5-Star Featured Crystal Change Discussion Thread

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,843 ★★★★★
    This is becoming arguing for the sake of argument. I'm going to move on in the discussion now.
  • ApacheApache Posts: 558 ★★
    This is becoming arguing for the sake of argument. I'm going to move on in the discussion now.

    No don’t go. You must know something we don’t about the selection process
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,843 ★★★★★
    I know what everyone else knows. That they're looking at Champs based on imperial data, that they're making an effort not to include the ones that perform poorly, and that there is a varied range in the Crystal.
    I am entitled to my own opinion based on the information presented. That's not up for debate.
  • RedRoosterRedRooster Posts: 337 ★★
    Anyone that is trying to sell me on the idea that the benefit of the new crystal is that you get a higher chance at a "featured" champion versus a basic champion does not understand the attractiveness of 5* featured crystals within the player community.

    The novelty or "newness" of a champ has very little to do with why the crystal is desirable.
    1) The current featured crystal is the best chance you have to awaken/dupe a 5* champ in the game right now.
    2) It is your best chance to obtain a likely high damage or high utility 5* champ by using early feedback and deciding if they are the champ you need
    3) It is your best chance to target a champ that you have the rank up materials or awakening gem for.
    4) Re-runs are icing on the cake because it gives you the second chance to either obtain or awaken the champ you've invested in
    5) Let's not forget that for higher tiers, it is possible to target high prestige and boost that prestige with an awakening

    5* champs are still the most expensive to obtain and rank up. They are still the most powerful champs that we have access to in the game and duping a champ is one of the fundamental factors in deciding who we rank up in the game. Why do you think the first question out of most people is: "Is your champ awakened?"

    You can also look at how people save their shards, they don't save shards for just any random featured champ, they save them for high utility champs that are going to help them in the game. Kabam even acknowledged that implictly by saying 'Yeah we know you are all saving for Blade".

    We also look at featured champs based on resources we've acquired, how many of us are sitting on science awakening gems waiting for a decent science champ? Or we have catalysts waiting to expire and we want to use them on a decent 5* champ instead of just more arena fodder.

    All of this goes away with the new crystal and the best I can say about it is that it gives us the opportunity at a decent number of middle of the road champs.

    It seems obvious to me that their empirical data is not based on top alliances. Some might say that that is how it should be. I'm going to say that sampling bias is not necessarily bad bias. The bottom or beginning players just play the champs that they have, not necessarily the champs that are effective (this is already skewing your data). Top alliances have the chance to place proven and effective defences and to use effective attackers.

    Let's say you get financial advice? Do get advice from a grad student, a mainstream consultant and a finance guru? Or do you go straight to the finance guru?

    Anyway, I would like to hear from Kabam, and try to ask some constructive questions:
    1) What population do you draw your empirical data from? All players/alliances? Top 10%?
    2) What is/are the definition(s) of effective? Kills? Damage output?
  • Indrick781Indrick781 Posts: 495 ★★★★
    I know what everyone else knows. That they're looking at Champs based on imperial data, that they're making an effort not to include the ones that perform poorly, and that there is a varied range in the Crystal.
    I am entitled to my own opinion based on the information presented. That's not up for debate.

    Your opinion isn't grounded in reality. The featured crystals have always been a way to have a better shot at getting a quality champion. The same as the featured crystals you buy for units. The difference is the 5* featured has given you a feasible chance to get them(between 20-25%) where the featured unit crystals were between 1-1.3%.

    You're not getting this because you're not playing at the level where the new, higher prestige champions actually matter. Do you know why Blade is the choice for nearly everyone's 5/65 5*? Besides being an excellently designed champion, he's also very high prestige. Stark Spider-man is great, but lower on prestige so top end alliances wouldn't want him as the first choice. Let's say the March featured champion takes over the #1 prestige spot as a 5*. Now they can't get them through the featured crystal until May. What do you think the top alliances will be doing to get them? Buying the **** out of featured GMCs until they get them. Kabam built the prestige race and is looking to profit even more heavily from it and they will now with this horrible change. You don't see it because of where your roster is, and that's fine, I'm not knocking your roster. We've all been at the point where we don't have the upper end experience. I know what you're going to say, not everyone is upper end so our needs are different than others. Yes, they are, but champ wise no they aren't. If you want to progress you need quality champions. Quality champions are typically accessed more easily through the featured crystals. These six featured are mostly not good.

    I just want you to answer this truthfully. If you had a choice between this crystal and a featured crystal that offered you a 1 in 5 chance at pulling say Angela(top tier but not god tier) which would you want as a player?
  • xxgonzoxxxxgonzoxx Posts: 83
    @Kabam Miike please do not make this change. If you were to add a different crystal with rotating characters that would be fine. For those of us reaching the point where saving and aiming for certain characters is becoming viable this is a huge slap in the face. It also puts us at a huge disadvantage against other summoners who have benifited from the featured character crystals. Just please reconsider i know there has been a lot of negative feedback besides mine.
  • RedRoosterRedRooster Posts: 337 ★★
    Something I thought about but forgot to add...

    If you're getting me to pay a 50% premium on the most expensive crystal, make it worth it. I don't necessarily get an increased chance at the champs I want or need, if I can't target high utility or class of the resources that I have.

    You're just giving me a better shot at something "new".
  • KiKu17KiKu17 Posts: 8
    Is there is any change in the shards required for the new featured five star crystals or its the same 15K shards. Why can't kabam reduce the required shards to 13K because it's too hard obtain 5 Star shards and 15K is 50% more than than the normal 5 Star shards.
  • RiegelRiegel Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    This is a terrible idea and we have to rely on Kabam to put non-garbage champs in the crystal. Huge mistake. Just look at what's coming in the first crystal.
  • So has the odds for GMC changed with this update? And is there a scheduled cycle of projected release of those?
  • FrnkieloFrnkielo Posts: 234 ★★
    Kabam needs to understand that those of us who risk the extra 5k shards risk it for a specific champ..and for that specific champ to have a much higher percentage of dropping then other champions...the great part of the featured crystal is that if we miss we still can pull a Hyperion or iceman of voodooo or star lord...the new crystal now takes the champ we want and says wait 3 months before u get a 4 percent chance at it and 23 other champions that we don’t care if you want or not
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    Hi kabam no derailing or anything bad but please can we have your input to whether you would consider any of ours suggestions to switch up the crystal idea pretty please?
  • mum_m2mum_m2 Posts: 1,776 ★★★★
    This empirical data statement is nonsense - Hiding behind your desks looking at your data of effectiveness and not confronting your player base. I usually take the bigger picture side here, and defend the decisions of the company, but I just cant here. That statement is a bunch of garbage and is a huge slap to your player base.

    I've got some empirical data for you. I just surveyed 36 pages of people complaining about this new step forward for the game, and the future of these crystals look pretty grim. Clock is ticking to do some damage control.
  • MahvelMahvel Posts: 67
    Make that 0/15 featureds now. This change is terrible. Nerfing an already unrewarding system.
  • Tiago1980Tiago1980 Posts: 34
    We walked for a boycott of crystal 15k
  • linuxlinux Posts: 291
    edited January 2018
    Mahvel wrote: »
    Make that 0/15 featureds now. This change is terrible. Nerfing an already unrewarding system.

    In some sense this change actually addresses your experience -- because it removes the illusion that you have a good chance to get the featured champ on any given roll. (Granted, you could still go 0/15 out of the new champs, but if the other 18 champs included some decent rolls this could be OK.)

    EDIT: it would only actually make things better if at some point the pool of 18 champs also includes a fair number you'd be happy to get. The first pool looks like a bust to me. But if a better percentage of the 24 champs were good pulls (compared with the basic crystal) it could conceivably make sense.
  • CrDizCrDiz Posts: 4
    Grimmbear wrote: »
    I mean this in the worst of ways. Your team is deluded. In what universe are those champs even semi useful? Tier 20? There is NOBODY in any decent ally using 90% of those champs anywhere but defense (and only a couple for that) let alone **** attack or aq. They are NOT top options. Not a single one is god tier. Pathetic. Open your eyes.

    If you are not a fan of the Champions in the Crystal, you can always wait until the Featured Champion you like is added to the Basic Pool, like the 3-Star and 4-Star Champions.

    Also, nobody said they are the top Champions, and while player perception of these Champions may differ, these Champions are ones that people use to great success.

    Oh my god, why do you keep saying this? Nobody believes most of these champions on the list are being used by players "to great success." Unless by this you mean these players used some of these champs to great success, given that they were forced to use a garbage champ like cyclops, Antman, Loki, Phoenix , venompool, civil warrior. If there were one time Cyclops managed to take down a Dorm miniboss in AW, without reviving, the "great success" was that it actually happened given that they were using cyclops.
  • Mmx1991Mmx1991 Posts: 674 ★★★★
    This is becoming arguing for the sake of argument. I'm going to move on in the discussion now.

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,843 ★★★★★
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    This is becoming arguing for the sake of argument. I'm going to move on in the discussion now.


    Thanks. Now it's in my head. Haha. Next it'll be Rick Astley. XD
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    To be fair the mods say what they are told so when they say something like antman will bring you success then yeah they really need to research more on how the game works in real life.
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Exactly hubris hubra it has been 36 pages why would we stop for you?
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