Sandbagging could be solved by requiring players to draft at least one champ from each rarity in their deck into a match.
Dr. Zola
I don't see how that would change Sandbagging.
Forcing accounts to use the lower rarity champs they fill the bottom of their decks with wouldn’t discourage sandbagging?
Dr. Zola
If you're asking Players to use at least one, that wouldn't stop them from using a majority of them to trip up the system. Anywhere people can devise an unfair advantage, they will.
Sandbagging could be solved by requiring players to draft at least one champ from each rarity in their deck into a match.
Dr. Zola
I don't see how that would change Sandbagging.
Forcing accounts to use the lower rarity champs they fill the bottom of their decks with wouldn’t discourage sandbagging?
Dr. Zola
If you're asking Players to use at least one, that wouldn't stop them from using a majority of them to trip up the system. Anywhere people can devise an unfair advantage, they will.
Then require them to use more than one if they have more than one in their deck. Players bring a 1* champ in their deck, they fight a match with that champ.
This topic has been beaten to death by both sides. Frankly, the only worrisome thing is a Kabam mod hasnt cared enough to even chip in.... once. multiple long threads with hundreds of comments, and not a SINGLE mod comment. Thats the worrisome part.
Technically they did do one extremely vague comment about always looking at making matchmaking better. The comment was made on a post from last season and only after several of us kept tagging the mods until we got a response but the response wasn't overly useful and nothing again since despite so much constant activity on the topic.
Well then, let me rephrase. I am surprised the game team has nothing to add to this. I'm sure the mods would have taken the complaints to the game team to work on.
They probably did.. and the devs probably are thinking the same as some players... Why would a lower roster get the same rewards as a strong roster by getting easier or even matches...
We can't assume they have done anything based on their one and only extremely vague response which is why these posts and comments on this topic need to continue.
When the weaker accounts were complaining about sandbagging and then the pause and time out strategy, moderators were quick to respond and Inform the community that they were addressing the issue with the game team.
Those issues only effected the lower players and mods were quick to address them and inform community they were trying to get resolution. That's part of why this current situation is aggravating as we haven't got any such acknowledgement.
I can't help but feel and assume that they are doing what we see sometimes, which is just ignore the community in hopes people give up and stop complaining. I hope I'm wrong on my current assumption, but until I hear something different, then it's the only thing I can assume.
Sandbagging was a douche move from stronger rosters... The pause thing... Was a douche move from some players... But u gotta admit that they can't be catering to lower ends constantly.. specially when they are "Taking advantage of the game itself". What do i mean by that?.. U have cavs saying "ohh im cavallier i shouldnt have to face TB and Paragon"..meanwhile they have 5 r3s 🤣 I understand what you are saying; but constantly catering to the lower end makes the game dull...
Maybe your new to this conversation but what your telling me right now is what I've been saying since season 1.
I just replied to your comment, i was actually making a point about the Devs ignoring it... I don't think a lot of people understand the Roles of Kabam employees on the forum... They ask for answers and updates... Well Jax and Mike are in charge of the social media part... If there is something to address take it to the devs; but they won't be pestering the devs everyday about it as much as players want...its not their job.. they are a proxy between the player and other departments... U may ask 100 times a question they will only ask the devs 1 time.. and if there is no answer.. they won't be here trying to make u feel better..
The data from last season will be screwy because it needed too much skill.
This nuke meta is probably more representative of average players using champs in an average way.
I hope there is change but I'm not hopeful they will get it right without screwing some of the playerbase over, no one should be disadvantaged by anything other than the RNG we are subjected to everywhere else ingame.
For the record, I am happy with completely random matchmaking within the tier from day one, it is the only way to remove any unintended consequence from meddling with the algorithm.
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
Then it was broken last season. You are competing for same rewards as everyone else, why should you only face weaker rosters and end up with better rewards than stronger rosters without ever having to face them? That's beyond entitled.
haha funny asf that u think it was broken because i also have 5 stars in my deck and i made it to gamma for the past two seasons and talking about facing stronger opponents i have faced strong opponents with full 6 stars in a deck but if u use perfect counters and good defenders its possible i have taken and also beaten many big accounts however dont say that the matchmaking was broken as it is entirely possible to do so
Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?
So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌
Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks
Then it was broken last season. You are competing for same rewards as everyone else, why should you only face weaker rosters and end up with better rewards than stronger rosters without ever having to face them? That's beyond entitled.
haha funny asf that u think it was broken because i also have 5 stars in my deck and i made it to gamma for the past two seasons and talking about facing stronger opponents i have faced strong opponents with full 6 stars in a deck but if u use perfect counters and good defenders its possible i have taken and also beaten many big accounts however dont say that the matchmaking was broken as it is entirely possible to do so
Your response doesn't really go with what I've been saying. I'm saying it's broken based on nothing other than what tier your are in should have any role in matchmaking (ie anyone from gold 3 should be able to face anyone from gold 3) and pi and prestige should ay no role in a competitive BG system with rank rewards where we compete for same rewards.
If people with 5 stars in their BG deck are making it to GC while many with all r3 and r4 6 stars in their deck are stuck in bronze, silver and gold, then matchmaking is clearly broken as players are being rewarded for having weaker rosters and avoiding rankups.
What are Paragons still doing in Silver and Gold??? I imagined that after a whole week they would be out of the VT, or at least in Diamond.. I think that matchmaking should check first matching titles and after that the average hero rating of the first 10 champions in the BG deck!! Current matchmaking is very bad....
What are Paragons still doing in Silver and Gold??? I imagined that after a whole week they would be out of the VT, or at least in Diamond.. I think that matchmaking should check first matching titles and after that the average hero rating of the first 10 champions in the BG deck!! Current matchmaking is very bad....
sigh... first 10 champ rating = encouraging sandbagging
I thought about it the wrong way lol it doesn't encourage sandbagging. But someone with 10 or 7 or x r3's and rest r2/5r5 will get matches with someone with full r3 deck. Also doesn't seem fair.
If you had read the whole discussion you would know it isn't a simple problem to solve.
Any rigged matchmaking (top 5, top 10, top 20) champs will have some problems and people will abuse such system. That is why there was a sandbaging. Sandbaging was an effect of matchmaking based on deck strength. Right now we got other rigged matchmaking based on prestige. Funny that in competitive mode smaller accounts cannot compete with bigger accounts in VT (if they not have top prestige). They are protected from competition in competitive mode . Ofc they will be slaughtered otherwise. Oh Kabam
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I don't think a lot of people understand the Roles of Kabam employees on the forum... They ask for answers and updates... Well Jax and Mike are in charge of the social media part... If there is something to address take it to the devs; but they won't be pestering the devs everyday about it as much as players want...its not their job.. they are a proxy between the player and other departments...
U may ask 100 times a question they will only ask the devs 1 time.. and if there is no answer.. they won't be here trying to make u feel better..
I don't think they can reply anything, I'm sure this is being discussed behind the scenes.
But keep posting.
This nuke meta is probably more representative of average players using champs in an average way.
I hope there is change but I'm not hopeful they will get it right without screwing some of the playerbase over, no one should be disadvantaged by anything other than the RNG we are subjected to everywhere else ingame.
For the record, I am happy with completely random matchmaking within the tier from day one, it is the only way to remove any unintended consequence from meddling with the algorithm.
If people with 5 stars in their BG deck are making it to GC while many with all r3 and r4 6 stars in their deck are stuck in bronze, silver and gold, then matchmaking is clearly broken as players are being rewarded for having weaker rosters and avoiding rankups.
I think that matchmaking should check first matching titles and after that the average hero rating of the first 10 champions in the BG deck!!
Current matchmaking is very bad....
If you had read the whole discussion you would know it isn't a simple problem to solve.
Funny that in competitive mode smaller accounts cannot compete with bigger accounts in VT (if they not have top prestige). They are protected from competition in competitive mode