Its completely different in a fundamental way. The *gifting* part is mostly gone. And that changes everything.
According to the announcement, for the most part players will be buying crystals for themselves. To the extent that they will be able to gift, the gifts will have extremely limited value.
Why does it matter if you buy them yourself or are allowed to gift them to someone else? Because it is the gifting mechanism itself that amplifies the possibility of fraud by allowing fraudulent transactions to launder themselves.
To put it simply, if I use a fraudulent transaction of some kind to buy units, that transaction will be traced back to my account. But if I use a fraudulent transaction to buy units on another account and then gift the resources to my account, the fraud is traced to that other account, not mine. And while the gift exchange might be traced ultimately to my account, I can claim ignorance. I had no idea what that person was doing when we exchanged gifts. How was I supposed to know they were not buying legitimately?
Gifting essentially anonymizes fraudulent transactions. By essentially forcing everyone to buy their own crystals, Kabam can hold them singularly accountable for any fraud associated with those purchases. The likely relatively small amount of value associated with the materials that will be giftable - potions and such - will likely be too small to be profitable to exploit. Or at least dramatically lower the incentive to use the event for fraudulent transactions.
Selling Banquet crystals to players directly is no more exploitable than selling Odins to players directly. It was allowing accounts to gift that created the problem, because it created a disconnect between the account purchasing and the account ultimately receiving the value. To put it bluntly, the gifting mechanism allowed for literal money laundering. Removing that mechanism removes the critical component of the gifting event that made it uniquely vulnerable to scams and frauds.
This. They would only be doing the process a favor by fraudulent purchases. People will always be able to make purchases. That might seem unfair to people playing for free, but such is life when some have the means and some don't. (More of an add-on than a comment to you, DNA.)
It's a mobile video game, let people blow an unbelievable amount of money so you don't have to watch a "Evony" ad every minute. It doesn't affect you bro
So cheaters are fine as long as they give money. Is that what you're saying? Stop being ridiculous
This isn’t cheating. It’s just people spending money and keeping this game alive and ad free. Do you have a problem with people spending 1ks on Odins to open cav? Same concept. They are spending on themselves and that’s fine. Some people will “keep up with the jones(whales)’. Everyone else can go about their business and enjoy the game.
Yet another disappointing event from Kabam. Make people shed money during cyber weekend then follow it with another cash grab and call it “holiday event”. It’s more like “gimme-your-money event”.
I’m sure Kabam’s been very thankful, so they will make sure this event be a “fun” one (oh the irony…)
How is it any different than the way it has been for years with the gifting event following cyber weekend?
It's a mobile video game, let people blow an unbelievable amount of money so you don't have to watch a "Evony" ad every minute. It doesn't affect you bro
So cheaters are fine as long as they give money. Is that what you're saying? Stop being ridiculous
You can't gift crystals. How is someone going to cheat if you have to buy units or with real money? Why do you care anyway? Aren't you F2P and anti-anything involving real world money?
So the "consumables" that we don't exactly have have a list of yet will infact contribute points to the banquet event itself??!
Is it not obvious what they mean? Health pots, revives, energy refills etc..
1) you literally put “etc” on there, which implies there’s more. Are mastery cores consumables? Alliance items? Boosts? Energy for AQ and war? Catalysts? Cuz they’re all available for units now
2) does doing any of that count toward alliance or solo rewards of any sort?
3) I can’t think of a riskier stance to take than “isn’t it obvious…” given what we’ve seen over the past year or so. There’s no harm in asking for explicit clarifications.
So the "consumables" that we don't exactly have have a list of yet will infact contribute points to the banquet event itself??!
Is it not obvious what they mean? Health pots, revives, energy refills etc..
It's the "etc" that people are interested in... All kinds of consumables currently in our inventory.
Does that mean it includes consumables such as: Revives & Potions (regular, AQ, AW) Refills (small, full, AQ & AW small refills) Cores (Stoney, Carb, Class Mastery) Boosts (Health, Attack, Health/Attack, AW versions of such, Class Boosts, 3min AW boosts, XP boosts) Arena boosts and Arena Stamina refills Sig Stones / Awake Gems BG Shuffle Signets BG Elder Marks Duel Credits
do you know if there will be a limit on the amount of the banquet/greater banquet crystals that you can buy or the amount of consumables that you can gift?
If they did this I would eat my hat
I’d put a limit of 999 999 999 just to see you eat that hat lol
It's a mobile video game, let people blow an unbelievable amount of money so you don't have to watch a "Evony" ad every minute. It doesn't affect you bro
So cheaters are fine as long as they give money. Is that what you're saying? Stop being ridiculous
You can't gift crystals. How is someone going to cheat if you have to buy units or with real money? Why do you care anyway? Aren't you F2P and anti-anything involving real world money?
he might probably one who was selling those for money in BM ... otherwise he wont be so pissed lmao
Yet another disappointing event from Kabam. Make people shed money during cyber weekend then follow it with another cash grab and call it “holiday event”. It’s more like “gimme-your-money event”.
I’m sure Kabam’s been very thankful, so they will make sure this event be a “fun” one (oh the irony…)
Do you spend all day working for free (assuming you have a job)? I don't know why people get so worked up about a company trying to make money. If you want to complain about the product complain about that, but this game isn't a charity case for them. It is their livelihood, so duh, they want to make money. 🤦♂️
Could pulling a 6 star trophy champ give you like a trophy nexus or something? I don't want to finally get lucky enough to get a trophy champ and pull jessica jones when I've been hunting kang, thanos, and weapon x for years now
allowing people to gift consumables will make it so modders and arena bots sell consumables for less than they cost as they donhave done in years past
my opinion is that no gifting allowed of any consumables be allowed, maybe to keep the holiday spirit of giving it could be changed to how the red pocket gifting event was
allowing people to gift consumables will make it so modders and arena bots sell consumables for less than they cost as they donhave done in years past
my opinion is that no gifting allowed of any consumables be allowed, maybe to keep the holiday spirit of giving it could be changed to how the red pocket gifting event was
The Problem is, Kabam Info on "no gifting" was to late this year. People spend Money on unit dayly cards and Put work in alt Accounts. The backlash was pretty heavy. I think it's fine this way. It will be the last time anyways. And btw: modders need pots and revives? Nah...
Am I correct in thinking that the end of war season overlaps with the date you need to be in an alliance by to qualify for this event? Seems like poor planning if so, we're looking to fill 1 spot at season end, but worry no one will want to jump ship if they have to stay in alliance to get these rewards??
Its completely different in a fundamental way. The *gifting* part is mostly gone. And that changes everything.
According to the announcement, for the most part players will be buying crystals for themselves. To the extent that they will be able to gift, the gifts will have extremely limited value.
Why does it matter if you buy them yourself or are allowed to gift them to someone else? Because it is the gifting mechanism itself that amplifies the possibility of fraud by allowing fraudulent transactions to launder themselves.
To put it simply, if I use a fraudulent transaction of some kind to buy units, that transaction will be traced back to my account. But if I use a fraudulent transaction to buy units on another account and then gift the resources to my account, the fraud is traced to that other account, not mine. And while the gift exchange might be traced ultimately to my account, I can claim ignorance. I had no idea what that person was doing when we exchanged gifts. How was I supposed to know they were not buying legitimately?
Gifting essentially anonymizes fraudulent transactions. By essentially forcing everyone to buy their own crystals, Kabam can hold them singularly accountable for any fraud associated with those purchases. The likely relatively small amount of value associated with the materials that will be giftable - potions and such - will likely be too small to be profitable to exploit. Or at least dramatically lower the incentive to use the event for fraudulent transactions.
Selling Banquet crystals to players directly is no more exploitable than selling Odins to players directly. It was allowing accounts to gift that created the problem, because it created a disconnect between the account purchasing and the account ultimately receiving the value. To put it bluntly, the gifting mechanism allowed for literal money laundering. Removing that mechanism removes the critical component of the gifting event that made it uniquely vulnerable to scams and frauds.
I’d like to think the real gift is the gift we give the team with our hard earned real life currency. That’s the gift that truly keeps on giving.
Seriously, it’s a shame fraudsters ruined what was enjoyable for honest players. Even so, I won’t miss the unwanted lesser Gifting Crystals dropped on me by alliance members I neither know nor particularly like, all with an expectation of return. Too bad the game doesn’t offer a virtual holiday fruitcake to send back.
Even so, I won’t miss the unwanted lesser Gifting Crystals dropped on me by alliance members I neither know nor particularly like, all with an expectation of return.
14 days restriction it's not compatible with Battlegrounds event, I want to move to another ally for xmas event, but i will lose rewards for Battlegrounds I have work to
14 days restriction it's not compatible with Battlegrounds event, I want to move to another ally for xmas event, but i will lose rewards for Battlegrounds I have work to
As with anything in life, they are making you choose which you want to prioritize, aw, gifting, or bg rewards.
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters [removed], something that was making the company lose money. The other legitimate players can still pay for the event, and they will since there s still rank reward in it, but without being Christmassy and gift these crystals.
I can't see something that s beneficial to us, legitimate players on this. Except that...no, I can't. A little help here?
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
So, if I got this right, the game removed the Christmassy spirit gifting detail from the gifting event, to prevent cheaters in India to exploit it, something that was making the company lose money.
The gifting system was not the issue. Is the exploits and frauds that come with byuing units. Something that isn't being changed in any way this time, despite we been told it would. We pretty much got lied on the last announcement about it
To be fair, I don't see any other way (than buying units or something similar) as a mechanic for this event, to keep its "spend to get" profile.
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(More of an add-on than a comment to you, DNA.)
2) does doing any of that count toward alliance or solo rewards of any sort?
3) I can’t think of a riskier stance to take than “isn’t it obvious…” given what we’ve seen over the past year or so. There’s no harm in asking for explicit clarifications.
Does that mean it includes consumables such as:
Revives & Potions (regular, AQ, AW)
Refills (small, full, AQ & AW small refills)
Cores (Stoney, Carb, Class Mastery)
Boosts (Health, Attack, Health/Attack, AW versions of such, Class Boosts, 3min AW boosts, XP boosts)
Arena boosts and Arena Stamina refills
Sig Stones / Awake Gems
BG Shuffle Signets
BG Elder Marks
Duel Credits
my opinion is that no gifting allowed of any consumables be allowed, maybe to keep the holiday spirit of giving it could be changed to how the red pocket gifting event was
The backlash was pretty heavy. I think it's fine this way. It will be the last time anyways.
And btw: modders need pots and revives? Nah...
Seems like poor planning if so, we're looking to fill 1 spot at season end, but worry no one will want to jump ship if they have to stay in alliance to get these rewards??
Seriously, it’s a shame fraudsters ruined what was enjoyable for honest players. Even so, I won’t miss the unwanted lesser Gifting Crystals dropped on me by alliance members I neither know nor particularly like, all with an expectation of return. Too bad the game doesn’t offer a virtual holiday fruitcake to send back.
Dr. Zola
I can't see something that s beneficial to us, legitimate players on this. Except that...no, I can't. A little help here?