So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
It's a shame to delete the gifts because people will still use money to buy the crystals.. as well as nothing to change but well no problem we have nothing to say just say yes amen
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
Try not to single out a country. No where kabam mentioned it was to prevent cheaters from one particular country. There are cheaters everywhere.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
They're not going to abolish spending in this game. No one lied to you. The issue with Gifting is people were not only buying Units with fraudulent credit, they were also selling services for discounted Gifts. Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that. I'm not sure what you envisioned, but people are always going to be able to spend to get more in this game. Making friends with that will save you a great deal of confusion.
Look forward to the videos people will post about their Banqueting Crystal openings. Curious how many people get Weapon X and how many get Jessica Jones?
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
To also add on to this, these people probably have had 10+ accounts botting the arena getting units to gift their main account for the whole year. Hopefully after this year the botter numbers go down in arena since there is no benefit for their main accounts if their alt bots arena.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
I'll repeat. Doesn't matter if it was an alt or not, both accounts were detected and punished. Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
I'll repeat. Doesn't matter if it was an alt or not, both accounts were detected and punished. Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
No. They were creating dummy Accounts to take the hit. There was no stopping them because they would just create new Accounts to do it again.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
I'll repeat. Doesn't matter if it was an alt or not, both accounts were detected and punished. Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
If you read DNAs post, you'd realize that the person can just claim ignorance that the fraudulent account was fraudulent, and there would be nothing kabam could do about it. Otherwise fraudulent accounts could give free stuff to many accounts and get them all banned if kabam worked the way you think they work.
Look forward to the videos people will post about their Banqueting Crystal openings. Curious how many people get Weapon X and how many get Jessica Jones?
I'm hoping I can get one of them at least.
I bet Jessica won't be in the crystal, but part of the rank rewards. At least the 6* version.
The date in the above announcement said you had to create your account before Nov 20th 2022 (of course it also says it ends January 2022, so it ended 11 months ago)
THe in game message however says Nov 20th, 2021.
Last year, not knowing what the rules would be, I missed out by creating my account just 2 days too late.
I appreciate the sentiment of wanting accounts that aren't 3 days old getting units from Acts 1-3... but the dates need to be moved / that account now over 1 year ago should be eligible.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
I'll repeat. Doesn't matter if it was an alt or not, both accounts were detected and punished. Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
If you read DNAs post, you'd realize that the person can just claim ignorance that the fraudulent account was fraudulent, and there would be nothing kabam could do about it. Otherwise fraudulent accounts could give free stuff to many accounts and get them all banned if kabam worked the way you think they work.
There is no ignorance claim. Kabam very much has the ability to identify all accounts that belong to the same person, or any alts that are associated with each other. If one gets banned via something serious such as frauds, then all accounts get punished, not just the dummy alt account.
@stellarWhat do you mean by "These units can be purchased with units" ? Yeeeahh... Typo, my bad, fixed it! Thanks for bringing it up.
@King363672So being conqueror is enough to qualify for gifting event and sending gift? No need of to be lvl 40? Either one will qualify you for the event. Yes.
@Dude17Do we know roughly when AW season 39 will start? Ie. will it start after the Holiday event ends? I see the tangential relation. It's a different conversation happening at the same time, we don't have the details just yet, but hoping to soon!
If you don't see any an answer to your question here, it's likely the community team doesn't have that information yet!
In-game mail doesn't say OR. it says, "those who are lvl 40+, have become Conqueror, AND have created their accounts prior to Nov 20th."
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
I'll repeat. Doesn't matter if it was an alt or not, both accounts were detected and punished. Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
If you read DNAs post, you'd realize that the person can just claim ignorance that the fraudulent account was fraudulent, and there would be nothing kabam could do about it. Otherwise fraudulent accounts could give free stuff to many accounts and get them all banned if kabam worked the way you think they work.
There is no ignorance claim. Kabam very much has the ability to identify all accounts that belong to the same person, or any alts that are associated with each other. If one gets banned via something serious such as frauds, then all accounts get punished, not just the dummy alt account.
Bruh, do you even tech department? Kabam can't know which accounts are created by the same person. Many people use smurf emails for these things and VPNs are so common nowadays that they couldn't even trace location or anything like that. If DNA, a game designer who knows what he is talking about says people can claim ignorance easy, then that is the reality of the situation.
Its completely different in a fundamental way. The *gifting* part is mostly gone. And that changes everything.
According to the announcement, for the most part players will be buying crystals for themselves. To the extent that they will be able to gift, the gifts will have extremely limited value.
Why does it matter if you buy them yourself or are allowed to gift them to someone else? Because it is the gifting mechanism itself that amplifies the possibility of fraud by allowing fraudulent transactions to launder themselves.
To put it simply, if I use a fraudulent transaction of some kind to buy units, that transaction will be traced back to my account. But if I use a fraudulent transaction to buy units on another account and then gift the resources to my account, the fraud is traced to that other account, not mine. And while the gift exchange might be traced ultimately to my account, I can claim ignorance. I had no idea what that person was doing when we exchanged gifts. How was I supposed to know they were not buying legitimately?
Gifting essentially anonymizes fraudulent transactions. By essentially forcing everyone to buy their own crystals, Kabam can hold them singularly accountable for any fraud associated with those purchases. The likely relatively small amount of value associated with the materials that will be giftable - potions and such - will likely be too small to be profitable to exploit. Or at least dramatically lower the incentive to use the event for fraudulent transactions.
Selling Banquet crystals to players directly is no more exploitable than selling Odins to players directly. It was allowing accounts to gift that created the problem, because it created a disconnect between the account purchasing and the account ultimately receiving the value. To put it bluntly, the gifting mechanism allowed for literal money laundering. Removing that mechanism removes the critical component of the gifting event that made it uniquely vulnerable to scams and frauds.
I’d like to think the real gift is the gift we give the team with our hard earned real life currency. That’s the gift that truly keeps on giving.
Seriously, it’s a shame fraudsters ruined what was enjoyable for honest players. Even so, I won’t miss the unwanted lesser Gifting Crystals dropped on me by alliance members I neither know nor particularly like, all with an expectation of return. Too bad the game doesn’t offer a virtual holiday fruitcake to send back.
@stellarWhat do you mean by "These units can be purchased with units" ? Yeeeahh... Typo, my bad, fixed it! Thanks for bringing it up.
@King363672So being conqueror is enough to qualify for gifting event and sending gift? No need of to be lvl 40? Either one will qualify you for the event. Yes.
@Dude17Do we know roughly when AW season 39 will start? Ie. will it start after the Holiday event ends? I see the tangential relation. It's a different conversation happening at the same time, we don't have the details just yet, but hoping to soon!
If you don't see any an answer to your question here, it's likely the community team doesn't have that information yet!
In-game mail doesn't say OR. it says, "those who are lvl 40+, have become Conqueror, AND have created their accounts prior to Nov 20th."
SO who is lying to us?
Relax. It’s pretty obvious that last years message was used and not properly edited.
Look forward to the videos people will post about their Banqueting Crystal openings. Curious how many people get Weapon X and how many get Jessica Jones?
I'm hoping I can get one of them at least.
I bet Jessica won't be in the crystal, but part of the rank rewards. At least the 6* version.
Nah. They already said she's in the crystal in the actual post.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that..
As it always did. Just because it's an alt account doesn't mean it won't affect the main account or any other account. So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
If they're committing Fraud using their own Account, they're handing Kabam the evidence they need. It's impossible to stop when people are making dummy Accounts to take the hit when they get caught, and using those to Gift.
I'll repeat. Doesn't matter if it was an alt or not, both accounts were detected and punished. Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
no, both werent. Only the gifter was penalized. Now if you cheat, YOUR account is on the line.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
I don't think I understand this, but maybe I'm missing something. The Fraudulent purchases issue came directly from the ability to gift items.
For example, a user has 2 Accounts, A and B: Fraudulent units were purchased on Account A, then used to send Items to Account B. Account B would keep the items, and Account A would get the Negative Currency when the chargeback occurred, but Account B didn't care because Account A is not a legitimate account.
When done through 3rd party sites, a single user could have one account that does thousands of fraudulent purchases or thousands of accounts that do one purchase each. A user would purchase from them, get their items, and then the fraudster would be left with an account that was hit with negative currency, and then later so would the user that bought from the fraudster. In this case, the fraudster doesn't care, they got their money, and now the end user is out the money they gave to the fraudster and must pay back the negative currency, which is usually a lot more than what they had already paid.
You can still gift this one last time, but that's because we know players had created alt accounts solely for Gifting and want them to get something out of it for their time. But most consumables also expire, meaning it's less lucrative for a fraudster to try and do the same with that.
The date in the above announcement said you had to create your account before Nov 20th 2022 (of course it also says it ends January 2022, so it ended 11 months ago)
The in game message however says Nov 20th, 2021. ... Which one has the typo?
And anyone else asking for clarification on requirements: The in-game message was a typo/wrong copy. Confirming 2022 for account creation and Level 40 OR Conqueror.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
I don't think I understand this, but maybe I'm missing something. The Fraudulent purchases issue came directly from the ability to gift items.
No, it was directly from the act of byuing units, not to gift the resources.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
For example, a user has 2 Accounts, A and B: Fraudulent units were purchased on Account A, then used to send Items to Account B. Account B would keep the items, and Account A would get the Negative Currency when the chargeback occurred, but Account B didn't care because Account A is not a legitimate account.
And shouldn't both accounts get banned for it? Or don't you have the ability to detect which accounts are associated with each other? Because I'm pretty you do have the capacities to do so.
Essentially this time around, nothing changes apart from these people having to do so on their main accounts. Sure, these frauds can happen anytime on the year, but you're well aware that it gets even more crazy during the gifting event. I see no mention of cap the ammount of crystals bought, or anything similar in order to reduce the need to a fraud or the ammount of gains one would get by doing so. So it's probably safe to assume that it will be the same old gifting event, in which whoever spends more wins, no cap involved.
Your issue seems to be that people can spend to participate, not the security of the Event. Those are two totally different things. Hate to break it to you, but it's a spending optional game. Always has been, always will be.
What exactly will be the full contents of these crystals? Obviously there's the Jessica Jones, Weapon X, and the same stuff as gifting crystals from previous years. However, will there be different tiers of crystals linked to progression and what are the qualities of each item in the crystals? For example, if there's 6*shards, what are the possible amounts that you can find?
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Can someone commit Fraud and buy these Crystals? Sure. It's possible. Which will then link that Fraud and said evidence to their own Account, so good luck with that.
I'm not sure what you envisioned, but people are always going to be able to spend to get more in this game. Making friends with that will save you a great deal of confusion.
I'm hoping I can get one of them at least.
So essentially nothing is changing this time around just because people are commiting such frauds in their own account
Use the stones to destroy the stones
Just because they were doing in on an alt, it wouldn't stop them from getting punished on all accounts. So nothing changes if they start doing it on their main accounts
What gives?
The date in the above announcement said you had to create your account before Nov 20th 2022 (of course it also says it ends January 2022, so it ended 11 months ago)
THe in game message however says Nov 20th, 2021.
Last year, not knowing what the rules would be, I missed out by creating my account just 2 days too late.
I appreciate the sentiment of wanting accounts that aren't 3 days old getting units from Acts 1-3... but the dates need to be moved / that account now over 1 year ago should be eligible.
Which one has the typo?
If one gets banned via something serious such as frauds, then all accounts get punished, not just the dummy alt account.
SO who is lying to us?
For example, a user has 2 Accounts, A and B: Fraudulent units were purchased on Account A, then used to send Items to Account B. Account B would keep the items, and Account A would get the Negative Currency when the chargeback occurred, but Account B didn't care because Account A is not a legitimate account.
When done through 3rd party sites, a single user could have one account that does thousands of fraudulent purchases or thousands of accounts that do one purchase each. A user would purchase from them, get their items, and then the fraudster would be left with an account that was hit with negative currency, and then later so would the user that bought from the fraudster. In this case, the fraudster doesn't care, they got their money, and now the end user is out the money they gave to the fraudster and must pay back the negative currency, which is usually a lot more than what they had already paid.
You can still gift this one last time, but that's because we know players had created alt accounts solely for Gifting and want them to get something out of it for their time. But most consumables also expire, meaning it's less lucrative for a fraudster to try and do the same with that.
And anyone else asking for clarification on requirements:
The in-game message was a typo/wrong copy. Confirming 2022 for account creation and Level 40 OR Conqueror.
Essentially this time around, nothing changes apart from these people having to do so on their main accounts. Sure, these frauds can happen anytime on the year, but you're well aware that it gets even more crazy during the gifting event.
I see no mention of cap the ammount of crystals bought, or anything similar in order to reduce the need to a fraud or the ammount of gains one would get by doing so. So it's probably safe to assume that it will be the same old gifting event, in which whoever spends more wins, no cap involved.