I offered a logical perspective. If you're going to respond in such a way, then you're not being constructive here at all.
Where do you rate Dani moonstar among 2023 released champs? According to me she is in the bottom 2 and kabam had chance to correct it, make her better and they ruined it. I am more pissed with rebalancing than with Dani moonstar.
First of all, I don't rate Champs. I think that's not a holistic way to look at them. Secondly, if I did, does it look like I agree with her being in the bottom 2? I have her R5, and I used a Gem on her. Either people are not using her correctly, or they're too critical with their assessments.
A lot went on here. It was especially wild to see someone talking like they knew zemo better than karatemike, the guy who I'm pretty sure knows and plays zemo better than anyone.
For my part I couldn't care less if Dani doesn't have the damage of onslaught. Her animations are awesome and playing her feels so smooth, and that's all I really care about because this is a game that I play to enjoy myself. If you don't like a champ, don't play them. But don't expect every champ to have the same playing experience or damage output.
I offered a logical perspective. If you're going to respond in such a way, then you're not being constructive here at all.
Where do you rate Dani moonstar among 2023 released champs? According to me she is in the bottom 2 and kabam had chance to correct it, make her better and they ruined it. I am more pissed with rebalancing than with Dani moonstar.
First of all, I don't rate Champs. I think that's not a holistic way to look at them. Secondly, if I did, does it look like I agree with her being in the bottom 2? I have her R5, and I used a Gem on her. Either people are not using her correctly, or they're too critical with their assessments.
Or maybe she's just not good enough to be a top pick then the other top 10 mutants exist? Lol
Here’s a R5 Dani vs R5 onslaught. I managed to get a faster time with Dani, does that mean onslaught needs tuning up?
Damage comparisons in RoL are probably the last place you should look for evidence of a need for rebalancing
No, it means Dani needs tuning up, especially since to get that time your Dani crit on her sp2. Her crit chance is 18% so that’s 1 out of 5 matchups where it crits.
And I got this time without the crit on the last hit of the special. So 58 seconds is the cut off between being ok, but any more and they need a tune up?
And besides, using an insane damage champion like Onslaught as the bench mark? Why not go ahead and compare her utility to Hercules and say she sucks based on that too.
Both 2023 mutants, she should have had the damage, not him. He has the utility. The way I see it is that he offers much more but doesn’t have that much damage offensively and she is the offensive neuroshock powerhouse with much less utility.
How am I wrong?
Because that has not, and never will be the way the game works.
You don’t make one decision on a champ and only ever use them. Someone might not have onslaught, someone might want to use a mutant against Nick or Zemo (both of whom Dani is arguably better than Onslaught for).
Dani has utility Onslaught doesn’t, a very strong passive slow to deal with unstoppable and evade. Onslaught doesn’t deal with those. Dani heal blocks skill champs while neuro shocked, Onslaught doesn’t. Dani has a different form of damage than onslaught via special hits, occasionally useful. She has comparable damage to him for BGs.
I don’t think Dani is a better champ than onslaught. She doesn’t need to be. But damn some people on this forums are determined to prove (via RoL screenshots?) that Dani is the worst champ and it’s an insult she was ever dreamt up.
Some of you need to really just stop letting a champ design live rent free in your head. Dani isn’t meant to be a class defining champ like onslaught, and that’s fine. Use her for what she’s good for. Hell man, you’re taking 500k HP in a minute.
She is not good for anything.
Kabam designers wanted her to suck, they nailed everything needed for a bad champ.
They wanted their native mutant champ to suck and it matched with their expectations
What an inclusive way to make native champs suck.
I see 0 point in responding to questions you’ve asked, or points you’ve made when you’ve clearly made your mind up making reductive comments like these.
You’re not wanting a conversation, you’re wanting to rant. So feel free, but I’m not gonna help you.
Here’s a R5 Dani vs R5 onslaught. I managed to get a faster time with Dani, does that mean onslaught needs tuning up?
Damage comparisons in RoL are probably the last place you should look for evidence of a need for rebalancing
Other than damage Dani has a lot of problems. Her energy vulnerability is short, her slow is short and she is supposed to counter herc and nf and they can counter miss, which goes against her kit.
That being said, I think we should move on from Dani as her rebalancing is also done and she is still bad after that.
Kabam designers wanted her to suck, stressful gameplay and making her difficult to work against her best matchups, they nailed everything needed for a bad champ.
They wanted their native mutant champ to suck and it matched with their expectations, that is why her rebalancing is how it is. Nothing will change after her rebalancing none is gonna use her. I don't even see her vids in YouTube. None want to make content with her as well. What an inclusive way to make native champs suck.
That’s what I mean, I’m just not moving on so fast yet.
I offered a logical perspective. If you're going to respond in such a way, then you're not being constructive here at all.
Where do you rate Dani moonstar among 2023 released champs? According to me she is in the bottom 2 and kabam had chance to correct it, make her better and they ruined it. I am more pissed with rebalancing than with Dani moonstar.
First of all, I don't rate Champs. I think that's not a holistic way to look at them. Secondly, if I did, does it look like I agree with her being in the bottom 2? I have her R5, and I used a Gem on her. Either people are not using her correctly, or they're too critical with their assessments.
A lot went on here. It was especially wild to see someone talking like they knew zemo better than karatemike, the guy who I'm pretty sure knows and plays zemo better than anyone.
For my part I couldn't care less if Dani doesn't have the damage of onslaught. Her animations are awesome and playing her feels so smooth, and that's all I really care about because this is a game that I play to enjoy myself. If you don't like a champ, don't play them. But don't expect every champ to have the same playing experience or damage output.
Lol yeah, I do play Zemo just as much I’m sure. Regardless of your weird preconceptions.
Here’s a R5 Dani vs R5 onslaught. I managed to get a faster time with Dani, does that mean onslaught needs tuning up?
Damage comparisons in RoL are probably the last place you should look for evidence of a need for rebalancing
No, it means Dani needs tuning up, especially since to get that time your Dani crit on her sp2. Her crit chance is 18% so that’s 1 out of 5 matchups where it crits.
Nah, just take the L and move on.
You got served on page 1 and you're still crying lol.
Here’s a R5 Dani vs R5 onslaught. I managed to get a faster time with Dani, does that mean onslaught needs tuning up?
Damage comparisons in RoL are probably the last place you should look for evidence of a need for rebalancing
No, it means Dani needs tuning up, especially since to get that time your Dani crit on her sp2. Her crit chance is 18% so that’s 1 out of 5 matchups where it crits.
Nah, just take the L and move on.
You got served on page 1 and you're still crying lol.
Wow, aren’t you the one telling me to be respectful? Wonderful showcase, unfortunately there’s no real argument in your statement regarding Dani, maybe next time try to be more kind and stay on topic please.
My man skriller I need you to channel this energy into getting archangel fixed. His AAR immunity has been broken for a century at least
My man, fighting for AAs immunity since the birth of time... I'm with you forever on this journey.
... When it comes to Dani, I cannot stop hating on her, she was my first Titan pull and she is providing 100k arena points and nothing else. I don't even have a big account, but she doesn't even fit anywhere I need to bring her before other viable less damage but better champs.
Danielle MIDstar, nobody don't need to change my mind, Im biased and I hate her existence in the game.
I have Dani at r3 and love her. But yes, she is sorely lacking in almost every area for one of the newer champs. Neuroshock and Marked are her only positive gimmicks and even those don't save her from being Dani Midstar
This is where I’m at with her, she’s got insane animations and a fun play style… but almost 0 utility… and I say that because the things she does well other mutants do it better. I wanted to melt skill champs… Toad exists. I want damage from the mutant class… Colossys says Hi…. I want passive damage that melts all non robots…. There’s OR.
The one stand out ability she has is “marked” which would be great if Herc didn’t bypass miss. She needed something more than what she got in the rebalancing as a result. A way around miss counters. As such she probably stays at R1 for me, and I was definitely disappointed that she’s my only new champ out of a Titan crystal.
I’ll still play her time to time as she is just so fluid in animations it’s a pleasure, but in this game of rock, paper, scissors she seems more like a table.
A lot went on here. It was especially wild to see someone talking like they knew zemo better than karatemike, the guy who I'm pretty sure knows and plays zemo better than anyone.
For my part I couldn't care less if Dani doesn't have the damage of onslaught. Her animations are awesome and playing her feels so smooth, and that's all I really care about because this is a game that I play to enjoy myself. If you don't like a champ, don't play them. But don't expect every champ to have the same playing experience or damage output.
Lol yeah, I do play Zemo just as much I’m sure. Regardless of your weird preconceptions.
Oh, your right, I'm sorry. I forgot you're the one who does the deep dive videos, and has access to the content creator beta to play champs before they drop, and has uploaded hours and hours of quality zemo game play since his release - even when everyone was up in arms about his "nerf". Oh and I'm sure you've also soloed a bunch of necro fights with him as well.
A lot went on here. It was especially wild to see someone talking like they knew zemo better than karatemike, the guy who I'm pretty sure knows and plays zemo better than anyone.
For my part I couldn't care less if Dani doesn't have the damage of onslaught. Her animations are awesome and playing her feels so smooth, and that's all I really care about because this is a game that I play to enjoy myself. If you don't like a champ, don't play them. But don't expect every champ to have the same playing experience or damage output.
Lol yeah, I do play Zemo just as much I’m sure. Regardless of your weird preconceptions.
Oh, your right, I'm sorry. I forgot you're the one who does the deep dive videos, and has access to the content creator beta to play champs before they drop, and has uploaded hours and hours of quality zemo game play since his release - even when everyone was up in arms about his "nerf". Oh and I'm sure you've also soloed a bunch of necro fights with him as well.
I soloed Mr Fantastic, Airwalker and 3 phases of the Grandmaster with him when I did my first necro run. Then I used Kate for my other run because she’s just better. As for the other stuff, you’re delusional if you think that posting on youtube or playing with a champion before their release counts as experience with him…
A lot went on here. It was especially wild to see someone talking like they knew zemo better than karatemike, the guy who I'm pretty sure knows and plays zemo better than anyone.
For my part I couldn't care less if Dani doesn't have the damage of onslaught. Her animations are awesome and playing her feels so smooth, and that's all I really care about because this is a game that I play to enjoy myself. If you don't like a champ, don't play them. But don't expect every champ to have the same playing experience or damage output.
Lol yeah, I do play Zemo just as much I’m sure. Regardless of your weird preconceptions.
Oh, your right, I'm sorry. I forgot you're the one who does the deep dive videos, and has access to the content creator beta to play champs before they drop, and has uploaded hours and hours of quality zemo game play since his release - even when everyone was up in arms about his "nerf". Oh and I'm sure you've also soloed a bunch of necro fights with him as well.
I soloed Mr Fantastic, Airwalker and 3 phases of the Grandmaster with him when I did my first necro run. Then I used Kate for my other run because she’s just better. As for the other stuff, you’re delusional if you think that posting on youtube or playing with a champion before their release counts as experience with him…
Oh I forgot, Wiccan and Cap IW aswell, easy solo with him.
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Secondly, if I did, does it look like I agree with her being in the bottom 2?
I have her R5, and I used a Gem on her. Either people are not using her correctly, or they're too critical with their assessments.
For my part I couldn't care less if Dani doesn't have the damage of onslaught. Her animations are awesome and playing her feels so smooth, and that's all I really care about because this is a game that I play to enjoy myself. If you don't like a champ, don't play them. But don't expect every champ to have the same playing experience or damage output.
You’re not wanting a conversation, you’re wanting to rant. So feel free, but I’m not gonna help you.
You got served on page 1 and you're still crying lol.
Read before you speak.
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When it comes to Dani, I cannot stop hating on her, she was my first Titan pull and she is providing 100k arena points and nothing else.
I don't even have a big account, but she doesn't even fit anywhere I need to bring her before other viable less damage but better champs.
Danielle MIDstar, nobody don't need to change my mind, Im biased and I hate her existence in the game.
The one stand out ability she has is “marked” which would be great if Herc didn’t bypass miss. She needed something more than what she got in the rebalancing as a result. A way around miss counters. As such she probably stays at R1 for me, and I was definitely disappointed that she’s my only new champ out of a Titan crystal.
I’ll still play her time to time as she is just so fluid in animations it’s a pleasure, but in this game of rock, paper, scissors she seems more like a table.
That or Gladiator gets a similar rebalance 😈