Witness the Great Revival! Act 6 Chapter 1 - Coming March 13th

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  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★

    xNig said:


    Do you think ability accuracy reduction like GP and AA will work on Buffed Up?

    I haven't heard of ability accuracy reduction negating buffed up. If it can I think Archangel would be best option, Gwenpool's AAR only affects defensive abilities.
    Got an ally mate to test it for me.. doesn’t work. 😂😂

    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    xNig said:


    Do you think ability accuracy reduction like GP and AA will work on Buffed Up?

    I haven't heard of ability accuracy reduction negating buffed up. If it can I think Archangel would be best option, Gwenpool's AAR only affects defensive abilities.
    Got an ally mate to test it for me.. doesn’t work. 😂😂

    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.
    What are the nodes and their effects? I can try to brainstorm with you.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★
    edited March 2019
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:


    Do you think ability accuracy reduction like GP and AA will work on Buffed Up?

    I haven't heard of ability accuracy reduction negating buffed up. If it can I think Archangel would be best option, Gwenpool's AAR only affects defensive abilities.
    Got an ally mate to test it for me.. doesn’t work. 😂😂

    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.
    What are the nodes and their effects? I can try to brainstorm with you.
    Caustic Temper - 50% Chance to Inflict Poison Damage when Struck. Additionally, defender takes 90% less damage if the attacker does not have a fury buff.

    Oh. It also has Split Atom where every class except Science deals 50% less damage.
  • DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,787 ★★★★★
    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
  • Midknight007Midknight007 Posts: 669 ★★★
    MikeHock said:

    MikeHock said:

    MikeHock said:

    MikeHock said:

    I can give real examples of how 4* restrictions will cause me to suffer, since the node list has been published on reddit:
    -Biohazard, Safeguard gwenpool. My 4* iceman would melt her, but now I gotta resort to using a r2 5* nebula, my only double immune 5* (yes I know this is possible with a bleed immune but I don’t wanna throw units at it with no retreat and safeguard up)
    - Aggression Regeneration Omega red- usually my 4* vision would have this no problem, as spores stack up on him slowly. No retreat means I can’t completely avoid spore damage, so I will be throwing units at this one.
    - Tenacity killmonger- this killmonger has a 70% chance to shrug debuffs, and when he does, he regens 4% health. However, this only works when his armour is active, and this would be no problem to deal with if not for no retreat. So I gotta use my 4* medusa right? Nope.

    Other examples where I luckily have the specific counter:
    -evading moon knight, I have a 5*r4 archangel
    -fire of hades Mephisto, I have a 5*r4 quake
    - sabertooth boss, again I have archangel, but anyone without a good high level heal block champ as a 5* will struggle

    This is why people are complaining about the lack of 4*s. Im sure there are other examples I missed, and a lot of people will have to spend a lot more units or grind a lot more arena/buy fgmcs to get past these fights, when a 4* could have just been used. And this list is just 6.1.1, forget the rest of the chapter (I’m looking at those ultron and sentinel bosses that 4* Medusa probably could of shut down).

    Here is the thing about your post, while you have a 4* counter for each of these that are “God Tier” and more preferred, there are tons of other champs that could counter every one of the champs you listed.

    One thing is you only have Nebula at R2, that was your choice to keep her at R2. While Kabam did not give advance warning of the 4* restriction, it was obvious with the release of 6* that 4*’s were the new 3*’s. You relied on 4*’s due to personal choice, as it didn’t require arena grinding for 5* shards.

    There are many like me that spent the last year bringing 5*’s and focused on ranking 5*’s. The writing was on the wall that 4* days were numbered in AW and for the game. My only concerns are the 6* gates. They have not been out long enough to even consider a gate of that magnitude.

    I already finished completion of 6.1 (not exploration) with my 5* roster of Blade, Spark, Magik, Omega Red and Corvus. In fact, Corvus was my main character despite not being a great counter for most of the nodes. The only issue I will have is not being able to 100% with my current roster. So, I will have to wait.

    Most of the complaints on 4* bans are from people who are extremely impatient. They want to clear everything the day it is released. Like LOL and Variant, not everything is meant to be cleared immediately. Kabam has been stating that. Sure, you can still attempt it, but it will cost you money. That is a personal choice. Most people have enough champs to do 1 run of chapter 1. 100% will take a very diverse roster. Now you know to focus on 5* ranking (which you should have been for the past year).

    You simply were ranking on current content and not paying attention to how the game was expanding. Kabam hinted at gates and * restriction with Gwenpool Goes to the Movie. It was 100% unexpected that eventually they may do this. They want to slow down progression instead of 20-30% of the player base completing content within days and demanding more while complaining they are bored. Now they have something to challenge them and to build towards.
    “Most of the complaints on 4* bans are from people who are extremely impatient.”

    Oh really? What a ridiculous blanket statement. I am not going to pretend to speak for others , but I just want to use the heroes I’ve earned.
    You can call it ridiculous, but it is a true statement... And you are not guaranteed to use any specific champ on all content. If the restriction was on existing content your moaning would be more valid. People complained on restrictions on 5* arenas when they first released.

    This is new content with a new focus. It is intended (like Variant) to use other champs outside of your coveted “god tier” or wait until you have said champs. Don’t blame me because your are either impatient or unskilled to use other champs that are less coveted but can do the job.

    Most of the global nodes can be beat with adjusting play style. Even Korg can be beat with Original BP. Yes, there are specific champs that make content easier, but Kabam has been trying to challenge players (especially end game). They have stated they wanted people to use a more diverse roster instead of relying on a coveted few.

    It was the reason they added diversity in AW, added global nodes like bleed immune... you thought that was only for AW? It was regarding the Contest as a whole. Based on their announcement, Chapter 6 is the end of this specific story mode, and they are using the ante and trying to make it last and be a challenge.

    And just because you earned something doesn’t mean you can use it whenever and where ever you want. Kabam has made it clear, and frankly their intent on restrictions has been event if you read the release notes of content and adjustments to AW or the past year.

    Anyway, cheers and enjoy.
    “You can call it ridiculous, but it is a true statement..”

    Get back to me when you have evidence to back up such a ridiculous claim .

    Regards.
    The evidence is the countless videos from Seatin, Richtheman and Prof Hoff... comments of this thread on how people cannot complete the content without paying because they cannot use their 4*...

    The issue is the have to wait on the luck of RNG to have a team they feel comfortable with. The evidence is astounding. As Kabam Miike stated, “the content is permanent, so if you can’t attempt it now it will be there when you are ready.”

    That answer isn’t good enough for the vast majority of those complaining, as they want to clear it now and with their 4*’s. :)

    Sorry, mate!
    Lol, thanks for demonstrating that you don't know what evidence is. You seem like a decent fellow, but your OG statement is nothing but conjecture.
    That is your opinion. Keep only accepting facts that meet your perception-bias. You obviously haven’t read all the posts saying that their synergies require 4* or that they have a specific counter that is a 4*.

    The alternative is to wait and keep playing until they get the 5*. That my friend is the evidence. Their complaints are not have immediate access with their pre-existing 4*. Which is exercising their impatience on wait.

    Even if it is to make the Act cheaper on units... it is called being patient. Demanding or complaining about the 4* gate comes from a position of the instant gratification culture of entitlement. Being F2P does not entitle you access to content. Otherwise, why do we have gates that require levels of your account?

    Kabam stated years ago that they made no plans of raising to level 70 (or releasing more mastery points). This limits them as to how they can gate content to force player to wait. You are unwilling to accept these facts because it is against your position (is perception-bias).

    Realize, that I don’t have all the 5* God Champs to make Act 6 easier as well. The only difference is I accept the challenges Kabam presented.
    “Most of the complaints on 4* bans are from people who are extremely impatient.”

    Is not a fact, but you’re free to believe it is and imagine whatever you want about me.

    Ramble on...
    You obviously have difficulty with the word “most”... you called it a blanket statement which implies that most means all. Sorry, buddy... you are still wrong. The fact remains that MOST, not all, people complaining are impatient and view that they need to have God Tier 5* or synergies in order to complete Act 6 one time.

    “Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.”

    Saying that they cannot complete without the luck of RNG for X champion or Y Champion shows a lack of patience and wanting to complete it now with a 4* alternative to the champ in question.

    Meanwhile, several players have attempted without the most optimism synergies or GoD Tier and commented how the Chapter isn’t as hard as they thought it might be based on the general complaints.
  • Midknight007Midknight007 Posts: 669 ★★★
    MikeHock said:

    MikeHock said:

    MikeHock said:

    MikeHock said:

    I can give real examples of how 4* restrictions will cause me to suffer, since the node list has been published on reddit:
    -Biohazard, Safeguard gwenpool. My 4* iceman would melt her, but now I gotta resort to using a r2 5* nebula, my only double immune 5* (yes I know this is possible with a bleed immune but I don’t wanna throw units at it with no retreat and safeguard up)
    - Aggression Regeneration Omega red- usually my 4* vision would have this no problem, as spores stack up on him slowly. No retreat means I can’t completely avoid spore damage, so I will be throwing units at this one.
    - Tenacity killmonger- this killmonger has a 70% chance to shrug debuffs, and when he does, he regens 4% health. However, this only works when his armour is active, and this would be no problem to deal with if not for no retreat. So I gotta use my 4* medusa right? Nope.

    Other examples where I luckily have the specific counter:
    -evading moon knight, I have a 5*r4 archangel
    -fire of hades Mephisto, I have a 5*r4 quake
    - sabertooth boss, again I have archangel, but anyone without a good high level heal block champ as a 5* will struggle

    This is why people are complaining about the lack of 4*s. Im sure there are other examples I missed, and a lot of people will have to spend a lot more units or grind a lot more arena/buy fgmcs to get past these fights, when a 4* could have just been used. And this list is just 6.1.1, forget the rest of the chapter (I’m looking at those ultron and sentinel bosses that 4* Medusa probably could of shut down).

    Here is the thing about your post, while you have a 4* counter for each of these that are “God Tier” and more preferred, there are tons of other champs that could counter every one of the champs you listed.

    One thing is you only have Nebula at R2, that was your choice to keep her at R2. While Kabam did not give advance warning of the 4* restriction, it was obvious with the release of 6* that 4*’s were the new 3*’s. You relied on 4*’s due to personal choice, as it didn’t require arena grinding for 5* shards.

    There are many like me that spent the last year bringing 5*’s and focused on ranking 5*’s. The writing was on the wall that 4* days were numbered in AW and for the game. My only concerns are the 6* gates. They have not been out long enough to even consider a gate of that magnitude.

    I already finished completion of 6.1 (not exploration) with my 5* roster of Blade, Spark, Magik, Omega Red and Corvus. In fact, Corvus was my main character despite not being a great counter for most of the nodes. The only issue I will have is not being able to 100% with my current roster. So, I will have to wait.

    Most of the complaints on 4* bans are from people who are extremely impatient. They want to clear everything the day it is released. Like LOL and Variant, not everything is meant to be cleared immediately. Kabam has been stating that. Sure, you can still attempt it, but it will cost you money. That is a personal choice. Most people have enough champs to do 1 run of chapter 1. 100% will take a very diverse roster. Now you know to focus on 5* ranking (which you should have been for the past year).

    You simply were ranking on current content and not paying attention to how the game was expanding. Kabam hinted at gates and * restriction with Gwenpool Goes to the Movie. It was 100% unexpected that eventually they may do this. They want to slow down progression instead of 20-30% of the player base completing content within days and demanding more while complaining they are bored. Now they have something to challenge them and to build towards.
    “Most of the complaints on 4* bans are from people who are extremely impatient.”

    Oh really? What a ridiculous blanket statement. I am not going to pretend to speak for others , but I just want to use the heroes I’ve earned.
    You can call it ridiculous, but it is a true statement... And you are not guaranteed to use any specific champ on all content. If the restriction was on existing content your moaning would be more valid. People complained on restrictions on 5* arenas when they first released.

    This is new content with a new focus. It is intended (like Variant) to use other champs outside of your coveted “god tier” or wait until you have said champs. Don’t blame me because your are either impatient or unskilled to use other champs that are less coveted but can do the job.

    Most of the global nodes can be beat with adjusting play style. Even Korg can be beat with Original BP. Yes, there are specific champs that make content easier, but Kabam has been trying to challenge players (especially end game). They have stated they wanted people to use a more diverse roster instead of relying on a coveted few.

    It was the reason they added diversity in AW, added global nodes like bleed immune... you thought that was only for AW? It was regarding the Contest as a whole. Based on their announcement, Chapter 6 is the end of this specific story mode, and they are using the ante and trying to make it last and be a challenge.

    And just because you earned something doesn’t mean you can use it whenever and where ever you want. Kabam has made it clear, and frankly their intent on restrictions has been event if you read the release notes of content and adjustments to AW or the past year.

    Anyway, cheers and enjoy.
    “You can call it ridiculous, but it is a true statement..”

    Get back to me when you have evidence to back up such a ridiculous claim .

    Regards.
    The evidence is the countless videos from Seatin, Richtheman and Prof Hoff... comments of this thread on how people cannot complete the content without paying because they cannot use their 4*...

    The issue is the have to wait on the luck of RNG to have a team they feel comfortable with. The evidence is astounding. As Kabam Miike stated, “the content is permanent, so if you can’t attempt it now it will be there when you are ready.”

    That answer isn’t good enough for the vast majority of those complaining, as they want to clear it now and with their 4*’s. :)

    Sorry, mate!
    Lol, thanks for demonstrating that you don't know what evidence is. You seem like a decent fellow, but your OG statement is nothing but conjecture.
    That is your opinion. Keep only accepting facts that meet your perception-bias. You obviously haven’t read all the posts saying that their synergies require 4* or that they have a specific counter that is a 4*.

    The alternative is to wait and keep playing until they get the 5*. That my friend is the evidence. Their complaints are not have immediate access with their pre-existing 4*. Which is exercising their impatience on wait.

    Even if it is to make the Act cheaper on units... it is called being patient. Demanding or complaining about the 4* gate comes from a position of the instant gratification culture of entitlement. Being F2P does not entitle you access to content. Otherwise, why do we have gates that require levels of your account?

    Kabam stated years ago that they made no plans of raising to level 70 (or releasing more mastery points). This limits them as to how they can gate content to force player to wait. You are unwilling to accept these facts because it is against your position (is perception-bias).

    Realize, that I don’t have all the 5* God Champs to make Act 6 easier as well. The only difference is I accept the challenges Kabam presented.
    “Most of the complaints on 4* bans are from people who are extremely impatient.”

    Is not a fact, but you’re free to believe it is and imagine whatever you want about me.

    Ramble on...

    And I want to focus on something you said in this:
    “Is not a fact, but you’re free to believe it is and imagine whatever you want about me.”

    I never said you personally were impatient... My comment was about most, not all... so why do you think that most included you? It would almost appear as a guilty conscience.
  • DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,787 ★★★★★
    xNig said:


    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?

    Yes, hadn't heard of Doctor Strange caustic temper fights. Hyperion Medusa Ghost for that one, Omega Red at r5 max sig would probably work too.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★

    xNig said:


    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?

    Yes, hadn't heard of Doctor Strange caustic temper fights. Hyperion Medusa Ghost for that one, Omega Red at r5 max sig would probably work too.
    That’s one of the nastier fights according to my ally mates who have already 100% it. Together with Split Atom (and since Cosmic is the most common class to meet the criteria), most champs deal like 30% to 50% of their base damage against him.

    OR generates buffs? I don’t have him so not very sure of his mechanics as an attacker.
  • axelelf_1axelelf_1 Posts: 775 ★★★
    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:


    Do you think ability accuracy reduction like GP and AA will work on Buffed Up?

    I haven't heard of ability accuracy reduction negating buffed up. If it can I think Archangel would be best option, Gwenpool's AAR only affects defensive abilities.
    Got an ally mate to test it for me.. doesn’t work. 😂😂

    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.
    What are the nodes and their effects? I can try to brainstorm with you.
    Caustic Temper - 50% Chance to Inflict Poison Damage when Struck. Additionally, defender takes 90% less damage if the attacker does not have a fury buff.

    Oh. It also has Split Atom where every class except Science deals 50% less damage.
    This node node sounds like it was designed for she hulk.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★
    axelelf_1 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:


    Do you think ability accuracy reduction like GP and AA will work on Buffed Up?

    I haven't heard of ability accuracy reduction negating buffed up. If it can I think Archangel would be best option, Gwenpool's AAR only affects defensive abilities.
    Got an ally mate to test it for me.. doesn’t work. 😂😂

    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.
    What are the nodes and their effects? I can try to brainstorm with you.
    Caustic Temper - 50% Chance to Inflict Poison Damage when Struck. Additionally, defender takes 90% less damage if the attacker does not have a fury buff.

    Oh. It also has Split Atom where every class except Science deals 50% less damage.
    This node node sounds like it was designed for she hulk.
    .... She Hulk’s furies are passive bro
  • BENJI830BENJI830 Posts: 56
    Hard to believe developers can be this tone deaf. This is a game, playable for enjoyment. And yes, Kabam should make a profit. But, don’t kill off the player base with moves so self-serving and one-sided. Yuck.
  • axelelf_1axelelf_1 Posts: 775 ★★★
    xNig said:

    axelelf_1 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:


    Do you think ability accuracy reduction like GP and AA will work on Buffed Up?

    I haven't heard of ability accuracy reduction negating buffed up. If it can I think Archangel would be best option, Gwenpool's AAR only affects defensive abilities.
    Got an ally mate to test it for me.. doesn’t work. 😂😂

    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.
    What are the nodes and their effects? I can try to brainstorm with you.
    Caustic Temper - 50% Chance to Inflict Poison Damage when Struck. Additionally, defender takes 90% less damage if the attacker does not have a fury buff.

    Oh. It also has Split Atom where every class except Science deals 50% less damage.
    This node node sounds like it was designed for she hulk.
    .... She Hulk’s furies are passive bro
    Oh, how stupid of me
  • DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,787 ★★★★★
    xNig said:


    OR generates buffs? I don’t have him so not very sure of his mechanics as an attacker.

    No, at r5 max sig 10% of his degeneration is enough to solo Map 7 caustic temper fights
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★

    xNig said:


    OR generates buffs? I don’t have him so not very sure of his mechanics as an attacker.

    No, at r5 max sig 10% of his degeneration is enough to solo Map 7 caustic temper fights
    Ah makes sense. So it’s just brute forcing through the node, which arguably can be done with a lot of since it’s 90% less damage (not 100% like Buffed Up). It does make it a hell of an irritating fight though.
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    Yeah, yikes. This may be a bit of a bad counter, but there’s no real good counter. I know he’s a little newer but could try Ægon. He can shrug off poison, although split atom will still suck. DS’ Counterspell typically takes a second or two to kick in, so you could potentially either get a combo off before it triggers (assuming he has 300 hits) or he could do an enhanced heavy attack mid combo, hopefully getting hit to trigger fury, and then finish the heavy or chain into an L2. Option 1 seems much safer.
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    Yeah, yikes. This may be a bit of a bad counter, but there’s no real good counter. I know he’s a little newer but could try Ægon. He can shrug off poison, although split atom will still suck. DS’ Counterspell typically takes a second or two to kick in, so you could potentially either get a combo off before it triggers (assuming he has 300 hits) or he could do an enhanced heavy attack mid combo, hopefully getting hit to trigger fury, and then finish the heavy or chain into an L2. Option 1 seems much safer.
    Haha. Doesn’t matter. Thank god it didn’t make it live else I could hear phones smashing all around the world lol
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    Yeah, yikes. This may be a bit of a bad counter, but there’s no real good counter. I know he’s a little newer but could try Ægon. He can shrug off poison, although split atom will still suck. DS’ Counterspell typically takes a second or two to kick in, so you could potentially either get a combo off before it triggers (assuming he has 300 hits) or he could do an enhanced heavy attack mid combo, hopefully getting hit to trigger fury, and then finish the heavy or chain into an L2. Option 1 seems much safer.
    Haha. Doesn’t matter. Thank god it didn’t make it live else I could hear phones smashing all around the world lol
    I was trying to think of another counter for the live fight. DS is still live right?
  • xNigxNig Posts: 4,207 ★★★★★
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    Yeah, yikes. This may be a bit of a bad counter, but there’s no real good counter. I know he’s a little newer but could try Ægon. He can shrug off poison, although split atom will still suck. DS’ Counterspell typically takes a second or two to kick in, so you could potentially either get a combo off before it triggers (assuming he has 300 hits) or he could do an enhanced heavy attack mid combo, hopefully getting hit to trigger fury, and then finish the heavy or chain into an L2. Option 1 seems much safer.
    Haha. Doesn’t matter. Thank god it didn’t make it live else I could hear phones smashing all around the world lol
    I was trying to think of another counter for the live fight. DS is still live right?
    Oh. Different DS. The one you’re talking about is the one on Caustic Temper + Split Atom.
  • V1PER1987V1PER1987 Posts: 3,474 ★★★★★
    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    V1PER1987 said:

    xNig said:

    xNig said:



    Any advice and tips on Caustic Temper besides Hulk? The main pain in the butt is DS.

    Poison immunity with Heimdall & Angela/Hela synergy for permanent fury
    DS will be able to counterspell it, no?
    Well if DS is on that path then there is literally no counter to all the parts of that fight. You can try and use duped Angela and I think Hela has a synergy to help prevent buffs from being nullified but they’ll be poisoned. Using Hulk or Abom as mentioned can get their buffs nullified. You can try and use an AAR champ like CB but once again DS can nullify his buffs. You can use a non science, poison immune, buff generating champ like Hype or Medusa but again, Counterspell, not to mention split atom and class disadvantage. Just sounds like an impossible fight to counter unless you can maybe shut off his Counterspell. Maybe a champ in the future will be released that’s designed to counter that fight.
    Yeah I agree. But it’s a lot more manageable than it was initially. In the beta, DS can also be found on the Buffed Up path, together with Shatter. I tried all combinations to get him down but the max I got him to was 90%. Lol (I don’t have a Thing).
    Seems like She Hulk and Thing would be perfect counters, if only their furies weren’t passive. Although I guess technically She Hulk would still be subject to Counterspell. Shatter sounds like a nightmare.
    Yeah. I tried duped Angela. The moment her buffs came up you lost like 1/3 life.

    Tried OML, the moment you go berserk you will die.. so....

    Thank god that fight was removed.
    Yeah, yikes. This may be a bit of a bad counter, but there’s no real good counter. I know he’s a little newer but could try Ægon. He can shrug off poison, although split atom will still suck. DS’ Counterspell typically takes a second or two to kick in, so you could potentially either get a combo off before it triggers (assuming he has 300 hits) or he could do an enhanced heavy attack mid combo, hopefully getting hit to trigger fury, and then finish the heavy or chain into an L2. Option 1 seems much safer.
    Haha. Doesn’t matter. Thank god it didn’t make it live else I could hear phones smashing all around the world lol
    I was trying to think of another counter for the live fight. DS is still live right?
    Oh. Different DS. The one you’re talking about is the one on Caustic Temper + Split Atom.
    Yes that one. Couldn’t Ægon potentially counter? He’ll still have weakness but he may be able to do it
  • ThespusThespus Posts: 45


    Suggestions on my best options for Cb or the biohazard sentinel in 6.1.2?
  • ThespusThespus Posts: 45


    Suggestions for act 6? Who could handle the Cb fight?
  • ThespusThespus Posts: 45
    I 100 percent completed act 5 a year ago and I’ve been super patient waiting over a year with both hard work and spending and yet I don’t see strong options in my massive roster without getting to round out my roster with a few god tier 5*s. My “patience” has worn thin. Idiots who think the 4* ban doesn’t matter basically belittle the amount of work many of us did to build our rosters. Hope that kabam foxes this soon or I swear I’m walking and kabam loses at least a grand a year just from losing me....
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 21,645 ★★★★★
    I don't believe anyone made the argument that it doesn't matter. At least not that I've read. I think the main argument is that there is a very important reason for it. Naturally, it matters to people who have to make an effort to adapt to it, but that is really not different than any other new challenge that comes where people aren't immediately prepared.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 9,913 Guardian
    Thespus said:

    I 100 percent completed act 5 a year ago and I’ve been super patient waiting over a year with both hard work and spending and yet I don’t see strong options in my massive roster without getting to round out my roster with a few god tier 5*s. My “patience” has worn thin. Idiots who think the 4* ban doesn’t matter basically belittle the amount of work many of us did to build our rosters. Hope that kabam foxes this soon or I swear I’m walking and kabam loses at least a grand a year just from losing me....

    This would seem to significantly devalue any attempt to roster strategize.
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