DNA3000. I totally understand and agree with you on your comment. My concern was that (you and I both know) a cavalier or higher will accidentally purchase another token item from the first row and then come onto the forum screaming at the mods. It's a vicious cycle.
That's certainly possible, but we can't fix that with a lockout for the reasons I mentioned. We also have to recognize that a player might deliberately want to buy lower packages even if they qualify for higher ones.
Consider the first one right out of the gate. After buying one of each of the first four, the first reward that's unlocked is the fifth item in the store, which is a T4CC selector. It is entirely possible there might be Uncollected or Cavalier players out there who might deliberately choose to double up on the 18k T4B fragments in item #1 than take the T4CC selector in item #5, because they are extremely short of T4B and overflowing in T4C. It is possible, so we can't (or shouldn't) lock them out of that choice.
I think if the store mechanics has been explained better at the start, so there was less confusion in most players heads initially, there would be fewer errors made in the store when it came to purchases. But the more uncomfortable you make people to begin with, the more likely you are to cause them to make errors of judgment due to that confusion.
Still waiting for answer on the resort + booster as i purchased the wrong one. Says in the updated announcement here that it should be available but its not
*Maybe* it doesn't matter so much. If they are going to be selling boosters weekly, and those milestone boosters function identically to the booster that was included in the Plus pack, then people who intended to buy the Plus Pass package could just wait for the first weekly booster to arrive and buy that, and that would be in effect identical to having bought the Plus Pass initially.
This is based on two assumptions I'm making, that a) the Plus Pass is just the resort pass plus a seven milestone booster, and b) that the weekly boosters offer no benefit beyond being packages of seven milestone points. If so, then I think there's no real difference between buying the Plus package originally and buying the standard pass package plus any one of the weekly boosters.
Well, there's also a third assumption: that most people wouldn't deliberately buy the Plus package and all of the weekly boosters just to get the 6* bonus shards for like $70 USD. Anyone who was thinking of doing that and also accidentally bought the standard package would want to buy the additional plus add on that Kabam mentioned would be coming, so as to buy the maximum amount of stuff.
Transparency this is garbage compared to previous summoner appreciation. You turned an event that was done to recognize the players dedication to your game into a way to try and milk some money.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
We still don’t know if the regular pass will allow you to claim the final Milestone which has the 500 units and the very important blue token.
As the announcement describes it seems like that’s intended for the pass plus holder but makes a huge difference in rewards from the canteen.
That's just some slightly clumsy wording. To unlock the bonus shard objectives you need to complete the final milestone of the regular events first. It says "Purchase required" because the only way to actually earn any shards in the bonus shard milestone event is to unlock it *before* the end of the event. If you unlock it on the last day, you can't earn any more objectives for shards.
Technically, you can unlock the bonus shards without spending. But you can't get any bonus shards without spending. So the announcement was revised to include the "Purchase required" part to clarify this for players who were wondering how to obtain those bonus shards.
Transparency this is garbage compared to previous summoner appreciation. You turned an event that was done to recognize the players dedication to your game into a way to try and milk some money.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
They turned an event that handed more rewards out for free for doing nothing than most players could earn in a year of playing, and changed it into an event that rewarded players who actually played the game more and rewarded players who actually spend to support the game even more.
I enjoyed the Summoner Appreciation Calendar, in the same way I enjoyed gorging on Halloween candy when I was eight. Looking back on it now, I wouldn't change it, but neither am I interested in reviving the tradition.
Transparency this is garbage compared to previous summoner appreciation. You turned an event that was done to recognize the players dedication to your game into a way to try and milk some money.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
They turned an event that handed more rewards out for free for doing nothing than most players could earn in a year of playing, and changed it into an event that rewarded players who actually played the game more and rewarded players who actually spend to support the game even more.
I enjoyed the Summoner Appreciation Calendar, in the same way I enjoyed gorging on Halloween candy when I was eight. Looking back on it now, I wouldn't change it, but neither am I interested in reviving the tradition.
It’s not about that… they locked rewards behind a paywall. Simple and clean that the reason I am against it. Not 10 fights a day that any active player does or even someone can auto fight.
And let’s be real that tradition was started by missteps taken by kabam that pushed the community to the brink in order to make up for those mistakes. I do think the trend I’ve started to see emerging again since the bad quarters will have us back where it was last year by beginning of summer next year.
Transparency this is garbage compared to previous summoner appreciation. You turned an event that was done to recognize the players dedication to your game into a way to try and milk some money.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
They turned an event that handed more rewards out for free for doing nothing than most players could earn in a year of playing, and changed it into an event that rewarded players who actually played the game more and rewarded players who actually spend to support the game even more.
I enjoyed the Summoner Appreciation Calendar, in the same way I enjoyed gorging on Halloween candy when I was eight. Looking back on it now, I wouldn't change it, but neither am I interested in reviving the tradition.
It’s not about that… they locked rewards behind a paywall. Simple and clean that the reason I am against it. Not 10 fights a day that any active player does or even someone can auto fight.
And let’s be real that tradition was started by missteps taken by kabam that pushed the community to the brink in order to make up for those mistakes. I do think the trend I’ve started to see emerging again since the bad quarters will have us back where it was last year by beginning of summer next year.
All the F2P players are getting the exact same rewards as the last year calender so why are you crying here ?????
F2P got absolutely nothing taken away from them in this event, paying players just get extra if they choose to buy the pass so what's exactly your problem here ???
Kabam is a business at the end of the day, why should it appreciate somebody who doesn't pay them anything on the same level as those who keep their game afloat ???
Transparency this is garbage compared to previous summoner appreciation. You turned an event that was done to recognize the players dedication to your game into a way to try and milk some money.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
They turned an event that handed more rewards out for free for doing nothing than most players could earn in a year of playing, and changed it into an event that rewarded players who actually played the game more and rewarded players who actually spend to support the game even more.
I enjoyed the Summoner Appreciation Calendar, in the same way I enjoyed gorging on Halloween candy when I was eight. Looking back on it now, I wouldn't change it, but neither am I interested in reviving the tradition.
It’s not about that… they locked rewards behind a paywall. Simple and clean that the reason I am against it. Not 10 fights a day that any active player does or even someone can auto fight.
And let’s be real that tradition was started by missteps taken by kabam that pushed the community to the brink in order to make up for those mistakes. I do think the trend I’ve started to see emerging again since the bad quarters will have us back where it was last year by beginning of summer next year.
Oh you are against it are you? So does this mean you won't take the free rewards?
So how much can u actually unlock and buy from the canteen store doesn't look like you get many tokens from milestone rewards too buy much at all. Am I missing something somewhere? Does it say how many of each different ones we can get throughout the course of the event?
Transparency this is garbage compared to previous summoner appreciation. You turned an event that was done to recognize the players dedication to your game into a way to try and milk some money.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
They turned an event that handed more rewards out for free for doing nothing than most players could earn in a year of playing, and changed it into an event that rewarded players who actually played the game more and rewarded players who actually spend to support the game even more.
I enjoyed the Summoner Appreciation Calendar, in the same way I enjoyed gorging on Halloween candy when I was eight. Looking back on it now, I wouldn't change it, but neither am I interested in reviving the tradition.
It’s not about that… they locked rewards behind a paywall.
People keep saying that, but the same rewards free to play players got last year from the Summoner Appreciation Calendar are basically all there in the completely free Summoner Camp event. There are *additional* rewards you have to pay to get, but calling that a pay wall is no different from calling literally every other cash purchase a pay wall. To the extent that the Resort Event is a paywall, the game has been full of paywalls since the start.
The only *important* paywalls are the ones where *exclusive* stuff is *permanently* stuck behind a paywall. And the Resort Event, which just contains more of what the Camp Event contains, is not exclusive stuff behind a permanent paywall. It is stuff for sale, just with more engagement for the buyer.
So how much can u actually unlock and buy from the canteen store doesn't look like you get many tokens from milestone rewards too buy much at all. Am I missing something somewhere? Does it say how many of each different ones we can get throughout the course of the event?
If you do all the daily objectives, free to play players will get enough tokens to get the first fourteen rewards in the store. That's all the rewards up to and including the 5* AG crystals. Players who buy the resort pass will get fourteen more tokens which will get them the other fourteen rewards in the store, basically all twenty eight rewards.
So if someone buys this on the last day, all they can do is collect milestones from the solo event n buy additional stuff from the canteen...but ends up losing the daily rewards below, right?
**BONUS: Summer Shards (Complete the final milestone in the Summ(on)er Resort Pass. Purchase required.)
Rewards (by Summoner Title) Cavaliers and above: 100 x 6-Star Hero Crystal Shards (per day)
Uncollected only: 100 x 5-Star Hero Crystal Shards (per day)
Conqueror and below: 50 x 4-Star Hero Crystal Shards (per day)
As kabam Mike previously said. This Is a battle pass kinda thing, I for one think this is a bad sign of things to come..
Yes we get "free rewards" but if you want the extra good stuff you've gotta pay up.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not free to play, I've spent a good chunk of money on this game (mainly on July 4th/cyber Monday) but if it's at the point now where it's every month you've gotta pay X amount to get the extra good stuff I'm not okay with that, I for one see this as a very slippery slope.
Do we have to buy it, no.
I'm just stating that this doesn't look good for the future of the game.
Ah yes... Free to Play games that have a battle pass for people who want more, all do real bad...
Like Fortnite. Apex Legends. Destiny 2. And many... many other games. All of them super unsuccessful. Practically dead games at this point.
The games you've mentioned are majority played on console/pc
This is a mobile game.
Kabam need to stay in there lane.
Getting a touch greedy imo
If by greedy, you mean operating as a business, then I suppose so. However, as long as the game has been here, there have been Offers. Those Offers always contain *something* not available to those who don't spend. At the same time, the game has always been playable and accessible to people who play for free. There is no precedent that hasn't already been set. You can acquire things for free. You can also acquire more things if you pay. Literally nothing new about it.
So how much can u actually unlock and buy from the canteen store doesn't look like you get many tokens from milestone rewards too buy much at all. Am I missing something somewhere? Does it say how many of each different ones we can get throughout the course of the event?
Math is hard, I know. So is reading. I feel your pain.
We still don’t know if the regular pass will allow you to claim the final Milestone which has the 500 units and the very important blue token.
As the announcement describes it seems like that’s intended for the pass plus holder but makes a huge difference in rewards from the canteen.
I bought the regular pass on the first day and purposely did not claim the first objective reward until after doing so. Both of my milestones are at the same level, which means I should hit the 500 unit reward for both solo events (barring unexpected unavailability for a day).
What I can't tell you is what buying the regular Resort pass after claiming any objectives will do. That may put you behind on the Resort milestones, or it might not. I haven't seen anyone comment about their experience with this scenario.
This event sucks. I would like to be grateful for getting free stuff (and realistically i still am) but this whole thing is a clown fiesta. Instead of having just an appreciation event for us for putting up with your non stop bs and bugs you make it into this confusing thing where you didn’t even improve the rewards from last year (a lot changes in a year in mcoc) and you have to pay to get anything more. Your guys stinginess, especially with 6 star sig stones, is mind boggling and quite frustrating. Like, you didn’t even increase the amount of sig stones we could get from july 4th deals you just made them cheaper. 6 stars have been out for almost 4 years now. It’s absolutely absurd that you won’t make sig stones more available. As always, i’m just so very disappointed with this and everything else. You guys continue to do 1 good thing and 10 bad so it’s just absolutely impossible to be happy with your guys performance as a company.
Wait I just noticed. The summoner resort plus is gonna be available for purchase. How much will that be? That’s a small slap in the face to ftp. The old summoner appreciation didnt differentiate between pay and free to play.
Spending gets you more stuff than if you don’t spend?
This is shocking I am shocked.
Nah, you're just naive 😆
when they do something good, they won't do it for freeeee 😌
@kabamboo if you are thronebreaker why aren’t the higher tier items not unlocked I have tokens and can’t use them on cavalier or uncollected items I’m totally confused some state complete a specific act act and spend 20+ tokens to unlock and purchase. And you don’t even earn that many tokens during this event. And I purchased the 7 plus resort pass. Please clarify canteen store not wanting to waste tokens
Wait I just noticed. The summoner resort plus is gonna be available for purchase. How much will that be? That’s a small slap in the face to ftp. The old summoner appreciation didnt differentiate between pay and free to play.
Spending gets you more stuff than if you don’t spend?
This is shocking I am shocked.
Nah, you're just naive 😆
when they do something good, they won't do it for freeeee 😌
You mean something good like.... this game is still free and ad free? 2 free calendars every month. New free content every month? Good stuff like that?
Feels like a particular player base is appreciated more... Anyway, but why the nature of this event is so complex? While taking care of twins, I couldn't claim yesterday's objective. Tbh it Feels bad after being here for so many years.
Wait I just noticed. The summoner resort plus is gonna be available for purchase. How much will that be? That’s a small slap in the face to ftp. The old summoner appreciation didnt differentiate between pay and free to play.
Spending gets you more stuff than if you don’t spend?
This is shocking I am shocked.
Nah, you're just naive 😆
when they do something good, they won't do it for freeeee 😌
Well Kabam didn’t want to give us an answer so I checked with an old second account. If you don’t complete the 10 fights objective for that day, the next days won’t show up.
I mean... the answer was in the original post
In the original post it simply said “daily” twice. Tell me that isn’t stupidly vague. Daily can mean stackable daily or resets daily.
But the important thing, why aren’t we given grace periods like the summoner appreciation like in the calendars for the past few years? Paid or not, not everyone can log in everyday to accomplish 10 fights.
A battlepass is somewhat always a bad sign. They usually start out being easy to advance tiers, then the next step is introducing pay to skip tiers in the following passes, making the free route of advancing tiers more tedious, more of a grind. By the time you realize how grindy it becomes its too late as you were all content with them implementing battlepasses in the first place.
Source: Experience with other titles with battlepasses.
I honestly, genuinely, would've rather had the Summoner Appreciation Calendar as usual -- with an additional level of rewards for paying players. Simple. Painless. Appreciative.
The only thing potentially 'harmful' in the calendar was units (gifting+mass accounts), which I'd rather have replaced with shards or something if it resulted in this mess.
All Kabam did with this event is show how little they appreciate players, so I guess the name change was appropriate.
I honestly, genuinely, would've rather had the Summoner Appreciation Calendar as usual -- with an additional level of rewards for paying players. Simple. Painless. Appreciative.
The only thing potentially 'harmful' in the calendar was units (gifting+mass accounts), which I'd rather have replaced with shards or something if it resulted in this mess.
All Kabam did with this event is show how little they appreciate players, so I guess the name change was appropriate.
Shards have no equivalent universal value. As do most other items that would be "worth" trading the units for. I can choose how to spend units, or where to spend them on. 10% T5CC for example is worth less to a TB than it is to a Cav, so it's harder to justify the equivalent value.
However, I do believe there should have been a 7 day grace period, during that time people who bought the pass plus or buy boosters will still have their advantage of their purchase.
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Consider the first one right out of the gate. After buying one of each of the first four, the first reward that's unlocked is the fifth item in the store, which is a T4CC selector. It is entirely possible there might be Uncollected or Cavalier players out there who might deliberately choose to double up on the 18k T4B fragments in item #1 than take the T4CC selector in item #5, because they are extremely short of T4B and overflowing in T4C. It is possible, so we can't (or shouldn't) lock them out of that choice.
I think if the store mechanics has been explained better at the start, so there was less confusion in most players heads initially, there would be fewer errors made in the store when it came to purchases. But the more uncomfortable you make people to begin with, the more likely you are to cause them to make errors of judgment due to that confusion.
This is based on two assumptions I'm making, that a) the Plus Pass is just the resort pass plus a seven milestone booster, and b) that the weekly boosters offer no benefit beyond being packages of seven milestone points. If so, then I think there's no real difference between buying the Plus package originally and buying the standard pass package plus any one of the weekly boosters.
Well, there's also a third assumption: that most people wouldn't deliberately buy the Plus package and all of the weekly boosters just to get the 6* bonus shards for like $70 USD. Anyone who was thinking of doing that and also accidentally bought the standard package would want to buy the additional plus add on that Kabam mentioned would be coming, so as to buy the maximum amount of stuff.
As the announcement describes it seems like that’s intended for the pass plus holder but makes a huge difference in rewards from the canteen.
Well done for ruining a standing tradition for multiple years.
Technically, you can unlock the bonus shards without spending. But you can't get any bonus shards without spending. So the announcement was revised to include the "Purchase required" part to clarify this for players who were wondering how to obtain those bonus shards.
I enjoyed the Summoner Appreciation Calendar, in the same way I enjoyed gorging on Halloween candy when I was eight. Looking back on it now, I wouldn't change it, but neither am I interested in reviving the tradition.
And let’s be real that tradition was started by missteps taken by kabam that pushed the community to the brink in order to make up for those mistakes. I do think the trend I’ve started to see emerging again since the bad quarters will have us back where it was last year by beginning of summer next year.
F2P got absolutely nothing taken away from them in this event, paying players just get extra if they choose to buy the pass so what's exactly your problem here ???
Kabam is a business at the end of the day, why should it appreciate somebody who doesn't pay them anything on the same level as those who keep their game afloat ???
The only *important* paywalls are the ones where *exclusive* stuff is *permanently* stuck behind a paywall. And the Resort Event, which just contains more of what the Camp Event contains, is not exclusive stuff behind a permanent paywall. It is stuff for sale, just with more engagement for the buyer.
**BONUS: Summer Shards (Complete the final milestone in the Summ(on)er Resort Pass. Purchase required.)
Rewards (by Summoner Title)
Cavaliers and above:
100 x 6-Star Hero Crystal Shards (per day)
Uncollected only:
100 x 5-Star Hero Crystal Shards (per day)
Conqueror and below:
50 x 4-Star Hero Crystal Shards (per day)
What I can't tell you is what buying the regular Resort pass after claiming any objectives will do. That may put you behind on the Resort milestones, or it might not. I haven't seen anyone comment about their experience with this scenario.
when they do something good, they won't do it for freeeee 😌
While taking care of twins, I couldn't claim yesterday's objective. Tbh it Feels bad after being here for so many years.
But the important thing, why aren’t we given grace periods like the summoner appreciation like in the calendars for the past few years? Paid or not, not everyone can log in everyday to accomplish 10 fights.
Source: Experience with other titles with battlepasses.
The only thing potentially 'harmful' in the calendar was units (gifting+mass accounts), which I'd rather have replaced with shards or something if it resulted in this mess.
All Kabam did with this event is show how little they appreciate players, so I guess the name change was appropriate.
However, I do believe there should have been a 7 day grace period, during that time people who bought the pass plus or buy boosters will still have their advantage of their purchase.