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2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them
3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff
4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take
5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often.
6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
"You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health." These are extremely easy to play around as iDoom. You lose your first armor buff, then you just eat the nullify with dexterity before your next armor up. Again, trying to make an argument out of nothing.
"You didn't even include shock immune champions" he didn't have to, Peni Parker synergy exists.
"Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all" Don't take a debuff heavy champ into these matchups?
I find it absolutely hilarious that you've spend this entire discussion post slamming extremely biased takes, then you have the audacity to say "When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind." to someone. Where exactly is your open mind with the numerous people that have given you solid points as to why he's good, and your responses against that consistently have only disagrees and VERY FEW agrees?
Idoom too reliant on Armor buff ,same issue with ghost armor break and no more phasing 🤦 but her armor nullify or remove is ok just don't get armor break, he's damn good for prestige and show off , might some find hard to kill him but for me he's over hyped. That's all . No hate to any champ except for Groot 🤣🤣🤣
Without armor what are his uses plz do share with us 🙂
Leave armor , debuff imunity node or shock imunity champs what he offere?? Without penny synergy just stand alone champ?..
Most of you ranked.up iDoom because of his prestige, and now you cry that he is not as good as Doom... a bunch of cry.babies
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
How many champions do you think are immune to debuffs? What is this stupid argument buddy.
I mean have to even played enough with Idoom or it is a side niche character for you or like a trophy champ. Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions. Scratch that, I have never complained about any character till now.
Idoom just isn't good value - he is suppose to be a tank but becomes a potato champion so easily. Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest. Does other champions lose there special attack value and basic attack value like him.
How many champions get countered by more than one class in MCOC?
The comparison you make to justify makes no sense. I am a fan of it's character design and attack animation, and even gameplay is cool. But to give him handycap accross so many situations.
You always have to play with a handycap with IDoom, which most characters doesn't fall under same bracket. And if you are skilled enough just dodge each and every scenario and still win. Then I don't see what value this characters add, very weak argument bro cause even characters in bottom tier can do the same and even they don't get countered so much.
Admittedly, its not been long and he has disappointed as a defender but exceeded expectation as an attacker. I use him on aq map 5, incursions threat 5 and 6 and thronebreaker eq. I do use him as secondary attacker because my Nimrod is still my primary but idoom covers a lot of the gaps in Nimrod's kit and both together are a potent combo.
Not top tier but definitely disagree with the statement that r2 omega sentinel is better.i have her as r3 too and still prefer idoom. He provided differentiation to my roster but wont ever be my primary tech ( neither will OS).
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
The only reason players have is because he is a Doom and people want Doom to be good. If Infamous Doom had instead been released as "Guardian 2099", players would initially complain about his Aura being turned off too easily, but then never use him outside of specific matchups. But the fact that this champion is a version of Doom, players want him to be something, and something they can use all over the place. But that is not a valid reason, it is just a desire.
A point I made previously is that Guardian has similar counters. Shock immune and debuff immune decrease his damage. Armor break, nullify, power snack all remove his damage output and utility. Guardian can still go through with those fights that counter him, but it would be better to take a different champion in as opposed to wishing that Guardian could handle those fights better. But because he is not "Guardian Doom", players aren't complaining about him needing fewer counters.
I was specifically responding to why saying it's how bad he gets neutered by nodes, which is why using specific nodes like debuff immune is fine. You don't get to change what you meant because I responded a certain way. I'm not "trying to make out" anything, you said what you said.
2. My argument for debuff immune was specifically in the context of someone saying it does not matter how many counters he has, just how countered he gets by them.
3. I have already told you in previous responses I have a R4 sig 200 iDoom that I use all of the time.
4. "Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions" in this thread no, what does that have to do with anything?
5. "Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest" believe it or not there's this neat thing you can do where you scout out a path on a quest to see if the champs you plan on taking might get countered during your quest. So yes, you can carry him and know if he'll be usable in it. I can assure you there are plenty of quests in the game where he can do 5-6 of the 6 fights on a path.
You keep arguing the same thing - that he isn't a good enough champ because he can't be brought into every scenario. Like dude, I can go back and see responses you've had that say "CGR without buffs is better than him." As if CGR without buffs does literally anything. You're purely biased towards wanting him to be this absolute god tier champ because you "main him", which he just isn't. People have already agreed with that. But that doesn't make him a bad champ and he's not going to get buffed because one or two people main him and think a few counters need to change.
How about go respond to calling out your random out of context points of 80 armor breaks or 32 nullifies or whatever. Or does that argument break down too when you take bias out of the equation? Dodging something like a defender armor break mechanic or buffet node isn't some super skillful thing. It's a base level of skill in this game and if your argument is that you should be able to avoid things that simple that I'm sorry, you just need to get better.
iDoom takes so many of the fights you're talking about with minimal effort on your part to bypass the counter mechanic. You saying he isn't a good champ because you don't get to just run in and brute force through any mechanic is just.. bad. You can say that about so many of the "good" champs in the game. MAYBE herc can do what you're wanting, but even that's a stretch. You legitimately just need to get better at the game.
The first statement was that he had too many counters in both cosmic and mystic classes when ideally a class should be counted by one class and then a free exceptions outside of that.
The second was the proliferation of nodesb that counter him especially in game nudes like aw.
The third was that the counters that so affect him, do so more than they would others with the same type of weakness (ie hit hard).
It had nothing to do with him being a doom.. Again you are projecting. It simply had to do with the fact that so much of his kit is tied to this one characteristic.
You mention guardian but i personally wasn't comparing them. I also think guardian is very limited outside of your average fight vs mutants for every similar reasons, though less of his utility is tied to his armor compared to iDoom (eg parrying non contact, power drain are still there with force field charges) there's still a lot that depends on it.
I was commenting on idoom's merits and faults by himself.. We could compare him to iron Patriot too if you like!
Infamous doom loses both his immunities, abs energy resistance, and his ability to use his aura without his armor up. He also loses his power burn which is what his entire kit is based off for damage. He also loses his regen (aside from the once under 15% one).
Guardian loses less without his armor up as he still has force field charges.
You make some relatively valid points, I've already argued most of these so at this point I really don't have it in me. But I was very clearly responding to a specific response you had, so maybe actually take that into account before calling someone out for not reading.
IDoom isn't that good, but he is really good at what he does. I have taken him in war everytime there are mutants on my path , even where the node is nullify and he gets one shots in Tier 4/5 wars.
He is different from Nimrod as in iDoom can take down some mutants much easily and reduces special damage.
He is definitely a top 5 tech champ.
Having said that , he is not r4 material, not yet anyways when the resources are scarce. IMO, OP is regretting his decision to r4 him and it is natural to feel disappointed when the champ isn't more than or equal to what he expected.