@SecondSkriller@ZeroFrostNinja i know what you mean his damage is crazy Mid but he has much control and high utility, you cant underestimate that, and i think the armor passive is a balancing you cant abuse him anymore on powersnack but he is still working and the duration is lowered. What i wanted to say is: I know many players [from germany😅] who ranked that zemo although they knew about an incoming nerf
And this one sounds dumb: but look at the long karatemike showcase He didnt use Zemo lock He did barely get more than 15 furys And he is destroying a lot of content and wars with him and used the kit like it would be in august
The only thing you cant do anymore is the powersnack
Yes you have to love him but his r5 is still debatable even without looking at the prestige🤷♂️🫡
@SecondSkriller@ZeroFrostNinja i know what you mean his damage is crazy Mid but he has much control and high utility, you cant underestimate that, and i think the armor passive is a balancing you cant abuse him anymore on powersnack but he is still working and the duration is lowered. What i wanted to say is: I know many players [from germany😅] who ranked that zemo although they knew about an incoming nerf
And this one sounds dumb: but look at the long karatemike showcase He didnt use Zemo lock He did barely get more than 15 furys And he is destroying a lot of content and wars with him and used the kit like it would be in august
The only thing you cant do anymore is the powersnack
Yes you have to love him but his r5 is still debatable even without looking at the prestige🤷♂️🫡
You can’t do powersnack anymore anyway, because of the root nerf. The armor being gone is just something they initially wanted to implement to combat the lock in places like gauntlet against Piggy
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo(6*r3 was gonna take him to r4 but ig not now)
It is impossible to do at lower ranks because the combat power rate increase from higher ranks is necessary for Zemo to perform that lock.
I could do about 3 cycles of root with my r4, but inwas using a zemo lock in bgs When the opponent was down to like 50% Ide double root them, and was able to when they got to 3 bars of power, ide finish it off 2nd root.. cant no more, that's the nerf for me
Stacking his synergies straight into the kit would be insane! I would be very happy we germans love that dude ^^
I wont rank him down anyway but i hope there will be a buff or rdt/ compensation
Oh so you agree? Nice, yeah, that’s what I would love, but just the bleed one, so basically reduce his max bleeds from 99 to 60 and it’s done, you can stack them in 2 sp2 rotations which is still 10 bars of power that need to be spent… quite the ramp up
I dont care that much about the bleed damage i would like to see the phoenix syn in his kit hahah because with deep wounds everything is fine for me also as a defender
I also thought about raising the potency of his debuffs
@Kabam Miike start working ma boy and give us something to smile about
I feel like this will be a situation of, "i can't let the player base win on this one" (the ones who fund my wages), over what's morally, the right thing to do..
Someone once said you’re Karatemike’s alt account, would be funny if it was true and you’re fighting for your Zemo lol, but even if the contrary is true, I still appreciate your feedback
I don’t follow the argument that “he was clearly broken, you should have known it wouldn’t last” for several reasons:
1. Root had worked that way for over a year with Kraven so there was no reason to assume root wasn’t working as intended.
2. They released 3 more champs that root the defender after Kraven which means the design team had to be playing with root a lot to develop and balance those champs and there was no indication given with any of those champ releases that root wasn’t working the way they wanted.
3. Zemo’s rebalance update mentioned nothing about this change.
4. CCP members who are basically unpaid promotional staff for Kabam highlighted this play style. I’m not saying Kabam is responsible for all of their content but if your promo folks are promoting exploiting a “bug” then I think Kabam had a duty to step in and let the CCP folks know it wasn’t intended and was going to be changed.
I don’t see how you can consider all 4 of those points and still think the average player should have known they were going to change the mechanic or change Zemo.
I don’t follow the argument that “he was clearly broken, you should have known it wouldn’t last” for several reasons:
1. Root had worked that way for over a year with Kraven so there was no reason to assume root wasn’t working as intended.
2. They released 3 more champs that root the defender after Kraven which means the design team had to be playing with root a lot to develop and balance those champs and there was no indication given with any of those champ releases that root wasn’t working the way they wanted.
3. Zemo’s rebalance update mentioned nothing about this change.
4. CCP members who are basically unpaid promotional staff for Kabam highlighted this play style. I’m not saying Kabam is responsible for all of their content but if your promo folks are promoting exploiting a “bug” then I think Kabam had a duty to step in and let the CCP folks know it wasn’t intended and was going to be changed.
I don’t see how you can consider all 4 of those points and still think the average player should have known they were going to change the mechanic or change Zemo.
I think the key argument, is mainly around zemos balance update.. imagine if kabam put a note on zemos saying "root is still being looking into though, please read the trello board" with a link to it there.. that then would have made kabams life so much easier and made them so much more transparent..! But no, the balance update was before the July 4th deals, and they knew people would spend for zemo.. then after July 4th this is implemented.. Not transparent at all Ps: this is how it feels to us player base
I just don’t subscribe to the idea that my rank 5 Zemo against matchups that are supposed to make his damage skyrocket still gets beaten by rank 4 Kate.
I don’t follow the argument that “he was clearly broken, you should have known it wouldn’t last” for several reasons:
1. Root had worked that way for over a year with Kraven so there was no reason to assume root wasn’t working as intended.
2. They released 3 more champs that root the defender after Kraven which means the design team had to be playing with root a lot to develop and balance those champs and there was no indication given with any of those champ releases that root wasn’t working the way they wanted.
3. Zemo’s rebalance update mentioned nothing about this change.
4. CCP members who are basically unpaid promotional staff for Kabam highlighted this play style. I’m not saying Kabam is responsible for all of their content but if your promo folks are promoting exploiting a “bug” then I think Kabam had a duty to step in and let the CCP folks know it wasn’t intended and was going to be changed.
I don’t see how you can consider all 4 of those points and still think the average player should have known they were going to change the mechanic or change Zemo.
I think the key argument, is mainly around zemos balance update.. imagine if kabam put a note on zemos saying "root is still being looking into though, please read the trello board" with a link to it there.. that then would have made kabams life so much easier and made them so much more transparent..! But no, the balance update was before the July 4th deals, and they knew people would spend for zemo.. then after July 4th this is implemented.. Not transparent at all Ps: this is how it feels to us player base
If Kabam had done this I don't think this many people would be demanding rank down tickets either. A lot of people (me included) took Zemo up after his balance update thinking that would be the final state of his kit. If his root was under scrutiny at the time and Kabam had mentioned the Trello ticket in their update I would have waited a bit longer to see what happens instead of pulling the trigger and taking him up.
I agree with you @SecondSkriller that, at least after 2 nerfs Kabam should give him a tune up in some places to compensate (bleed potency, reduce the rooted defender power rate more, increase the root time so you can stack more bleeds)
Kabam does not like the cheese things, so until a certain point I understand his point in the infinite root lock, but I feel that it is a very significant change for at least give the oportunity to players to decide if they want to keep it at R5 or use the resources in another champ.
I have mine at r5 and for sure I would use that t6cc in Valkyrie or Kate probably.
I agree with you @SecondSkriller that, at least after 2 nerfs Kabam should give him a tune up in some places to compensate (bleed potency, reduce the rooted defender power rate more, increase the root time so you can stack more bleeds)
Kabam does not like the cheese things, so until a certain point I understand his point in the infinite root lock, but I feel that it is a very significant change for at least give the oportunity to players to decide if they want to keep it at R5 or use the resources in another champ.
I have mine at r5 and for sure I would use that t6cc in Valkyrie or Kate probably.
I agree, if Kabam isn't going to give RDTs then giving Zemo a tune up would be the best course of action. Increasing his damage output in short-medium fights would definitely help. Maybe replacing his 50% passive deaccelerate with a 100% passive slow would speed his ramp up and make him a reliable option that people could actively pick over other skill champs in evade and unstoppable matchups.
I agree with you @SecondSkriller that, at least after 2 nerfs Kabam should give him a tune up in some places to compensate (bleed potency, reduce the rooted defender power rate more, increase the root time so you can stack more bleeds)
Kabam does not like the cheese things, so until a certain point I understand his point in the infinite root lock, but I feel that it is a very significant change for at least give the oportunity to players to decide if they want to keep it at R5 or use the resources in another champ.
I have mine at r5 and for sure I would use that t6cc in Valkyrie or Kate probably.
Yeah, I’m ok with root lock being gone but now they should give him a proper tune up to compensate since I’m sure the design team was basing his damage on the ability to lock… as much as they don’t want to admit it, same for the rebalance, that’s all cool if he can still root lock but now that that’s nerfed the tune down better be a rebalance instead, aiming to decrease his cheesing and increase his damage which is sub par at the moment.
I sure hope you guys are still going to reply to this @Kabam Miike
That would be nice, but I think he already said all that he would say as an official response. Moving forward, this thread will peter out and stop bumping with replies. In a week or two, they'll dangle and/or bungle the next shiny. We'll either move on from Zemo or we won't and for what the few people that don't will amount to, Kabam technically could care less, but that would take effort and that goes against the whole idea of not caring. At least until the Kraven RDTs come out, then the Zemo subject will have a brief bump that Kabam will studiously ignore.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
I sure hope you guys are still going to reply to this @Kabam Miike
That would be nice, but I think he already said all that he would say as an official response. Moving forward, this thread will peter out and stop bumping with replies. In a week or two, they'll dangle and/or bungle the next shiny. We'll either move on from Zemo or we won't and for what the few people that don't will amount to, Kabam technically could care less, but that would take effort and that goes against the whole idea of not caring. At least until the Kraven RDTs come out, then the Zemo subject will have a brief bump that Kabam will studiously ignore.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
If they want to not give out any tickets for Zemo then I’ll take a tune up and I think many people that ranked Zemo would say the same
Doesn't impact me but hope the guys get the tickets for the two champs. It's not going to break the economy but communication could have been better with this. With the amount going wrong, may go a long way to do right by the player base. They are newer champs so impact should be relatively now.
I sure hope you guys are still going to reply to this @Kabam Miike
That would be nice, but I think he already said all that he would say as an official response. Moving forward, this thread will peter out and stop bumping with replies. In a week or two, they'll dangle and/or bungle the next shiny. We'll either move on from Zemo or we won't and for what the few people that don't will amount to, Kabam technically could care less, but that would take effort and that goes against the whole idea of not caring. At least until the Kraven RDTs come out, then the Zemo subject will have a brief bump that Kabam will studiously ignore.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
I still have a little hope but if we don’t hear anything today I’ll assume your prediction is going to play out. Hopefully, if nothing else, they really do learn from this and improve. It’s going to cast a shadow on the rebalance updates for a while either way.
I sure hope you guys are still going to reply to this @Kabam Miike
That would be nice, but I think he already said all that he would say as an official response. Moving forward, this thread will peter out and stop bumping with replies. In a week or two, they'll dangle and/or bungle the next shiny. We'll either move on from Zemo or we won't and for what the few people that don't will amount to, Kabam technically could care less, but that would take effort and that goes against the whole idea of not caring. At least until the Kraven RDTs come out, then the Zemo subject will have a brief bump that Kabam will studiously ignore.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
I still have a little hope but if we don’t hear anything today I’ll assume your prediction is going to play out. Hopefully, if nothing else, they really do learn from this and improve. It’s going to cast a shadow on the rebalance updates for a while either way.
Got no hope, they said what needed to be said.. this thread will either die or get closed ...
I sure hope you guys are still going to reply to this @Kabam Miike
That would be nice, but I think he already said all that he would say as an official response. Moving forward, this thread will peter out and stop bumping with replies. In a week or two, they'll dangle and/or bungle the next shiny. We'll either move on from Zemo or we won't and for what the few people that don't will amount to, Kabam technically could care less, but that would take effort and that goes against the whole idea of not caring. At least until the Kraven RDTs come out, then the Zemo subject will have a brief bump that Kabam will studiously ignore.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
I still have a little hope but if we don’t hear anything today I’ll assume your prediction is going to play out. Hopefully, if nothing else, they really do learn from this and improve. It’s going to cast a shadow on the rebalance updates for a while either way.
Got no hope, they said what needed to be said.. this thread will either die or get closed ...
At this point I'm just planning the best way to say "Remember what happened with Zemo?" every time anyone defense Kabam's ability to compensate the community for their failures. At least every other time there was a genuine argument to be made that they did their best. Now? Yikes.
I sure hope you guys are still going to reply to this @Kabam Miike
That would be nice, but I think he already said all that he would say as an official response. Moving forward, this thread will peter out and stop bumping with replies. In a week or two, they'll dangle and/or bungle the next shiny. We'll either move on from Zemo or we won't and for what the few people that don't will amount to, Kabam technically could care less, but that would take effort and that goes against the whole idea of not caring. At least until the Kraven RDTs come out, then the Zemo subject will have a brief bump that Kabam will studiously ignore.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
I still have a little hope but if we don’t hear anything today I’ll assume your prediction is going to play out. Hopefully, if nothing else, they really do learn from this and improve. It’s going to cast a shadow on the rebalance updates for a while either way.
Got no hope, they said what needed to be said.. this thread will either die or get closed ...
At this point I'm just planning the best way to say "Remember what happened with Zemo?" every time anyone defense Kabam's ability to compensate the community for their failures. At least every other time there was a genuine argument to be made that they did their best. Now? Yikes.
Forreal. I was super stoked about Zemo at r5 as well, because my one and only 6* relic was Valkyrie who at the time I had no clue who to use it on (still don't have Valk as a 6*), and so finding out he benefitted greatly was awesome. Now? Meh.
This thread was really just hypin' me up to r5 Kate at this point.
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And this one sounds dumb: but look at the long karatemike showcase
He didnt use Zemo lock
He did barely get more than 15 furys
And he is destroying a lot of content and wars with him and used the kit like it would be in august
The only thing you cant do anymore is the powersnack
Yes you have to love him but his r5 is still debatable even without looking at the prestige🤷♂️🫡
I wont rank him down anyway but i hope there will be a buff or rdt/ compensation
When the opponent was down to like 50%
Ide double root them, and was able to when they got to 3 bars of power, ide finish it off 2nd root.. cant no more, that's the nerf for me
I also thought about raising the potency of his debuffs
I hope they dont close this
1. Root had worked that way for over a year with Kraven so there was no reason to assume root wasn’t working as intended.
2. They released 3 more champs that root the defender after Kraven which means the design team had to be playing with root a lot to develop and balance those champs and there was no indication given with any of those champ releases that root wasn’t working the way they wanted.
3. Zemo’s rebalance update mentioned nothing about this change.
4. CCP members who are basically unpaid promotional staff for Kabam highlighted this play style. I’m not saying Kabam is responsible for all of their content but if your promo folks are promoting exploiting a “bug” then I think Kabam had a duty to step in and let the CCP folks know it wasn’t intended and was going to be changed.
I don’t see how you can consider all 4 of those points and still think the average player should have known they were going to change the mechanic or change Zemo.
Adolf Zemo
Not transparent at all
Ps: this is how it feels to us player base
There’s definetly an imbalance here :,)
Kabam does not like the cheese things, so until a certain point I understand his point in the infinite root lock, but I feel that it is a very significant change for at least give the oportunity to players to decide if they want to keep it at R5 or use the resources in another champ.
I have mine at r5 and for sure I would use that t6cc in Valkyrie or Kate probably.
I could be wrong at how this will play out, but I don't think I will be.
This thread was really just hypin' me up to r5 Kate at this point.