Domino/Red Hulk Synergy - Incinerate on Heavy [MERGED THREADS]

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  • GalloFenixGalloFenix Member Posts: 15
    Also rank 1 6* Domino
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
  • Manup456Manup456 Member Posts: 891 ★★★★
    @Voltolos do you have her?
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    Manup456 said:

    @Voltolos do you have her?

    Yes but sadly only at 3/45
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    Ok, after few days of testing I made the decision to take Domino up to R 5/65 and all I can say is that she is so bugged. Damage is so low compared to other YouTube videos about domino gameplay from the pre-bug situation. I'm really not sure if it's only 5* version bugged because I saw few days gameplay on 6* r2 domino and damage was fine. So not sure what's going on. Feels like there is something wrong with crit ratio and how that effect the incinerate damage. Back in the days I was getting good crits with my r4/55 domino now that's isn't the case. Really hope that you guys will fix that because we really like domino and this game, and we respect what you do with same also. Domino have nightmares now and I'm hoping that you'll fix that. It's not about me only, there is so many guys now with Domino. Thanks in advance. @Kabam Miike @Kabam Lyra @Kabam Porthos
  • WillieBWillieB Member Posts: 151 ★★
    CammonRo said:

    The thing is they didn't fix her. They *changed* her to work around whatever latest change broke her. She's better than she was than when the bug first hit but she is wildly inconsistent. I've done a lot of fights with her in ROL and sometimes she seems all right but in general my hit count is higher than it used to be to take down WS. And in other content I continue to get disappointing results.

    I would routinely get at least 1K incinerate damage with my 5/65 Domino and as much as 4-5K depending on crits. Now I frequently see sub 1K damage. Something is different. I used to steamroll through Master for exploration with her since I ranked her up. Now fights are taking longer. It's definitely noticeable.

    She's still a good champ but she's not the same champ. I'm worried that this is going to qualify as "good enough" and Kabam will just move on.

    I agree, I have her as a 6* at Rank 2 and the incinerate damage is either still bugged or nerfed. Before the update I never saw her incinerate tick for less than 1k, but after the update her damage will tick in the 800s-900s almost once or twice a fight. Also, I never see the big incinerate damage like before, 4-5k ticks are long gone.
  • WillieBWillieB Member Posts: 151 ★★
    Voltolos said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Yeah man, worst case scenario is that someone who have domino at low rank or doesn't use her often says that she is ok, works fine, etc. I'm using Domino for some time and I see the difference.
  • G2DKG2DK Member Posts: 243
    I have a 5* 4/55 duped and sometimes her incinerate ticks at 400. That ain’t right.
  • G2DKG2DK Member Posts: 243
    Correction: incinerate ticks are now as low at 150 . What the hell?
  • Kabam MiikeKabam Miike Member Posts: 8,269
    Hey All,

    We're continuing to investigate this. As many of you have said, this is inconsistent at best, and we're not able to reproduce it ourselves. If possible, you'd be able to help us out by giving us some information on where you're seeing this issue.

    What Champions are you fighting? What Quest is it? Are there any special nodes on the fight? What other Champions besides Red Hulk are on your team?

    This information will help us narrow this down.
  • Tasty_Yum_YumsTasty_Yum_Yums Member Posts: 444 ★★★

    Hey All,

    We're continuing to investigate this. As many of you have said, this is inconsistent at best, and we're not able to reproduce it ourselves. If possible, you'd be able to help us out by giving us some information on where you're seeing this issue.

    What Champions are you fighting? What Quest is it? Are there any special nodes on the fight? What other Champions besides Red Hulk are on your team?

    This information will help us narrow this down.

    Champions I’m fighting:
    -WS and Cap Marvel (the non-buffed cap marvel) in RoL.
    - Ronan, vision, Wolverine, Angela in bounty missions
    - taken domino on multiple paths in the Monthly event quest (uncollected)

    Champions on team:
    - domino
    - Red hulk
    - massacre
    - Ghost
    - Wasp

    I’ve notice one change since the “fix” and that is the incinerate damage matches the heavy attack damage. The heavy attack damage has been reduced since the update, thus the incinerate damage is propionate correct to match the heavy but overall isn’t dealing the amount of damage prior to the update. This leads me to believe her crit rating, crit damage or base attack (or a combination of these abilities) have been reduced.
  • Manup456Manup456 Member Posts: 891 ★★★★
    @Tasty_Yum_Yums that's very accurate 👍🏼
  • ThiartcThiartc Member Posts: 281 ★★
    Maybe the reason they cant get it right cause its so random and they looking in the wrong spot. What caused all these issues?? The frame rate change? That is why on some devices it works fine and other its way random. Maybe the 1st or 2nd portion of the heavy gets missed cause the game isnt picking up that specific frame and it then doesnt move it over to the incenrate?

    I have no clue of programming or frames or whatever and if what i said was even possible, but this all started when the frame rate mess came, so who knows.
  • _Rogueyy__Rogueyy_ Member Posts: 25
    edited April 2019

    Hey All,

    We're continuing to investigate this. As many of you have said, this is inconsistent at best, and we're not able to reproduce it ourselves. If possible, you'd be able to help us out by giving us some information on where you're seeing this issue.

    What Champions are you fighting? What Quest is it? Are there any special nodes on the fight? What other Champions besides Red Hulk are on your team?

    This information will help us narrow this down.

    When fighting rol ws and captain marvel, I've noticed my critical damage is not performing how it's supposed to be, Ive seen an old video that dated 8 months back titled "winter soldier K.O. in 16 hits" and in the video the critical damage shown is how dominos critical damage should be and what everyone's used to
  • KerayZKerayZ Member Posts: 220 ★★★
    edited April 2019
    @Kabam Miike This is a hard issue to reproduce unless you are constant user of Domino. I have gotten many messages and information the last 5 days about Domino. In the end what it boils down to is that Domino "feels" like she is critting less then she used to. You would have to do extensive testing on just her crit rate alone. Also compare the testing between a 5* Domino and a 6* Domino. From everyone I talked to she just feels a bit "off". No amount of screenshots or videos of her is going to change much because this is just an over time feeling from using the character constantly.

    We need to calculate her entire crit rating on multiple fights and averages over time. Was Domino critting too much before? Is Domino critting at the proper rate now? These questions need to be answered and the general consensus from a lot of Domino users is that she is definitely weaker in her current state. Is she a horrible character now? Definitely not. She is still baller but slightly less baller.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    KerayZ said:

    @Kabam Miike This is a hard issue to reproduce unless you are constant user of Domino. I have gotten many messages and information the last 5 days about Domino. In the end what it boils down to is that Domino "feels" like she is critting less then she used to. You would have to do extensive testing on just her crit rate alone. Also compare the testing between a 5* Domino and a 6* Domino. From everyone I talked to she just feels a bit "off". No amount of screenshots or videos of her is going to change much because this is just an over time feeling from using the character constantly.

    We need to calculate her entire crit rating on multiple fights and averages over time. Was Domino critting too much before? Is Domino critting at the proper rate now? These questions need to be answered and the general consensus from a lot of Domino users is that she is definitely weaker in her current state. Is she a horrible character now? Definitely not. She is still baller but slightly less baller.

    I can agree with this post, it's hard to calculate that but you guys need to test that and see, damages is lower than she used to be. I'? Using domino 24/7 and i can feel difference.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    @Kabam Miike but if you wanna know where exactly, i have problem in whole game with domino, but these days i'm using her in Uncollected so i see low crit, low damage, low incinerates etc. And she's r5/65
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    Voltolos said:

    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
    I don't need to show you anything man, you are trolling here that for sure, I have video about r4 domino vs moon knight (10k health) take down in 6 hits (3 heavy attack). Colossus can do it faster.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2019
    If someone don't trust me you can find me on line: removed this because I will update video
    I will send you video. Or I will upload that on Yt and I will share that here
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★

    Voltolos said:

    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
    I don't need to show you anything man, you are trolling here that for sure, I have video about r4 domino vs moon knight (10k health) take down in 6 hits (3 heavy attack). Colossus can do it faster.
    But if you want anything to get fixed you have to show it to kabam at least. And this thread is where they will see it
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2019
    Voltolos said:

    Voltolos said:

    WillieB said:

    Voltolos said:

    Still not fixed. Just a fight in Realm. Unlucky with Sp2 900 bleed. Then 80 hit combo sp3 900 bleed. Another 110 hit combo 1200 bleed. Max suicides. The incinerate and heavy seem to be good now. But I'm missing that bleed damage. I want to take her up but can't if she is like this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuTUOPZHRNw at 11:32 sp2 bleed 734 per tick. 900 with suicides sounds just right
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8oaEZv6m28 at 4:26 with suicides 881 per tick.

    Conclusion: NOT NERFED
    You do not know what you are posting about. If you think that Domino is the same as before you either don't have her or you are trolling.
    Then show me some numbers that prove that she is weaker. I havent seen any here
    @WillieB
    @gamep01nt
    @ChosenOne94
    I don't need to show you anything man, you are trolling here that for sure, I have video about r4 domino vs moon knight (10k health) take down in 6 hits (3 heavy attack). Colossus can do it faster.
    But if you want anything to get fixed you have to show it to kabam at least. And this thread is where they will see it
    Watch my post above this one, check video to make sure.
  • Manup456Manup456 Member Posts: 891 ★★★★
    Did I just watch 👆🏼 this guy fight a 4* MK to prove a point 😂
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2019
    Voltolos said:

    https://youtu.be/DpGSkr509yo

    @Kabam Rose @Kabam Lyra
    Video from few days ago, showcase how broken domino is.

    So what were you expecting there? Which numbers are wrong? Do you have a Video from before the last patch? This showcase here really doesnt show anything
    Find video on YT, Seatin, act 6.1, last chapter, AoN path, and see, we all know that you are troll here. And obviously you are not Domino player, so I would ask you nicely to don't comment on this topic. Thank you
  • allinashesallinashes Member Posts: 824 ★★★
    After a ton of playing Domino in master/UC EQ, I have to agree with most people here. It feels like her crit rate isn't what it used to be. It's hard for a player to test because there's so many variables that affect her crit rate at any one time. You'd have to chart her crit rate over 1,000 hits and compare that to before, and even if we wanted to do that, who has that data from before the changes?

    Kabam should have the ability to look at her overall average crit rate or at the average amount of time it takes to KO an opponent in various modes and see if there's differences. Otherwise, it's gonna be hard to prove conclusively if she's still broken or has been fixed.
  • VoltolosVoltolos Member Posts: 1,120 ★★★
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks
  • ChosenOne94ChosenOne94 Member Posts: 108
    Voltolos said:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRUeaBaK3E

    So this is what I found. Seatins Domino has twice the rating of your domino so I would expect her to deal more damage
    If you were talking about a different Video please just link it here. Thanks

    https://youtu.be/6sO628BBGQc

    You can use any domino really. 3h:13m:00, my domino is now like his r5/65 and I don't see even close numbers. So if you wanna prove to us that domino is good, feel free to r5 domino and show us your gameplay ;)
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