The biggest problem is that this isn’t even an interaction issue
Back when Drax was “bugged” anyone with him could use the bug
Same with Killmonger
Same with Archangel (albeit considering this was used in LOL I’m skeptical)
But aside from “bugging out” through content they didn’t technically get undeserved rewards or resources. They still had to fight and invest with those champions.
However this kinda falls into that weird Grey Area where “technically you got a War Dungeon Crystal… except you got the 3rd generation instead of the vastly better 2nd version of the same crystal”
“Same” reward but a much better variant (OH I GET IT!) of that reward
yeah i probably would change my oppinion too if i had those downvotes Profhoff, funny thing is no one will be satisfied with the resolution, kabam flat out ignores the player base but still during the weekend has time to make some new money grab deals...
I disagree with his points, but worth listening to.
Worth listening to in the sense that actually hearing someone support this garbage outloud confirms how indefensible it actually is.
He just released a new vid about the issue with an evolved opinion.
Evolved my butt. His first video he looked at it as a reward for rushing through the content and exploiting the bug. Now he totally changed his opinion and says it’s unfair. Worst you-tuber out there.
yeah i probably would change my oppinion too if i had those downvotes Profhoff, funny thing is no one will be satisfied with the resolution, kabam flat out ignores the player base but still during the weekend has time to make some new money grab deals...
You mean scumbags who purposely exploited a bug will be upset if kabam let’s everyone else exploit it too?
Or they’ll be upset if kabam fixes their mistake and gives them the reward they were supposed to get.. that they all knew was supposed to be for 2015 only?
The longer they prolong this the worse it will be... those new maxed champs are probably hard at work in AW to get an edge towards end of season 5 or working the boosted prestige in AQ
frankly looks like it will stay the way it is now so... guess exploiters will be happy? and community pissed?
Boss man at kabam didn’t want to deal with this on the weekend so he made a rush call and forced that poor mod to do the dirty work of letting us know.. guy probably cringed as he typed it bc he knows the shtstorm that was coming.
Nothing’s gonna happen until the boss man gets back to the office. Mods ignoring the thread bc they don’t have the authority to make a decision. Not their fault.
This is unfair. I believe Kabam is taking the wrong approach. Exploiting a bug should not be allowed at any cost. Anyone doing a rank up does it very much "knowingly" and is therefore deliberately exploiting a bug. The list of 2015 had been disclosed much prior and whoever used a rank up gem on newer champs would have anyways known how new they were in the contest.
Exploiting a bug is ok for u if u r spending lot of money on this game and lots of whales are exploiting it too. If thats not the case then obviously u will be punished for exploiting a bug.
Everyone needs to have same rewards for the completion of new quests in the game, some people were able to complete the variant diffculty and get the rank up tickets which were not fixed to be able to be used on only 2015 champs used on other champs like domino,korg etc,either their ranked up champs should be ranked down or others get the rank up gems for any champ(other than 2015)as well.It will be unfair if they get to keep ranked up champs using the rank up tickets and we get the rank up tickets for only 2015 champs
As much as people feel strongly about this, doing the Quest and using the Resources earned is not exploiting a bug. Some may have had knowledge and finished because of this, but others didn't. It's not the same as if they continued to do the Quest and farmed more than their share. It's within the normal realm of doing the Quest. That's where it's tricky. Do I think some took advantage of it? Absolutely. No question. However, you can't universally say everyone who used it was taking advantage of it. Unless you can prove everyone had knowledge, and you can't, then you can't say they exploited anything. Unfortunately, the people who took advantage of it found a window. They decided to allow them to keep it. If that's their decision, confirmed by Moderation, then I don't see them going back this long after the fact.
those that did know the gem certainly did exploit a bug.
kabam made it clear what the gem was for. they used it for something else.
i find it extremely hard to believ that players of that level did not have the knowledge.
these are the sort of people that share everything with each other and would know what kabam are doing the second kabam do it and know what each other is doin before each other do it.
within minutes of the first player finding this bug it would have been circling around the top ally chats and they would have been trying to rush so they could also get the benefit before kabam found out.
I Know for a fact that there are some players sped up their grind of the quest in an attempt to get the reward from this bug before kabam fixed it.
i am only a mid tier to low tier player and have no chance of completing this quest but i knew about the bug well before kabam fixed it due to people talking bout exploiting it.
So those that new and exploited it deliberately do not deserve better rewards then everyone else.
in fact if it was possible to see who deliberately exploited it those players would deserve a ban or something.
but it is not possible to know the mindset so there should be no punishments as such
and on the very off chance that there are some players who did not know what they did was wrong, well unfortuantely they need to have it reversed. ignorance should not be a defence. players will pleed ignorance in an attempt to not get punished
In short there are 4 catagories of people here.
1 - those that did the quest quickly and then knowingly exploited the bug.
2 - those that knew about the bug and deliberately raced to finish as to exploit it.
3 - those that did not know about the bug and mistakenly ranked up incorrectly.
4 - those that knew about the bug and chose to be honest and ranked up 2015 champs anyway.
there would be more in #1 and #2.
#3 would be a small amount.
#4 are people that actively get punished by kabam for doing the right thing if others are allowed to rank up wrong champs
I know it's probably not what people want to hear, but someone has to be the voice of reason. It's not an exploit because it's within the normal parameters of gameplay. You have to prove that people were exploiting it with knowledge. It's not enough that we know so-and-so was spreading it on Line, or this one and that one told all their Ally mates and they ran to the chance. You have to prove it using the internal data, and the only thing that shows is people completed the Quest and used their share of the Items as they received them. So how do you differentiate between people who knew and didn't? You can't.
it was an unintended bug.
that gives a small selection of players a huge benifit.
that totally destroys balance amongst similar tiered players.
the ramifications that this has for top tier wars is huge.
you will have some players now with a huge advantage in wars over others.
the only way that this can be fair is for kabam to make it even for everyone.
there is two options.
Rank down the champions that were rank incorrectly
or
Change the quest rewards to Normal gems so everyone can do the same.
It needs to be fair and balanced.
kabam scream about GAME BALANCE and FAIRNESS all the time.
the way they have played this goes against both of those.
i am not asking for bans on these people. just fairness across the player base.
THE SAME REWARDS FOR EVERY PLAYER.
Player X does something and gets the same as player Y and the same as player Z.
SIMPLE.
it was an unintended bug.
that gives a small selection of players a huge benifit.
that totally destroys balance amongst similar tiered players.
the ramifications that this has for top tier wars is huge.
you will have some players now with a huge advantage in wars over others.
the only way that this can be fair is for kabam to make it even for everyone.
there is two options.
Rank down the champions that were rank incorrectly
or
Change the quest rewards to Normal gems so everyone can do the same.
It needs to be fair and balanced.
kabam scream about GAME BALANCE and FAIRNESS all the time.
the way they have played this goes against both of those.
i am not asking for bans on these people. just fairness across the player base.
THE SAME REWARDS FOR EVERY PLAYER.
Player X does something and gets the same as player Y and the same as player Z.
SIMPLE.
Huge advantage in Top Tier Wars? Right, because we all know the Top Tier wouldn't have access to R4 some Champs.
Let's be honest, they could do it without the Gems.
Everyone has the right to be upset. The reactions aren't proportionate to the situation, though. It was a bug. They took responsibility, fixed it, and allowed people to keep what they used as a part of taking responsibility. Pages and pages of people upset because a handful of people got to use the Gems before they were fixed.
I know it's probably not what people want to hear, but someone has to be the voice of reason. It's not an exploit because it's within the normal parameters of gameplay. You have to prove that people were exploiting it with knowledge. It's not enough that we know so-and-so was spreading it on Line, or this one and that one told all their Ally mates and they ran to the chance. You have to prove it using the internal data, and the only thing that shows is people completed the Quest and used their share of the Items as they received them. So how do you differentiate between people who knew and didn't? You can't.
Lol self appointed voice of reason.
The people who completed it shouldn’t be banned or punished. The rank ups should just be reversed so everyone gets the same rewards. That’s all.
it was an unintended bug.
that gives a small selection of players a huge benifit.
that totally destroys balance amongst similar tiered players.
the ramifications that this has for top tier wars is huge.
you will have some players now with a huge advantage in wars over others.
the only way that this can be fair is for kabam to make it even for everyone.
there is two options.
Rank down the champions that were rank incorrectly
or
Change the quest rewards to Normal gems so everyone can do the same.
It needs to be fair and balanced.
kabam scream about GAME BALANCE and FAIRNESS all the time.
the way they have played this goes against both of those.
i am not asking for bans on these people. just fairness across the player base.
THE SAME REWARDS FOR EVERY PLAYER.
Player X does something and gets the same as player Y and the same as player Z.
SIMPLE.
Huge advantage in Top Tier Wars? Right, because we all know the Top Tier wouldn't have access to R4 some Champs.
Let's be honest, they could do it without the Gems.
I’m in top tier war. If I have the chance to rank up champs in then top 10 in each class versus some scrubby players for free from 2015, I would do that in a heart beat.
Even at our level, t2a is more readily available than in the past, but we are not getting 4 per month. More like 2 per month.
Our issue with this whole fiasco is that a lot of people were able to r4 a blade, korg, killmonger, etc... while the rest of us have to r4 some really mediocre champions.
I’m sure someone used this exploit on a brand new champion and laughed about it.
You cannot sit there with a straight face and say that everyone should not get the same rewards for doing the same content. You are just trolling if you say otherwise.
Kabam giving the rest of the summoners the same rank up outside of 2015 champs is really the fair thing to do.
I have 100% this event and it’s tough. A generic would be worth it even.
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He just released a new vid about the issue with an evolved opinion.
He has no idea what he's talking about. He doesn't think things trough before posting videos, which is why he has to make so many retractions.
Back when Drax was “bugged” anyone with him could use the bug
Same with Killmonger
Same with Archangel (albeit considering this was used in LOL I’m skeptical)
But aside from “bugging out” through content they didn’t technically get undeserved rewards or resources. They still had to fight and invest with those champions.
However this kinda falls into that weird Grey Area where “technically you got a War Dungeon Crystal… except you got the 3rd generation instead of the vastly better 2nd version of the same crystal”
“Same” reward but a much better variant (OH I GET IT!) of that reward
Evolved my butt. His first video he looked at it as a reward for rushing through the content and exploiting the bug. Now he totally changed his opinion and says it’s unfair. Worst you-tuber out there.
You mean scumbags who purposely exploited a bug will be upset if kabam let’s everyone else exploit it too?
Or they’ll be upset if kabam fixes their mistake and gives them the reward they were supposed to get.. that they all knew was supposed to be for 2015 only?
I’m confused.
Boss man at kabam didn’t want to deal with this on the weekend so he made a rush call and forced that poor mod to do the dirty work of letting us know.. guy probably cringed as he typed it bc he knows the shtstorm that was coming.
Nothing’s gonna happen until the boss man gets back to the office. Mods ignoring the thread bc they don’t have the authority to make a decision. Not their fault.
Exploiting a bug is ok for u if u r spending lot of money on this game and lots of whales are exploiting it too. If thats not the case then obviously u will be punished for exploiting a bug.
And on other hand there are cheaters and exploited bug users
Kabam you always disappoint the loyal community
From alliance wars piloting to exploiting the bug you guys always support the wrong persons
Further you not giving a fix for Android 6.0.1 Devices for unending loading screens
I don't know which direction is game going but i definitely know that this is not a right direction
#RIP-Justice
Kabam supports players that spend money.. doesnt matter that player is cheating or loyal.
kabam made it clear what the gem was for. they used it for something else.
i find it extremely hard to believ that players of that level did not have the knowledge.
these are the sort of people that share everything with each other and would know what kabam are doing the second kabam do it and know what each other is doin before each other do it.
within minutes of the first player finding this bug it would have been circling around the top ally chats and they would have been trying to rush so they could also get the benefit before kabam found out.
I Know for a fact that there are some players sped up their grind of the quest in an attempt to get the reward from this bug before kabam fixed it.
i am only a mid tier to low tier player and have no chance of completing this quest but i knew about the bug well before kabam fixed it due to people talking bout exploiting it.
So those that new and exploited it deliberately do not deserve better rewards then everyone else.
in fact if it was possible to see who deliberately exploited it those players would deserve a ban or something.
but it is not possible to know the mindset so there should be no punishments as such
and on the very off chance that there are some players who did not know what they did was wrong, well unfortuantely they need to have it reversed. ignorance should not be a defence. players will pleed ignorance in an attempt to not get punished
In short there are 4 catagories of people here.
1 - those that did the quest quickly and then knowingly exploited the bug.
2 - those that knew about the bug and deliberately raced to finish as to exploit it.
3 - those that did not know about the bug and mistakenly ranked up incorrectly.
4 - those that knew about the bug and chose to be honest and ranked up 2015 champs anyway.
there would be more in #1 and #2.
#3 would be a small amount.
#4 are people that actively get punished by kabam for doing the right thing if others are allowed to rank up wrong champs
that gives a small selection of players a huge benifit.
that totally destroys balance amongst similar tiered players.
the ramifications that this has for top tier wars is huge.
you will have some players now with a huge advantage in wars over others.
the only way that this can be fair is for kabam to make it even for everyone.
there is two options.
Rank down the champions that were rank incorrectly
or
Change the quest rewards to Normal gems so everyone can do the same.
It needs to be fair and balanced.
kabam scream about GAME BALANCE and FAIRNESS all the time.
the way they have played this goes against both of those.
i am not asking for bans on these people. just fairness across the player base.
THE SAME REWARDS FOR EVERY PLAYER.
Player X does something and gets the same as player Y and the same as player Z.
SIMPLE.
Huge advantage in Top Tier Wars? Right, because we all know the Top Tier wouldn't have access to R4 some Champs.
Let's be honest, they could do it without the Gems.
Lol self appointed voice of reason.
The people who completed it shouldn’t be banned or punished. The rank ups should just be reversed so everyone gets the same rewards. That’s all.
I’m in top tier war. If I have the chance to rank up champs in then top 10 in each class versus some scrubby players for free from 2015, I would do that in a heart beat.
Even at our level, t2a is more readily available than in the past, but we are not getting 4 per month. More like 2 per month.
Our issue with this whole fiasco is that a lot of people were able to r4 a blade, korg, killmonger, etc... while the rest of us have to r4 some really mediocre champions.
I’m sure someone used this exploit on a brand new champion and laughed about it.
You cannot sit there with a straight face and say that everyone should not get the same rewards for doing the same content. You are just trolling if you say otherwise.
Kabam giving the rest of the summoners the same rank up outside of 2015 champs is really the fair thing to do.
I have 100% this event and it’s tough. A generic would be worth it even.