Grounded you always(!) without fail agree with Kabam. MD, Drax, Archangel, the repeat EQ rewards everything!
MD had merits as an open discussion sure
But Drax invalidated a defender and his utility was what helped many players choose him because in your words “WHO GOES ON THE FORUMS?!” And FURTHERMORE is still NOT fixed on Archangel and X23!
Blade-Mordo interaction change impacted part of his utility (small but whatever)
ARCHANGEL’s “bug” was beneficial to LOL completion and AW wins
This is a clear exploitation of rewards that Kabam has officially allowed. The scope of this is paramount to literally comparing borderline useless champions to HIGHLY COMPARABLE GODS! that Kabam intended the opposite for!
Grounded you always(!) without fail agree with Kabam. MD, Drax, Archangel, the repeat EQ rewards everything!
MD had merits as an open discussion sure
But Drax invalidated a defender and his utility was what helped many players choose him because in your words “WHO GOES ON THE FORUMS?!” And FURTHERMORE is still NOT fixed on Archangel and X23!
Blade-Mordo interaction change impacted part of his utility (small but whatever)
ARCHANGEL’s “bug” was beneficial to LOL completion and AW wins
This is a clear exploitation of rewards that Kabam has officially allowed. The scope of this is paramount to literally comparing borderline useless champions to HIGHLY COMPARABLE GODS! that Kabam intended the opposite for!
That's a whole lot of Topics that aren't what the Thread is about.
Clearly they didn't allow it because as soon as it was brought to their attention, the ability to use them was disabled, and a fix was pushed.
You people really can’t help yourselves. Stop talking to someone who you will never convince and who doesn’t care what you have to say and can’t fix the problem anyway.
I just think the advantage given for this is waaaay more impactful to some.
Maybe if someone pulled a mystic r3 to r4 they have some good options like Magik/Dr Strange but some of the classes aren’t as fortunate.
I pulled a mutant r3 to r4 gem for completing a few hours after the “fix” and my options kind of stink.
Mags/Cyclops/Storm/Colossus.
That’s it... whereas someone who finished a little earlier has options like; Emma, Omega, Iceman, Archangel, x-23, Rogue, Cable, or even Nightcrawler.
I think that's the heart of the issue being communicated. It's really not T2A scarcity, the Gems award the same T2As. It's the fact that people had more options because of the glitch. The problem is that wasn't by design.
*Thought about not posting this due to the emotions and unreasonable responses I’ll recieve from it. But then decided i’ll go ahead and just ignore the typical fallacies employed by people it contradicts as i don’t really want to waste time with unreasonable people posting from an emotional or self serving position.
There are a lot of assumptions, hyperbole, missrepresentation and bad analogies in this thread, which I’m guessing is coming from emotions due to t2a being a coveted resource; although this could also be driven by certain players trying to engineer war seasons by disadvantaging others; something we’ve seen done in the past with falsified line conversations and the posts surronding them. This doesn’t strengthen arguements or lend credence to points made, it weakens them and in some cases completely negates them.
1) “They knew they were exploiting.” Sans being a mind reader that’s an unfounded assertion. While some knew it is unreasonable to assume all knew. It is not unreasonable for people to be ignorant of who the gem was intended for. Knowing what a 2015 champion is not something most people are familiar with nor is it a requirement for using an item. People could pop the crystal and then look for the blue arrow on who thier rank up options were wittout reading a single word.
You do not need to even be able to read to see this; hey I got a gem for completion of this chapter, lets see who has a blue arrow allowing a rank up from this; awesome i can now rank up these champions, don’t mind if i do. They did not question if it was meant to be and decided it was worth the resources to blast through the event spending resources/cash to get an edge in the war season and next AQ cycle.
People could’ve also only had the 4-5 gem in mind, didn’t pay any mind to the other gems and then used the gems as they were being allowed to use them when looking at thier rank up options.
Using an item in game obtained from playing is not an offense.
These scenarios possibly leave people who played the game these ways at a loss because they might not have expended the time nor resources under these conditions.
2). “It’s unfair.” Everyone had the oppritunity to blast through the event in 24 hours. If you didn’t that sucks but on the other side those who blasted through the event to obtain these rewards put in time and resources to do it for the rewards they were given. If people ran the event to obtain them as quick as possible they are now out time and effort if those rank ups are reversed; this would be taking action against someone that will actually be negative rather than give the illusion of being negative to people who didn’t experience this bug.
3) “This is analgous to past events.” Nope this is a separate event, people are not able to rerun this event for as many resources as they have the time to obtain; they are one time rewards.
This thread is like a salt and jelly sandwich which people are eating it up, ranting and raving about then coming back for more.
I’m not opposed to ranking down champions that were ranked up due to a bug, if they can even do that; the gem could’ve had a separate description but been classified as a standard gem one would obtain from act 5 or even the 3-4 gem obtained from the event itself, this leaves Kabam without a reasonable ability to determine which gems were used from act 5 or the Ultron event. But some people are making way to much out of it and abandoning reason to do so, leave the emotions out of it, this will only taint the enjoyment you derive from this game; but again for some that is what they get out of the game, an excuse to fly off the handle over spilled milk, inviting company over to share their misery and fanning the flames of mob mentality; these are often the people who ignore others (and suggest others do so as well) and by matter of course simply dismiss someone’s opinion that is contradictory to their own.
As many have stated, there are two reasonable options:
1. Reverse any rank ups that were used on non 2015. Refund all resources. It was kabams fault, don’t think any one should recieve any kind of punishment for it.
@GroundedWisdom how is it “equally unfair” to derank champs that were illegitimately ranked up? It was explicitly stated that they were for 2015 champs only. Ranking them down and allowing the players to use them on appropriate and intended champs is the opposite of unfair. They weren’t supposed to be able to do it, so now they can’t. Not unfair. Did you benefit from the exploit?
How could he have benefited? Have you seen his profile? Dude sucks in the game majorly. For crying out loud he just became uncollected after spending like 10k units. I don’t take anything he says serious since he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Everyone here has a fantastic point! i have no idea how this thread has gone on so long without any kind of word from a moderator, They state that they want to make the contest a fair and enjoyable experience for all, something that recently they have been doing a good job with.. but not with this! anyone who didnt pay a ridiculous amount of money or units to blast their way through this has been given a massive disadvantage... This appears to be favouritism, the clear fix for this is either force those rank downs and give them the gems again to use on 2015 champs, or totally remove the restriction if they refuse to do so...
This brings a very clear unbalance to the contest and needs to be addressed and fixed asap!
I agree that you cannot assume that everyone was exploiting who raced to complete this event and then used the gems.
However, the stated rewards were 2015 r3-4 for exploration and therefore they should have any champs they used it on ranked down or similar rewards give to everyone else as the complete the content, whether that be next week or next year.
The argument that someone made about ranking down someones champs is "unfair" is a bit hilarious. It doesn't matter that they raced through in 24 hours. They were no stated rewards for finishing in 24 hours. Either 1) they planned to race through for the other rewards and therefore fixing their bugged reward should not be surprising to them or 2) they knew that the reward was bugged and raced through to complete it before it was fixed and therefore intentionally exploited a bug. In either case, they should be ranked down and since you can't easily tell difference between scenario 1) or 2) there shouldn't be a punishment handed out in addition to the rank down. If doing a rank down is too difficult (which it shouldn't be since they have in the past), then change the gems so they work on everyone for anyone who completes the content. However, the second scenario (as much as I would love that solution haha) is getting more cumbersome to do with each passing day as more and more people complete the content. Therefore easier to track who finished any of the required exploration before the bug was fixed and look at the logs of what they did with the crystal and pushing through rank downs as needed.
As many have stated, there are two reasonable options:
1. Reverse any rank ups that were used on non 2015. Refund all resources. It was kabams fault, don’t think any one should recieve any kind of punishment for it.
2. Get rid of the restriction on the gems
Everyone should get the same rewards.
The current solution is unacceptable in my mind.
Such an obvious solution that affects no one unfairly, yet people still have their agendas
Calling It an exploit doesn't account for people that just played the Quest and used their Items. Not everyone was aware it was intended for 2015 Champs alone. Exploiting something implies knowledge that it's not intended. It's just a tricky situation is all. I get that some people feel it's unfair, but it's equally unfair to try and Derank people who had no knowledge and just used the Items. Nor do I think it would be a feasible solution. It was something that was caught fairly quickly and fixed, so we're not talking a large number of people who used them. I don't see how it's an issue, considering the people capable of earning those shouldn't be short of the Resources to R4 in general. That just leaves people wanting the same freedom, but that's equally not feasible because it would be asking them to reinstate a bug after it's fixed. It's just not an easy situation to address.
No one. Literally not one person that has 100%ed this quest didn't know that the gems were supposed to be limited.You defend all decisions by Kabam unless they affect you personally (hard side quests, 1 man alliances, etc.). This is an egregious miss by Kabam. 3 2015 rank ups are moderately valuable. 3 rank ups for anyone are extremely valuable. They should unrank the champs or give everyone the same advantage.
This was definitely an exploit by Kabam’s definition of an exploit and people who used it knew exactly what they were doing (myself included). And Kabam certainly has the means to identify who used the exploit and reverse the rank-up, but I think to Kabam this falls under “not majorly impacting the balance of the contest”. Kabam states that they go after game-breaking bugs/exploits based on the severity of impact. While many players still struggle to get T2A, this exploit did not really upset the balance of the game in any way. At least that’s how I think Kabam is looking at this. If there was something wrong with the 4->5 gem then they definitely would have done something. In my opinion they should reverse the ineligible rankups.
Let’s rewind a little under a month. Everyone is fawning over the new buffs, Symbiote Supreme causing controversy regarding classic strange and the little buddy are carving his way through Symbiote difficulty.
Fast forward to rewards! People start popping off refills and there’s a bunch of people already 100%
They spin the crystal annnnnnd… it’s THE WRONG FEATURED CRYSTAL!
Now instead of people having mixed up pools of equally relevant champions (a strong mix of god tiers and a few duds each) we have the difference between Hawkeye and Blade, Storm and Emma, Venom to Carnage, and hulk all the way to Wasp or Ragnarok or CAIW
The first example was to give a base “yeah it’s technically the same” but in the ongoing case we have champions left behind through power crawl (it’s a full sprint nowadays tho) when it’s unanimous that the generic version is vastly the superior pick and not a preference between featured crystals. You just said if yourself that it’s not a matter of resources persay but the fact that they were limited to specific champions compared to full range of whoever people wanted
This was definitely an exploit by Kabam’s definition of an exploit and people who used it knew exactly what they were doing (myself included). And Kabam certainly has the means to identify who used the exploit and reverse the rank-up, but I think to Kabam this falls under “not majorly impacting the balance of the contest”. Kabam states that they go after game-breaking bugs/exploits based on the severity of impact. While many players still struggle to get T2A, this exploit did not really upset the balance of the game in any way. At least that’s how I think Kabam is looking at this. If there was something wrong with the 4->5 gem then they definitely would have done something. In my opinion they should reverse the ineligible rankups.
Yea no real difference between r4ing magneto vs r4ing Emma and then getting a r4 to r5 gem and using it on her. No impact.
@GroundedWisdom how is it “equally unfair” to derank champs that were illegitimately ranked up? It was explicitly stated that they were for 2015 champs only. Ranking them down and allowing the players to use them on appropriate and intended champs is the opposite of unfair. They weren’t supposed to be able to do it, so now they can’t. Not unfair. Did you benefit from the exploit?
How could he have benefited? Have you seen his profile? Dude sucks in the game majorly. For crying out loud he just became uncollected after spending like 10k units. I don’t take anything he says serious since he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but I never spent 10k Units to become Uncollected. By the arguments in this Thread, it's an issue that apparently affects everyone who never used the Gems. That would involve me as well.
Regardless, it's a discussion and anyone can comment on it. Whether they agree with the venting or not.
Let’s rewind a little under a month. Everyone is fawning over the new buffs, Symbiote Supreme causing controversy regarding classic strange and the little buddy are carving his way through Symbiote difficulty.
Fast forward to rewards! People start popping off refills and there’s a bunch of people already 100%
They spin the crystal annnnnnd… it’s THE WRONG FEATURED CRYSTAL!
Now instead of people having mixed up pools of equally relevant champions (a strong mix of god tiers and a few duds each) we have the difference between Hawkeye and Blade, Storm and Emma, Venom to Carnage, and hulk all the way to Wasp or Ragnarok or CAIW
The first example was to give a base “yeah it’s technically the same” but in the ongoing case we have champions left behind through power crawl (it’s a full sprint nowadays tho) when it’s unanimous that the generic version is vastly the superior pick and not a preference between featured crystals. You just said if yourself that it’s not a matter of resources persay but the fact that they were limited to specific champions compared to full range of whoever people wanted
I just commented that I understood the real issue was that some had more options than others. No need to further explain. How the issue is addressed is another story.
I don't think it's fair to Derank all those Champs people used their Gems for. Some weren't even aware something was amiss. I am not accepting the idea that every single person who used it was aware and trying to take advantage. Not every person anyway. That means it's equally as unfair to them to lose their Rank-Ups. It was through no fault of their own.
As someone else pointed out, the overall effect also plays a part. Since it was caught early, the number of people who used it was not likely great. A handful of people who Ranked newer Champs is not enough to throw the game out of whack. Many more do that naturally on a regular basis.
Equally as problematic is the idea of making them universal for everyone. That would involve something I've never seen intentionally (intentionally!) done, which is reinstating a bug after it's fixed. That would entail recoding the Gems, and then what of the people who used them after the fix? Do you Derank for them as well, if they can even do that easily, and then send more out of fairness? It's just compounding issues.
Is it the best scenario? No. When problems come up, it never is. It's a fast solution, anyway.
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MD had merits as an open discussion sure
But Drax invalidated a defender and his utility was what helped many players choose him because in your words “WHO GOES ON THE FORUMS?!” And FURTHERMORE is still NOT fixed on Archangel and X23!
Blade-Mordo interaction change impacted part of his utility (small but whatever)
ARCHANGEL’s “bug” was beneficial to LOL completion and AW wins
This is a clear exploitation of rewards that Kabam has officially allowed. The scope of this is paramount to literally comparing borderline useless champions to HIGHLY COMPARABLE GODS! that Kabam intended the opposite for!
That's a whole lot of Topics that aren't what the Thread is about.
Clearly they didn't allow it because as soon as it was brought to their attention, the ability to use them was disabled, and a fix was pushed.
Talk to kabam.
Maybe if someone pulled a mystic r3 to r4 they have some good options like Magik/Dr Strange but some of the classes aren’t as fortunate.
I pulled a mutant r3 to r4 gem for completing a few hours after the “fix” and my options kind of stink.
Mags/Cyclops/Storm/Colossus.
That’s it... whereas someone who finished a little earlier has options like; Emma, Omega, Iceman, Archangel, x-23, Rogue, Cable, or even Nightcrawler.
I think that's the heart of the issue being communicated. It's really not T2A scarcity, the Gems award the same T2As. It's the fact that people had more options because of the glitch. The problem is that wasn't by design.
Seems like kabam is violating its TOS to us
Different rewards then what was stated
Kabam must make rewards the same
Either unrank champs that were not eligible to use the crystal and did
Or
Make crystal non year specific to all
What else is new?
Garbage.
1. Reverse any rank ups that were used on non 2015. Refund all resources. It was kabams fault, don’t think any one should recieve any kind of punishment for it.
2. Get rid of the restriction on the gems
Everyone should get the same rewards.
The current solution is unacceptable in my mind.
How could he have benefited? Have you seen his profile? Dude sucks in the game majorly. For crying out loud he just became uncollected after spending like 10k units. I don’t take anything he says serious since he really doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
This brings a very clear unbalance to the contest and needs to be addressed and fixed asap!
Alphascorpion
However, the stated rewards were 2015 r3-4 for exploration and therefore they should have any champs they used it on ranked down or similar rewards give to everyone else as the complete the content, whether that be next week or next year.
The argument that someone made about ranking down someones champs is "unfair" is a bit hilarious. It doesn't matter that they raced through in 24 hours. They were no stated rewards for finishing in 24 hours. Either 1) they planned to race through for the other rewards and therefore fixing their bugged reward should not be surprising to them or 2) they knew that the reward was bugged and raced through to complete it before it was fixed and therefore intentionally exploited a bug. In either case, they should be ranked down and since you can't easily tell difference between scenario 1) or 2) there shouldn't be a punishment handed out in addition to the rank down. If doing a rank down is too difficult (which it shouldn't be since they have in the past), then change the gems so they work on everyone for anyone who completes the content. However, the second scenario (as much as I would love that solution haha) is getting more cumbersome to do with each passing day as more and more people complete the content. Therefore easier to track who finished any of the required exploration before the bug was fixed and look at the logs of what they did with the crystal and pushing through rank downs as needed.
Such an obvious solution that affects no one unfairly, yet people still have their agendas
No one. Literally not one person that has 100%ed this quest didn't know that the gems were supposed to be limited.You defend all decisions by Kabam unless they affect you personally (hard side quests, 1 man alliances, etc.). This is an egregious miss by Kabam. 3 2015 rank ups are moderately valuable. 3 rank ups for anyone are extremely valuable. They should unrank the champs or give everyone the same advantage.
Let’s rewind a little under a month. Everyone is fawning over the new buffs, Symbiote Supreme causing controversy regarding classic strange and the little buddy are carving his way through Symbiote difficulty.
Fast forward to rewards! People start popping off refills and there’s a bunch of people already 100%
They spin the crystal annnnnnd… it’s THE WRONG FEATURED CRYSTAL!
Now instead of people having mixed up pools of equally relevant champions (a strong mix of god tiers and a few duds each) we have the difference between Hawkeye and Blade, Storm and Emma, Venom to Carnage, and hulk all the way to Wasp or Ragnarok or CAIW
The first example was to give a base “yeah it’s technically the same” but in the ongoing case we have champions left behind through power crawl (it’s a full sprint nowadays tho) when it’s unanimous that the generic version is vastly the superior pick and not a preference between featured crystals. You just said if yourself that it’s not a matter of resources persay but the fact that they were limited to specific champions compared to full range of whoever people wanted
Yea no real difference between r4ing magneto vs r4ing Emma and then getting a r4 to r5 gem and using it on her. No impact.
Kabam didn’t fix this by replacing all gems that hadn’t been used yet. They just fixed the new ones awarded after exploration.
Wow. Just wow
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but I never spent 10k Units to become Uncollected. By the arguments in this Thread, it's an issue that apparently affects everyone who never used the Gems. That would involve me as well.
Regardless, it's a discussion and anyone can comment on it. Whether they agree with the venting or not.
I acquired a gem before the fix . Coulda used it, but didn’t.
It no longer works on on non 2015 champs
I just commented that I understood the real issue was that some had more options than others. No need to further explain. How the issue is addressed is another story.
I don't think it's fair to Derank all those Champs people used their Gems for. Some weren't even aware something was amiss. I am not accepting the idea that every single person who used it was aware and trying to take advantage. Not every person anyway. That means it's equally as unfair to them to lose their Rank-Ups. It was through no fault of their own.
As someone else pointed out, the overall effect also plays a part. Since it was caught early, the number of people who used it was not likely great. A handful of people who Ranked newer Champs is not enough to throw the game out of whack. Many more do that naturally on a regular basis.
Equally as problematic is the idea of making them universal for everyone. That would involve something I've never seen intentionally (intentionally!) done, which is reinstating a bug after it's fixed. That would entail recoding the Gems, and then what of the people who used them after the fix? Do you Derank for them as well, if they can even do that easily, and then send more out of fairness? It's just compounding issues.
Is it the best scenario? No. When problems come up, it never is. It's a fast solution, anyway.
That’s not what I saw with my own eyes 2 hours ago 🤷🏻♂️