Heart Of Fire. Absolutely massive swing and a miss

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  • RevHeresyRevHeresy Member Posts: 159
    I’ll be angry if FAM is not in my rng cards. I welcome the 1/5 ratio.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,347 ★★★★★

    Eh, you have enough units to get Phoenix. You’ll be fine

    @Cloudddey_bro he won't have enough for j4 and cyber tho. J4 costs 36k units . Not sure if its better he spends them all here vs saving for those events
  • Toyota_2015Toyota_2015 Member Posts: 938 ★★★★
    Polygon said:

    Eh, you have enough units to get Phoenix. You’ll be fine

    @Cloudddey_bro he won't have enough for j4 and cyber tho. J4 costs 36k units . Not sure if its better he spends them all here vs saving for those events
    Yeah but he wasn’t complaining about the price. He knows he won’t have enough units for those, he’s choosing to spend them on this event.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,824 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    BeastDad said:

    Eh, don’t care either way. Boycott still in full effect.

    Get out of here with that. That's not what this is about.
    Kabam have been doing a great job recently and there's really no reason to boycott atm
    No actually Kabam is bad and the worst company ever (I’ve never played another game) and they hate every player and are greedy grr Kascam
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 8,493 ★★★★★
    edited May 3

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    I agree with you and I appreciate the comment. I think maybe communicating that with the community would have eased the whiplash and knee-jerk reaction.

    Edit: i want to be clear that I'm not against how the event is structured or the decisions made for it. I think it makes sense and am excited for it and dark phoenix. You guys have been doing a great job recently which is part of why it felt so out of left field and rug pullish
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,253 ★★★★★
    benshb said:

    Last year was such a good year for "champion-chase" events. All of the deathless and their dupes were available by doing high-end content.
    This year it feels like it was flipped upside down completely. Dark Phoenix is put behind a serious paywall. Lumatrix is barely available as FTP, not to mention his dupe. Already worried for the other Eidols. Magik apparently getting put behind radiance for god knows how much.

    It's so sad to see.

    Radiance is free though so magik doesnt count of how easy to get free to play as everyone can get her with radiance only downsides was lumatrix since only a handful are able to get him free
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 2,344 ★★★★★
    Sambob said:

    benshb said:

    Last year was such a good year for "champion-chase" events. All of the deathless and their dupes were available by doing high-end content.
    This year it feels like it was flipped upside down completely. Dark Phoenix is put behind a serious paywall. Lumatrix is barely available as FTP, not to mention his dupe. Already worried for the other Eidols. Magik apparently getting put behind radiance for god knows how much.

    It's so sad to see.

    The way they implemented stark spidey, masacre, and spidey 2099 was perfect. Extremely hard to get but can be actually be earned through playing the game. And if you’re a whale you could still just blast through the content with units to get them. Now, I want red guardian more than any other champion, and have no way to ever get him through just playing the game.
    Except that Kabam literally just gave everyone a free 6* Red Guardian.
    So what you mean isn't that you can't have your favorite champion.
    What you mean is: you can't have your favorite champion for free at the highest rarity as quickly as other people who give Kabam money to run the game.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 2,725 ★★★★★

    Sambob said:

    benshb said:

    Last year was such a good year for "champion-chase" events. All of the deathless and their dupes were available by doing high-end content.
    This year it feels like it was flipped upside down completely. Dark Phoenix is put behind a serious paywall. Lumatrix is barely available as FTP, not to mention his dupe. Already worried for the other Eidols. Magik apparently getting put behind radiance for god knows how much.

    It's so sad to see.

    The way they implemented stark spidey, masacre, and spidey 2099 was perfect. Extremely hard to get but can be actually be earned through playing the game. And if you’re a whale you could still just blast through the content with units to get them. Now, I want red guardian more than any other champion, and have no way to ever get him through just playing the game.
    Except that Kabam literally just gave everyone a free 6* Red Guardian.
    So what you mean isn't that you can't have your favorite champion.
    What you mean is: you can't have your favorite champion for free at the highest rarity as quickly as other people who give Kabam money to run the game.
    This is the big thing. People are acting like getting the 7 star version of a newly added champion within the month of their release completely free is a given right lmao. 6 star lumatrix is still a lot of fun and completely attainable free to play, and unless you're playing bgs real hard you don't really need much beyond a 6r5a since time is only an issue there
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,347 ★★★★★

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    The major issue (that i was hoping your comment wouldve touched on is that you guys will be running this similar to how the Omega event ran which required 36k units) and those 36k units doesnt even guarantee you distinct champs. Sure theres a selector but you could get a bunch of apoc/ibom dupes and completely miss tigra or FAM after using your selector on Nick.

    Banquets one redeeming pro was the box and key concept of the gacha because then at least you wouldnt completely be shafted by bad RNG.

    If were spending 36k units, at the very minimum it should have better odds than a random 1 in 5 shot.

    Banquet for instance gave you 3 out of 6 distinct options for only 15k units. But now were doing 36k for significantly worse odds.

    I think this is the major issue , that there was all this suspense hype and buildup for these new release Champs with the rug was just swept right under with how they were going to be marketed

    I'd love to hear your thoughts about this or @Kabam Crashed
  • Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,747 ★★★★★
    edited May 3
    Polygon said:

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    The major issue (that i was hoping your comment wouldve touched on is that you guys will be running this similar to how the Omega event ran which required 36k units) and those 36k units doesnt even guarantee you distinct champs. Sure theres a selector but you could get a bunch of apoc/ibom dupes and completely miss tigra or FAM after using your selector on Nick.

    Banquets one redeeming pro was the box and key concept of the gacha because then at least you wouldnt completely be shafted by bad RNG.

    If were spending 36k units, at the very minimum it should have better odds than a random 1 in 5 shot.

    Banquet for instance gave you 3 out of 6 distinct options for only 15k units. But now were doing 36k for significantly worse odds.

    I think this is the major issue , that there was all this suspense hype and buildup for these new release Champs with the rug was just swept right under with how they were going to be marketed

    I'd love to hear your thoughts about this or @Kabam Crashed
    Not to speak for Kabam - but getting a meta relevant, exclusive champ awakened offsets normal bad RNG at 36k units. Also, you are going to have people dupe Nick Fury or Tigra without have to get to 36k. That’s a pretty big win that would be prevented from a gacha box.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 6,046 ★★★★★
    edited May 3

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    Couldn't you guys just have buffed Groot or another cosmic and added them to the crystal? I am not even kidding, I got excited when I saw Groot and I thought to myself "surprise buff" but then you hit us with the "no it's Dark Phoenix" which left me completely unfazed tbh I couldn't care less about spending money to get her.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,347 ★★★★★

    Polygon said:

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    The major issue (that i was hoping your comment wouldve touched on is that you guys will be running this similar to how the Omega event ran which required 36k units) and those 36k units doesnt even guarantee you distinct champs. Sure theres a selector but you could get a bunch of apoc/ibom dupes and completely miss tigra or FAM after using your selector on Nick.

    Banquets one redeeming pro was the box and key concept of the gacha because then at least you wouldnt completely be shafted by bad RNG.

    If were spending 36k units, at the very minimum it should have better odds than a random 1 in 5 shot.

    Banquet for instance gave you 3 out of 6 distinct options for only 15k units. But now were doing 36k for significantly worse odds.

    I think this is the major issue , that there was all this suspense hype and buildup for these new release Champs with the rug was just swept right under with how they were going to be marketed

    I'd love to hear your thoughts about this or @Kabam Crashed
    Not to speak for Kabam - but getting a meta relevant, exclusive champ awakened offsets normal bad RNG at 36k units. Also, you are going to have people dupe Nick Fury or Tigra without have to get to 36k. That’s a pretty big win that would be prevented from a gacha box.
    I understand your point however, the fact we get awakening gems so much easier now nullifies it. Theyre selling them in the radiance store, which means theyll have them in a lot more content going forward. Also, the event itself has an awakening gem.

    To put the RNG difference in perspective

    1) Banque with Box/Key:
    3 unique pulls from 6 for 15k units
    Say you're interested in all but 2 of the champs (for e.g. sentry and purgatory). The probability of getting at least 2 of the champs you want out of the 3 box/key attempts is a whopping 80%.

    So not only better RNG but much cheaper unit cost wise.

    2) Random Crystal
    Omega Sales had 2 random crystals and 1 selector, with 36k unit cost (not counting free units)

    Say you dont want Apoc or iBom (the 2 worst options). The odds of not opening them both within 2 draws is only 36%.

    This also has more than double the cost of banquet
  • TheMostHated1TheMostHated1 Member Posts: 52
    edited May 3

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    Nah carnage would’ve been so bad, I’m glad y’all did not go through with that. I’d rather there be no cosmic in the crystal than a freakin carnage
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 23,049 ★★★★★

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider -

    I can only assume this is the same reason Silver Centurion isn't a 7* yet right? Right? Rrrriiiiiiiiiiight? 😬😬😬
  • FolkvangrFolkvangr Member Posts: 300 ★★★
    edited May 3
    Chobbly said:

    The reality is that not every event is for every player. Some events are targeted largely at F2P (the 10 in 10), some are mixed like the Poolshields one on right now and some that are intended for those with big pockets.

    I'm not going to be sinking much cash into the Heart of Fire (in all likelihood) because it's clearly intended for those with the aforementioned big pockets, but so what? For those looking forward to it, fill your boots. For everyone else (like me) there'll be something more of interest later on.

    We know that, however in omega days you could get lucky with crystals and get the champ you wanted early on
    Now if you want dark phoenix that possibility doesn’t exist anymore and you are required to spend 36k or more units

  • BeastDadBeastDad Member Posts: 2,276 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    BeastDad said:

    Eh, don’t care either way. Boycott still in full effect.

    Kabam could descend from the sky and give everyone Dark Phoenix for free and y’all would still boycott
    A free trophy champ is not what is holding this game back.
  • Savage123456789Savage123456789 Member Posts: 920 ★★★★

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    At the end of the day, the game isn’t ready for 7 Star Hulkling, Hercules, or Cosmic Ghost Rider - and we didn’t feel like any other yet to be released Cosmic was in the right spot for this Event. There was a period of time we discussed adding Carnage to the Crystal so there would be one Champion per class.

    Would that have made this event better?

    Ultimately, I felt very strongly against putting an objectively less than desirable Champion in this Crystal, and creating the possibility of a lesser experience for Players opening 1-2 Crystals, simply to have one Champion per Class - so I pushed pretty hard against that.

    The way I see it, is that this keeps the Crystal loaded with Champions at the top of their Class for players engaging lightly in the event, while guaranteeing one of the 6 for those going all the way to the end - on top of the Selector that gives a copy of one of the other 5 - creating a much better chance to walk away with all 6 Champions.

    Definitely this outcome is way better. But if adding carnage to a crystal like this was even a discussion, then it’s a good thing we don’t hear about half the things that get scrapped in the background 😂 😂. Cause this is scary stuff
  • Gildarts99Gildarts99 Member Posts: 457 ★★★

    Yep! Was really looking forward to see who that 6th champ would be in the HOF crystal. Big time jaw drop when Kabam announced that champ and how we would be getting that champ.Not just surprised on hearing about the champion themselves, but the way they pay-walled this champion making it really difficult for most of the summoners to get her. All I can say is, this was an absolute a-hole move on Kabam's part!!!

    Well...they did same for lumatrix. When they did, people with excess money showed them why they should repeat it and now they have. You ask me, they deserve a round of applause.

    Until a lotta these spenders start thinking and maybe people stop throwing monies at their YouTube channels because obviously, it's because y'all keep throwing monies at them when they stream that they get to spend unnecessarily on some of these events so yhh. Until we all stop doing the ****, then the company will begin to act logically and sensibly.

    Until then kudos Kabam.
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