2015 rank up gems [Merged Threads]

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  • Midknight007Midknight007 Member Posts: 769 ★★★
    As much as people feel strongly about this, doing the Quest and using the Resources earned is not exploiting a bug. Some may have had knowledge and finished because of this, but others didn't. It's not the same as if they continued to do the Quest and farmed more than their share. It's within the normal realm of doing the Quest. That's where it's tricky. Do I think some took advantage of it? Absolutely. No question. However, you can't universally say everyone who used it was taking advantage of it. Unless you can prove everyone had knowledge, and you can't, then you can't say they exploited anything. Unfortunately, the people who took advantage of it found a window. They decided to allow them to keep it. If that's their decision, confirmed by Moderation, then I don't see them going back this long after the fact.

    Ahem.... refer to Profhoff’s vid that talks of an endgame player who caught the bug and ASKED him if he should use it to rank up Corvus. I doubt end game players did not know the gem was only meant for 2015 champs. I have seen direct evidence against that.

    It would be an exploit in that case, and in most cases. The end game players do not live in bubbles, and their alliance do talk of rewards and who to rank.

    Beside ignorance of the rules is not excuse to break them. Most are not asking for punishment to the players. Only for a reversal of the misused rank up, or changing the reward to any champ so all have the same rewards.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    edited November 2018
    TugaDav wrote: »
    Everyone has the right to be upset. The reactions aren't proportionate to the situation, though. It was a bug. They took responsibility, fixed it, and allowed people to keep what they used as a part of taking responsibility. Pages and pages of people upset because a handful of people got to use the Gems before they were fixed.

    Pages and pages of your spam already. Wasting the time of thousands reading this thread that have to put up with your attention seeking behaviour.
    This thread is a merger and the only place where several thousands are currently seeking a proper solution for this bug.
    You don't bring absolutely nothing relevant to the table and already said you don't care about this bug in several repetitive comments. So why are you still here derailing and spamming?

    We are not here discussing bans or guessing who was naive enough not to know they were exploiting a bug. That's a pointless and irrelevant discussion that any smart person knows will lead nowhere. A waste of time. If you want to derail about it, go discuss it with your peers in a different thread.

    The thousands of people here exposing the case to kabam care about the unbalance created by the equivalent to extra 12 T2As, given to just a few, in the competitive modes of the game, and want it fixed.
    We already had to read dozens of your comments saying you don't care about this. No one here cares that you don't care!

    Pages and pages of spam? Doubtful. I've commented a couple times and then let people express themselves. At this point, it's just snowballing so I'm interjecting with some sense. Spam is not a view that doesn't coincide with the majority.
    The subject of exploit has been mentioned countless times. If you're going to call something an exploit and hold every single person who used their Gems as responsible for exploiting, you need to base it on an actual exploit. Otherwise, all you have is people who completed the content and used what they earned. Some were aware and some weren't.
    Nowhere in my last couple comments did I say I don't care. I said the reactions are becoming out of proportion with the situation. All this talk about game balance is not in proportion. How many people used the Gems? Not many I'm willing to bet. The people capable of breezing through the content that quickly aren't at a loss for materials for that matter. They no doubt already have stacked Rosters, and are fighting other people with stacked Rosters. That would no more affect the overall balance of the game than those few people Ranking their Champs normally.
    The topic of whether people were aware or not is pertinent because outside of that, you have a glitch that was fixed and they decided to let people keep it. Not the first time they've done that. It's an act of good faith for the people who were affected by the mistake. Some would no doubt be worried after the fact. Not everyone is trying to take the loot and run off into the sunset.
    Let's be real here. The real issue is the bitterness that some people got to Rank newer Champs and others aren't happy with the rest of the options. Out of that, we get pages and pages of venting about exploits and histrionics about going to the media and quitting the game.
    So, yes. I came in to speak some logic because if I was waiting for the emotions to die down, it would be Christmas.
  • FrankmcocFrankmcoc Member Posts: 148
    edited November 2018
    Not logic stupidity. Come on guy....out of the 1000s of comments less then a handful of people say to punish the exploiters.

    People are saying that the rewards need to be consistent.

    What is fair is fair.

    What if the bug had the 2015 3-4 rank ups useable as generic 4-5 rank ups, should anyone who used that be able to keep them. Think mcfly

    Many resources in this game are scarce....they are kept at a certain level and maintain a certain amount of balance.

    Btw I 100 percent explored chapter 1 in time to use the gem on any year champ, but didn’t......if I would have i would expect it to be ranked down.

    And yes the free godtier r4 rank up would make a huge difference to my roster in all content and especially competitiveness in aw

    Just because someone had the balls to not follow the rules and use the gem on someone they shouldn’t have doesn’t mean they should be allowed to keep it. (Unless Kabam feels everyone that beats the same content gets the same reward)

  • Midknight007Midknight007 Member Posts: 769 ★★★
    Frankmcoc wrote: »
    Not logic stupidity. Come on guy....out of the 1000s of comments less then a handful of people say to punish the exploiters.

    People are saying that the rewards need to be consistent.

    What is fair is fair.

    What if the bug had the 2015 3-4 rank ups useable as generic 4-5 rank ups, should anyone who used that be able to keep them. Think mcfly

    Many resources in this game are scarce....they are kept at a certain level and maintain a certain amount of balance.

    Btw I 100 percent explored chapter 1 in time to use the gem on any year champ, but didn’t......if I would have i would expect it to be ranked down.

    And yes the free godtier r4 rank up would make a huge difference to my roster in all content and especially competitiveness in aw

    Just because someone had the balls to not follow the rules and use the gem on someone they shouldn’t have doesn’t mean they should be allowed to keep it. (Unless Kabam feels everyone that beat the same content gets the same reward)

    I want to say thank you for not using the gem on a non-2015 champ. It really shows the caliber of person you are. If they did make the rewards permanent, I hope they give you a rank down ticket to give you the same option.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,481 ★★★★★
    Obfuscating? No. I'm trying to explain the other side of things. There's lots of room for complaints. 14 pages of them. I'm not stopping people. That doesn't mean I'm not going to speak some sense.
  • MrMaatMrMaat Member Posts: 302 ★★
    Just stop....

    Just stop this back and forward.

    We get it @GroundedWisdom we get you dont agree.
    you have made your point and you have made it again and again.
    you are not going to get anyone to change their opinion no matter how hard you try and no matter what you say.
    So just stop.
    you have said your piece now stop.

    And to everyone replying to the comments they disagree with (like i have been doing myself)
    also just stop.
    Almost all of us are on the same wavelength here.
    Lets just say our peace. and move on.
    Come back and comment to remind Kabam we are not going anywhere and we want acknowledgement and resolution, but also stop.
    Almsot noone here disagrees.
    Kabam can see that.
    Almost all of us feel the same.

    There is no need to keep arguing and trying to get GW to change his opinion and stance cus it will not happen.
    Lets just agree to disagree and move on.

    ALL WE NEED TO DO HERE IS REMIND KABAM THEY HAVE DONE WRONG AND NEED TO FIX IT
  • RektorRektor Member Posts: 678 ★★★
    It’s amazing to me how much effort people give to try to convince someone when he cant help you either way.

    You’d think gamers would easily recognize when they’re the ones getting played.

    Stop taking the bait. He can’t do anything to help you anyway.
  • Archit_Tandon498Archit_Tandon498 Member Posts: 325 ★★
    Let's just say that this is end game content, and someone who just got uncollected is way too far away from exploring anytime soon, he doesn't know the value of r4s. By his ideology, if a millionaire got a cheque for 1 million dollars when the intended amount was 1000 dollars, he should be allowed to keep it since it was only one person and already had millions.
  • Snail_McGavinSnail_McGavin Member Posts: 105
    Is 20 comments considered only a couple?
  • Snail_McGavinSnail_McGavin Member Posts: 105
    *Are
  • WahyauWahyau Member Posts: 32
    Kabam please let us know whether it is from this point on acceptable and OK to exploit bugs. If the rewards are not being made the same for all players OR ranks up that were already made during the bug phase not being reverted, it would set the wrong precedent.
  • RektorRektor Member Posts: 678 ★★★
    Wahyau wrote: »
    Kabam please let us know whether it is from this point on acceptable and OK to exploit bugs. If the rewards are not being made the same for all players OR ranks up that were already made during the bug phase not being reverted, it would set the wrong precedent.


    I’d like to know as well.

    Can we exploit bugs that unfairly advance our account now without fear? There’s so many every month and I don’t want to miss out again.
  • ZainshamsZainshams Member Posts: 102
    edited November 2018
    Wahyau wrote: »
    Kabam please let us know whether it is from this point on acceptable and OK to exploit bugs. If the rewards are not being made the same for all players OR ranks up that were already made during the bug phase not being reverted, it would set the wrong precedent.


    I know many people won't be answered and they'll let this thread (possibly close this 1) as we had a discussion which had over 60k views and so many comments. I'm sure many will know what that thread was about.
    We have some mods online now but yes we won't be answered because they'll answer when they wish. Pity
  • RektorRektor Member Posts: 678 ★★★
    Haji_Saab wrote: »
    I think the back issue #1 succeeded in creating the nostalgia that they were aiming to achieve.

    I remember a similar discussion in 2015 about some crystals that people spun again and again and were allowed to keep the rewards.. I was only starting back them.

    I believe the quote was “Lol..that was the best $700 I ever spent.”

    To find such joy in getting endless re-spins of a digital crystal.
  • TsunaniTsunani Member Posts: 173
    Typical kabam, incompetence, lazy and unfair "solution" and ignoring complaints.
  • RektorRektor Member Posts: 678 ★★★
    People really need to use block list.
  • Bruce12342Bruce12342 Member Posts: 237
    Morning Kabam. You posted this Friday at 4:59PM in hopes that we would forget all about it. It’s Monday and we’re still infuriated.

    Rectify this issue.
  • razorjack10razorjack10 Member Posts: 42
    I m telling you kabam will not reply on this forum post. How about delete this game?
  • Midknight007Midknight007 Member Posts: 769 ★★★
    This is the issue... What is exploiting a "bug" at this point? This wasn't a map that gave rewards after clearing a path on the second and third run through.

    Several knew the limitation of the crystal, saw they could use it on any champ, but still used it on the 2015 champs (as they were honest players). They were equally robbed of using the crystal for ill-gotten gains, because they are honest (and several commented on this thread about the dissatisfaction in Kabam's decision. They were acting under the understanding doing such would exploit the bug and based on previous roll back (even bans) Kabam did in the past.

    Kabam is simply rewarding those that do not care about rules and is creating an unstable environment where people have to guess at what they can and cannot do to appease their overlords.. ahem I mean game developers. It is inconsistent messages and judgements that create uncertainty in how to play the game.

    Do we follow the rules only to miss out on a potential ruling that would reap significant rewards if we were dishonest? Or simply ignore rules that we established as and only worry about it should Kabam get angry?

    It is inconsistencies like this that breeds uncertainty and adds to the levels of lack of trust in Kabam. Many of us agree not to punish the players that used the rank ups (though most have done do full well knowing it was an exploit). Just that something needs to be done to allow others the same benefit if they decide not to roll back the rank ups and give back the players the resources (gold and iso) to level up those champs.
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