the only youtuber i usualy follow is seatin, but if i dont see something from him the subscribes are done
Interesting thing is there are youtubers who haven’t even finished this yet that refuse to speak out about the rank ups even though they got screwed over too.
It’s almost like an alliance is threatening to kick you out if you speak on YouTube about this because they want to keep their 2018 rank ups for defense.
Surprise is not even youtubers talk about this issue except dorky. Because they also did rank ups so decided to ignore this issue.
If they really discussed about this issue and their thoughts pls provide me the link.
Dave is the only one with the backbone to address this so far. Everyone else is keeping quiet on YouTube to avoid controversy, even ones who have posted angrily in this thread.. which can really only mean each of their alliances have taken advantage of the exploit and they are afraid of hurting their own.
Remember that the next time they ask you to hit subscribe or donate.
Tried to get a response from several of them on Twitter yesterday... A lot of silence. Pretty disappointing.
Strange thing is we’re not asking for punishment. Kabam isn’t going to punish anyone for this, but everyone should get the same rewards for finishing the same content.
The difference between 2015 champs and 2018 champs is staggering and kabam knows it, which is why they wanted to limit us to ranking old champs here.
Self protection mode, engaged. Imo
It speaks volumes tho. The community supports them in numerous ways, but they're mostly silent in situations like these.
Not that my opinion counts or is even heard, but I’ll leave my 2 cents.
I believe its unfair to allow these exploits and not correct them as you’ve done occasionally in the past. The ability to rank any top champ over champs that were available from 2015 is a huge advantage. Especially considering Kabam has nerfed many of those champions pre version 12. The more recent champions have greater abilities to counter the expanded content sence the inception of the game. The progress and abilities of newer champs out weights many of the previous champs capabilities. Players in the community have been temporarily banned for far less exploitable offenses and their actions have been reversed.
Ignorance is bliss. Sometimes I wish I would not come to the forums, especially when I see things like this. Until reading this post, I had no idea Kabam made another error, and then allowed people to benefit from that error. #disappointed.
the only youtuber i usualy follow is seatin, but if i dont see something from him the subscribes are done
Interesting thing is there are youtubers who haven’t even finished this yet that refuse to speak out about the rank ups even though they got screwed over too.
It’s almost like an alliance is threatening to kick you out if you speak on YouTube about this because they want to keep their 2018 rank ups for defense.
Dave and Prff made videos. Seatin most likely will. He streamed for like 8 hours yesterday. BG won't because he just doesn't care about anything.
Lack of consistency makes it hard for people to know how to play your game,
Go to dinner and someone moves you in AQ/AW? Get suspended or even banned and 29 other people are impacted by war rating adjustments. And no one will ever know who caused it.
Run a quest for rewards on each pass? Banned. Even if you didn't realize it was happening.
Knowingly use an item in the wrong way? It's cool.
Where is the consistency? There is none. And Kabam wonders why the forums are the way they are. They wonder why no one trusts them and challenges them on everything. This is a cultural issue that starts from the top down, and it's a culture of make money at all costs and hang the rest. Goodwill means nothing. Community means nothing once Comic-Con is over. Back to the usual do whatever is most profitable and the least effort.
Did no one at Kabam even test using a single gem? How hard could that have been? Click it, make sure it's restricted. If not, fix it before launch,
This release now, patch later nonsense on,y gets you in trouble.. especially when people spend hundred or thousands of real currencies to play, progress and support this game.
It's just a shame, but for nearly 4 years it's been the same. Maybe we are the fools because we accept this over and over.
It is a shame, since this is the first game of this type where i actually spent money on, other then just buy the damn game... I actually went above the "normal" support of a game, but if the treatment of the general public is not the same as the "whales" then what is the point of supporting them anyways. Might as well go back to Path of Exile at least my wallet thanks me.
Surprise is not even youtubers talk about this issue except dorky. Because they also did rank ups so decided to ignore this issue.
If they really discussed about this issue and their thoughts pls provide me the link.
Dave is the only one with the backbone to address this so far. Everyone else is keeping quiet on YouTube to avoid controversy, even ones who have posted angrily in this thread.. which can really only mean each of their alliances have taken advantage of the exploit and they are afraid of hurting their own.
Remember that the next time they ask you to hit subscribe or donate.
Tried to get a response from several of them on Twitter yesterday... A lot of silence. Pretty disappointing.
Strange thing is we’re not asking for punishment. Kabam isn’t going to punish anyone for this, but everyone should get the same rewards for finishing the same content.
The difference between 2015 champs and 2018 champs is staggering and kabam knows it, which is why they wanted to limit us to ranking old champs here.
Self protection mode, engaged. Imo
It speaks volumes tho. The community supports them in numerous ways, but they're mostly silent in situations like these.
the only youtuber i usualy follow is seatin, but if i dont see something from him the subscribes are done
Interesting thing is there are youtubers who haven’t even finished this yet that refuse to speak out about the rank ups even though they got screwed over too.
It’s almost like an alliance is threatening to kick you out if you speak on YouTube about this because they want to keep their 2018 rank ups for defense.
Dave and Prff made videos. Seatin most likely will. He streamed for like 8 hours yesterday. BG won't because he just doesn't care about anything.
Most likely doesn’t help anyone and there’s really no reason to delay anything. He’s not posting anything for the same reason others in his alliance refuse to.
80% of the people complaining about this issue don’t even have the capability to clear the content lmao
But it is end game content... so even if they don't have the ability now, doesn't mean they won't have the ability later.. Would be different if it was monthly. Now, by the time they complete it, all of the 2015 champs will be even further behind all of the new demi-god tier champs, unless they are planning on improving all of the 2015s.
Surprise is not even youtubers talk about this issue except dorky. Because they also did rank ups so decided to ignore this issue.
If they really discussed about this issue and their thoughts pls provide me the link.
Dave is the only one with the backbone to address this so far. Everyone else is keeping quiet on YouTube to avoid controversy, even ones who have posted angrily in this thread.. which can really only mean each of their alliances have taken advantage of the exploit and they are afraid of hurting their own.
Remember that the next time they ask you to hit subscribe or donate.
Tried to get a response from several of them on Twitter yesterday... A lot of silence. Pretty disappointing.
Strange thing is we’re not asking for punishment. Kabam isn’t going to punish anyone for this, but everyone should get the same rewards for finishing the same content.
The difference between 2015 champs and 2018 champs is staggering and kabam knows it, which is why they wanted to limit us to ranking old champs here.
Self protection mode, engaged. Imo
It speaks volumes tho. The community supports them in numerous ways, but they're mostly silent in situations like these.
the only youtuber i usualy follow is seatin, but if i dont see something from him the subscribes are done
Interesting thing is there are youtubers who haven’t even finished this yet that refuse to speak out about the rank ups even though they got screwed over too.
It’s almost like an alliance is threatening to kick you out if you speak on YouTube about this because they want to keep their 2018 rank ups for defense.
Dave and Prff made videos. Seatin most likely will. He streamed for like 8 hours yesterday. BG won't because he just doesn't care about anything.
Most likely doesn’t help anyone and there’s really no reason to delay anything. He’s not posting anything for the same reason others in his alliance refuse to.
You do know that @ContestOfNoobs is in Omni right? That's seatin's alliance mate and probably one of the most vocal about this issue?
Surprise is not even youtubers talk about this issue except dorky. Because they also did rank ups so decided to ignore this issue.
If they really discussed about this issue and their thoughts pls provide me the link.
Dave is the only one with the backbone to address this so far. Everyone else is keeping quiet on YouTube to avoid controversy, even ones who have posted angrily in this thread.. which can really only mean each of their alliances have taken advantage of the exploit and they are afraid of hurting their own.
Remember that the next time they ask you to hit subscribe or donate.
Tried to get a response from several of them on Twitter yesterday... A lot of silence. Pretty disappointing.
Strange thing is we’re not asking for punishment. Kabam isn’t going to punish anyone for this, but everyone should get the same rewards for finishing the same content.
The difference between 2015 champs and 2018 champs is staggering and kabam knows it, which is why they wanted to limit us to ranking old champs here.
Self protection mode, engaged. Imo
It speaks volumes tho. The community supports them in numerous ways, but they're mostly silent in situations like these.
the only youtuber i usualy follow is seatin, but if i dont see something from him the subscribes are done
Interesting thing is there are youtubers who haven’t even finished this yet that refuse to speak out about the rank ups even though they got screwed over too.
It’s almost like an alliance is threatening to kick you out if you speak on YouTube about this because they want to keep their 2018 rank ups for defense.
Dave and Prff made videos. Seatin most likely will. He streamed for like 8 hours yesterday. BG won't because he just doesn't care about anything.
Most likely doesn’t help anyone and there’s really no reason to delay anything. He’s not posting anything for the same reason others in his alliance refuse to.
You do know that @ContestOfNoobs is in Omni right? That's seatin's alliance mate and probably one of the most vocal about this issue?
Yea, I’m aware. Odd to post in a forum thread so vocally yet refuse to address on YouTube.
Have they even responded to this beyond their initial statement?
In their defense, can you imagine the amount of work and time to reverse these? Then players freak out because they spent to do this. Now you are talking about refunds for units and/or money. The. They take all the content completion. This much work for the relatively few (compared to the entire MCoC population) who actually pulled this off is simply not worth it from a business standpoint.
That being said. Kabam, you really screwed up and pissed people off more once again. You’re like a freshman in college who hasn’t ever left home. Get your **** together please.
Have they even responded to this beyond their initial statement?
In their defense, can you imagine the amount of work and time to reverse these? Then players freak out because they spent to do this. Now you are talking about refunds for units and/or money. The. They take all the content completion. This much work for the relatively few (compared to the entire MCoC population) who actually pulled this off is simply not worth it from a business standpoint.
That being said. Kabam, you really screwed up and pissed people off more once again. You’re like a freshman in college who hasn’t ever left home. Get your **** together please.
They literally were able to determine how people bought mystic cores from 2 years ago when they refunded MD. It would take them like an hour to figure out who ranked up non 2015 champs and rank them down.
Have they even responded to this beyond their initial statement?
In their defense, can you imagine the amount of work and time to reverse these? Then players freak out because they spent to do this. Now you are talking about refunds for units and/or money. The. They take all the content completion. This much work for the relatively few (compared to the entire MCoC population) who actually pulled this off is simply not worth it from a business standpoint.
That being said. Kabam, you really screwed up and pissed people off more once again. You’re like a freshman in college who hasn’t ever left home. Get your **** together please.
Really don’t care about who spent to finish faster in order to get rank up gems that they knew were broken. 2015 rank up gems were announced and that’s what everyone knew they were supposed to get.
Also don’t care how long it would take to reverse it, if that’s the route kabam wants to take.
In the end, everyone should get the same rewards for doing the same content.
It honeslty shouldn't be a huge project or very time consuming. And it has nothing to do with what was spent.
In the past, they've been able to do much more complex things, as the others have pointed out.
There's precedent for every bit of this. From the decision to the fix. All very straightforward.
Surprise is not even youtubers talk about this issue except dorky. Because they also did rank ups so decided to ignore this issue.
If they really discussed about this issue and their thoughts pls provide me the link.
Dave is the only one with the backbone to address this so far. Everyone else is keeping quiet on YouTube to avoid controversy, even ones who have posted angrily in this thread.. which can really only mean each of their alliances have taken advantage of the exploit and they are afraid of hurting their own.
Remember that the next time they ask you to hit subscribe or donate.
I already unsubscribe all those youtubers except dorky dave. If this issue is not resolved properly then I am definately quiting this game. This is not the first time this kind of decisions taken. I dont want to spend time in forums just to make game fair.
What about those players that finished it but didn’t use the rank up gems as they saw it was bugged. You know, in the spirit of the game they chose not to exploit it.
Instead they must be shaking their heads in disbelief and only encourages players to take advantage of any loophole they find.
Because now the precedent has been set, just try banning players for an exploit in the future and see what the community thinks.
Where are kabams mod at ? I wanna hear what they have to say after so many complains , ppl is not happy with this unfair treatment and they should fix it .
Gross injustice to allow the unintended rank ups to stand. Extremely unfair. Resets have been done in past over issues such as this to maintain fairness. I guess Kabam is worried theyd have to return items spent as well, but they should not have to ... as everyone shouldve realized the restriction and not spent to abuse a glitch ... if they did so. Hopefully my Alliance will never hv to face these illegally ranked up champs.
Well the solution is easy, just rank down the champs that these people ranked and give them the intended gem.
For people saying they have no way of determining which gem is from variant and which gem is from act v, they can easily rank down all 4 (considering every gem was used, 3+1) champs and return the act v 3-4 gem for any champ and give 3 2015 rank up gems.
Simple. Even if 1 person got to rank up the new champs, then also it is a violation of TOS, please reverse the rank ups, and set precedents for punishment.
First post after almost 4 years playing the game.
Funny how the reaction from the community started with kabam's response and not with the bug itself.
This shows bugs can be expected and accepted to a certain extent. Even this lack of quality control can be handled by consumers.
What's not accepted and won't be forgotten is having no consideration or respect for your client base. This is a basic free tip on how to do business that I'll leave here for Kabam. I wonder how many people here will ever consider using your products after being done with this game. Can't even remember a brand being surrounded with so much toxicity within their own community.
And all this for what? Laziness on fixing this properly? Not wanting to spend/pay some programmer's hours fixing this?
You didn't even botter explaining your thoughts on why your current "fix" was enough... on why this exploit wouldn't have a significant impact... that simple explanation would maybe suffice.
This exploit is huge in terms of competitiveness and completely takes out the drive to continue to spend and grind on this game.
Worst, your positioning encourages cheating and shows that you don't have consistency regarding these matters.
This should've been a no brainer really...
I'd like to suggest to all that in order to let kabam know the extent of how unfair this is to not purchase the Black Friday, cyber Monday, Christmas deals until this issue is fairly corrected.
This a problem either allow the gems to rank up ANY CHAMP FOR EVERYBODY, OR REVERSE THE RANKS UPS FOR PEOPLE WHO'VE USED THEM ALREADY!!!! Fix it for everyone or no one!!! #EVEN_Playing_Field_MCOC
Funny how a Kabam employee hasn’t even responded to hits thread. They have no idea what to say. Thnaks Kabam for making the strong stronger and the middle class feel less worthy
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Interesting thing is there are youtubers who haven’t even finished this yet that refuse to speak out about the rank ups even though they got screwed over too.
It’s almost like an alliance is threatening to kick you out if you speak on YouTube about this because they want to keep their 2018 rank ups for defense.
Self protection mode, engaged. Imo
It speaks volumes tho. The community supports them in numerous ways, but they're mostly silent in situations like these.
I believe its unfair to allow these exploits and not correct them as you’ve done occasionally in the past. The ability to rank any top champ over champs that were available from 2015 is a huge advantage. Especially considering Kabam has nerfed many of those champions pre version 12. The more recent champions have greater abilities to counter the expanded content sence the inception of the game. The progress and abilities of newer champs out weights many of the previous champs capabilities. Players in the community have been temporarily banned for far less exploitable offenses and their actions have been reversed.
Why is this any different?
Dave and Prff made videos. Seatin most likely will. He streamed for like 8 hours yesterday. BG won't because he just doesn't care about anything.
Go to dinner and someone moves you in AQ/AW? Get suspended or even banned and 29 other people are impacted by war rating adjustments. And no one will ever know who caused it.
Run a quest for rewards on each pass? Banned. Even if you didn't realize it was happening.
Knowingly use an item in the wrong way? It's cool.
Where is the consistency? There is none. And Kabam wonders why the forums are the way they are. They wonder why no one trusts them and challenges them on everything. This is a cultural issue that starts from the top down, and it's a culture of make money at all costs and hang the rest. Goodwill means nothing. Community means nothing once Comic-Con is over. Back to the usual do whatever is most profitable and the least effort.
Did no one at Kabam even test using a single gem? How hard could that have been? Click it, make sure it's restricted. If not, fix it before launch,
This release now, patch later nonsense on,y gets you in trouble.. especially when people spend hundred or thousands of real currencies to play, progress and support this game.
It's just a shame, but for nearly 4 years it's been the same. Maybe we are the fools because we accept this over and over.
Cowards/opportunists
Most likely doesn’t help anyone and there’s really no reason to delay anything. He’s not posting anything for the same reason others in his alliance refuse to.
But it is end game content... so even if they don't have the ability now, doesn't mean they won't have the ability later.. Would be different if it was monthly. Now, by the time they complete it, all of the 2015 champs will be even further behind all of the new demi-god tier champs, unless they are planning on improving all of the 2015s.
You do know that @ContestOfNoobs is in Omni right? That's seatin's alliance mate and probably one of the most vocal about this issue?
Yea, I’m aware. Odd to post in a forum thread so vocally yet refuse to address on YouTube.
In their defense, can you imagine the amount of work and time to reverse these? Then players freak out because they spent to do this. Now you are talking about refunds for units and/or money. The. They take all the content completion. This much work for the relatively few (compared to the entire MCoC population) who actually pulled this off is simply not worth it from a business standpoint.
That being said. Kabam, you really screwed up and pissed people off more once again. You’re like a freshman in college who hasn’t ever left home. Get your **** together please.
They literally were able to determine how people bought mystic cores from 2 years ago when they refunded MD. It would take them like an hour to figure out who ranked up non 2015 champs and rank them down.
Really don’t care about who spent to finish faster in order to get rank up gems that they knew were broken. 2015 rank up gems were announced and that’s what everyone knew they were supposed to get.
Also don’t care how long it would take to reverse it, if that’s the route kabam wants to take.
In the end, everyone should get the same rewards for doing the same content.
In the past, they've been able to do much more complex things, as the others have pointed out.
There's precedent for every bit of this. From the decision to the fix. All very straightforward.
I already unsubscribe all those youtubers except dorky dave. If this issue is not resolved properly then I am definately quiting this game. This is not the first time this kind of decisions taken. I dont want to spend time in forums just to make game fair.
Common occurrence on here during bad times.
And a bad sign tbh
Instead they must be shaking their heads in disbelief and only encourages players to take advantage of any loophole they find.
Because now the precedent has been set, just try banning players for an exploit in the future and see what the community thinks.
What can they say? Someone over their head literally just didn’t want to work this weekend and made the call.
Nothing they can say until that person gets to the office tomorrow and decides if he still wants to punish paying customers for kabam’s mistake.
For people saying they have no way of determining which gem is from variant and which gem is from act v, they can easily rank down all 4 (considering every gem was used, 3+1) champs and return the act v 3-4 gem for any champ and give 3 2015 rank up gems.
Simple. Even if 1 person got to rank up the new champs, then also it is a violation of TOS, please reverse the rank ups, and set precedents for punishment.
Funny how the reaction from the community started with kabam's response and not with the bug itself.
This shows bugs can be expected and accepted to a certain extent. Even this lack of quality control can be handled by consumers.
What's not accepted and won't be forgotten is having no consideration or respect for your client base. This is a basic free tip on how to do business that I'll leave here for Kabam. I wonder how many people here will ever consider using your products after being done with this game. Can't even remember a brand being surrounded with so much toxicity within their own community.
And all this for what? Laziness on fixing this properly? Not wanting to spend/pay some programmer's hours fixing this?
You didn't even botter explaining your thoughts on why your current "fix" was enough... on why this exploit wouldn't have a significant impact... that simple explanation would maybe suffice.
This exploit is huge in terms of competitiveness and completely takes out the drive to continue to spend and grind on this game.
Worst, your positioning encourages cheating and shows that you don't have consistency regarding these matters.
This should've been a no brainer really...
I disagree with his points, but worth listening to.
Worth listening to in the sense that actually hearing someone support this garbage outloud confirms how indefensible it actually is.