that is coming it just makes me very upset. I do the basic 4 star arena and I try to hit what is said to be the prediction total of points needed for that. Most of the time I have to spend to hit those totals. Because I can't spend a lot of time grinding arenas. And I don't mind at all. In the current basic 4 star is immortal hulk. I want this champ but with all of the changes it kinda piss me off a lot. I put up 1,650,674 mil. I know that is not going to get me the champ but I just feel defeated from knowing that the changes are coming and just don't want to do it any more. With all of the changes that are coming to the game. Kabam may be killing this game. I'm about to close my accounts down and stop pkay. It hurts a lot. But if this company really does not care about the player that really love this game. They are doomed to failure.
That's why you have to progress, atleast become Uncollected lol Cause by that time you don't have to compete for rank rewards for 4*, just hit the milestones and done, with this arena change. A lot of people said Kabam is killing this game before, you're not the first. So I won't be surprised if you quit and come back a few years later with a lot of changes in the game but the game still goes on.
I think the arenas changes be an improvement. Kabam would have years of data, of thousands of players. They would be able to get a basic idea of the milestones that players generally hit. Based on such data, the milestones would be designed to serve the player's targets and also be enough for them to push for the rewards.
For example, the 4 star basic champion usually went for 2-2.5 mil. So they might have placed the champ at 3 mil milestone to have players grind a bit more, but have a sure shot at the champion.
People simply grinding for a 5* are going to have to compete with whales grinding for the 6*. I don't understand how Kabam thought this was a good idea.
Who do you think they are competing against now? Right now only a small number of people even attempt to go for the 5* featured. Everyone else just stops when they are safely past the 1-5% mark (about 22 million). There is a gigantic drop off in scoring from 301 to 1-5%. In the new arena there will be 500 spots for either 5* or 6* featured. How many people right now are not going for the featured 5*, but would go for the featured 6*? I'm guessing not a lot. Even so, there will still be more people getting the 5* featured than before (400 vs 300).
On top of that, there's the basic arena. Right now 300 people get the featured 5* every cycle. In the new arenas 1000 people will be getting either the 5* or the 6* featured or basic. Do you think there's 700 people sitting on the sidelines now capable of grinding for a 6* champion but just not bothering to even attempt to get the 5* now? That seems unlikely to me.
If you had any shot at all at getting the 5* featured now, you'll still have a shot at getting either the 5* or 6* featured or the 5* or 6* basic. There's so many more opportunities across both arenas, and no huge reservoir of players capable of competing for those spots. My guess is this will bring *some* players out of the woodwork, but probably not 700 more on top of the 300 that have already been grinding away.
What will be really interesting to see is how the jockeying between arenas goes. If you think you won't make top 100 in the featured, do you shift to go for the 6* basic? How does that shifting affect the 5* featured scores? Does that make the 5* featured a little easier to get? What will the cut off be for the 5* basic?
I don't think this is necessarily true. 5* featured cutoffs have been quite low since the change to how many people get the champ. I think this has a lot to do with both the increase in champs rewarded but also that 5*s are now longer the most relevant rarity at the top end of the game.
I'm guessing being able to get new 6*s through arena will bring back a lot of accounts (I say accounts not players bc we all know plenty will be using arena mercs) that have been ignoring these arenas for quite a while. That influx of players pushing in that arena and going for considerably higher scores for the 6* than are currently being put up for the 5* could potentially push the cutoff for the 5* considerably higher IMO. That has the possibility of raising cutoffs outside the realistic abilities of some people that are currently able to get the featured 5*.
This is all just potential and guesses obviously, but I just don't think it's as black and white as saying if you're able to compete for the 5* now, you'll be able to compete for the 5/6* in the new arena.
As I said, my guess is this will bring some players out of the woodwork, but probably not 700 more on top of the 300 that have already been grinding away.
I should expand on this logic. Arena grinders quickly figure out at least some general idea of where scores will land. They aren't always right, but that's irrelevant: the important thing is that most arena grinders *think* they know approximately where scores will land.
There's going to be 100 spots for 6* champs in each arena, 200 total. The people actually competing for those spots are going to figure out, fairly quickly, what the cut of score for champs is going to be, roughly. Everyone who thinks they have a shot at the cutoff will go for it. Everyone who doesn't will not even try. Those people are now confronted with basically the same choice they have now: go for 5*, or just shoot for 1-5% (if you can't even get 1-5% now, you are irrelevant to the cut of scores for the new arenas).
If there's going to be 100 spots, I don't expect more than 150 people actually shooting for it. There's almost always going to be that heartbreaking guy that finishes 101 or 102, but there is simply not going to be 200 people with super high scores. We know this because of how the arenas work now. Number 105 might try again harder next time. Number 198 is not going to try harder, he's going to figure it is not worth it and either try less hard for the 5*, or not even try at all and just grab the top 1-5% rank reward (this is a bit of an oversimplification: #198 might try harder next time, but he or she is only going to try harder so many times before they realize it is hopeless and give up, at least temporarily).
The vast overwhelming majority of people who will be willing to settle for 5* in the new arenas would be shooting for them now. It is illogical to assume there's a lot of people who don't want to put in 50 million for the 5* today, but would be willing to put in 50 million for the 5* once 6* champs are also added. As long as there are less than 300 such lunatics that exist, it the overall impact will be for 5* champs to be slightly easier to get in the new configuration.
Incidentally, I got Silver Centurion for 31.6 million in round two. He went for over 40 million in round one. There's lots of potential reasons for this, but the theory that makes the most sense that I've heard is that ArenaKnight posted scores late for round one, which means a lot of people did not have any idea what he went for in round one. Without that information, many people simply decided to sit out round two because they didn't have a good target to aim for. And all it takes is literally a couple dozen people to sit out for the cut off to plummet, because just under those people is no one else. Almost no one aims for high thirties when that's overkill for 1-5% but not generally enough for a new champ. That "depletion zone" is why I think we are unlikely to see a lot more than the 100 6* spots shooting for higher scores. A little more than that, but not a lot more. People know, or at least think they know, what to shoot for and when to not try. When the herd is wildly wrong, you get wonky low scores.
(Why did I score 31.6 million, when no one should be at that time? I was doing a scoring experiment. It was a complete coincidence I scored exceptionally high at the exact moment less than the normal group of players shot for the champ.)
I think you're underestimating the number of accounts that will be brought back into the fold just based on what I've seen in my last couple of years being pretty competitive in AQ ranks. Certainly any prestige shifting champ will likely have a massive influx of people going for them, unless I'm also underestimating how many people are just willing to roll with the increased drop rates to cav crystals.
Again, I'm aware this is all speculation but I still don't see this change as being particularly good for your average player at all.
New milestones won't be easily obtainable with the removal of smaller arenas that already loses a huge advantage for arena grinders. For people like me who may just run one arena and could careless about getting a new champ this is a welcomed change.
There is no way an average player will be able to compete moving forward but that would happen for any 6 star arena being made available. So I think the average player has had their flowers for a good year plus now with the previous changes to arena. The game is shifting towards end gamers a gain and it is certainly a welcomed change on my part.
There's no way an average Player would be able to compete either way. You have two subsects of Players who Grind. Those who do it casually, for Milestones and the like, and those who compete. The Arena is, and has always been, a competition of (Roster + Effort) × Time. Those who typically Rank are those with either the greatest Rosters, an abundance of Units to refresh, or both. Most typically both. There tends to be a similar demographic that earns Champs, and it's not as accessible for people in the middle. Doable, I suppose. With enough Units. However, they're not really going to keep up because of the simple fact that their Rosters aren't as wide. One of the things about the Arena is that progress increases as Rosters do. Meaning more Champs, higher Ranks, more Rarities, more Points. People do better the more they do it and the more they expand their Roster.
Yes the average player can't compete but with the 5 star arena only being available the whales no longer care about 5 stars at all. So its not really a competition right now. You can outwork better rosters because most whales don't care about the 5 star arena. 6 star arena means the pool of players participating will practically double at a minimum, especially with less arenas.
Doubtful. If you're a Grinder, you're going to run both Arenas. For that matter, Milestones and middle Rankings are going to be more attainable for people because of more people playing. The majority of people only stay within the lower to mid Rank anyway. An Arena is an Arena. There's always going to be a limited number of people getting the Champs, and everyone else will fall somewhere in between.
I still think the Uncollected only requirement is pretty unfair considering the players that affects. Imagine playing MCOC for the first time, trying to farm units for the Collector, only to realize that you only have one arena to grind. That being said, right now, I just hope the milestone grind won't be like 20 million per arena. Because that alone put me off from grinding the 5 star arena... especially the first milestone being 250,000 points and the one afterwards being 1 million points. Grinding the 4 star basic felt more quick to me and I'm really gonna miss that arena.
People simply grinding for a 5* are going to have to compete with whales grinding for the 6*. I don't understand how Kabam thought this was a good idea.
Who do you think they are competing against now? Right now only a small number of people even attempt to go for the 5* featured. Everyone else just stops when they are safely past the 1-5% mark (about 22 million). There is a gigantic drop off in scoring from 301 to 1-5%. In the new arena there will be 500 spots for either 5* or 6* featured. How many people right now are not going for the featured 5*, but would go for the featured 6*? I'm guessing not a lot. Even so, there will still be more people getting the 5* featured than before (400 vs 300).
On top of that, there's the basic arena. Right now 300 people get the featured 5* every cycle. In the new arenas 1000 people will be getting either the 5* or the 6* featured or basic. Do you think there's 700 people sitting on the sidelines now capable of grinding for a 6* champion but just not bothering to even attempt to get the 5* now? That seems unlikely to me.
If you had any shot at all at getting the 5* featured now, you'll still have a shot at getting either the 5* or 6* featured or the 5* or 6* basic. There's so many more opportunities across both arenas, and no huge reservoir of players capable of competing for those spots. My guess is this will bring *some* players out of the woodwork, but probably not 700 more on top of the 300 that have already been grinding away.
What will be really interesting to see is how the jockeying between arenas goes. If you think you won't make top 100 in the featured, do you shift to go for the 6* basic? How does that shifting affect the 5* featured scores? Does that make the 5* featured a little easier to get? What will the cut off be for the 5* basic?
I don't think this is necessarily true. 5* featured cutoffs have been quite low since the change to how many people get the champ. I think this has a lot to do with both the increase in champs rewarded but also that 5*s are now longer the most relevant rarity at the top end of the game.
I'm guessing being able to get new 6*s through arena will bring back a lot of accounts (I say accounts not players bc we all know plenty will be using arena mercs) that have been ignoring these arenas for quite a while. That influx of players pushing in that arena and going for considerably higher scores for the 6* than are currently being put up for the 5* could potentially push the cutoff for the 5* considerably higher IMO. That has the possibility of raising cutoffs outside the realistic abilities of some people that are currently able to get the featured 5*.
This is all just potential and guesses obviously, but I just don't think it's as black and white as saying if you're able to compete for the 5* now, you'll be able to compete for the 5/6* in the new arena.
As I said, my guess is this will bring some players out of the woodwork, but probably not 700 more on top of the 300 that have already been grinding away.
I should expand on this logic. Arena grinders quickly figure out at least some general idea of where scores will land. They aren't always right, but that's irrelevant: the important thing is that most arena grinders *think* they know approximately where scores will land.
There's going to be 100 spots for 6* champs in each arena, 200 total. The people actually competing for those spots are going to figure out, fairly quickly, what the cut of score for champs is going to be, roughly. Everyone who thinks they have a shot at the cutoff will go for it. Everyone who doesn't will not even try. Those people are now confronted with basically the same choice they have now: go for 5*, or just shoot for 1-5% (if you can't even get 1-5% now, you are irrelevant to the cut of scores for the new arenas).
If there's going to be 100 spots, I don't expect more than 150 people actually shooting for it. There's almost always going to be that heartbreaking guy that finishes 101 or 102, but there is simply not going to be 200 people with super high scores. We know this because of how the arenas work now. Number 105 might try again harder next time. Number 198 is not going to try harder, he's going to figure it is not worth it and either try less hard for the 5*, or not even try at all and just grab the top 1-5% rank reward (this is a bit of an oversimplification: #198 might try harder next time, but he or she is only going to try harder so many times before they realize it is hopeless and give up, at least temporarily).
The vast overwhelming majority of people who will be willing to settle for 5* in the new arenas would be shooting for them now. It is illogical to assume there's a lot of people who don't want to put in 50 million for the 5* today, but would be willing to put in 50 million for the 5* once 6* champs are also added. As long as there are less than 300 such lunatics that exist, it the overall impact will be for 5* champs to be slightly easier to get in the new configuration.
Incidentally, I got Silver Centurion for 31.6 million in round two. He went for over 40 million in round one. There's lots of potential reasons for this, but the theory that makes the most sense that I've heard is that ArenaKnight posted scores late for round one, which means a lot of people did not have any idea what he went for in round one. Without that information, many people simply decided to sit out round two because they didn't have a good target to aim for. And all it takes is literally a couple dozen people to sit out for the cut off to plummet, because just under those people is no one else. Almost no one aims for high thirties when that's overkill for 1-5% but not generally enough for a new champ. That "depletion zone" is why I think we are unlikely to see a lot more than the 100 6* spots shooting for higher scores. A little more than that, but not a lot more. People know, or at least think they know, what to shoot for and when to not try. When the herd is wildly wrong, you get wonky low scores.
(Why did I score 31.6 million, when no one should be at that time? I was doing a scoring experiment. It was a complete coincidence I scored exceptionally high at the exact moment less than the normal group of players shot for the champ.)
I think you're underestimating the number of accounts that will be brought back into the fold just based on what I've seen in my last couple of years being pretty competitive in AQ ranks. Certainly any prestige shifting champ will likely have a massive influx of people going for them, unless I'm also underestimating how many people are just willing to roll with the increased drop rates to cav crystals.
Again, I'm aware this is all speculation but I still don't see this change as being particularly good for your average player at all.
New milestones won't be easily obtainable with the removal of smaller arenas that already loses a huge advantage for arena grinders. For people like me who may just run one arena and could careless about getting a new champ this is a welcomed change.
There is no way an average player will be able to compete moving forward but that would happen for any 6 star arena being made available. So I think the average player has had their flowers for a good year plus now with the previous changes to arena. The game is shifting towards end gamers a gain and it is certainly a welcomed change on my part.
There's no way an average Player would be able to compete either way. You have two subsects of Players who Grind. Those who do it casually, for Milestones and the like, and those who compete. The Arena is, and has always been, a competition of (Roster + Effort) × Time. Those who typically Rank are those with either the greatest Rosters, an abundance of Units to refresh, or both. Most typically both. There tends to be a similar demographic that earns Champs, and it's not as accessible for people in the middle. Doable, I suppose. With enough Units. However, they're not really going to keep up because of the simple fact that their Rosters aren't as wide. One of the things about the Arena is that progress increases as Rosters do. Meaning more Champs, higher Ranks, more Rarities, more Points. People do better the more they do it and the more they expand their Roster.
Yes the average player can't compete but with the 5 star arena only being available the whales no longer care about 5 stars at all. So its not really a competition right now. You can outwork better rosters because most whales don't care about the 5 star arena. 6 star arena means the pool of players participating will practically double at a minimum, especially with less arenas.
Doubtful. If you're a Grinder, you're going to run both Arenas. For that matter, Milestones and middle Rankings are going to be more attainable for people because of more people playing. The majority of people only stay within the lower to mid Rank anyway. An Arena is an Arena. There's always going to be a limited number of people getting the Champs, and everyone else will fall somewhere in between.
I personally hate everything about this changes in arenas. The way it is now. Grinding out for the 3 star champ always is great even if I have the champ. The 4 star basic is sometimes hard to hit the high ones at 2.5 or higher. I'm not uncollected yet. That is the worst part. For the average player that just likes to collect champs and do some content. This is a bunch of garbage. Locking Summoner that are Conqueror and beyond out is total bull. I hate this. I know that 3 and 4 star champs will now be part of milestone. But as I am Conqueror only. I can't even do arenas at all other than summoner trial only. The the fact the top prise is a nexus 4 star is just awful crappie. So I can't even grind for the basic 4 star champ at all. Totally bummed out. It makes me want to just quit the game. I love playing. It is my outlet. My way of relaxing and that is being taken away from me.
Then push to becoming Uncollected.
I started playing Dec. 17, 2020 and got Uncollected by March 4th, 2021. Used only a bunch of 4-Stars I got from basic arena. Got Jubilee, Stryfe and Cable from featured arena when I was in beginners bracket. Good thing I pushed for Uncollected on time, never thought they'd lock out Conqueror and below from new arena update. Now I can easily target to either grind the milestones for 4-star basic champ or the 4-star featured new champ if I already have the 4-star basic champ. Atleast this change can force Conqueror and below to push for Uncollected much early when they have the skill to do it or even units to get the title.
I have been playing for a very long time almost 5 year I'm level 60 conqueror. I personally don't want to be pushed to be uncollected. I can do some content and spend 2 hours playing the lower-end stuff and be happy with that. I don't want to be forced to do anything. I like the game as it is now. I rank up my 2 3 and 4 stars. Just have to fun with the game. I love getting a new champ. It doesn't matter to me if it is 1 2 3 4 5 or even 6 star champ. I love being able to kinda play with that champ and see what happens even as a 3 star. I have a every champ at 3 star but 5 total the only ones I don't have are dragon man, hit monkey, immortal iron fist, og vision, and Mr negative. The only champion I don't at all are me negative, gold pool, platinum pool, Kang, Thanos, classic ultron.and weapon x. That is it. I.just want to collect the champs and play a little that is it.
I personally hate everything about this changes in arenas. The way it is now. Grinding out for the 3 star champ always is great even if I have the champ. The 4 star basic is sometimes hard to hit the high ones at 2.5 or higher. I'm not uncollected yet. That is the worst part. For the average player that just likes to collect champs and do some content. This is a bunch of garbage. Locking Summoner that are Conqueror and beyond out is total bull. I hate this. I know that 3 and 4 star champs will now be part of milestone. But as I am Conqueror only. I can't even do arenas at all other than summoner trial only. The the fact the top prise is a nexus 4 star is just awful crappie. So I can't even grind for the basic 4 star champ at all. Totally bummed out. It makes me want to just quit the game. I love playing. It is my outlet. My way of relaxing and that is being taken away from me.
Then push to becoming Uncollected.
I started playing Dec. 17, 2020 and got Uncollected by March 4th, 2021. Used only a bunch of 4-Stars I got from basic arena. Got Jubilee, Stryfe and Cable from featured arena when I was in beginners bracket. Good thing I pushed for Uncollected on time, never thought they'd lock out Conqueror and below from new arena update. Now I can easily target to either grind the milestones for 4-star basic champ or the 4-star featured new champ if I already have the 4-star basic champ. Atleast this change can force Conqueror and below to push for Uncollected much early when they have the skill to do it or even units to get the title.
I have been playing for a very long time almost 5 year I'm level 60 conqueror. I personally don't want to be pushed to be uncollected. I can do some content and spend 2 hours playing the lower-end stuff and be happy with that. I don't want to be forced to do anything. I like the game as it is now. I rank up my 2 3 and 4 stars. Just have to fun with the game. I love getting a new champ. It doesn't matter to me if it is 1 2 3 4 5 or even 6 star champ. I love being able to kinda play with that champ and see what happens even as a 3 star. I have a every champ at 3 star but 5 total the only ones I don't have are dragon man, hit monkey, immortal iron fist, og vision, and Mr negative. The only champion I don't at all are me negative, gold pool, platinum pool, Kang, Thanos, classic ultron.and weapon x. That is it. I.just want to collect the champs and play a little that is it.
If that is true I don`t see the problem. If you just want to play a little, you still can. In the 1-4 star arena. It actually sounds just like your thing. Since you can use the champions you focus on. The way you play does not sound compatible with grinding a lot of arena to get champs. Getting the 3 star champ via arena is a very new concept still and was never there for years. It is fine if you want to play the game this way, it is your game. But you must also realise that the game has to move on somewhat and that you cannot stay within the first half year of normal progression and be included in everything.
Are we going to have any post saying how the milestones will scale from the devs? Really hope we do so that we can atleast plan our runs.
What do you even mean when you say "planning our run"? This is arena, not a legends run. You go in, do three fights, get a new team. Rinse and repeat lol. What exactly are planning there?
I for myself just made my peace with the whole situation - i have to wait and see what kabam brings to the table, there are only a few days left. Until then i will enjoy the old system by grinding out everything one last time.
Are we going to have any post saying how the milestones will scale from the devs? Really hope we do so that we can atleast plan our runs.
What do you even mean when you say "planning our run"? This is arena, not a legends run. You go in, do three fights, get a new team. Rinse and repeat lol. What exactly are planning there?
I for myself just made my peace with the whole situation - i have to wait and see what kabam brings to the table, there are only a few days left. Until then i will enjoy the old system by grinding out everything one last time.
I will explain. Arena resets at 10.30 pm for my timezone. I can use my 6 stars 7 times if I play every time they reset. But it is very stressful and k work. In the current system I just need to do it 4 times to hit 12 mill with my roster. But in the new system I may need to use 6 stars even in the 6 star basic arena. Depending on the milestones I can decide where to use what champs and plan accordingly so I don't need to lose any sleep on the first day. I just like to plan ahead.
I always grind 640K for EVERY New Champ as a 3* to test them out & the 4* basic if I don't have them already or need a dupe, so now I'm hoping the milestone for the 3* and 4* (both Featured & Basic) aren't going to be TOO HIGH and less attainable...
That would be the opposite of a QOL change if I'm going to have to grind even more (kind of sounds like it) to get just the 3* so hopefully the milestones to get the 3* or 4* New Featured doesn't make it to where I can't even get a 3*, but I'm concerned of just that
Arena has been my favorite content as a collector of every new champ (3*) every time
If the milestones aren't attainable, I probably will just retire for the most part and I'm no whale but I am not f2p (I just spent $100 for Shang-Chi bundle and of course I didn't get him), so if it makes it harder to grind for AND GET the new Champs, there goes me spending $$$ and less $$$ to Kabam's income stream
I personally hate everything about this changes in arenas. The way it is now. Grinding out for the 3 star champ always is great even if I have the champ. The 4 star basic is sometimes hard to hit the high ones at 2.5 or higher. I'm not uncollected yet. That is the worst part. For the average player that just likes to collect champs and do some content. This is a bunch of garbage. Locking Summoner that are Conqueror and beyond out is total bull. I hate this. I know that 3 and 4 star champs will now be part of milestone. But as I am Conqueror only. I can't even do arenas at all other than summoner trial only. The the fact the top prise is a nexus 4 star is just awful crappie. So I can't even grind for the basic 4 star champ at all. Totally bummed out. It makes me want to just quit the game. I love playing. It is my outlet. My way of relaxing and that is being taken away from me.
Then push to becoming Uncollected.
I started playing Dec. 17, 2020 and got Uncollected by March 4th, 2021. Used only a bunch of 4-Stars I got from basic arena. Got Jubilee, Stryfe and Cable from featured arena when I was in beginners bracket. Good thing I pushed for Uncollected on time, never thought they'd lock out Conqueror and below from new arena update. Now I can easily target to either grind the milestones for 4-star basic champ or the 4-star featured new champ if I already have the 4-star basic champ. Atleast this change can force Conqueror and below to push for Uncollected much early when they have the skill to do it or even units to get the title.
I have been playing for a very long time almost 5 year I'm level 60 conqueror. I personally don't want to be pushed to be uncollected. I can do some content and spend 2 hours playing the lower-end stuff and be happy with that. I don't want to be forced to do anything. I like the game as it is now. I rank up my 2 3 and 4 stars. Just have to fun with the game. I love getting a new champ. It doesn't matter to me if it is 1 2 3 4 5 or even 6 star champ. I love being able to kinda play with that champ and see what happens even as a 3 star. I have a every champ at 3 star but 5 total the only ones I don't have are dragon man, hit monkey, immortal iron fist, og vision, and Mr negative. The only champion I don't at all are me negative, gold pool, platinum pool, Kang, Thanos, classic ultron.and weapon x. That is it. I.just want to collect the champs and play a little that is it.
I am Uncollected but YES TO THIS ^^^
I too have ALL but the unattainable "trophy" champs like Weapon X, Kang, Platpool etc (there are only 7 or 8 that I do not have in some form/rarity) and I love collecting EVERY new Featured every 2 weeks and that's my favorite part of the game honestly
I haven't even LOOKED at Story Quest since beating the Collector and have no real desire to because of the long quests and they aren't exactly easy for non-whales either
I feel like they might be phasing out the best part for you, me and others like us who enjoy collecting and playing and treating the game as the game it is........... I play for fun, not as a 2nd job because it's a game and I'm not going "Pro" in MCoC
I personally hate everything about this changes in arenas. The way it is now. Grinding out for the 3 star champ always is great even if I have the champ. The 4 star basic is sometimes hard to hit the high ones at 2.5 or higher. I'm not uncollected yet. That is the worst part. For the average player that just likes to collect champs and do some content. This is a bunch of garbage. Locking Summoner that are Conqueror and beyond out is total bull. I hate this. I know that 3 and 4 star champs will now be part of milestone. But as I am Conqueror only. I can't even do arenas at all other than summoner trial only. The the fact the top prise is a nexus 4 star is just awful crappie. So I can't even grind for the basic 4 star champ at all. Totally bummed out. It makes me want to just quit the game. I love playing. It is my outlet. My way of relaxing and that is being taken away from me.
Then push to becoming Uncollected.
I started playing Dec. 17, 2020 and got Uncollected by March 4th, 2021. Used only a bunch of 4-Stars I got from basic arena. Got Jubilee, Stryfe and Cable from featured arena when I was in beginners bracket. Good thing I pushed for Uncollected on time, never thought they'd lock out Conqueror and below from new arena update. Now I can easily target to either grind the milestones for 4-star basic champ or the 4-star featured new champ if I already have the 4-star basic champ. Atleast this change can force Conqueror and below to push for Uncollected much early when they have the skill to do it or even units to get the title.
I have been playing for a very long time almost 5 year I'm level 60 conqueror. I personally don't want to be pushed to be uncollected. I can do some content and spend 2 hours playing the lower-end stuff and be happy with that. I don't want to be forced to do anything. I like the game as it is now. I rank up my 2 3 and 4 stars. Just have to fun with the game. I love getting a new champ. It doesn't matter to me if it is 1 2 3 4 5 or even 6 star champ. I love being able to kinda play with that champ and see what happens even as a 3 star. I have a every champ at 3 star but 5 total the only ones I don't have are dragon man, hit monkey, immortal iron fist, og vision, and Mr negative. The only champion I don't at all are me negative, gold pool, platinum pool, Kang, Thanos, classic ultron.and weapon x. That is it. I.just want to collect the champs and play a little that is it.
I am Uncollected but YES TO THIS ^^^
I too have ALL but the unattainable "trophy" champs like Weapon X, Kang, Platpool etc (there are only 7 or 8 that I do not have in some form/rarity) and I love collecting EVERY new Featured every 2 weeks and that's my favorite part of the game honestly
I haven't even LOOKED at Story Quest since beating the Collector and have no real desire to because of the long quests and they aren't exactly easy for non-whales either
I feel like they might be phasing out the best part for you, me and others like us who enjoy collecting and playing and treating the game as the game it is........... I play for fun, not as a 2nd job because it's a game and I'm not going "Pro" in MCoC
Choosing to play like this is fine, since it is your game. But if you choose not to progress in the natural curve of the game you must accept that you will not be able to do all content that goes along with that curve. You don`t even know yet if the 3* in the new arena is easier or harder to get based on the new milestones. Maybe you can get them by milestone 5 and you only need to do 500k points, and with 4* which will make it much much easier to get. We simply do not know yet. I get what you are saying, althou I do not agree you can only do the content easily if you are not a whale. I haven`t spend in the past 2 years and I have done atleast an initial run of all content quite decently. Longer fights might not be your cup of tea and I get that. But Uncollected is SO SO SO very easy to get these days. With the units you gain from getting the 3* champs from arena you might aswell kill that man. Since most of you will have some decent r4 5* and r1 6* gotten for basically free to do it with your eyes closed.
I am basically F2p (outside the £5 monthly unit card) and can’t wait for the changes.
I am a big arena grinder, but last 2-3 months have slowed down because 5* have so little value there is no need to do more than 15-20m for the shards and units. I literary only run my r3/r2 6* and it 2 days this gets the milestones in like 40 rounds
Now 6* feature and/or 6* basic gives purpose to spend the time grinding again..
FYI - I would not consider myself to have monster account, but do have 91 6* and 160+ 5* all r3 upwards
I am basically F2p (outside the £5 monthly unit card) and can’t wait for the changes.
I am a big arena grinder, but last 2-3 months have slowed down because 5* have so little value there is no need to do more than 15-20m for the shards and units. I literary only run my r3/r2 6* and it 2 days this gets the milestones in like 40 rounds
Now 6* feature and/or 6* basic gives purpose to spend the time grinding again..
FYI - I would not consider myself to have monster account, but do have 91 6* and 160+ 5* all r3 upwards
yeah im worried about how the milestones scale. I grind out the featured 5* and basic 4* arena milestones every week with little effort. I have only 65 6*. I get my units and bcs from hitting these milestones week in week out. Now if the milestones require me to be in 3 arenas in once, it will be annoying. I do hope the milestones are in the same ballpark, i could care less about the champs, i just want the milestones and the shards.
I am basically F2p (outside the £5 monthly unit card) and can’t wait for the changes.
I am a big arena grinder, but last 2-3 months have slowed down because 5* have so little value there is no need to do more than 15-20m for the shards and units. I literary only run my r3/r2 6* and it 2 days this gets the milestones in like 40 rounds
Now 6* feature and/or 6* basic gives purpose to spend the time grinding again..
FYI - I would not consider myself to have monster account, but do have 91 6* and 160+ 5* all r3 upwards
That's a monster account
This is whole point.. it’s baby account when your talking grinding at top end
I’ve got no problem grinding the arenas, my only concern is how the matchmaking turns out. I’m not a great player by any means, so I don’t relish the idea of death matches at round 10.
I remember the short lived changes that were introduced last year. In the uproar that followed, people emphasised that arenas should be a casual pursuit that could be completed without a massive time and effort commitment. I really hope Kabam learned from that.
People simply grinding for a 5* are going to have to compete with whales grinding for the 6*. I don't understand how Kabam thought this was a good idea.
Who do you think they are competing against now? Right now only a small number of people even attempt to go for the 5* featured. Everyone else just stops when they are safely past the 1-5% mark (about 22 million). There is a gigantic drop off in scoring from 301 to 1-5%. In the new arena there will be 500 spots for either 5* or 6* featured. How many people right now are not going for the featured 5*, but would go for the featured 6*? I'm guessing not a lot. Even so, there will still be more people getting the 5* featured than before (400 vs 300).
On top of that, there's the basic arena. Right now 300 people get the featured 5* every cycle. In the new arenas 1000 people will be getting either the 5* or the 6* featured or basic. Do you think there's 700 people sitting on the sidelines now capable of grinding for a 6* champion but just not bothering to even attempt to get the 5* now? That seems unlikely to me.
If you had any shot at all at getting the 5* featured now, you'll still have a shot at getting either the 5* or 6* featured or the 5* or 6* basic. There's so many more opportunities across both arenas, and no huge reservoir of players capable of competing for those spots. My guess is this will bring *some* players out of the woodwork, but probably not 700 more on top of the 300 that have already been grinding away.
What will be really interesting to see is how the jockeying between arenas goes. If you think you won't make top 100 in the featured, do you shift to go for the 6* basic? How does that shifting affect the 5* featured scores? Does that make the 5* featured a little easier to get? What will the cut off be for the 5* basic?
I don't think this is necessarily true. 5* featured cutoffs have been quite low since the change to how many people get the champ. I think this has a lot to do with both the increase in champs rewarded but also that 5*s are now longer the most relevant rarity at the top end of the game.
I'm guessing being able to get new 6*s through arena will bring back a lot of accounts (I say accounts not players bc we all know plenty will be using arena mercs) that have been ignoring these arenas for quite a while. That influx of players pushing in that arena and going for considerably higher scores for the 6* than are currently being put up for the 5* could potentially push the cutoff for the 5* considerably higher IMO. That has the possibility of raising cutoffs outside the realistic abilities of some people that are currently able to get the featured 5*.
This is all just potential and guesses obviously, but I just don't think it's as black and white as saying if you're able to compete for the 5* now, you'll be able to compete for the 5/6* in the new arena.
As I said, my guess is this will bring some players out of the woodwork, but probably not 700 more on top of the 300 that have already been grinding away.
I should expand on this logic. Arena grinders quickly figure out at least some general idea of where scores will land. They aren't always right, but that's irrelevant: the important thing is that most arena grinders *think* they know approximately where scores will land.
There's going to be 100 spots for 6* champs in each arena, 200 total. The people actually competing for those spots are going to figure out, fairly quickly, what the cut of score for champs is going to be, roughly. Everyone who thinks they have a shot at the cutoff will go for it. Everyone who doesn't will not even try. Those people are now confronted with basically the same choice they have now: go for 5*, or just shoot for 1-5% (if you can't even get 1-5% now, you are irrelevant to the cut of scores for the new arenas).
If there's going to be 100 spots, I don't expect more than 150 people actually shooting for it. There's almost always going to be that heartbreaking guy that finishes 101 or 102, but there is simply not going to be 200 people with super high scores. We know this because of how the arenas work now. Number 105 might try again harder next time. Number 198 is not going to try harder, he's going to figure it is not worth it and either try less hard for the 5*, or not even try at all and just grab the top 1-5% rank reward (this is a bit of an oversimplification: #198 might try harder next time, but he or she is only going to try harder so many times before they realize it is hopeless and give up, at least temporarily).
The vast overwhelming majority of people who will be willing to settle for 5* in the new arenas would be shooting for them now. It is illogical to assume there's a lot of people who don't want to put in 50 million for the 5* today, but would be willing to put in 50 million for the 5* once 6* champs are also added. As long as there are less than 300 such lunatics that exist, it the overall impact will be for 5* champs to be slightly easier to get in the new configuration.
Incidentally, I got Silver Centurion for 31.6 million in round two. He went for over 40 million in round one. There's lots of potential reasons for this, but the theory that makes the most sense that I've heard is that ArenaKnight posted scores late for round one, which means a lot of people did not have any idea what he went for in round one. Without that information, many people simply decided to sit out round two because they didn't have a good target to aim for. And all it takes is literally a couple dozen people to sit out for the cut off to plummet, because just under those people is no one else. Almost no one aims for high thirties when that's overkill for 1-5% but not generally enough for a new champ. That "depletion zone" is why I think we are unlikely to see a lot more than the 100 6* spots shooting for higher scores. A little more than that, but not a lot more. People know, or at least think they know, what to shoot for and when to not try. When the herd is wildly wrong, you get wonky low scores.
(Why did I score 31.6 million, when no one should be at that time? I was doing a scoring experiment. It was a complete coincidence I scored exceptionally high at the exact moment less than the normal group of players shot for the champ.)
I think you're underestimating the number of accounts that will be brought back into the fold just based on what I've seen in my last couple of years being pretty competitive in AQ ranks. Certainly any prestige shifting champ will likely have a massive influx of people going for them, unless I'm also underestimating how many people are just willing to roll with the increased drop rates to cav crystals.
Again, I'm aware this is all speculation but I still don't see this change as being particularly good for your average player at all.
Until the players see the actual arena reward tables, it will be hard to determine what the full impact on the average player will be. I have my suspicions, but I can't state them at the moment. But in terms of the 6* basic/featured, or even the 5* basic/featured, no average player is, or ever was, in the running for those. Not now, not later. None of the above conversation has anything to do with them at all.
Average players are going to get rewards below the 1-5% rank (by definition), and unlikely to even be sweeping all the milestones either. So whether they will do better in the new configuration than the old one depends greatly on what they are attempting to do now, and what that level of effort translates into in the new arenas.
Its really hard to judge how the changes will turn out until we actually see them in play, but I think the main concern is that Mercs are going to be all over this.
And there we have it. 2 6 Star Arenas, both with top milestone at 16.5 Million. How am i supposed to get everything now? Not a good change imo, went exactly as expected. Thanks for nothing kabam.
I’m so confused as to how to prioritise the two main arenas. Is everyone going to complete basic first and then proceed to featured or how? (Not asking to steal the strategies 👀)
And there we have it. 2 6 Star Arenas, both with top milestone at 16.5 Million. How am i supposed to get everything now? Not a good change imo, went exactly as expected. Thanks for nothing kabam.
Wow. I had hoped for positive change but this is shockingly tone-deaf.
Both new 6* arenas require 16.5 millions points to get all milestones - unless scoring for 5* and 6* champs have increased, that's 33 million points required to get all milestones!
Compare that to 12 million for old 5* featured, 4 million for old 4* featured and 1.5MM for old 4* basic.
That is a huge jump just to get milestones. Even worse, players without large 6* rosters will hugely struggle to even get 1 6* arena milestone completion
Kabam, please let me know if I'm missing anything but this increases the grind, not make it easier!
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Cause by that time you don't have to compete for rank rewards for 4*, just hit the milestones and done, with this arena change.
A lot of people said Kabam is killing this game before, you're not the first. So I won't be surprised if you quit and come back a few years later with a lot of changes in the game but the game still goes on.
For example, the 4 star basic champion usually went for 2-2.5 mil. So they might have placed the champ at 3 mil milestone to have players grind a bit more, but have a sure shot at the champion.
Imagine playing MCOC for the first time, trying to farm units for the Collector, only to realize that you only have one arena to grind.
That being said, right now, I just hope the milestone grind won't be like 20 million per arena.
Because that alone put me off from grinding the 5 star arena... especially the first milestone being 250,000 points and the one afterwards being 1 million points.
Grinding the 4 star basic felt more quick to me and I'm really gonna miss that arena.
It is fine if you want to play the game this way, it is your game. But you must also realise that the game has to move on somewhat and that you cannot stay within the first half year of normal progression and be included in everything.
I for myself just made my peace with the whole situation - i have to wait and see what kabam brings to the table, there are only a few days left. Until then i will enjoy the old system by grinding out everything one last time.
That would be the opposite of a QOL change if I'm going to have to grind even more (kind of sounds like it) to get just the 3* so hopefully the milestones to get the 3* or 4* New Featured doesn't make it to where I can't even get a 3*, but I'm concerned of just that
Arena has been my favorite content as a collector of every new champ (3*) every time
If the milestones aren't attainable, I probably will just retire for the most part and I'm no whale but I am not f2p (I just spent $100 for Shang-Chi bundle and of course I didn't get him), so if it makes it harder to grind for AND GET the new Champs, there goes me spending $$$ and less $$$ to Kabam's income stream
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I too have ALL but the unattainable "trophy" champs like Weapon X, Kang, Platpool etc (there are only 7 or 8 that I do not have in some form/rarity) and I love collecting EVERY new Featured every 2 weeks and that's my favorite part of the game honestly
I haven't even LOOKED at Story Quest since beating the Collector and have no real desire to because of the long quests and they aren't exactly easy for non-whales either
I feel like they might be phasing out the best part for you, me and others like us who enjoy collecting and playing and treating the game as the game it is........... I play for fun, not as a 2nd job because it's a game and I'm not going "Pro" in MCoC
We simply do not know yet.
I get what you are saying, althou I do not agree you can only do the content easily if you are not a whale. I haven`t spend in the past 2 years and I have done atleast an initial run of all content quite decently.
Longer fights might not be your cup of tea and I get that. But Uncollected is SO SO SO very easy to get these days. With the units you gain from getting the 3* champs from arena you might aswell kill that man. Since most of you will have some decent r4 5* and r1 6* gotten for basically free to do it with your eyes closed.
I am a big arena grinder, but last 2-3 months have slowed down because 5* have so little value there is no need to do more than 15-20m for the shards and units. I literary only run my r3/r2 6* and it 2 days this gets the milestones in like 40 rounds
Now 6* feature and/or 6* basic gives purpose to spend the time grinding again..
FYI - I would not consider myself to have monster account, but do have 91 6* and 160+ 5* all r3 upwards
I grind out the featured 5* and basic 4* arena milestones every week with little effort. I have only 65 6*. I get my units and bcs from hitting these milestones week in week out. Now if the milestones require me to be in 3 arenas in once, it will be annoying. I do hope the milestones are in the same ballpark, i could care less about the champs, i just want the milestones and the shards.
I remember the short lived changes that were introduced last year. In the uproar that followed, people emphasised that arenas should be a casual pursuit that could be completed without a massive time and effort commitment. I really hope Kabam learned from that.
Average players are going to get rewards below the 1-5% rank (by definition), and unlikely to even be sweeping all the milestones either. So whether they will do better in the new configuration than the old one depends greatly on what they are attempting to do now, and what that level of effort translates into in the new arenas.
(Not asking to steal the strategies 👀)
Both new 6* arenas require 16.5 millions points to get all milestones - unless scoring for 5* and 6* champs have increased, that's 33 million points required to get all milestones!
Compare that to 12 million for old 5* featured, 4 million for old 4* featured and 1.5MM for old 4* basic.
That is a huge jump just to get milestones. Even worse, players without large 6* rosters will hugely struggle to even get 1 6* arena milestone completion
Kabam, please let me know if I'm missing anything but this increases the grind, not make it easier!