Corvus Glave & Ebony Maw is a problem

WardenZero

I don’t believe any one champ should be made as a complete counter to any other champ. Now, I admit I have a CG so there’s a little bit of bias, but no champ, no matter how powerful, should be completely immune to another. It would be a lot better if EM simply, for instance, changed crits to normal hits. Or he could have a miss percentage for guaranteed crits instead of 100% miss. Either option would still leave him fairly powerful, while not affecting the balance of the game. The first option might even make him more powerful. But as it is, he ignores CG entirely and I feel this affects his balance and neutralizes Corvus to far too great an extent in game.

GroundedWisdom

First of all, one Champ that balances another is not detrimental to the entire game. It's actually the entire basis of the game. Some Champs counter others, and no Champ will dominate everything. Which brings me to my second point. We can't rely on the same God Tier Champs and expect them to work for everything that comes.

Solrac_2

Warden, agree with you 100%. It's one thing to bring proper balance (and your suggestions have much merit) and another to completely neuter a champ.

GroundedWisdom

Having one Champ among a hundred and some does not neuter a Champ. It's a counter. This game will never contain Champs that dominate everything indefinitely.

Solrac_2

No one is saying that one champ should dominate everything indefinitely. You into straw man arguments much? Do you even have a Corvus, because if you did you would know he doesn't dominate every phase of this game.

Introducing a champ that 100% negates a specific champ (regardless of said champ) is not proper balance. The Ebony Maw suggestions by the OP would be more balanced.

GroundedWisdom

The entire game is built on checks and balances. There are some Champs that others are less effective against, and yes. Corvus dominates pretty much everything. Not every part of the game, but there's a reason there are scores of him Ranked. He's a counter to him, and that IS proper balance.

B_Dizzle_01

I agree that cha ps need balance. Domino was a response to blade. But also making it so a champ absolutely cannot kill another no matter how much skill you have isn’t a balance.

WardenZero

Well, Corvus, and this is coming from someone who uses him as a primary attacker on my team, is a very strong champ. But in no way does he dominate the game. There are quite a few ways to defeat him without using a champ that he just can’t hit.

Solrac_2

Again, no one is against PROPER checks and balances. Having counters to Corvus is fine but no one should 100% negate another champ. That isn't balance at all.

danielmath

i actually much prefer the 100% miss vs a 20% or a 50% miss, i like certainty. If it was a 20% chance to miss you'd still treat it as if it was 100% so it doesn't matter too much. I really like that kabam is trying to create champs/quests that force us to bring other champs (i.e. no ghost/corvus in variant 2).

Hammerbro_64

Alright so let me get this strait. Some of you are saying ONE champ is making two champs bad against him? And it’s making those two worthless?

It’s kabam trying to get people to take people besides CG and Ghost to AW.

Better remove Agent Venom from the game since Void is basically unplayable against him 0.o

B_Dizzle_01

Hammerbro_64 said:

Alright so let me get this strait. Some of you are saying ONE champ is making two champs bad against him? And it’s making those two worthless?

It’s kabam trying to get people to take people besides CG and Ghost to AW.

Better remove Agent Venom from the game since Void is basically unplayable against him 0.o

But in that example only voids debuffs don’t stick. Void can still hit AV and take him down. In the corvus vs Maw case there is no way to cause damage at all.

GroundedWisdom

Solrac_2 said:

Again, no one is against PROPER checks and balances. Having counters to Corvus is fine but no one should 100% negate another champ. That isn't balance at all.

You pretty much have no choice when people bring the same Attack Champs. Tell me, what's a proper balance if you can't inhibit them? It's exactly as I said. You can't rely on the same Champ indefinitely in this game. Eventually, something will be introduced that inhibits them. This is not a game that centers around some Champs being on top forever.

WardenZero

Hammerbro_64 said:

Better remove Agent Venom from the game since Void is basically unplayable against him 0.o

It’s true that Agent Venom counters Void. However, not only does AV counter many many other champs, but at least it’s possible to beat AV with Void. Maw, on the other hand, is a champ designed solely to make two popular champs obsolete against him.

Dshu

I don't know that I've ever done this on a forum but I actually agree with @GroundedWisdom here. There are plenty of options to beat Maw but no real defense to corvus or ghost. Adding champs with the ability to counter them 100% is the only way to encourage players to use more deverse options on their attack teams. Looking forward to see maw and some sinister defenders in aw to its not just the rank 2 5* corvus on every attack team or the ghost trinity. Aw has become very stale when you see the exact same attack teams over and over again. Its reminiscent of the strange sw PB teams from the release of aw

Djin

What is the need of having other champs in the game if only one champ can counter almost all the content?
Actually kabam is trying to balancing the game by adding counters to all 2018 god tiers like Corvus and Ghost
So far they have added Sinister(regen on critical hits) , Nick Fury(For ghost) , Ronin(For ghost) and EM(miss critical hits).

winterthur

I only have Corvus as a 3* and has yet to use him in quest at all. Reading his abilities:

When Knocked Down: Corvus’ blade is damaged if Corvus is Knocked Down by a Heavy or Special Attack, disabling Glaive’s Immunity for 3 seconds.

Corvus’ blade is damaged after he uses all of his Glaive charges, disabling Glaive’s Immunity for 50 seconds. Corvus cannot inflict Critical Hits while Glaive’s Immunity is disabled.

So, no crit hits means Maw can take damage?

Does it makes sense to take a heavy and then strike back during the cool down window?

Lovejoy72

It is nonsense. There are nodes that eat all of Corvus’s charges, champs that regen on crits, and the fact that Corvus needs Suicides, ramp up wins, and boosts to really work. Otherwise he can’t really handle end game material. I can beat domino with blade in certain situations. I can beat almost anyone with anyone. I can’t kill a 2* EM with a 6*r2 Corvus. Potentially making Corvus a complete liability in war when you don’t know who you facing.

Cliffordcan

Drooped2 said:

This actually balances the game more then unbalanced it

Corvus was and frankly still is unbalanced so is ghost
Domino is pretty unbalanced as well(I have them all)

Something needed to be done to reign them in.

Impossible matchups are not the answer to this

Cliffordcan

GroundedWisdom said:

The entire game is built on checks and balances. There are some Champs that others are less effective against, and yes. Corvus dominates pretty much everything. Not every part of the game, but there's a reason there are scores of him Ranked. He's a counter to him, and that IS proper balance.

How about you get some 6*s before jumping in every thread? Your time is better spent getting some champs

Cliffordcan

danielmath said:

i actually much prefer the 100% miss vs a 20% or a 50% miss, i like certainty. If it was a 20% chance to miss you'd still treat it as if it was 100% so it doesn't matter too much. I really like that kabam is trying to create champs/quests that force us to bring other champs (i.e. no ghost/corvus in variant 2).

You are wrong. Hard counters are stupid and will piss players off. No champ should not be able to beat any other champ automatically at the same PI. Yes, nodes/quests that make us bring other champs are great. Champs that you can’t win a fair fight because they are such a hard counter is terrible and will just make the game go downhill

GroundedWisdom

Cliffordcan said:

GroundedWisdom said:

The entire game is built on checks and balances. There are some Champs that others are less effective against, and yes. Corvus dominates pretty much everything. Not every part of the game, but there's a reason there are scores of him Ranked. He's a counter to him, and that IS proper balance.

How about you get some 6*s before jumping in every thread? Your time is better spent getting some champs

How about sticking to the Topic before jumping in with a personal remark that doesn't have anything to do with Corvus or Maw?

Cliffordcan

GroundedWisdom said:

Solrac_2 said:

Again, no one is against PROPER checks and balances. Having counters to Corvus is fine but no one should 100% negate another champ. That isn't balance at all.

You pretty much have no choice when people bring the same Attack Champs. Tell me, what's a proper balance if you can't inhibit them? It's exactly as I said. You can't rely on the same Champ indefinitely in this game. Eventually, something will be introduced that inhibits them. This is not a game that centers around some Champs being on top forever.

Inhibits is totally fine, that’s not the problem here. Impossible is BS and I don’t like seeing the game go this direction, will just lead further to P2W. Any 2 champs at the same PI should have a chance to win, this is not the case with these two champions

LeNoirFaineant

I kind of agree with both sides. On the one hand, one champ doesn't make Corvus and Ghost useless. It doesn't seem like that big a deal. On the other hand it's a little absurd to make a champ that another champ actually can't damage. difficult matchup sure. Can't damage? Not so much lol

Cliffordcan

DjinAF said:

What is the need of having other champs in the game if only one champ can counter almost all the content?
Actually kabam is trying to balancing the game by adding counters to all 2018 god tiers like Corvus and Ghost
So far they have added Sinister(regen on critical hits) , Nick Fury(For ghost) , Ronin(For ghost) and EM(miss critical hits).

A counter is fine, an auto-loss is not